Guest essay by Larry Hamlin
President Trump should dump the politically contrived and scientifically corrupt 2015 Paris climate agreement as the right decision for the U.S. and the world.
Those arguing that the U.S. should continue to support the Paris process but negotiate new and different provisions are naïve and fail to appreciate that the Paris process of political and scientific corruption disqualifies it serving as a credible vehicle for advancing legitimate future climate policy proposals.
The Paris agreement and its associated processes need to be completely abandoned and a new process created which is free of the stigma of corruption which cloaks the existing Paris agreement and proceedings.
The Paris agreement is a scheme built upon a foundation of completely inadequate science as clearly acknowledged by the UN IPCC. The Paris agreement process is driven solely by the politics of climate alarmism.
The 2001 UN IPCC AR3 report established that it is impossible to create climate models which accurately represent global climate when it concluded that “In climate research and modeling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long term prediction of future climate states is not possible.”
The most recent UN IPCC AR5 report relies upon these inadequate climate models and tries to hide this inadequacy by employing slight of hand “assessed likelihood” opinions, conjecture and speculation to improperly convey degrees of certainty of climate outcomes that are unsupported by scientifically established and mathematically derived probabilities.
The Paris agreements provisions which rely upon climate “models” that are clearly inadequate and where scientific conjecture is falsely disguised as certainty have also been unequivocally determined to be flawed and failed as documented in Congressional testimony by climate scientists before the House Science Committee in March 2017.
Climate scientist Dr. Judith presented testimony before the House Science Committee in March 2017 where she identified the fundamental flaws contained in climate models as follows:
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Dr. Curry concludes with three key points about climate model capabilities:
Climate scientist Dr. John Christy also presented testimony before the House Science Committee where he employed the scientific method to evaluate the credibility of climate model temperature projections against actual measured global temperatures. He concluded that:
Dr. Christy’s tests of climate model temperature projections against actual measured global temperatures showed the model theory failed against observed temperatures at greater than a 99% confidence level.
The testimony before the House Science Committee of Dr. Curry regarding the extensive flaws contained in climate models coupled with the testimony of Dr. Christy regarding the extraordinary failed performance of these climate models in conjunction with the UN IPCC’s own acknowledgement of it’s inability to create climate models which can faithfully represent global climate clearly dictates that using such models for establishing global climate policy actions is completely inappropriate and unjustified.
Dr. Roger Pielke, Jr. addressed climate alarmist claims that man made CO2 emissions are causing more extreme weather also in testimony provided before the House Science Committee March 2017. In his testimony Dr. Pielke concluded:
The U.S. has been extremely successful in reducing greenhouse gas and CO2 emissions from its peak levels in year 2007 driven by the remarkable energy market benefits of natural gas fracking.
EPA data shows that U.S. greenhouse gas emissions have declined through year 2015 by over 10% to levels last experienced in 1994. This reduction amounts to 763 million metrics tons of lower greenhouse gas emissions.
The newly released 2017 EIA AEO report updates US CO2 emissions through year 2016 and shows emissions declining from 2015 levels as well as continuing to decline from peak year 2007 levels with forecasts of stable CO2 emissions through year 2030 without Obama’s EPA CPP “war on coal” regulations ever being in place.
The 2017 EIA AEO report shows year 2016 US CO2 and future emissions are being achieved as a consequence of the increased use of energy market available low cost natural gas which is driving down the use of coal fuel with the further impacts of lowering CO2 emissions.
Thus energy market forces provided by fracking of natural gas are driving and controlling the reduction and future stable CO2 emission levels of the U.S. without government imposing unnecessary, costly and bureaucratically burdensome regulations on the public.
In year 2030 US CO2 emissions are forecast by EIA to be 5,210 million metric tons (without Obama’s EPA CPP) which is a reduction of 790 million metric tons and over 14% below peak year 2007 CO2 levels.
The U.S. significant reductions in greenhouse gas and CO2 emissions have been hidden from the public by the climate alarmist main stream media and climate activist scientists.
During this same period between 2007 and 2030 while the US is reducing CO2 emissions by nearly 800 million metric tons per year EIA IEO 2011 and 2016 report data shows the world’s developing nations increasing CO2 emissions by over 9,900 million metric tons per year with China and India accounting for more than 5,700 million metric tons per year of the developing nations total increase.
The massive increased CO2 emissions of the developing nations including China and India are acceptable under Obama’s 2015 Paris agreement.
NOAA has just updated its coastal sea level rise tide gauge data including actual measurements through year 2016 which continues to show no evidence of coastal sea level rise acceleration.
These measurements include tide gauge data coastal locations for 25 West Coast, Gulf Coast and East Coast states along the Pacific Ocean, Gulf of Mexico and Atlantic Ocean, 7 Pacific island groups and 6 Atlantic island groups in all comprising more than 200 measurement stations.
The longest NOAA tide gauge data coastal sea level rise measurement record is at The Battery in New York with its 160 year long data record showing a steady rate of sea level rise of about 11 inches per century.
The UN IPCC AR5 WG1 report concludes in the Summary for Policy Makers Chapter that:
NOAA tide gauge coastal sea level rise data measurements encompassing the 46 year period from 1970 through 2016 do not support and in fact clearly contradict the UN IPCC AR5 WG1 conclusion regarding supposed man made contributions to increasing rates of sea level rise since the early 1970s.
Climate scientist Dr. Judith Curry provided Congressional testimony regarding the decades long frustration of dealing with the politicalization of climate science by both the UN IPCC and Obama Administration as follows:
Dr. Curry then clearly articulated the “war on science” that has been conducted by government climate science alarmist politics during the past decades:
The voluntary commitments made thus far from the 2015 Paris agreement will costs trillions of dollars to implement and produce little in actual global temperature reductions and related impacts.
It is absurd for global nations to commit trillions of dollars on government regulated climate actions based on flawed and failed climate model projections which are the products of conjecture and speculation coupled with a corrupt political process which invented a contrived “consensus” scheme to cover up the truth of flawed climate science capabilities.
The fact that those demanding such massive expenditures have worked so hard to hide and deny the extraordinary shortcomings of global climate model simulations demonstrates that a massive global government con game is being perpetrated by the climate alarmist community upon the public.
Climate models may serve useful purposes in academic and scientific studies but they are completely unsuited for purposes of regulatory driven commitments that require the expenditures of trillions of dollars of global capital which can be utilized for much greater benefit in dealing with known massive global problems including poverty, health care and education.
President Trump needs to make the right decision for the U.S. and the world by dumping the politically and scientifically corrupt 2015 Paris agreement and moving future climate policy endeavors to what hopefully will be a new and fresh beginning free of the monumental stigma of “climate science politicalization” that has so thoroughly contaminated the present Paris agreement and associated processes.
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Since there is no man made warming we dont need the Paris agreement.
But many do need Paris. It’s been done before; “Paris is worth a mass”, in fact Paris is worth a massive transfer of funds to the new great emitters of co2 in the world; the developing nations.
http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2010/07/paris-is-worth-mass-paris-veult-une.html
Big problems. Speed humps or road blocks?
1. Ivanka Trump says there is global warming.
2. Guess who Trump has now authorised to review the Paris Stupidity?
https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=56713
Ivanka isn’t the one who will be running for re-election. Trump should be very careful of pissing off virtually everyone who voted for him by not following through on anything.
“Big problems. Speed humps or road blocks?
1. Ivanka Trump says there is global warming.
2. Guess who Trump has now authorised to review the Paris Stupidity?”
Perhaps. But the thought occurred to me that Trump may have deliberately given Ivanka this specific role in order to expose her to the solid arguments of the sceptical/realist side. In having to review the Paris deal herself, Ivanka will be obliged to listen carefully to both sides of the issue, something that’s all too easy to avoid if you aren’t directly involved in the process personally. Believers in the alarmist cause are, generally speaking, coming from an ideological viewpoint where the scientific arguments don’t carry any weight. This is precisely why the craziness is still alive and well; the real-world science is ignored. So this could, perhaps, be Trump being very clever indeed. Maybe. I mean, I HOPE that’s the case! I won’t hold my breath on it of course, but it IS a possibility at least.
Indeed, Kiwi Heretic, exposing Ivanka to both sides may well turn out to be a clever move. Even her conversion to the valid sceptical cause is a possibility. Slim, though. I believe the esteemed author of this blog saw the light some years ago! Sadly, however, AW is a rare exception having the considerable wit to recognise the pseudoscienctific hoax of climate alarmism.
Man made warming exists, but is manifested mainly in the urban sprawl and superhighway infrastructures. On a global scale these UHI effects are not significant. Most of society’s masses, however, live within the influence of these heat islands. Their “human terrariums” have indeed warmed as the cities grew. Who can blame the average urbanite for being sucked in by the authoritarian doomsayers?
Solving the UHI problem would be much more worthy of multinational attention.
Pop Pisa,
I disagree with you on one point. Whilst man may contribute to climate change by some means, to my mind it’s almost certainly not by CO2 emissions. Whilst atmospheric CO2 has risen from 280ppm to 400ppm in 100 years or so, temperatures have not followed suit.
Now, whilst we may endure a dramatic temperature rise over the next ten years or so, which would dispel the claim of a pause in GW, I can’t see there’s any evidence to support that eventuality.
What I believe should be at the forefront of our mind’s is that whilst CO2 responds predictably in a test tube and computer projections, it is all, to date, unsubstantiated hypothesis relative to the climate. There is not a single, credible, empirical study over the last 40 years that reliably demonstrates CO2 is anything but beneficial to the planet. There should be hundreds, if not thousands on which to base current eye watering expenditure, but there’s none.
Indeed, to my knowledge, the only observable study conducted to establish what effect increased CO2 has on the planet was by NASA, on their own satellite data. It concluded the planet has greened by 14% over the last 30 years of their observations.
I’m not sure what the greens want, if not that, but it seems solid, observable evidence isn’t good enough for them, even when it does support their own objective.
It’s probable that CO2 does cause warming. The problem is that the probable level of warm is so small compared to natural variability that it is impossible to pick out the influence in the climate record.
Since there is no man made warming we dont need the Paris agreement.
Sorry abt double posting. Is my phone. ‘Associated processes’
Should that not be
‘Associates press’
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It needed to be said twice anyway :0)
Absolutely true.
However the United Nations should be made defunct on a considerable number of other grounds.
The “other things” that effect us now and some are even more dangerous than AGW.
For instance: The UN Sponsored ICLEI movement http://www.iclei.org which ifiltrates local governments, government departments and schools.
Agenda 21 which looks good when you attempt to read the document, but in practice is doing the same thing as ICLEI.
As an example, take a look at this document which comes from the UN Habitat “initiative” which is associated closely with Agenda 21.
https://thedemiseofchristchurch.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/unitednations-conference-on-human-settlements_habitat1.pdf
Look especially on Page 8. The highlights are mine!
Or this exam exemplar from an Agenda 21 inspired course from my governments education page.
https://thedemiseofchristchurch.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/exemplar-3-2008-exam.pdf
Or check how the Christchurch earthquakes gave our government an excuse to build the worlds first “Sustainable” city by any means possible including forcing people out of their homes although they were undamaged or only had superficial damage.
https://thedemiseofchristchurch.com/2013/03/13/are-we-experiencing-a-communist-infiltration-sponsored-by-the-united-nations/
Finally, if you think all this is irrelevant, try searching for “ICLEI” or “agenda 21” or “Brundtland Report” or “Our Common Future” on your local or state government or even federal government”s website.
Cheers
Roger
Dump it right after the Dems block tax law changes after eight years of ignoring the need.
can’t we just bottle CO2?
If you look closely, you’ll find it in your beer bottle. Just don’t burp, the world will go under.
Very true. I am in favor of carbon sequestration. I drink the beer 🙂
We can all bottle sea water and store it in wooden cupboards, storing carbon and dealing with sea level rise in one go. It won’t happen because, like nuclear power, there is nothing in it for The Blob.
Does anyone know why the President hasn’t dumped the agreement yet? It hasn’t been ratified, it’s not a treaty. The President could get rid of it with the stroke of a pen.
http://trump.news/2017-05-03-heres-how-trump-can-deal-with-the-paris-climate-accords-the-right-way.html
I don’t know if he is wavering on this topic or not. Ivanka and Jared are FOR the accord as if that should matter. I don’t like being in suspenders 🙂 /* oops, my phone */
No one knows, but I’m beginning to suspect he’s missing something.
The cajones.
What I’ve been hearing on the news today makes me think that the fecal matter has hit the air movement device. I think The Donald is going to be seriously distracted for a while. We may have missed our chance to get rid of Paris.
Personally I think The God Emperor will do the same thing with Paris that he’s done with great success on a number of issues. Not make a commitment and seem to be waffling right up to the moment the Axe flies.
Commie-San:
Ivanka is a strong advocate of CAGW and doesn’t want to exit the Paris Accord.
Recently, Ivanka has become one of Trump’s closest and trusted advisors, so he’s backed off until Ivanka has more time to discuss the Global Warming “crisis” with pro-CAGW “scientists”…
Oh, goody…
Gee, I wonder what conclusions and advice Ivanka will come up with after “consulting” with “experts” like Al Gore and Michael Mann?….
You can bet they won’t be discussing this paper with Ivanka !
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The global CO2 sinks have expanded so rapidly due to the CO2 fertilization effect ,our share of atmospheric CO2 began declining since 2000, Paper published 2016 in Nature ;
“Since the start of the twenty-first century, however, the airborne fraction has been declining (−2.2% per year, P=0.07; Fig. 1b), despite the rapid increase in anthropogenic emissions”
Another decade of the increasing sink growth, and Paris is irrelevant !
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms13428/figures/1
“a new process created which is free of the stigma of corruption”
With humans involved? Good luck with that.
Anyone who thinks they have a cat in hell’s chance of renegotiating any part of the Paris “agreement” is even more naive than David Cameron and others thinking that they could get the EU to change its economically disastrous ways. And – guess what? – many of those involved in the upper echelons of the EU are the very same people who will never change their minds about CAGW. The USA should just pull out as indeed the UK should.
I don’t negotiate with the garbage man about what I throw away.
” The U.S. has been extremely successful in reducing greenhouse gas and CO2 emissions.”
– greenhouse gas
– CO2 emissions
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We’re doomed !
We’re extremely successfully doomed !
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What’s next, Larry Hamlin !
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Shucks.
Larry:
You really successfully believe in ‘greenhouse gasses’ outside of greenhouses
and pollutionary CO2 emissions in the real world heating our solar system to burnout ?
Your effective posts receiver should be hillary@hilarious/climate game.company
Larry, go Hamlin homeling.
Your mother’s praying for you !
Whether or not our “greenhouse gas” emissions have declined is beside the point. When arguing with Warmunists, do not give them ground of any kind. The Paris “agreement” is wrong because the science is wrong. End of story.
Bruce, disagree. Actually, quite strongly on political tactics grounds.
There is some basic common ground. Yes, climate changes. Yes, we have been naturally warming out of the LIA. Yes, CO2 is a ‘greenhouse gas’ that impedes radiative cooling. Yes, all the measured data says that by itself, the lack of cooling from CO2 is logarithmic with concentration and about 1.16C per doubling based on present measurements. Even Monckton agrees with that value. Those are all objective facts. Not conceding them just gets one dismissed as a D person or Obama ‘flat earther’.
But then once they are engaged you can cut them off at the knees with additIonal observational facts they cannot rebut. My usual short list offered up again with a couple of newbies just for you:
Except for the now stll rapidly cooling 2015-16 El Nino blip, no warming this century except by Karlization. Yet this century comprises ~35% of the total increase in atmospheric CO2 since 1958 (Keeling curve onset).
No acceleration in sea level rise.
No increase in extreme weather per IPCC SREX itself. Direct consequence of any polar amplification and the reduction in latitudinal energy differential. (Lindzen’s point that their ‘science’ on this is bassackwards.)
Greening.
Antarctica stable/gaining ice. Arctic not continuing to lose sea ice.
Polar bears thriving. They do not depend on summer ice, mainly spring ice during seal whelping.
Oceans buffered and not ‘acidifying’ much even where barren. Biological ocean CO2 sinks (e.g. Coccoliths in North Atlantic) increasing 10 x past 30 years with no signs of saturation as in the Bern model.
Use judo/aikido on warmunists, not no quarter MMA. Get them close, then throw them off balance with ‘tricks’ like SREX (most warmunists will not have heard of or read this IPCC document) or Susan Crockford’s new book on polar bears, then slam them to the mat with killer facts they cannot refute like greening, 21st century, SLR. Aikido is judo with elements of karate mixed in. Is more violent than pure judo. Both very Japanese. I learned judo long ago, but the aikido demonstrations are awesome. Not much taught in the US.
Ice levels current above both 2015 and 2016 levels.
“the lack of cooling from CO2 is logarithmic with concentration and about 1.16C per doubling based on present measurements.”
Presuming no negative feedbacks. Perceptible warming from increased CO2 is not a conclusion from science.
Cloud feedbacks are poorly understood and not modeled at all well. Small changes in tropical cloudiness, and in the hydrological cycle, could zero out tropospheric warming from increased CO2 forcing.
Not one iotum of the climate alarm is situated in science.
As always, when losing, enargpia tries to move the goal post.
Nobody said it was a trend.
On the other hand, one year of data is enough to make a trend according to many trolls.
‘OK, can you tell us what caused the oceans to warm?’
ENSO remains an enigma, but I feel in my water that its a determinate.
There were more La Nina during the LIA and as you know a strong El Nino has a warming effect.
ristvan, you also believe that the earth doesn’t roll idly by and allow CO2 to heat us up unimpeded, though, don’t you? ДEnthalpy and greening and…
Yes MarkW, currently above 2 of the lowest 4 years in the 37 year satgellite record… after being at record low all winter. Its only high extent because so much of it is thin, broken up and dispersed and on its way out to melt in N Atlantic.
but the ice is thinner and of lower volume than ever before. Its still below 2012 at this point and in worse condition.
There’s no way (sadly) this isn’t going to be another record low year…
engorgement@proboscis
You sound like that tripe wallowing failed scientist attp.
Isn’t it interesting that you link to charts specifically far short of current data. How does one show El Nino 2016 effect when the chart dies off in 2015?
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/icecover/osisaf_nh_iceextent_daily_5years_en.png
http://web.nersc.no/WebData/arctic-roos.org/observation/ssmi_ice_ext.png
http://beta.dmi.dk/uploads/tx_dmidatastore/webservice/b/m/s/d/e/accumulatedsmb.png
Griffie, The ice level always falls after an El Nino, as normal circulation patterms pull the El Nino warmed water into the arctic.
Your desperate need to believe that disaster is around the corner is just so darned cute.
And this ; The new “pause” .. (and confirms the old pause ) ..Our share of atmospheric CO2 declining since 2000 ..Surprised this paper not headlined on WUWT ..Drives Warmists insane ,got me banned on medianatterers-
“Since the start of the twenty-first century, however, the airborne fraction has been declining (−2.2% per year, P=0.07; Fig. 1b), despite the rapid increase in anthropogenic emissions”
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms13428/figures/1
“Griff May 11, 2017 at 1:04 am
Its still below 2012 at this point and in worse condition.
There’s no way (sadly) this isn’t going to be another record low year…”
Another record low (For 2017)? You have made that prediction before…we’ll see…
As a reminder, Al Gore predicted the Arctic would be ice free within 5 years. 5 years later in his prediction (Apparently based on “science”), which was 2013, ice was…strangely…stubbornly…*STILL* there and there is no unusual volume or extent. Funny that!
Patrick MJD (Quoting Griff)
I will remind Griff, and any other hand-wringers reading, that Spring 2012 was one of the very few recent periods when Arctic Sea ice was ABOVE its 1979-1989 daily average sea ice extents. Yes. The year Arctic sea ice hit a record low sea ice minimum in September was the only year Arctic sea ice was above average in spring – just 4-1/2 months previous to the Sept minimum! Historically, low spring sea ice means higher September sea ice minimums. Low sea ice in September means higher sea ice levels the next spring.
Now, the recent Arctic sea ice trend is steady – oscillating at -1.2 to -1.5 Mkm^2. Not getting greater. Not getting much smaller either. This is because, over the course of the entire year, less sea ice means more heat losses from the Arctic Ocean. The much-hyped Arctic amplification of sea ice melt causing more radiation absorption causing more sea ice to melt is a short-term, 4 month phenomenon that stops in mid-August. Thereafter, between the end of August and the end of March, less sea ice means more heat losses to the Arctic air, which then radiates that energy to space.
The opposite happens around Antarctica: Down south, the sea ice DOES reflect about 1.7 times the energy over the entire year that the Arctic sea ice does.
That is your job. You and your alarmist cohorts need to explain all historic climate changes as part of the science. If you don’t understand them then you are pretending to understand climate.
We’ve been warming for 10,000 years. Are you saying that was man-made warming from 10,000 years ago?
Ha! Can you?
You seem to have no grasp of Science, and the Scientific Method.
The onus is on you and the Carbon Propaganda Mongers. Do you not realize this?
Don’t have to. It happened. That is all that matters.
I see enargpia is doing is patented pedant act.
Natural by definition is anything not man made.
The fact remains that the world has been warming since the end of the LIA. The null hypothesis is that whatever caused that warming is continuing. It is up to you to prove that the null hypothesis is wrong. In order to do that you have to prove that whatever caused the previous warming is no longer operating.
Funny man, enargpia. The fact remains. We have been warming. I don’t have to know how a refrigerator works to know that it cools.
If magic = something we don’t fully understand, then yes.
No need to. Just is. Natural variation is proven by MWP Greenland Viking burials that are now encased in permafrost, and by the last LIA London ice fair 1814. No need to explain why, although I of course have suppositions about possible physical explanations. You want me to turn the null hypothesis upside down. Mann’s abominably bad (both data and math) hockey stick tried to erase climate history and therefore erase the proper null hypothesis. Nope.
What you have to do to disprove the properly stated climate null hypothesis ( limate changes, nothing to do with CO2) is explain using physics why GHG overwhelms the proven background natural climate variation that must be still ongoing. I comcede you this headstart: CO2 is a GHG, and a doubling should, ceterus paribus, inhibit IR cooling such that the equilibrium troposphere temperature will rise about 1.16C. The rest is your to do physics.
Please cover model parameter tuning for best hindcasts, lack of modeled tropical troposphere hotspot, lack of constant relative humidity as assumed by AR4 WG1 blackbox 8.1 (covered in my previous book), and cloud physics (essay Cloudy Clouds in most recent book).
Your physics to do on feedbacks is way bigger than your ability to do those physics. A specific example that affects both water vapor and clouds is convection cells such as thunderstorms. Due to computational constraints, the finest climate model gridcell in CMIP5 is 110 km per side at the equator. It takes about 50 days to do one such run per UCAR on the world’s best supercomputers. To adequately resolve thunderstorm convection, numerical weather models use gridcells 2 thanks to the CFL constraint on numerically solved partial differential equations). So to get the ‘physics’ of feedbacks ‘right’ is 110/55/27/13/7/4/2 six orders of magnitude beyond present computational capability. Or, you can start such a run and get the results in about 50,000,000 days. Good luck with that.
Advice: never bring a rubber knife to a pro gunfight. Baiting with the improper null, not knowing about the computational intractability that forces model parameterization that automatically drags in the natural/AGW attribution problem… hang around and you might learn some stuff. Or, just read my most recent inexpensive ebook, which covers all this and much more in illustrated and footnoted detail for laypersons.
Earth has warmed since the LIA. We know it warmed but we don’t yet know what caused the warming. The climate models cannot reproduce the warming since the LIA, so whatever caused it is not represented in the climate models. That alone should give everyone cause to doubt that the climate models are of any use at all.
When he can’t move the goal posts, enargpia’s second favorite trick is to just act stupid.
For example, I say “we don’t know the cause” from which our newest troll declares “so you say there is no cause”.
You got to give the troll credit for being so willing to embarrass itself for a paycheck.
“The fact remains that the world has been warming since the end of the LIA. The null hypothesis is that whatever caused that warming is continuing.”
Of course the world has been warming since the end of the LIA. That is just the definition of LIA. Saying that is responsible for warming is just saying it has warmed because it was cold before.
That “null hypothesis” would justify linearly extrapolating any data indefinitely. The point of a null hypothesis (the meaning of null) is that, if it can explain the data, no further explanation is required. Saying a trend will continue does not do that.
Of course there is an explanation. It has long been known that if you put a whole lot of CO2 in the air, it will warm. We put a whole lot of CO2 in the air.
Nick, if one uses temperature records that have not been stepped on, the problem with the simple “CO2 controls temperature” model does not follow temperature changes for periods of tens of years. Declines in temperature despite increasing CO2 makes that model inadequate, such as 1940-1975.
I already rested my case. Multiple subsequent replies from you I shall ignore since you are imprevious to scientific logic or basic facts does not improve your stance, no matter how many additional times you continue to post your manifest stupidities for all here to see indelibly. First rule of Army holes: when in one wanting out, stop digging.
Nick said ‘We put a whole lot of CO2 in the air.’
This is not entirely accurate, there has been an extraordinary amount of outgassing from the warm oceans.
It was only a coincidence that temperatures rose last century at the same time as CO2, post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Historians will look back and wonder how we could have got it so wrong, scientists, politicians and media didn’t give a second thought to our over active star.
OK, can you tell us what caused the oceans to warm?
ENSO remains an enigma, but I feel in my water that its a determinate.
There were more La Nina during the LIA and as you know a strong El Nino has a warming effect.
el gordo,
“This is not entirely accurate, there has been an extraordinary amount of outgassing from the warm oceans.”
Not in terms of net flow. We have burnt about 450 Gt Carbon. There is about 250 Gt extra in the atmosphere, since 1900. Most of the rest went into the sea. That is the direction of net flow.
The heat may come from some natural internal variability, possibly created by an astronomical factor. It interests me, so I’ll follow it up.
Adding weight to the argument on ENSO behaviour.
http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2016/160608/ncomms11719/full/ncomms11719.html
garp, the word I was looking for is ‘jerk’, but I’ve been assured that correlation doesn’t necessarily show causation.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012821X05003079
Nick Stokes:
I see you again adopt your common practice of reframing (i.e. distorting) an issue when you write
el gordo was and is right.
CO2 “outgassing from the warm oceans” is orders of magnitude more than anthropogenic CO2 emissions during each and every year.
At issue is why the atmospheric CO2 concentration has risen. There are several possibilities but the most likely is adjustment to the alteration of the equilibrium state of the carbon cycle induced by the temperature rise from the Little Ice Age which has been happening intermittently for centuries. Some mechanisms in the carbon cycle have rate constants of years and decades so it takes decades for the system to adjust to an altered equilibrium. A major delay is transfer of carbon between deep ocean (where there is almost all the CO2 flowing in the carbon cycle) to the atmosphere. Hence, the most likely explanation for the rise in atmospheric CO2 concentration is adjustment of the carbon cycle with CO2 from the warming oceans providing a lag of decades of the CO2 rise behind the temperature rise.
(ref. Rorsch A, Courtney RS & Thoenes D, ‘The Interaction of Climate Change and the Carbon Dioxide Cycle’ E&E v16no2 (2005) )
Richard
ATheoK:
It seems you have difficulty reading. I wrote
And you have responded
I don’t know what part of “nobody knows” you don’t understand, but there are many possible causes of “that intermittent warming” which is “recovery from the LIA”.
For example, a small change to ocean currents could alter transport of heat from tropical regions to cooler regions. Sea surface temperature is constrained to a maximum of ~32°C tropical regions by evapouration and associated cloud cover. Hence, increased transport of heat from the tropical regions to cooler regions makes little or no change to tropical temperatures which obtain reduced evapouration and cloud cover, but it warms the cooler regions with resulting increase to global average surface temperature (GASTA).
Richard
Dear, dear enargpia. Please stop before you hurt yourself.
First off, you were the one who posted the question about the refrigerator being unplugged. Is your brain so weak that you can’t even remember what you wrote a few hours ago?
My point was that I don’t need to know how a refrigerator works to notice that it makes things cold when placed in it.
Gump you’re not going to get the last word on my watch sunshine.
The general theory that CO2 causes global warming is badly flawed, as evidenced by the massive model failure, so we are left with some internal dynamic and a bright star.
Whatever took us into the LIA also brought us out, depending on the oscillations at the time. Natural variability is what it is, no need to split hairs.
The alarmist lobby needs your guilt money. COP21.
From what I know about the status of foreign executive agreements, like Paris, they do not bind Presidents other than the one who declared it. As far as I can tell, there has been no Supreme Court ruling on foreign executive agreements, so if Paris is treated like domestic executive orders, Paris is a dead letter unless Trump makes a positive choice to enforce it on his own authority.
Technically, yes, but this is something he promised to do. He needs to send a message, and he should have already done so. The fact that he hasn’t is speaking volumes already. And what it it is saying is not complimentary to him, nor does it bode well for his political future.
“Technically, yes, but this is something he promised to do. He needs to send a message, and he should have already done so. The fact that he hasn’t is speaking volumes already. And what it it is saying is not complimentary to him, nor does it bode well for his political future.”
Trump is obviously using this issue for some reason. It has now been reported that the decision will be delayed until after Trump goes to the G7 meeting in Europe at the end of May. I don’t know what Trump is up to but I still think he is going to pull out because there is no good reason for the U.S. to stay in.
It would be interesting politically if Trump were to remain in the Paris Agreement. The vast majority of Republicans in Congress are against the Paris Agreement, and I would expect a LOT of pushback from Congress, were that the case. I can see Congress demanding that Trump put the Paris Agreement before the U.S. Senate for approval or disappoval.
So even if Trump were to stay in the agreement, that doesn’t mean the U.S. will not eventually pull out of it.
Trump should not get on the wrong side of a lot of Republican congresscritters by oking the Paris Agreement. He needs every one of them for his big agenda, and sticking with the Paris Agreement is going to cut the number of Republicans cooperating with him drastically and may just stifle his agenda.
There is no good reason for the U.S. to stay in the Paris Agreement.
they do not bind Presidents other than the one who declared it.
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Congress gave the President the power to regulate immigration, but all it takes is one judge to overturn the Law.
The Paris Agreement was specifically worded to bind future Presidents, by allowing the courts to overrule the President.
ferd, there are no Supreme Court cases on foreign executive agreements, but if the decisions on domestic executive orders applies, Paris is not binding. The rule is that executive orders use the lawful authority of the President to be effective, but do not bind future presidents.
“The Paris Agreement was specifically worded to bind future Presidents, by allowing the courts to overrule the President.”
The Paris Agreement does not overrule the U.S. Constitition. Obama cannot bind the U.S. to anything with this agreement.
One judge can make a stupid or politically partisan ruling but the Supreme Court is where the real decisions are made. These lower court judges are just a speedbump. They will be overturned.
there are no Supreme Court cases on foreign executive agreements
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exactly, so to say Paris will not be binding is naive, because there is nothing to stop the court from ruling as they will. much better to avoid the courts.
the best way to deal with this is to take it to the Senate for a ratification vote and make the senators show their true colors.
if that is judged too risky, then bail-out. do not go before the courts because then the courts are then making the law that the Senate should have made.
and are far as renegotiating, hopeless. eventually you are back in the courts. much better to say “your $100 billion a year is never going to happen”. the whole agreement will explode overnight. or China will have to step in and pony up the money. win-win for the US.
Don’t worry – Trump will get there soon enough – meanwhile Mickey Mann is digging his way to Paris ….the slow way.
ferdberple, Tom Halla and TA:
I write to ask a genuine question.
Prior to the existence of the Kyoto Protocol the US Senate resolved
see http://www.nationalcenter.org/KyotoSenate.html
Elsewhere I suggested
If it were a vote in the UK Parliament then my suggestion would be true. However, I obtained a refutation that said
Unfortunately, that refutation was from a resident troll and, therefore, I don’t know whether to believe it.
A Parliamentary vote applies unless and until Parliament revokes it with another vote; e.g. the controversial Climate Change Bill still applies although there has been a series of elected Parliaments since it was passed. And to me that British system seems to be a democratic principle.
Can you please confirm or refute the assertion that a “Sense of the Senate” resolution cannot bind a future Senate.
Richard
I did do a web search on the issue of international executive agreements, and as far as I could determine, there has been very little Constitutional law on the subject. The Supreme Court, as far as I could tell, has never ruled on the subject.
If one treats foreign executive agreements the same as domestic, they rely on the lawful authority of the President to have effect. It would have been interesting if the Clinton administration had tried to bring the Kyoto Senate vote to court, or tried enforce it anyway, and had someone else bring it to court. As far as I can tell, the Senate vote on Kyoto had no legal effect, but surely some lawyer could make a case otherwise.
As far as I can tell, and I am not a lawyer, Trump has a defensible position if he ignores any previous executive agreements, as they do not bind future presidents by current constitutional precedents.
“see http://www.nationalcenter.org/KyotoSenate.htmlInstead, I suggesthttps://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-105sres98ats/pdf/BILLS-105sres98ats.pdf or
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-106shrg67624/pdf/CHRG-106shrg67624.pdf
Only official sources for Congressional, Judicial or Administrative branch actions should be considered.
All too many ‘private’ legal sites obscure or rephrase key portions. There are a number of Law University discussion sites where additional background can be ascertained, but even these must be verified against official law sources.
Richard, your blunt truncation of Senate Resolution 98 leaves the salient reasons for the resolution obscure. I doubt this is your intention, but it is the reason I post the full S Res 98.
Federal frameworks for what actually constitutes law and binding agreements are clearly laid out in the Constitution.
When a sitting Senate body, chooses to discuss, debate, resolution vote on international matters under negotiation; they are signaling to the sitting President, the Presidents’ Administration, or as in this case, especially the Department of State, exactly where the Senate stands on possible treaties emanating from ongoing discussions.
Senate Resolution 98, clearly informed the President and his Administration that as international discussions stand, the Senate will not approve any treaties that:
“A) mandate new commitments to limit or reduce greenhouse gas emissions for the Annex I Parties, unless the protocol or other agreement also mandates new specific scheduled commitments to limit or reduce greenhouse gas emissions for Developing Country Parties within the same compliance period, or
(B) would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States; and any such protocol or other agreement which would require the advice and consent of the Senate to ratification should be accompanied by a detailed explanation of any legislation or regulatory actions that may be required to implement the protocol or other agreement and should also be accompanied by an analysis of the detailed financial costs and other impacts on the economy of the United States which would be incurred by the implementation of the protocol or other agreement.”
The United Sates of America did not agree to a Kyoto treaty.
Your point, Richard, regarding “A Parliamentary vote applies unless and until Parliament revokes it with another vote; e.g. the controversial Climate Change Bill still applies although there has been a series of elected Parliaments since it was passed. And to me that British system seems to be a democratic principle.”
Conflates one method of Government as burdening other methods or generations of Government.
One vote, especially where the voting body is clearly signaling dissatisfaction with negotiations status, is just that! A vote informing another branch of government that specific negotiation status is “dead in the water”.
The Senate left a perfectly normal opening by leaving the possibility that “some day, somewhen, by trustworthy and patriotic elected representatives” they may revisit a similar topic and actually correct every Senate concern.
By no means, get your hopes up. The Kyoto and several similar attempts are officially “dead in the water”.
When the Senate voted on S. Res 98; they left a clear possibility that future negotiation/treaty would deal with similar concerns, providing that future negotiations would not damage or harm USA efforts and that said treaty would actually have real benefit; leaves considering such agreements quite open, i.e. the senate discussing/debating and voting on similar proposals.
A) In effect, the senate did bind future senate votes, but that does not imply future senate discussions/debates/votes are restricted!
A precedent was established regarding senate expectations for such negotiations..
But a legal framework or regulatory law is not established. Legal or regulatory binding of future senate gatherings/discussions is not impaired.
Senate Resolution 98, commonly referred to as “Byrd Hagel Resolution”:
“Whereas it is desirable that a bipartisan group of Senators be appointed by the Majority and Minority Leaders of the Senate for the purpose of monitoring the status of negotiations on Global Climate Change and reporting periodically to the Senate on those negotiations:
Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That it is the sense of the Senate that
(1) the United States should not be a signatory to any protocol to, or other agreement regarding, the
United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change of 1992, at negotiations in Kyoto in December 1997, or thereafter, which would
(A) mandate new commitments to limit or reduce greenhouse gas emissions for the Annex I Parties, unless the protocol or other agreement also mandates new specific scheduled commitments to limit or reduce greenhouse gas emissions for Developing Country Parties within the same compliance period, or
(B) would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States; and any such protocol or other agreement which would require the advice and consent of the Senate to ratification should be accompanied by a detailed explanation of any legislation or regulatory actions that may be required to implement the protocol or other agreement and should also be accompanied by an analysis of the detailed financial costs and other impacts on the economy of the United States which would be incurred by the implementation of the protocol or other agreement.
SEC. 2. The Secretary of the Senate shall transmit a copy of this resolution to the President.”
ATheoK:
Thankyou for your lengthy answer to my question. However, your answer is not clear to me.
The matter has importance.
Is the Senate Resolution made in 1997 still binding on the US Senate or not?
If it is then President Trump is not required to do anything for him to fulfill his election promise to remove the US from the Paris Accord because the US Senate took all the needed action in 1997.
Firstly, the link I provided ( i.e. http://www.nationalcenter.org/KyotoSenate.html ) does quote the entire resolution so, clearly. I had read it (many, many times over the decades since 1997).
Secondly, I did not say anything that,
“Conflates one method of Government as burdening other methods or generations of Government.”
I stated the British Parliamentary system which causes my reason for asking the question. As I said,
“I write to ask a genuine question”.
That said, I repeat that I am not clear what answer you have provided to my question which was
Your reply says
“Can you please confirm or refute the assertion that a “Sense of the Senate” resolution cannot bind a future Senate.”
A “Sense of the Senate” vote is not binding on future Senates, or anything else, it only expresses the opinion of the Senate at the time the vote was taken.
The “Sense of the Senate” vote having to do with the Kyoto Agreement, was taken to demonstrate that the Senate at that time, had no interest in passing the Kyoto Agreement, and so the president saw this and did not submit the Kyoto Agreement to the Senate for certain disapproval.
richard, resolutions aren’t binding.
From a legal standpoint, they aren’t much different than taking a poll. Just more formal.
To become a law, and hence binding, the bill would have to pass both houses of congress and be signed by the president.
TA and MarkW:
That is helpful. Thankyou.
Richard
Tom Halla:
Thanks also to you. Your post had not appeared when I wrote to thank the others.
Richard
ATheoK May 11, 2017 at 3:14 am
Excellent comments on the “Sense of the Senate” issue, ATheok.
Richard, ANY treaties to be considered, MUST pass resolution in the Senate for ratification to pass. The Kyoto RESOLUTION was a Senate Message to the Administrative branch (where the President is leader of) that they will NOT support the Kyoto Treaty in its present form (1997). That is why then President Clinton didn’t try to get it passed in the Senate because it was already dead BEFORE arrival. He never submitted it to the Senate.
The Resolution vote applies ONLY to the Kyoto Treaty,nothing more. The Paris Treaty was signed by then President Obama, has no legal force as the Senate never gave the required 2/3 resolution vote to pass . America currently is NOT part of the Paris treaty agreement. President Trump doesn’t have to do anything about it except to tell the American people that the American Senate never gave the required 2/3 vote for ratification of the Paris Treaty,thus we are not beholden to abide by it. President Obama does not have the power to unilaterally sign any treaty without the required 2/3 votes of the Senate.
Article 2 Section 2, of the U.S. Constitution states: “He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur”
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/articles/article-ii
From the United State Senate:
“Senate’s Role in Treaties
The Constitution provides that the president “shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur” (Article II, section 2). The Constitution’s framers gave the Senate a share of the treaty power in order to give the president the benefit of the Senate’s advice and counsel, check presidential power, and safeguard the sovereignty of the states by giving each state an equal vote in the treaty making process. As Alexander Hamilton explained in Federalist no. 75, “the operation of treaties as laws, plead strongly for the participation of the whole or a portion of the legislative body in the office of making them.” The constitutional requirement that the Senate approve a treaty with a two-thirds vote means that successful treaties must gain support that overcomes partisan division. The two-thirds requirement adds to the burdens of the Senate leadership, and may also encourage opponents of a treaty to engage in a variety of dilatory tactics in hopes of obtaining sufficient votes to ensure its defeat.”
https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Treaties.htm
Larry welcome home
https://youtu.be/tDQw21ntR64
I noticed a few little black dots outside the little white dots herding them.
I wonder what their names are?
Spot.
Agreed that Pres. Trump and the USA must dump the Paris agreement, but the President’s office must explain why it must be dumped in terms that the MSM must report. . It is no use just making a statement that USA is not going to ratify the agreement, the reasons must be explained in terms that laymen, and even warmists, can understand.
Even then, I hae ma’ doots that much of MSM will report it properly.
“the President’s office must explain why it must be dumped in terms that the MSM must report”
I agree. It would have to be a pretty long press conference though.
Nope. Could be quite short and dramatic. Less than an Apprentice segment.
1. The science is NOT settled. Offer some charts like the pause, lack of modeled tropical troposphere hotspot. A couple of the Christy stuff from most recent Congressional hearing. Plus, a lot of the science is junk or worse. My fav would be temperature fiddles, sudden SLR, and Pacific oysters. All three comprise academic misconduct.
2. India and China refuse to play, so any US contribution is futile yet harmful to US.
3. Thanks to fracked natural gas, US has already cut CO2 emissions more than any other country despite not joining Kyoto (here dig a few culprits like Germany and Russia)
4. Obliged by 1990’s laws to cut off UNFCCC anyway since they recognized Palestine in 2016.
5. Paris Wasn’t about climate change anyway. Cite Figueres and the Green Climate Fund extortion. Quote Schellnhuber’s glee on the made up 2C goal.
Paris Agreement and UNFCCC, you are fired.
I hope that Trump’s delay is due to his team’s preparing a thorough explanatory document.
RK, me too. But suspect is more along lines of the TonyB reply.
Nice summary. Book marked for future reference.
In a nutshell, the Paris Accord is premised on a supposed problem that exists only in climate models, the beliefs of Warmunists like Figueres, and the climate ‘science’ troughers. Those models theoretically cannot work, and empirically do not. They run hot because of faulty parameter tuning attribution. (See previous guest post The Trouble with Models.) Observational ECS is half of modeled; there is no eventual need for mitigation. Even if there were, China and India won’t play so the whole exercise is not only useless, it is futile. Several valid legal reasons to exit both Paris and UNFCCC under both domestic US and general international law. Trump said he would. High time he kept his campaign promise to the Deplorables.
I suppose the Paris Agreement has now been changed from a domestic to an international issue. Meida says that Trump will consult with European leaders on this, I doubt if he will be much reassured. But it may be a wise course to take, to talk to other politicians and not just scrap it out of hand, if this is the outcome.
Waaa. Did you want Thousand Island dressing with that word salad?
Must be a Cobb salad, it made perfect sense to me. ^¿^
talk to other politicians
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that is what got us into the problem in the first place.
a lawyer is someone that gets paid to lie on your behalf. a politician is someone that can tell two lies at the same time, out of opposite sides of his mouth, on his behalf.
Larry Hamlin or how defaitists won the war.
https://www.google.at/search?q=how+we+won+the+war&oq=how+we+won&aqs=chrome.
The French have made a growth strategy out of getting the developed world to locate permanent offices of study groups in Paris like OECD and IEA. They would now like to have a permanent office of Climate Alarm.
Exactly! Got a few billion to spend on the LHC? France welcomes you1 Want to waste a few billion more on a fusion reactor? France welcomes you. European Space Agency? They’re your boys! They farm international crap science rather than attempt anything competitive.
There’s something foul
we don’t need no stinking Hamlets
in Denmark. When we’ve got
https://youtu.be/Ec0clERjQ5A
“President Trump should dump the politically contrived and scientifically corrupt 2015 Paris climate agreement as the right decision for the U.S. and the world.”
https://www.google.at/search?q=should+would+could+did&oq=should+would&aqs=chrome.
Trump should submit the COP21 Paris Agreement that Obama signed to the Senate as a treaty requiring ratification.
Then Senator McConnell brings it to Senate floor for a vote needing the 67 yes votes for ratification. When it falls short, then it is constitutionality dead. No amount of legal manuevering by Left could bring it back to life or even suggest that it be followed.
That’s called playing to win.
The person who should have tried to make the Paris accord a treaty was Obama, if he wanted it to be binding. Trump does not have to do anything but ignore it.
“Trump does not have to do anything but ignore it.”
There’s a good point.
Trump doesn’t really have to be in a hurry to do anything. As long as he is not giving these people U.S. taxpayer money, it’s no harm, no foul. Although Trump really ought to be kind to his supporter’s and think of their blood pressure and end this nightmare quickly, so we can all relax.
The suspense is killing us, Donald!
Trump does not have to do anything but ignore it.
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not true. anything Trump tries that exceeds Paris limits can potentially be tied up in the courts for years. how long has Steyn been fighting Mann? 5 years and counting. Ball even longer.
The courts don’t deliver justice. they deliver punishment. until the parties tire and are willing to settle.
Trump does control the presidency for the next three and a half years, so a bit more vindictiveness towards his opponents will at least stop the greens from imposing any of their own policies. Another vote on the Supreme Court, and he might be able to reverse much of the former administration’s policies.
It’s a losing strategy win you consider the RINO status of the Senate itself. It would turn into a Greenshirt circus in very short order.
Obama did everything to avoid ratification when the optics would have been horrible while they were in power. They shouldn’t be rewarded now after the fact. Executive action in, executive action out.
As it has nothing to do with warming but all with getting rid of carbon based “fossil” fuels it will be interesting to see what will happen.
China will keep on pushing for the agreement and will make themselves look like the great hero as they have now realised that by staying on the Paris course will be good for their solar panel and wind turbine manufacturing industries. Not to forget their almost total control, at the moment, of the rare earth minerals required.
The money receiving nations will want to keep it all going, Europe is unlikely to pull out. China can see the money.
The US might find itself isolated here just for calling a spade a spade.
future stable CO2 emissions
maybe read emotionless like
https://youtu.be/uJwqe3zIQWI
According to NSIDC … May 9th, 2004 had 12.894 km^2 of Arctic sea ice while May 9th 2017 has 13.004 km^2 of sea ice. I would add this to the list of facts to present when withdrawing from the Paris agreement.
Be sure to add the supporting details on ice volume, thickness, amount of multi year ice and examine where the ‘extra’ ice is and its concentration.
which will demonstrate that thin low volume ice broken up and dispersed by storms is not equivalent and is much more likely to melt.
Back to the real world. The thin ice that Griffie assured us would melt quickly isn’t. One of the slowest melt seasons on record, caused by cold water. Water that cooled precisely because there was less ice than usual in the arctic.
I had understood trump was going to make a decision after the forthcoming g7 meeting.
Is that because he is open to lobbying from the other members before he makes a final decision, or has he already made a decision but dies not want to announce it before the meeting because he knows he will get it in the neck from all sides?
Tonyb
Tony, dunno but a supposition. The stay in camp includes Tillerson based on diplomatic impacts. So Trump goes to G7, gauges such impacts for himself, then makes a decision. He can ask a lot of sharp questions. One example: Frau Merkel, you back Paris and your own Energiewende, which bynthe way is driving some of your industry to the US. Thank you, beautiful formus. So how come your CO2 emissions have risen anyway while the US has fallen?
” So how come your CO2 emissions have risen anyway while the US has fallen?”
Merkel could well point out that the rise by world bank data was from about 9 to 9.4 tons CO2/capita in 2013, after coming down a lot post-Kyoto, while the US has also come down but still stood at 16.4 tons/capita in 2013.
Merkel could well point
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meaningless drivel. Germany is the 1/2 the size of Texas. Folks in Texas have driveways longer than some highways in Germany. By the time you hit the border in Germany you are still shifting up into top gear in Texas.
Thus the puny liters you use to fill cars in Germany. In Texas you fill the 4×4 with gallons, otherwise they’d have to make all the pumps wider to fit in all the digits.
ferdberple May 10, 2017 at 5:19 pm
yay for treating this matter with the respect it deserves – mockery!
i lolled!
ferdberple – that may have been the best ‘Everything’s bigger in Texas’ speech I’ve ever heard.
^¿^
Post Kyoto? You mean the era after re-unification when all the inefficient East German factories were being closed?
In evaluating the work done with climate models over the years, considering what has worked and what has not worked, and factoring in the paleoclimate record, one can conclude that the climate change we have been experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which Mankind has no control. There is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate. There is no such evidence in the paleoclimate record and there is plenty of scientific rational that the climate sensivity of CO2 is zero. But even if we could some how stop global climate change, extreme weather events and sea level rise are part of the current climate and will not go away if the climate stops changing. For those that still believe that the so called greenhouse gases cause warming, the total radiant greenhouse effect is dominated by H2O so much so that if we could completely remove CO2 from the Earth’s atmosphere, it would make no sifnificant difference. The Paris agreement does nothing to reduce H2O emissions and hence does not significantly reduce total greenhouse gases in the Earth’s atmosphere. So for those that believe that greenhouse gases cause warming, the Paris Agreement does not significantly reduce total greenhouse gases and will hence not significantly reduce greenhouse gas induced warming. The Paris Agreement represents a huge expendature with no real benefit.