I Love Neil deGrasse Tyson, but He is Wrong on Climate

My response to Neil deGrasse Tyson about denial of science.

Guest essay by Donna Hedley

I love Neil deGrasse Tyson. He has done so much to make science interesting and understandable. He is wise and humble. His love for science is infectious. However, I think he is wrong when he talks about the denial of science, especially when it is about climate change.

I agree with him when he says we need to become scientifically literate and that is something I have endeavoured to do over the last few years. I have come to be better understanding of what science is, and how it works. I am not a scientist, but I do have a brain and believe I have come to some intelligent conclusions. Not only that, I am open minded enough to listen to alternative ideas. I want to know the truth, even if it means that someday, someone can prove the CO2 is a problem. But as of today, I am not convinced.

I started this journey because I wanted to prove to someone that Global Warming was real. Yes, there was a time that I believed in it.

After all, the scientists were saying so, and who was I to disagree? What I found out was there are many knowledgeable people who questioned the hypotheses. I also found out that in the science world, this is what is supposed to happen. People are not supposed to be put down because they had different ideas. If their ideas were unsound, science will figure it out in the end, if given the chance to do so.

I don’t claim to know or understand everything, but what I learned was enough to make me question the status quo on the subject Anthropological Catastrophic Climate Change (ACCC). I also learned that questioning is good. If you don’t ask questions, you will not learn anything thing.

Neil talks about people denying science. I would like him to explain to me, just who is denying science and what they are denying about science. From my studies, they don’t deny that the climate is changing, that it is a bit warmer then is was 100 years ago, or that mankind has had something to do with it. They just question by how much and if it is a real problem, and what percent of it is our fault. This is a question that even Bill Nye could not answer.

What about real denial, like the denial of medieval warm period, which happened approximately between 1000 to 1250 when temperatures were higher then today, and people prospered because of longer growing seasons, and Vikings lived on Greenland (which they can’t today because it just too cold)? What about the denial of the little ice age that lasted from about 1300 to 1870, when plagues and famine were rampant, and people died by the millions? Could it be that the warming we have been experiencing over the last 100 years might have been the planet still coming out of the ice age? Science is all about considering all angles of a topic, all the possibilities.

Neil talks about how someone makes a premise or hypothesis and then others look at it, and do experiments to confirm validity. Scientists are supposed to do their utmost to disprove a theory. If it can’t be disproven, then it should be considered as possibility true. But even when that happens, new evidence can materialize that could change the picture yet again. That is why science is never settled.

How can one do real world experiments when it needs to be done on the real world — that is, the entire planet. Consider how big the planet is. How will it ever to fit in a lab? And while CO2 has been proven to cause some warming, what experiment can prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that when you factor in all of the variables involved in influencing the climate, such as clouds, the sun, wind, and the ocean — to name only a few — that CO2 is the main reason for the warming? How can we be sure that we even know of all the variables that affect the climate? Can we be sure that there are no other variables involved that we are not even aware of yet? You know, the stuff that we don’t know that we don’t know. All I suggest is that there are too many variables, to many unanswered questions to say that we know enough about why the world is warming and what it really means, and therefore cannot be pinned totally on CO2 as the starting point. If it cannot be proven, then any of the additional arguments are irrelevant.

So how can we trust the the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) who’s sole purpose is to prove that CO2 is the only cause of ACCC and does not even consider looking at other possible causes? Why does the IPCC not even consider the 100s of papers – peer reviewed and published in excellent journals — which do not support ACCC? Is it because these papers might contradict their premise and purpose which is to prove that CO2 is the cause?

Since whole world experiments are somewhat impossible, scientists rely on models that give projections. But if they cannot fully understand all of the possible factors that effect climate, how can we rely on models. They give some ideas of what might happen, but they can’t really tell what will happen for sure. They are only guesses, possibilities, not guarantees. For example, over the past 30 years, many of the climate models predicted that snow would be a thing of the past by now. Well, here in Ottawa, we had snow this winter, and lots of it. It has been a long cold winter. This neither proves or disproves ACCC, but points to the fact that the models are not reliable.

There are many scientists that do not support the status quo on ACCC. They do research which presents alternative views. They get their papers reviewed and published. The problem is, their voices and views are just not heard, or, if we do hear about them, they are presented as villains and funded by big oil, which is usually not the case. They are accused of denying science. Yet, they are doing exactly what Neil says scientists should do. Why are their efforts any less relevant just because they don’t go along with the status quo?

Doesn’t that sound a little Orwellian, the idea that people with a different point of view are presented as somehow – evil? Take for instance the story of Dr. Judith Curry. While Neil is an intelligent and established scientist in his own right, he is not an actual climate scientist, like Dr. Curry. She has impeccable credentials, including 186 published journal articles and two books. She went along with the status quo on ACCC, believing it to be real and trusting in what she was being told about it. Until she started to really look at the details which made her change her mind.

Bam, she is now an oil funded climate denier. Funny how one minute she has no connections with big oil, and the next minute she is in their pay. I wonder how that happens? How ridiculous, and scary – and easy it is to be trashed for not going with the status quo. Here is what she had to say about why she changed her mind when she spoke at a recent senate hearing.

“Prior to 2010, I felt that supporting the IPCC consensus on human-caused climate change was the responsible thing to do. That all changed for me in November 2009, following the leaked Climategate emails, that illustrated the sausage making and even bullying that went into building the consensus.I came to the growing realization that I had fallen into the trap of groupthink in supporting the IPCC consensus. I began making an independent assessment of topics in climate science that had the most relevance to policy. I concluded that the high confidence of the IPCC’s conclusions was not justified, and that there were substantial uncertainties in our understanding of how the climate system works. I realized that the premature consensus on human-caused climate change was harming scientific progress because of the questions that don’t get asked and the investigations that aren’t made. We therefore lack the kinds of information to more broadly understand climate variability and societal vulnerabilities.As a result of my analyses that challenge the IPCC consensus, I have been publicly called a serial climate disinformer, anti-science, and a denier by a prominent climate scientist. I’ve been publicly called a denier by a U.S. Senator. My motives have been questioned by a U.S. Congressman in a letter sent to the President of Georgia Tech.”

https://judithcurry.com/2017/03/29/house-science-committee-hearing/

She is a scientist with distinction and integrity. But when she looked at the evidence and decided that things were not what they seemed, she instantly became a villain. How can this behaviour be justified in the name of science?

When the models of the past 30 years don’t work, when the best they can come up with to prove CO2 causes catastrophic global warming is using terms like “likely”, when top scientist, who exemplifies distinction and integrity, is accused of being funded by big oil when they are not, when there are many scientists have peer reviewed papers that have alternative findings, you kind of have to pause and consider, maybe the “deniers” have a point.

You don’t have to agree with me – I won’t vilify you if you don’t. My purpose is not necessarily to change your mind, but to present some reasons why you might at least be willing to consider that if someone like Judith Curry could change her mind because she realized that she was not being told the whole truth, maybe you might consider it as well. And maybe, Neil deGrasse Tyson, as awesome as he is, is mistaken.

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April 21, 2017 4:17 pm

Ugh… I saw a post where he argued about the coefficient of friction cannot be greater than 1 and therefore a NASCAR could only hit a certain speed around a corner limited to 1 g force at a given radius. I explained to him that observation always trumps hypothesis or theory… and that a car tire can pull well over 1 g. I explained that tire rubber is soft on race tires especially and that they interlock with the grains of the road surface to allow such speeds. But that regardless of the reason, NASCARs are clocked to go faster than he said was possible… so he was wrong to keep arguing and “sticking to his guns”.
He never responded to being schooled. His loss.

Scorpion
April 21, 2017 5:27 pm

So wonderful to read the comments of all the conservative, white, old men on this website!
You will not find a more pathetic and hopeless group of humans anywhere on this (warming due to mankind) planet.
Speaking of different views, I’m betting my comment doesn’t even make it (my last one didn’t ) because y’all like to live in a bubble echo chamber.
That begins with Mr. Watts himself. He thinks science is a democratic process and having a “difference if opinion” can disprove things that none of us has the equipment to disprove.
Is the sun 93 million miles away? I say it’s only 50,000 miles away! Scientists are lying for political reasons! They just want more funding! Someone prove me wrong!! I just happen to have a different view! And on and on it goes….
Don’t you guys ever get tired? I’m sure at some level you know how silly you all sound, but are just too egotistical to admit it. How do I know this? Well, people who are sincere in their beliefs are usually very humble and kind – like Mr. Tyson. Based on the vile comments here, that is the opposite of what people here are. You see, the truth hurts. And people who read and believe Mr.Watts are deeply, psychologically hurt people. The type of people who NEVER admit they are wrong. The type of people who double or triple down when faced with overwhelming evidence they are wrong.
So, I have just one question for all the “science minded” people on this site:
Explain to me how and why the ratio of Carbon-12 to Carbon-13 has changed over the past 60-100 years.

Reg Nelson
Reply to  Scorpion
April 21, 2017 6:52 pm

LOl What overwhelming evidence?
No warming for over eighteen years, contradicting and falsifying the the CAGW CO2 driven propaganda — aka “the cause”..
You don’t have to be old or white to understand this. And BTW Hansen, Jones. Mann, Schmidt, Trenbrith etc. are old and white LMAO.
The fact that you have to inject race into this shows how utterly pathetic you are. And the fact you threatened Anthony with violence shows how completely deranged you truly are.
Get mental help. Seriously.

Reg Nelson
Reply to  Reg Nelson
April 21, 2017 7:21 pm

PS When did Hansen, Jones. Mann, Schmidt, Trenbrith ever admit ever admit when they were wrong, when clearly they were?
Phil Jones conspired to dodge FOIA requests because he knew was wrong and his “science” wouldn’t hold up to intelligent, intellectual scrutiny.

JohnWho
Reply to  Reg Nelson
April 22, 2017 6:03 am

Or, he could just accept his role as WUWT Jester.

Stephen Wilde
Reply to  Scorpion
April 22, 2017 3:08 am

Presumably because, for some reason yet to be determined, the ratio of C13 ton C12 drops when the Earth is warming.
My current view on the issue is that warmer surface waters contain a less energetic ocean biosphere (cool La Nina conditions show a more active ocean biosphere)so that the impact of the C12 preference in photosynthesis declines such that the impact of that preference weakens and the amount of C12 rises relative to C13 and the C13 ratio with C12 then falls, as observed.

Chimp
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
April 22, 2017 9:51 am

Here’s a good discussion on difficulties with the 12C/13C ratio:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/the-trouble-with-c12-c13-ratios/

Chimp
Reply to  Scorpion
April 22, 2017 10:01 am

Scorpion,
1) The Carbonari are also mostly old, white men, motivated by career and ideology.
2) Lots of commenters here are women, young men and non-white.
3) The US elected a president and congress dominated by climate skeptics. This didn’t happen without support for climate realism by young, female and minority voters. White males over 45 constitute about a sixth of the voting-age population, but maybe a bit more of the actual electorate, given low turnout among the young.
4) All you have is appeal to “consensus” authority, which has repeatedly failed throughout the history of science.
5) Even if the 12C/13C ratio were indicative of a human fingerprint, it doesn’t matter. There is no evidence that human-derived CO2, whether 12 ppm or 120 ppm, has had any effect on global climate. It has however greened the earth.

TA
Reply to  Scorpion
April 22, 2017 10:40 am

Sad. Scorpion’s whole purpose seems to be to denigrate WUWT and those who post here. Personal attacks are not scientific discussion. You know you are winning the argument when this is all the other side can muster.

Reply to  Scorpion
April 22, 2017 2:11 pm

BWAHAHAHAHJAHAHAHAHA!!!
your loudmouth rant has no sting in it. Zero evidence,Zero facts and ZERO science whatsoever!
You pushed the following leftist markers,that tell me about who you really are as a person:
Partisan
Unprovoked insults
Fallacies
Racist
Condescending
Stupid
Personal attacks
Meanwhile your following statement is dumb,since no one here disputes the Suns distance:
“Is the sun 93 million miles away? I say it’s only 50,000 miles away! Scientists are lying for political reasons! They just want more funding! Someone prove me wrong!! I just happen to have a different view! And on and on it goes….”
Know what Strawman fallacy is?
More of your statement:
“Don’t you guys ever get tired? I’m sure at some level you know how silly you all sound, but are just too egotistical to admit it. How do I know this? Well, people who are sincere in their beliefs are usually very humble and kind – like Mr. Tyson. Based on the vile comments here, that is the opposite of what people here are.”
I posted examples of his many basic errors,errors that would have been avoided quite easily if Tyson was more attentive to research. Tyson is a proven careless partisan hack,who has been caught making too many embarrassing science based errors, to be a credible source on anything.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/04/21/i-love-neil-degrasse-tyson-but-he-is-wrong-on-climate/comment-page-1/#comment-2481973
“You see, the truth hurts…”
LOL
It is YOU who is ignorant on what a pompous man he who makes waaay too many simple science errors, to take him seriously as a science presenter. Carl Sagan was so gosh darn much better at it,in the original Cosmos series.
Scorpion finished his completely evidence free rant with an irrational flourish:
“And people who read and believe Mr.Watts are deeply, psychologically hurt people. The type of people who NEVER admit they are wrong. The type of people who double or triple down when faced with overwhelming evidence they are wrong.”
Really, where is the evidence fella, oh you never presented ANY evidence in your entire rant, in the first place. That is why many here think you are full of crap,since you came here with NO INTENTION of providing cogent counterpoints to anyone here or to the post. You are here because you are a lost boy wondering why millions of people stopped accepting your kind of anti science behavior,so you attack few a here to make yourself feel better,which of course is a hallmark of immaturity.
“So, I have just one question for all the “science minded” people on this site:”
A number who are real scientists who dares to make civil respectful comments,even when arguing over the topic,YOU didn’t even try,don’t even care what people here really think, since you make clear from the start that you are a close minded jackass,NO INTENTION to have a reasonable debate with anyone here,you made that clear from the start.
“So wonderful to read the comments of all the conservative, white, old men on this website!
You will not find a more pathetic and hopeless group of humans anywhere on this (warming due to mankind) planet.
Speaking of different views, I’m betting my comment doesn’t even make it (my last one didn’t ) because y’all like to live in a bubble echo chamber.”
You are nothing but a loudmouthed jerk.

sbxstr
Reply to  Sunsettommy
April 22, 2017 2:37 pm

“conservative, white, old men.” Yep, I’m 3 for 3 here. Although at 68 I don’t really consider myself old yet. I’d accept older. But, my experience of 40 years in experimental aerospace, together with an MS in Aero Engrg, allows me to make some judgments in scientific research. The climate models are just basically computational fluid dynamics simulations, and while I wasn’t a CFDist, but I know that garbage in is garbage out. A skilled CFDist can get pretty much the solution he wants. A few years ago, a Formula 1 team designed a car entirely via CFD with no wind tunnel testing and ran out of gas before the end of the race. The initial conditions greatly influence the result.

Tenn
Reply to  Scorpion
April 23, 2017 2:06 pm

First sentence – conclusion without data (we are white and conservative).
As for the rest, I must express bafflement. To paraphrase you, we are all too stupid to understand the science of experimental data, so we must just accept what other scientists are telling us. Well, I for one, am a scientist, and I profoundly disagree with that statement – I feel I am well qualified to judge the work of other scientists. I can and do examine the data critically, and find it less than fully persuasive. That is how science works. Blind acceptance is more akin to religion.
I am frequently, often, wrong about all sorts of things. So? I have little in the way of ego that must be protected.
Your last sentence – the ratio has changed because additional carbon dioxide has been added to the atmosphere from fossil fuel sources. I am not aware that there is a large contingent disputing that fact. I am also not aware that constitutes proof of anthropogenic global warming hypotheses, seeing as they rely not solely on carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere (which would account for only a small percentage of the warming observed), but on an almost mystical belief in a high level of climate sensitivity, which is an entirely unrelated, unlikely, and so far, unproven theory. In fact, this is why many scientists in opposition to your pet theory describe themselves as “Luke warmers”, which means they acknowledge some warming from the additional carbon dioxide concentrations, but that such warming will be limited and relatively small.
It is hard to take you seriously when you obviously don’t even understand the theory you so ardently believe support.

fretslider
Reply to  Scorpion
April 24, 2017 1:32 am

people who are sincere in their beliefs
Are usually religious zealots.

Darryl S
April 21, 2017 6:34 pm

Donna, this is n excellent blog post. You articulated what I’ve been thinking on this topic better than I ever could have, my thanks.

Donna Hedley
April 21, 2017 7:31 pm

I have always appreciated the way people will discuss things here at WUWT, for the most part, with civility and the desire to give constructive feedback, which is exactly why I wanted when I submitted my article. I just happened to see this video and felt a need to express my frustration at Tyson’s inappropriate comment. One thing is very clear, you guys really don’t like Tyson. That’s ok. You have given me much to ponder. Thanks again for your help.

Tenn
Reply to  Donna Hedley
April 24, 2017 9:18 am

Rather than “like” and “don’t like” I would prefer “agree” and “don’t agree”. I find Dr. Tyson amiable, lively, entertaining, and interesting, despite not agreeing with him on a variety of issues. I have little doubt I would like him if I met him in person. I’d happily buy him a beer.
My objection is not to Dr. Tyson per se, but the endless elevation of him and his opinions by others.
There really does appear to be a cult of science these days. Groups of people who claim to love science…and yet most of them understand very little actual science. They worship and elevate scientific mediocrities, as long as those mediocrities confirm their preferred world view. I think it is no coincidence that the people they love and worship most of all tend to be the lower tier of credentialed people in their area of expertise.

April 21, 2017 7:40 pm

Good that you realized that Neil deGeasso Tyson has no scientific backing for his pro-warming stand. He has science degrees from Harvard and from Columbia which ought to prepare him to understand what is and what is not true in climate science. Except that these universities like many others have also have probably been taken over by global warming activists. I find this same problem with a number of scientific societies. The list of organizations I saw was more than half a page long and included societies that I belonged to at the time.The alarmists have successfully taken over their leadership and announce policies that the membership has never been consulted about. One particular act that sticks to mind is in this subject was the co-operation of the heads of US National Academy of Sciences and the UK Royal Society when they jointly declared their support for the global warming theory. When these “leaders” of the scientific community announce their support aqbout doctrines they like,say AGW, they do not ask the opinion of the membership. They take ir upon themselves to speak for the membership whose opinions are never consulted or known. These are just illegitimate way of supporting the non-existent global warming they want to promote. They make it hard but not impossible for people like Donna Hedley to discover the truth about warming.

whereismycoffee
Reply to  Arno Arrak (@ArnoArrak)
April 22, 2017 9:20 am

Have you considered as an alternative to all the respected scientific organizations and universities being hijacked by “alarmists”, that maybe you’ve been decieved? Maybe all these pet theories are never submitted for peer review because they don’t​ hold up under scrutiny?

Reply to  whereismycoffee
April 22, 2017 1:19 pm

whereismy coffee April 22 2017
Glad you mentioned peer review, coffee. They don;t need peer review to publish – they have buddy review as Climategate makes abundantly clear. And plenty of money to run multi-million-dollar supercomputers that in 29 years of trying still have failed to produce one believable climate forecast, That all started with James Hansen when he presented three climate predictions, A, B. and C, to the senate committee in 1988. It is impossible ti check his B and C predictions because he monkeyed with the environment for them. But his prediction A was business as usual, meaning no interference to change the outcome. He calculated it out for each year from 1988 to 2019. It was easy to compare his calculated values with what actually happened and what happened was a big round zero for his predictions. His theoretical temperature currve was nowhere close to the real temperatures, starting with his year one. If you are a scientist and you see that your apparatus is malfunctioning you stop using it. That is what should have been done with climate models, but no — they kept on running the faulty machine for the next 29 years despite its failure to produce any believable climate prediction during this time. That is a total waste off public resources but useful for presenting a false picture of climate to politicians. They have money to disperse from the public purse because if they don’t do it, or so they are told, the world will burn up as the forecasts prove.

thingadonta
April 21, 2017 7:48 pm

He has the same problem ultimately the Carl Sagan had. Science is worshiped for the good it does, but they both don’t realize or fail to address that science itself can become the problem, it can go down the wrong path, it can be hijacked for other purposes, it sometimes makes grave errors.

thingadonta
Reply to  thingadonta
April 21, 2017 7:58 pm

To follow up the above, Sagan often struggled to understand why the science of the Greeks and in the ancient world declined, why he said, didn’t the ancient Greeks go on to land on the moon?
Part of the answer is that the ancient scientists of the Grecian-Roman age began to act like an elite, exploiting the system for their own ends. They failed to continue to conduct research and decided to focus on pure thought and reason instead, actually abandoning and discrediting the use of the senses as ‘unreliable’, and to a large extent misleading. They preferred ‘models’, and these ‘models’ tended to benefit the status quo.
They looked down on the use of the ‘hand’ for example, as it was seen to be associated with the lower slave classes, manual labour and ‘physical’ things were seen as inferior, and this included physical and sense-related research, in a very real sense. This sort of thinking was an outcome of the social inequality and the slave society in which they existed. Basic science was undermined by an elitist mindset which preferred models and ideas to physical reality, and that tended to benefit themselves. So their ‘science’ declined. There are some parallels today.

Chimp
Reply to  thingadonta
April 22, 2017 9:41 am

Sagan labored under the false impression that cuneiform writing was chiseled into ceramics rather than being pressed into wet clay, then fired.
Aside from living in slave societies, the classical world lacked incentives for technological innovation. They had enough wood for their needs, for instance, unlike Europeans 1500 years later, who had to turn to coal. Their transport was mostly by slow oxen, lacking as they did horse collars. Their chemistry was bound to remain underdeveloped, since gunpowder hadn’t been invented yet. They similarly lacked lenses for microscopy and telescopes. Their system of arithmetic was clumsy.
In some areas, however, they came close. They understood the power of steam, but never put it to industrial use, again possibly because of abundant slave labor. Invention of the steam engine perhaps also needs the example of the cannon and the metalworking techniques artillery requires. The Romans at least did invent concrete.

Ancient Mariner
April 22, 2017 12:16 am

Anybody know French? De Grasse refers to his head.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Ancient Mariner
April 22, 2017 4:44 am

French taunting…

Interesting day tomorrow (Sunday) in France. Will we see a Frexit? If so, the Euro and the EU is gone.

Paul Sarkisian
April 22, 2017 4:43 am

I have been studying the output of a climate model which DOES perfectly model the world’s climate, including the myriad of climate variables, both known and unknown. I call this model The Earth. And after 30 years of output, 30 years on non-existent or tepid temperature increases, 30 years of slowing sea level rise, 30 years of ho-hum hurricane activity, 30 years of polar bear increases, and thirty years of failures by other less sophisticated models whose prediction are wrong more than by simply chance would allow, I hereby declare rising CO2 a non-issue.

Scobe
April 22, 2017 4:46 am

It is peculiar that one can be in denial of the science without a creditable alternate explaination​ for the remarkable transformation of the environment.
Deniers are religious in there convictions relying on the unknown. The great barrier Reef , dumbies, gone in 2 or 3 human generations.
No rocket science here kids, the exploitation of antique, ancient and prehistoric entropy is blasphomy. You may not be able to comprehend this, it’s not your fault, you’re just not sharp enough. And we have not the time to coddle the lesser intellects of the species.
Religion and democracy have homogenized intellect to the point where the dumbasses, 2/౩ of the population, have drawn us in to a it is my playground way of thinking.
The playground is for us to nurture not exploit.
Do you really believe the deniers while make the the genocide cut. We need to thin the herd
Wake up kids. Your parents have messed things up, primary because of the ease of life afforded to them by intellectual Prophets.

JohnKnight
Reply to  Scobe
April 22, 2017 6:35 pm

“Religion and democracy have homogenized intellect to the point where the dumbasses, 2/౩ of the population, have drawn us in to a it is my playground way of thinking.”
As opposed to the good old it is a few ruling elite’s playground way of thinking, eh?
I suggest not having blind faith in the masters, Scobe . .
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/04/05/falling-sea-level-the-critical-factor-in-2016-great-barrier-reef-bleaching/

mike
Reply to  Scobe
April 23, 2017 1:08 am

Let’s see now, we’ve got Scorpion and his buddies at MIT and Silicon Valley and elsewhere workin’ on their laser, death-ray blaster, i-phone app, that will be sure-fire guaranteed, out-of-the-box ready to zap all us good ol’ white-boy Trumpers and our Russkie allies into crispy-critter, pure-carbon oblivion (Google: “lena dunham white male extinction” for more along these lines).
And now we also have Scobe’s possibly drug-induced, indiscreet gibberings, which suggest an access to the candid conversations of our betters, of the sort, that is, spoken behind the backs of us coolie-trash, cull-fodder herdling-nobodies.
And sorting through Scobe’s mutant musings, we can, if we apply a filter, arrive at those core, Pavlovian-reflex convictions, that infect the remnants of Scobe’s brainwashed, front-row-kid, useful-idiot hive-brain:
PROBLEM: “Democracy and Religion” and the “dumbasses, 2/3 of the population.” (Whew!–only 2/3 of the population, usually the kill-crazy, lefty-pukes of Scobe’s persuasion speak more ambitiously in terms of 90% of the population).
SOLUTION: “We need to thin the herd” and “Do you really believe the deniers while [will?] survive the the [sic] genocide cut. [sic]” [sicko]
Have we been warned? Hmm…last century brought us the “Holodomor”, “Tambov Rebellion”, “Great Leap Forward”, “Cambodian Killing Fields”, and many other such population-reduction romps. So I wonder just what the hive has planned as their little “name” for that 21st century walk on the eugenics wild-side, of theirs, that seems to be afoot, even as we speak?
Regardless, interesting times we live in–especially for those lands that have incautiously embraced gun-control, I would say.

Guy
April 22, 2017 4:51 am

“This is a question that even Bill Nye could not answer.”
Is this subtle humor or does someone consider Bill Nye to be an eminent authority in something?

Reply to  Guy
April 22, 2017 6:20 am

I’m absolutely sure there’s no question that Bill Nye can’t answer. Whether the answer is backed up by facts and observation is a different issue! 🙂

dhedley
Reply to  Guy
April 22, 2017 7:01 am

The former. I lost all respect for Mr. Nye a long time ago. I was referring to his interview with Tucker Carlson.

Tenn
Reply to  dhedley
April 24, 2017 9:28 am

I must say, Bill Nye has certainly gotten impressive mileage out of a B.S in mechanical engineering from Cornell.

April 22, 2017 8:57 am

Neil doesn’t do that much science. He hasn’t been the lead author of many papers since his 1992 doctoral dissertation. His thing is over simplified pop history and science, often wrong. See Fact Checking Neil deGrasse Tyson.
But I have to say I agree that politicians should take global warming more seriously. Look at all the major population centers along the coasts. If the sea level rose, it’d be a disaster of biblical proportions. I don’t know if AGW would cause this. But the stakes are so high I would want to err on the side of caution.
Also there’s a finite supply of fossil carbon fuels. We should be making a more aggressive transition to nuclear and solar energy, insulating our homes, improving energy efficiency of our machines and devices.

Snarling Dolphin
April 22, 2017 9:07 am

I have a very reliable analog solar powered disingenuous BS meter. Built it myself starting in the 60’s. NdGT pegs it.

Greg
April 22, 2017 9:36 am

He’s playing the political game of “agree with me or I will ruin your career”.

April 22, 2017 1:54 pm

If you “love” Neil Tyson, and he is wrong about global warming, then what does that say about you?
Are his looks, or his charisma on TV, or his enthusiasm about science, more important than him being right about global warming, or at least being neutral on the subject?
You start out in the first paragraph (and title) making yourself sound like a silly girl teenager with a crush on Mr. Tyson … and then present an article we are supposed to take seriously?.
If Tyson is wrong about global warming, and he is, then then he SHOULD NOT BE TRUSTED ABOUT ANY SCIENCE SUBJECT — that would be a logical, unemotional, and typical male response to Mr. Tyson.
Learn from it.
Science is no place for emotions and “love” — science is about skepticism, data and logic.
You try to prove other scientists wrong.
You stop listening to them when they demonstrate they don’t know what they are talking about.
I can only imagine what horrible ridicule Tyson would launch at this website if asked to comment about it.
Tyson is a handsome, bad boy with charisma … and maybe you are so attracted to bad boys you can’t think straight!
Sorry, I know I have insulted you, but you deserve it — without that first paragraph gushing over Mr. Tyson, your article would have been fine … and consistent.

Kaiser Derden
April 22, 2017 2:33 pm

I agree with him when he says we need to become scientifically literate … maybe Neil should get busy doing that because as far as I can tell he is not …

Roland
April 22, 2017 2:33 pm

Whether you like it or not, the climate is experiencing high variability. Call it change or variability; the fact is something is happening and it is not like the population growth and food theory. We are seeing changes everywhere. The variables are diverse but the function of CO2 is evident whether from human sources or not. You should look at imageries across eras and travel more. Maybe vaccines are really also useless today.

Richard Bell
April 22, 2017 4:31 pm

What a truly wonderful article …… exactly my thoughts on the subject …… VERY WELL DONE

April 22, 2017 5:19 pm

I stopped reading after “I am not a scientist”. Then you write “many knowledgeable people who questioned the hypotheses”. Knowledgeable but not climate scientists.
Surely you don’t talk to your butcher about muscle pains? They are knowledgeable about meat but are not doctors.

Michael Todaro
April 22, 2017 6:49 pm

There is not one source in this article. You cannot just make claims that there are “hundreds” of studies that support your theory with no credible sources. This is the reason why scientific organizations and talking heads do not acknowledge these dissenting viewpoints. If you want to prove something to a scientist, you have got to have data. This is a constant source of frustration for me when looking at non mainstream news, there seems to be no effort made to show sources for their claims.

JohnKnight
Reply to  Michael Todaro
April 22, 2017 10:44 pm

Donna,
Thanks for an interesting “civilian’s” take on one of the (to my mind) more effective science propagandists.
(Pay no attention to the Socially retarded dickheads ; )

April 22, 2017 7:39 pm

It’s the amount of carbon in the air that I find alarming – more than a history of temperatures. Temperatures do swing over time, but now the Earth won’t be able to cool.
https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/

Mr Scruff
April 22, 2017 8:48 pm

Neil deGrasse Tyson, the Guy Fieri of science everyone!

April 22, 2017 10:59 pm

I used to disbelieve Anthropological Climate Change. The IPCC is certainly a political organization, not a scientific one.
The evidence has since convinced me. Honestly, I think if you don’t believe it, you simply haven’t looked at actual facts and data recently (as opposed to the current US Gov. executive administration’s “alternative facts.”)
With that said, there is a word in Donna’s blog that doesn’t belong there, “Catastrophic.” While there is a well over 99% consensus among scientists that this is happening, there’s NO consensus– not even a simple majority — that this is “catastrophic.” Even Bill Nye doesn’t believe it is catastrophic — on a recent AMA on Reddit, when asked what he thought the “worst case possible” would be if we did nothing about climate change, he said simply that “The quality of life for people everywhere will go down. There will be less food and less clean water available in the developed and the developing world. It’s reasonable that this will lead to conflict: more violence, more war. Here in the super-developed US, people will have to abandon homes in Miami, Galveston, Norfolk, and other coastal towns. It will lead to defaulted mortgages and people looking for jobs inland.” There’s no doom and gloom there; no dire predictions of a barren wasteland. His “worst case scenario” was some economic hardship, and some property loss along coastlines. This is hardly “catastrophic.” Also, keep in mind, many areas will be benefited by Climate Change. Canada and Siberia could double their agricultural capabilities and end up being the breadbaskets of the world. This doesn’t even take into account things like the “greening of the Sahara,” another unpublicized effect of warming temperatures.
Climate Change is not a doom-and-gloom apocalyptic prophecy, as much as eco-crazies would have you believe. It is, primarily, an economic issue. It cannot be solved with carbon taxes and such. It will require engineering and technology, to either slow it down, or simply find ways to minimize the negative effects. And I’m not worried about it — adversity has always made us advance as a species. The technologies we create to overcome this problem will benefit us in so many other ways. Elon Musk’s push for electric cars is going to have us all with phones that last 3x as long on a single charge within the next decade. Everyone benefits.
Neil is right – once we understand the facts, we can have political discussions about what to do. I’d be excited about this, but the orange guy in your white house appears determined to push our technology back a century. Coal power? REALLY?

takebackthegreen
Reply to  Jackie Price
April 23, 2017 5:19 am

Jackie:
Your comment is a mixed bag.
No sane person denies that the climate of our planet changes. Even the less than catastrophic events you buy into are unlikely, and/or unrelated to CO2. Humans can’t “stop” or slow down something we don’t even understand. Coal power is essential for the industrialization of Africa. Any attempts to deny that continent access to the same fuels by which every other nation has raised itself into the modern era are immoral. We can help ensure clean burning coal technologies are used, however.
My feeling is that your current beliefs about the issue put you into Bjorn Lomborg’s corner. If you haven’t seen the documentary “Cool It,” or read any of his writings, I highly recommend you do. He believes in AGW, but makes an irrefutable case for spending our current climate budget much more wisely than we are, and knocking it off with the “humans are a plague upon the earth, which is about to burst into flames” nonsense.
You should skim through this website also, and read any articles that interest you. Most of the important climate issues are covered repeatedly, even in essays ostensibly about other topics.

JohnKnight
Reply to  takebackthegreen
April 23, 2017 6:03 pm

“You should skim through this website also, and read any articles that interest you. Most of the important climate issues are covered repeatedly, even in essays ostensibly about other topics.”
Thing is, there’s no category up top there for learning the basics . . this site is geared for people who already know them, for the most part, it seems to me. As the “debate” as portrayed in the corporate mass media becomes less and less trustworthy in the eyes of an awakening general public, I think more and more people will come here wanting to get a better grasp of what is really going on within it.
I see an empty slot up there, that could be filled with something like~ ‘Watts Light‘ . . that could be a collection of articles geared more for the newbies, to get them up to speed, so they can better understand and appreciate the (to me) incredible collection of more advanced discussions Mr; Watts has amassed here . . and so become independent evaluators, and promulgators, of more realistic understandings of this important but now much confused topic . .

William Everett
April 23, 2017 7:30 am

It is difficult for me to see how one cubic foot of CO2 spread across each 2500 cubic feet of atmosphere has any measureable effect on the air temperature. Whatever happens to the heat radiated from the surface of the Earth has to happen in the five or so feet between the Earth’s surface and the temperature measuring devices located around the World. The “essence” of CO2 presently in the atmosphere would seem to have as much effect on temperature as 1/2500th inch thickness of steel would have slowing the speed of a fired bullet. Besides, If CO2 has warmed the atmosphere then where does the CO2 go during the documented pauses in warming that have occurred since World-wide temperature recording began in 1880?

JohnKnight
Reply to  William Everett
April 23, 2017 12:51 pm

William,
“If CO2 has warmed the atmosphere then where does the CO2 go during the documented pauses in warming that have occurred since World-wide temperature recording began in 1880?”
It’s not a matter of CO2 going anywhere when warming doesn’t occur . . it’s a matter of slightly less cooling going on all the time, because some of the heat from the Sun gets delayed a bit in leaving. The amount involved in such a delay is a tiny fraction of the total heating the Sun does to the planet all the time (and the cooling that goes on all the time too). Exactly how tiny is the zillion dollar question, so to speak.
Please bear in mind that the total heating involved is not just the few degrees range we normally experience and talk about, but the heating above absolute zero . . Even Antarctica is toasty compared to the temperature of empty space (−456 F, −270 C) so delaying the fall in temps toward that level, by a tiny amount, can result in a smidgen more warmth all the time.
“The “essence” of CO2 presently in the atmosphere would seem to have as much effect on temperature as 1/2500th inch thickness of steel would have slowing the speed of a fired bullet.”
Well, it would slow the bullet a tiny bit . . and that’s all we’re discussing with this “global warming” idea, a tiny bit. Like 450 degrees instead of 449.5 degrees. The CO2 is still there doing it’s itty bitty delay in cooling on a frosty morning, but it’s so small we don’t notice it. It may be so small we’ll never notice it, but it may be enough to eventually effect some things (for better or worse).
After studying the matter for several years, I conclude that it will mostly be a tiny benefit, on average, with a much greater benefit because plants will “love” the extra CO2 ; )

JohnKnight
April 23, 2017 12:58 pm

Anthony,
I think Dr. Ball is right . . “We” need to educate the public on the basics . .

Tenn
April 23, 2017 1:49 pm

If we are global warming deniers, what else can we call them but Global Warming Enthusiasts? It seems no matter what the argument, what the result, what the data, it always must conforms their hypothesis. That, in a nutshell, is not science. In fact is the very definition of a pseudoscience.
What separates astronomy from astrology? They both use data and make predictions. They track the stars and astral bodies. But what is the real difference? The difference is falsifiability. Like science, pseudoscience bases ideas on observation, but, unlike science, they advance propositions that are not open to the possibility of disproof. A real scientific theory asserts things that have a danger of being contradicted by as yet undiscovered facts. Indeed, science is entirely based on, and advanced by, the discovery of precisely such uncomfortable facts. Really good science clearly and completely spells out exactly what experiment or fact would disprove the theory.
A pseudoscience, by contrast, is never in danger of this embarrassment. Its propositions are designed to have the patina of science, but be immune to all contradictory evidence, because every imaginable state of affairs can somehow be reconciled with them.
So, is the theory of climate change science of pseudoscience? To answer that question simply ask – is there an experiment I might do, or fact I might uncover, that would change the conclusions regarding climate change? The answer is sadly, no. Climate change theory will simply incorporate each contrary fact as if that were always part of the prediction.
I get the sense of dread that all this pseudoscience aspect is so attractive to people because they see non-falsifiability as a feature, not a bug. They like that it can’t be disproven. They see that as the power of the thing itself –“you can’t prove me wrong, ergo I must be right!”

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