My response to Neil deGrasse Tyson about denial of science.
Guest essay by Donna Hedley
I love Neil deGrasse Tyson. He has done so much to make science interesting and understandable. He is wise and humble. His love for science is infectious. However, I think he is wrong when he talks about the denial of science, especially when it is about climate change.
I agree with him when he says we need to become scientifically literate and that is something I have endeavoured to do over the last few years. I have come to be better understanding of what science is, and how it works. I am not a scientist, but I do have a brain and believe I have come to some intelligent conclusions. Not only that, I am open minded enough to listen to alternative ideas. I want to know the truth, even if it means that someday, someone can prove the CO2 is a problem. But as of today, I am not convinced.
I started this journey because I wanted to prove to someone that Global Warming was real. Yes, there was a time that I believed in it.
After all, the scientists were saying so, and who was I to disagree? What I found out was there are many knowledgeable people who questioned the hypotheses. I also found out that in the science world, this is what is supposed to happen. People are not supposed to be put down because they had different ideas. If their ideas were unsound, science will figure it out in the end, if given the chance to do so.
I don’t claim to know or understand everything, but what I learned was enough to make me question the status quo on the subject Anthropological Catastrophic Climate Change (ACCC). I also learned that questioning is good. If you don’t ask questions, you will not learn anything thing.
Neil talks about people denying science. I would like him to explain to me, just who is denying science and what they are denying about science. From my studies, they don’t deny that the climate is changing, that it is a bit warmer then is was 100 years ago, or that mankind has had something to do with it. They just question by how much and if it is a real problem, and what percent of it is our fault. This is a question that even Bill Nye could not answer.
What about real denial, like the denial of medieval warm period, which happened approximately between 1000 to 1250 when temperatures were higher then today, and people prospered because of longer growing seasons, and Vikings lived on Greenland (which they can’t today because it just too cold)? What about the denial of the little ice age that lasted from about 1300 to 1870, when plagues and famine were rampant, and people died by the millions? Could it be that the warming we have been experiencing over the last 100 years might have been the planet still coming out of the ice age? Science is all about considering all angles of a topic, all the possibilities.
Neil talks about how someone makes a premise or hypothesis and then others look at it, and do experiments to confirm validity. Scientists are supposed to do their utmost to disprove a theory. If it can’t be disproven, then it should be considered as possibility true. But even when that happens, new evidence can materialize that could change the picture yet again. That is why science is never settled.
How can one do real world experiments when it needs to be done on the real world — that is, the entire planet. Consider how big the planet is. How will it ever to fit in a lab? And while CO2 has been proven to cause some warming, what experiment can prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that when you factor in all of the variables involved in influencing the climate, such as clouds, the sun, wind, and the ocean — to name only a few — that CO2 is the main reason for the warming? How can we be sure that we even know of all the variables that affect the climate? Can we be sure that there are no other variables involved that we are not even aware of yet? You know, the stuff that we don’t know that we don’t know. All I suggest is that there are too many variables, to many unanswered questions to say that we know enough about why the world is warming and what it really means, and therefore cannot be pinned totally on CO2 as the starting point. If it cannot be proven, then any of the additional arguments are irrelevant.
So how can we trust the the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) who’s sole purpose is to prove that CO2 is the only cause of ACCC and does not even consider looking at other possible causes? Why does the IPCC not even consider the 100s of papers – peer reviewed and published in excellent journals — which do not support ACCC? Is it because these papers might contradict their premise and purpose which is to prove that CO2 is the cause?
Since whole world experiments are somewhat impossible, scientists rely on models that give projections. But if they cannot fully understand all of the possible factors that effect climate, how can we rely on models. They give some ideas of what might happen, but they can’t really tell what will happen for sure. They are only guesses, possibilities, not guarantees. For example, over the past 30 years, many of the climate models predicted that snow would be a thing of the past by now. Well, here in Ottawa, we had snow this winter, and lots of it. It has been a long cold winter. This neither proves or disproves ACCC, but points to the fact that the models are not reliable.
There are many scientists that do not support the status quo on ACCC. They do research which presents alternative views. They get their papers reviewed and published. The problem is, their voices and views are just not heard, or, if we do hear about them, they are presented as villains and funded by big oil, which is usually not the case. They are accused of denying science. Yet, they are doing exactly what Neil says scientists should do. Why are their efforts any less relevant just because they don’t go along with the status quo?
Doesn’t that sound a little Orwellian, the idea that people with a different point of view are presented as somehow – evil? Take for instance the story of Dr. Judith Curry. While Neil is an intelligent and established scientist in his own right, he is not an actual climate scientist, like Dr. Curry. She has impeccable credentials, including 186 published journal articles and two books. She went along with the status quo on ACCC, believing it to be real and trusting in what she was being told about it. Until she started to really look at the details which made her change her mind.
Bam, she is now an oil funded climate denier. Funny how one minute she has no connections with big oil, and the next minute she is in their pay. I wonder how that happens? How ridiculous, and scary – and easy it is to be trashed for not going with the status quo. Here is what she had to say about why she changed her mind when she spoke at a recent senate hearing.
“Prior to 2010, I felt that supporting the IPCC consensus on human-caused climate change was the responsible thing to do. That all changed for me in November 2009, following the leaked Climategate emails, that illustrated the sausage making and even bullying that went into building the consensus.I came to the growing realization that I had fallen into the trap of groupthink in supporting the IPCC consensus. I began making an independent assessment of topics in climate science that had the most relevance to policy. I concluded that the high confidence of the IPCC’s conclusions was not justified, and that there were substantial uncertainties in our understanding of how the climate system works. I realized that the premature consensus on human-caused climate change was harming scientific progress because of the questions that don’t get asked and the investigations that aren’t made. We therefore lack the kinds of information to more broadly understand climate variability and societal vulnerabilities.As a result of my analyses that challenge the IPCC consensus, I have been publicly called a serial climate disinformer, anti-science, and a denier by a prominent climate scientist. I’ve been publicly called a denier by a U.S. Senator. My motives have been questioned by a U.S. Congressman in a letter sent to the President of Georgia Tech.”
https://judithcurry.com/2017/03/29/house-science-committee-hearing/
She is a scientist with distinction and integrity. But when she looked at the evidence and decided that things were not what they seemed, she instantly became a villain. How can this behaviour be justified in the name of science?
When the models of the past 30 years don’t work, when the best they can come up with to prove CO2 causes catastrophic global warming is using terms like “likely”, when top scientist, who exemplifies distinction and integrity, is accused of being funded by big oil when they are not, when there are many scientists have peer reviewed papers that have alternative findings, you kind of have to pause and consider, maybe the “deniers” have a point.
You don’t have to agree with me – I won’t vilify you if you don’t. My purpose is not necessarily to change your mind, but to present some reasons why you might at least be willing to consider that if someone like Judith Curry could change her mind because she realized that she was not being told the whole truth, maybe you might consider it as well. And maybe, Neil deGrasse Tyson, as awesome as he is, is mistaken.
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Neil deGasse Tyson is a liar. and like all liars, he does not warn you when he lies. So it is up to you to find out when he is lying. That make him unreliable. Unreliable on small matters, and unreliable an big matters.
Lying is not the same as making honest mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. When you know better, and you deliberately say a lie or refrain from telling a truth when you know that people are relying on you, that makes you a dangerous liar.
I have caught Neil deGasse Tyson in a handful of lies. He can’t be trusted. He is a fiction propagandist.
I just watched the video. Smooth and impressively composed. The word “truth” is used as though it is something manufactured by experimenters. But does Tyson honestly think that peer review is an incorruptible constraint against error?
Not incorruptible, but the best system we have. What do you propose as an alternative?
Open review.
Provide your methods and data to everyone who asks and allow them to try to find problems with it.
The current system is more pal review than peer review, under which all parties agree to rubber stamp each others studies and hide everything from the masses.
Can you point me to an example of a detailed scientific paper that was thoroughly reviewed and vetted using open review?
If it hasn’t been done, it can’t be done.
Good thing you weren’t around when the Wright brothers were building their airplane.
Red teams, though to vet not just one paper, but a claimed consensus of papers.
“If it hasn’t been done, it can’t be done.” No, I’m asking for an example. Certainly out of all the web sites discussing matters of science, this has been tried before.
Haha, zero evidence provided for a system MarkW says will absolutely be better than peer review. It’ll be better because everyone will provide their feedback on issues with the data, assumptions and models, and then automagically everyone will come to agreement on which is the correct answer.
Yeah, right. I’ve seen examples of open review on WUWT (at least a blog version of it). Monckton, for example, has posted articles proposing that climate change feedback systems can be modeled using electrical circuit diagrams. Even fellow climate change skeptics have said this is not a valid way to model it. Monctkon has disagreed, saying it is valid. There was no resolution, no conclusion drawn. So where’s the resolution? Who casts the deciding vote?
Chris
Peer review was never the best system, at least in the scientific arena. Peer review was and is a method in which it is deemed your contribution is adequate to be allowed into the general body of scientific knowledge. It does not confer any correctness on the work more than that. It is not a certificate of qualification or acceptance that occurs in real life applications. Repetition or superseding of your work by another is generally how an idea or result progresses. Rebuttals happen much less frequently than people think. Most people just reference someone new or do new work. Humans are lazy like that.
In engineering and other technical fields, peer review is only part of the process of qualification and acceptance. The process with strict verification is how something can be deemed “correct” in as good a sense as we can.
The idea that peer review in science somehow means something is even properly “reviewed” is laughable. Another myth for people who don’t choose to look into it.
Any peer review process, whether more selective or more open, must operate with integrity if it is to be useful to expose and correct error. Openness is better. The core problem is error.
Chris writes
I guess you have pretty limited exposure to climate blogs. There are quite a few that are very technical.
Timthetoolman,
Point me to a web site where a paper on climate change is reviewed, discussed, and appropriate changes to the author(s)’ data, analysis or conclusions are resolved.
Climate Audit.
The problem is that flaws are rarely resolved by the author as they’re not usually taking part and nobody likes to be roasted. But then again a review isn’t supposed to resolve, it’s supposed to find issue. And find bad science.
I believe the Doctor of Philosophy in Astrophysics ( http://documents.mx/documents/neil-degrasse-tyson.html ), exhibits a bit of hubris. A philosopher that is telling his flock of acolytes that he has the answers and everyone should ignore all others.
Hmm, that sounds unscientific. I can think of several more descriptive terms.
Brad-DXT
Doctor of Philosophy is the actual name of the qualification on your Ph.D. certificate. It is a nod to the old days. It doesn’t mean you are a philosopher only. I could have had the exact same qualification as my undergrad degree is in Astrophysics but I chose to do condensed matter physics instead for my doctorate.
Are you saying that he is not a Doctor of Philosophy with an undergrad degree in Astrophysics? Is he to be considered having a doctorate in Astrophysics? It has been several decades since I even considered attaining anything more than a Bachelors but I thought the first mentioned title was dependent on the doctoral thesis and philosophy was the easy way to get there.
I have a MS in Aero Engrg from RPI. I worked for 40 years in the aerospace industry designing jet engines. FOr the most part we hired BS and MS candidates, but occasionally a manager would become enthralled with a diploma and would insist on a PhD. They seldom worked out because they couldn’t stay focused on the task at hand and balked at doing the grunt work of basic aerodynamics, THey soon left for perceived greener pastures. We callled their degres post hole diggers or piled higher and deeper.
NdGT = IdI0T
Andrew
He’s not a complete idiot…..some bits still missing.
OK,
NdGT = Idi-t
I don’t understand what people have to gain about denying the truth… Global warming is real. There was a time when cars and machines didn’t burn fuel. Now that there is we need to accept the consequences and be more conservative when it comes to the bio some.
So we need to head back to the pre-industrial?
Ryan D Jones April 21, 2017 at 11:00 am
“I don’t understand what people have to gain about denying the truth… Global warming is real.”
Your first three words, the most honest intelligent three words anyone can speak. “I don’t understand”
You spoke them, you recognized the situation. You do not understand. So how can you say with any certainty the following, “Global warming is real.”
re-evaluate your assumptions and seek more information. Your viewpoints may change.
michael
It is a big leap from minor global warming to CAGW.
“It is a big leap from minor global warming to CAGW.”
And that minor global warming is all within the Earth’s climate’s natural variation. It’s been a lot warmer in the recent past, such as in the 1930’s. The 1930’s heat wasn’t caused by human-caused CO2, yet it was hotter then than now, so why should we assume that the slight warming we have had recently is in any way attributable to human-caused CO2?
I don’t love Tyson at all. He’s a typical neo-marxist/academic. And his “remake” of the original, wonderful “Cosmos” series by Sagan was horrendous and an insult to the original.
Slice him where you will, he’s just chasing the almighty dollar like everyone else. But he insists he’s an altruist bent on saving the planet.
But brians356, there’s a huge difference between those who chase the dollar by hard, honest, productive work and those who use other means
“…typical neo-marxist/academic.” +10
And huckster. Every time I see him, he reminds of a Snake Oil salesman you’d see in a Western movie and my Father’s often spoken admonishment comes instantly to mind, “Believe nothing of what you read, and only half of what you see and hear.”
beng135: I loved the original “Cosmos” series, though Dr. Sagan did wander into the political thickets at times. Mr. Tyson’s remake/update of the Cosmos series showed that dazzling CGI graphics couldn’t hide the fact that he was not nearly as good at presenting Astronomy as Dr. Sagan was.
Agreed for the most part with Ms. Hadley, excepting my feelings toward Tyson–they aren’t as kind, given his stature in media, he shouldn’t espouse or profess things that are so full of uncertaincies.
As far as the Vikings’ situation, I believe they’re firmly rooted in Minnesota now, and wouldn’t be interested in Greenland even if they could move there.
Pardon, that should read “Ms. Hedley”
Yah, and uncertainties. PEBKAC errors…
Minnesota, yah sure, and the Dakotas, Montana, N. Idaho, Washington.
“Bam, she is now an oil funded climate denier.”
Yes indeed. This brings to mind a ‘discussion’ I had with a bona fide climatist who has a newspaper column at his command.
He was pumping the ‘IPCC scientists say’ appeal to authority. I pointed out that Richard Lindzen did not entirely agree with the alarming claims made by the IPCC.
BAM! a tobacco apologist and fossil fuel funded denier!
Well, as he was using the IPCC as his authorized version of the climate bible, I pointed out that if Lindzen were corrupt and not credible, that then so were the assessment reports that Dr. Lindzen had had a hand in creating while acting as an IPCC lead author, no less. By logical extension, then, the fact that IPCC had accepted Lindzen’s work on the assessment, means that it is an unreliable authority.
This was to no apparent effect.
What does worry me, is WHY the columnists lie about stuff. Is it just that they don’t bother to fact check their slurs, or is it that they are true believers and have decided that the ends justify any means. Or is it that they have an overriding social agenda that cynically employs climate fear as a tool to bring about those ends?
“What does worry me, is WHY the columnists lie about stuff. Is it just that they don’t bother to fact check their slurs, or is it that they are true believers and have decided that the ends justify any means. Or is it that they have an overriding social agenda that cynically employs climate fear as a tool to bring about those ends?”
Everyone wants to know the answers to those questions.
No doubt it is a combination of all those things, but I don’t know what percentage could be ascribed to each. I personally think most are True Believers whose minds just automatically reject any argument that doesn’t fit with their worldview, and they carry on as if their worldview is representative of reality. Anyone who doesn’t agree with their worldview just doesn’t get it, in their minds.
Human psychology is a fascinating subject. I think things like the controversy over whether humans are causing the climate to change, the way the MSM does its reporting, are exposing us to some valuable insights into human thinking and self-delusion.
His CV is pretty weak for a practicing astrophysicist. Most of it seems to be committee papers.
Hi Donna,
I am not a fan of Niel since he is toeing the CAGW party line, though I appreciate your article for how you came to your skeptical position on the CAGW topic. I, like you was in the “believe the scientists” group until I get more info, and as I found more information my skepticism grew. One thing that struck me on my journey to understand CAGW, was how almost any question, no matter how logical or small, that even suggested doubt in the “fact man was the evil culprit” or that the data may not be supportive of the conclusion “it was all man’s fault” was met with derision, ridicule, name calling etc… That part pushed me to dig deeper into the CAGW topic and lead me here to WUWT!!! Those that express the truth generally welcome honest open debate/conversation, which is the opposite of what the CAGW party do.
Cheers and thanks for sharing your story!
Joe
“Those that express the truth generally welcome honest open debate/conversation, which is the opposite of what the CAGW party do.”
Exactly.
I’ve haven’t heard of Mr. Neil deGrasse Tyson before. At first I thought it might be another boxing champion, not sort of person to publicly criticise. Then I listened to the short video, may be a preacher I thought. Google tells me that Mr. Neil deGrasse Tyson is an American astrophysicist, author, and science communicator.
Well, none of these: astrophysicist, author, and or science communicator qualify Mr. Tyson to proclaim absolute truth in science or anywhere else.
As far as I’m concerned ‘the science at the best is an ‘illustration’ of reality as we understand it at this moment in time’.
Unfortunately these guys who have a public profile as a science communicator – we have David Attenborough & Prof. Brian Cox over here similarly – will instantly lose their position as such if they go against the ‘consensus’. It’s a very strong motivation to stay in line. To quote (yet again) Upton Sinclair: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!”
Right–the BBC’s main science guy of 15- or 20-some years ago lost his job when he expressed climate skepticism.
Or perhaps they fully agree with the consensus on AGW.
Meanwhile, we have reached “The End Of Snow” as predicted, where the ski resorts around Lake Tahoe must make do with a paltry 300% of average snow pack. Sad!
https://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/ftpref/data/water/wcs/gis/maps/west_swepctnormal_update.pdf
Snowy California set for all‑year skiing
“Squaw Valley, near Lake Tahoe, has had almost 60 feet of snow since the season began. If the weather remains favourable, the resort’s chief executive hopes to keep at least one lift running throughout the summer and autumn.
Andy Wirth told a local broadcaster on Truckee Tahoe Radio that the weather at the resort had veered from historic to biblical.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/snowy-california-set-for-all-year-skiing-wjbnbz3c7
Short memory has Andy. Only six years ago Squaw Valley had received 13 more inches of accumulated seasonal snowfall by this date, and went on to receive 100 more inches by 1 June 2011!
http://squawalpine.com/skiing-riding/weather-conditions-webcams/squaw-valley-snowfall-tracker/?tab=ui-id-7
I began watching this with an open mind, but he lost me when he started talking about science in politics. The two should be as separate as Church and State.
Also, I have read many scientific and peer reviewed papers on climate change. None of them say it isn’t happening, as it’s been happening since the dawn of the Earth. What has NOT been proven, no matter how much politics want to subvert science and vice versa, is that humans are a main cause. That hypothesis remains unproven.
Angela,
That hypothesis has repeatedly been shown false. There is no evidence supporting the conjecture that humans are primarily or even significantly responsible for “climate change”. We have local effects, maybe even regional, but they’re not a pimple on the posterior of natural variations over which as yet we have no control.
Chimp, I agree. Solar cycles and ocean oscillation are far larger drivers of an ever changing climate than man. Yes, we do pollute water and air, but that does not equate to having anything to do with “global warming”. The money grubbing alarmists can’t seem to separate the two issues, however and now they have power hungry politicians to help spread the false narrative. Science has gotten into bed with politics and that disastrous relationship needs to end.
Sad but true. Warmunistas have damaged science since 1980 just as eugenics did after 1880.
The area of localities in which humans have had a measurable effect on microclimates covers but a tiny portion of the surface of the planet, such as some urban spaces and irrigated valleys. The effect is within measurement error.
I’m showing my ignorance here, but has anyone in climate science explained the general cooling since the Holocene optimum?
Tyson is making it the same gross error of scientific judgment as the majority of the government funded politically correct establishment scientists. His view is too short term .The climate model forecasts, on which the entire Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming meme rests, are structured with no regard to the natural 60+/- year and, more importantly, 1,000 year periodicities that are so obvious in the temperature record. The modelers and Tyson’s approach is simply a scientific disaster and lacks even average commonsense. It is exactly like taking the temperature trend from, say, February to July and projecting it ahead linearly for 20 years beyond an inversion point. The models are generally back-tuned for less than 150 years when the relevant time scale is millennial. The IPCC future temperature projections depend in addition on the Representative Concentration Pathways (RCPs) chosen for analysis. The RCPs depend on highly speculative scenarios, principally population and energy source and price forecasts, dreamt up by sundry sources. The cost/benefit analysis of actions taken to limit CO2 levels depends on the discount rate used and allowances made, if any, for the positive future positive economic effects of CO2 production on agriculture and of fossil fuel based energy production. The structural uncertainties inherent in this phase of the temperature projections are clearly so large, especially when added to the uncertainties of the science already discussed, that the outcomes provide no basis for action or even rational discussion by government policymakers.
Climate is controlled by natural cycles. Earth is just past the 2004+/- peak of a millennial cycle and the current cooling trend will likely continue until the next Little Ice Age minimum at about 2650.See the Energy and Environment paper at http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0958305X16686488
and an earlier accessible blog version at http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com/2017/02/the-coming-cooling-usefully-accurate_17.html
Here is the abstract for convenience :
“ABSTRACT
This paper argues that the methods used by the establishment climate science community are not fit for purpose and that a new forecasting paradigm should be adopted. Earth’s climate is the result of resonances and beats between various quasi-cyclic processes of varying wavelengths. It is not possible to forecast the future unless we have a good understanding of where the earth is in time in relation to the current phases of those different interacting natural quasi periodicities. Evidence is presented specifying the timing and amplitude of the natural 60+/- year and, more importantly, 1,000 year periodicities (observed emergent behaviors) that are so obvious in the temperature record. Data related to the solar climate driver is discussed and the solar cycle 22 low in the neutron count (high solar activity) in 1991 is identified as a solar activity millennial peak and correlated with the millennial peak -inversion point – in the RSS temperature trend in about 2004. The cyclic trends are projected forward and predict a probable general temperature decline in the coming decades and centuries. Estimates of the timing and amplitude of the coming cooling are made. If the real climate outcomes follow a trend which approaches the near term forecasts of this working hypothesis, the divergence between the IPCC forecasts and those projected by this paper will be so large by 2021 as to make the current, supposedly actionable, level of confidence in the IPCC forecasts untenable.””
Nothing new under the Sun. Hitler had 100 scientists – including Nobel Prize winners – denounce one inconvenient (Jewish) Einstein.
You have a very, very high opinion of this TV hack. Based on what? His research? His pathbreaking ideas? Where do you end up when you compare him with Bohr, Feynman,Dirac, Fermi…Tyson is a total back-bencher. Add to that his use of the ‘denier’ term. That isn’t simply scientifically questionable. It’s downright stupid.
Sorry, but it is professionally irresponsible to double as a political and advocacy tool at the expense of fact checkers and science itself. I draw the line there.
When is the last time Tyson has published anything academic or peer reviewed? Mostly he publishes for profit and for entertainment. He is not a climate expert and his opinions on that are about as reliable as Bill Nye’s -also not a climate expert and in Nye’s case not a scientist at all.
How many climate experts are contributors or commenters on WUWT?
“How many climate experts are contributors or commenters on WUWT?”
I don’t know, but I’ll bet just about every darn one of them can tell the difference between speculation and evidence, whether they are climate expert or not.
From 2:10 to 2:17 in the video when talking about peer review Tyson says: “An hypothesis, you test it, I get a result. A rival of mine double checks it, because they think I might be wrong. They perform an even better experiment than I did and they find out hey! This experiment matches.”
I would consider the hockey stick confirmation scientists more like pals than “rivals”. However the “rivals” probably said: “Hey! This hockey stick is B… S…!”
Yup. The next ‘experiment by Pages2k uses centered principle components and upside down Tiljander and confirms Mann. Both wrong.
Celebrity scientists like Tyson are often interviewed and asked to expound on subjects which they actually know very little. As an astrophysicist, deGrasse Tyson knows that CO2 absorbs infrafred radiation, and that the amount of warming of air inside a sunlit container due to added CO2 can be calculated by a scientist. Ergo, “the science is settled”. But, in reality,only to the extremely cursory point that he has been taught as a byproduct of his astrophysics background. Another couple of years’ study of meteorology, atmospheric thermodynamics, and atmospheric physics, and and he might be a little more enlightening about what is “settled” and what is “speculative”. Unfortunately, those details would bore the TV audience….
I had pretty much the same experience just about 10 years ago, of looking for the proof of manmade warming, in order to be able to respond to “climate cranks”, who “had” to be wrong, and discovering they weren’t. Oh the ironing.
I detest Neil deGrasse Tyson. He is an arrogant jerk.
He is also dead wrong about the climate and CAGW.
How could you “Love” tyson? Have you never heard his “facts” on theories? And how they are not theories but indeed facts. Which is to say that he is indeed a closed minded fool, aka, a bigot….
Ma Nature is having the last word. NDGT will eventually have to eat his. Except for the now cooled 2015-16 El Nino blip, no warming this century (except by Karlization) despite it being ~35% of the CO2 increase since 1958 (Keeling curve inception). No acceleration in SLR. No tropical troposphere hotspot as modelled. Observational ECS half of CMIP5. Polar bears thriving. Greening. Renewables intermittent and unviable without continued subsidies.
“Observational ECS half of CMIP5.” ….The problem is that ESC is not an observable parameter.
Typo: The problem is that ECS is not an observable parameter.
Read Lewis and Curry 2014. They have done it using IPCC observational inputs. Moreover, they itnfor different periods to wash out as much as possible natural ocean cycles. It is calculable from observations.
While you can’t get an exact number for ECS from just observations, you can set the bounds for what the number has to be from observations.
The fact that the planet hasn’t warmed noticeably in 20 years despite a more than 30% increase in CO2 is sufficient to prove that whatever ECS is, it has to be small.
Ristvan: Estimates arrived at by calculation are not “observations”.
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“……made careful use of estimates of effective radiative forcings and planetary heat uptake from the recently published IPCC 5th assessment Working Group 1 report (AR5) to derive estimates for equilibrium/effective climate sensitivity (ECS)…..”
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They used “estimates” to derive other “estimates”…..
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MarkW: Setting bounds is not measuring ECS.
MarkW, “climate” is typically defined as the average of a 30 year timespan, not 20: http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1987/plot/rss/from:1987/trend
When looking at climate drivers with cycles of 60-plus years, 30 years doesn’t seem to cut it.
“Remember Galalio was imprisoned for life for questioning the consensus wisdom of the time and only recently was pardoned by the Catholic church.”
I brought this up to my wife when watching the Cosmo special. Episode after episode about questioning dogma only to turn around at the end and basically say if you don’t believe the dogma of climate science you’re a fool. I stopped watching at that point. He’s either clueless about that being what he’s doing, or a deliberate hypocrite and I don’t have time to be preached at by either.
bingo the man either is NOT intelligent on any level or he is a LIAR.
What a coincidence…it was at that same time when his statements about skeptics being fools, that I just quit watching him, period. I thought the general definition of a scientist, is that they use skepticism by following the Scientific Method. Sad, but I hope Neil can get back on track with the program, and I suspect he will when he senses the tide has turned on CAGW. Sadder, there is no hope for Bill Nye, the Ignorant Science Guy.