‘Scientists have to take to the streets’: Climate alarm goes past 11, now up to 12!

Professor John Joachim Schellnhuber, Climate Adviser to the Pope dials up the alarm, not to 11, but to TWELVE.

“Planet could warm by 12 degrees, I have all the evidence” “Scientists have to take to the streets to counter denial”

“If we want to hold the 1.5 degrees [Celsius; 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit]  line, which is the ambitious goal of the Paris agreement, we have maybe 300 billion tons left – more or less the budget of 10 years – if we do business as usual. If we want to hold the 2 degrees line, which is more realistic, we have another 20 to 30 years to go, but no more actually. So it’s a very tight budget.

It’s quite mind-boggling – for example, by 2030, we have to phase out the combustion engine. And we have to completely phase out the use of coal for producing power. By 2040 we will probably have to replace concrete and steel for construction by wood, clay and stone.

Hans_Joachim_Schellnhuber_mit_Globus-300x254[1]We are at the crossroads now: We either say: this thing is too big for us, this task cannot be done. [Then] we will be transformed by nature, because we will end up with a planet warming by 4, 5, 6 or even 12 degrees. It would be the end of the world as we know it, and I have all the evidence.”

Interview: Schellnhuber: ‘Scientists have to take to the streets’ to counter climate denial [h/t to Dennis Ambler]

Heck, why not just go to 15C or 20C, and really get people worried? I’m sure there’s a model for that.

There’s also a model for this particular kind of doomsday thinking.

In case you missed the pun about 12, see this.

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Schrodinger's Cat
March 16, 2017 10:54 am

He is obviously getting hot under the collar.

Reply to  Schrodinger's Cat
March 16, 2017 12:25 pm

Does this mean that the Pope will have to go without air conditioning?

Reply to  Ken
March 16, 2017 1:29 pm

No because the Pope is already 100% green.
Cooled by the wings of the angels above and heated by some kind of geological furnace below.

Reply to  Ken
March 16, 2017 10:00 pm

That geological furnace is fueled by dead pedophile priests burning in hell.

Jan Christoffersen
Reply to  Schrodinger's Cat
March 17, 2017 8:50 am


Not really possible for him. Schnellhuber is the only scientist I know whose picture suggests he is asleep with his eyes open.

Reply to  Jan Christoffersen
March 18, 2017 1:19 am

You should even hear him talking with bavarian accent, snootily and uppish…

My pocket knife opens automatically when I hear him. (Bavarian joke)

March 16, 2017 10:55 am

This guy isn’t crying wolf, he’s crying a whole wolf pack!

Reply to  Thebla
March 16, 2017 12:40 pm

Naw, he is just pushing exactly Agenda 2030, nothing more, nothing less. Everything is the UN and their goal to de-industrialize the Western World.

Giving up concrete and rebar for wood, clay, and stone? Yeah, righttttt …..

Reply to  higley7
March 16, 2017 2:45 pm

By 2040 we will probably have to replace concrete and steel for construction by wood, clay and stone.

Yeah ! We can all go back to living in mud huts like they do in Africa. Eco-paradise on Earth.

Reply to  higley7
March 16, 2017 3:18 pm

Greg—That was my thought, too. I can’t count how many times global warming advocates have crucified me for saying that is the goal of the movement, yet, there it is. In writing.

DC Cowboy
Reply to  higley7
March 17, 2017 5:32 am


When I saw that I choked on my morning coffee. Does he understand what wind turbines are made out of, what the frames holding large photovoltaics and things like Ivanpah Solar are made out of? I wonder which of stone or clay has the better solar conversion efficiency/

And hey, all those steel workers and construction workers, auto factories (can we make cars ala the ‘Flintstones”?), etc can get new jobs in the clay pits stomping straw into the clay to make stronger bricks.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  higley7
March 17, 2017 10:07 am

Yes, especially in earthquake prone areas, since this feeds the “green dream” of “human population reduction” (of you know, those OTHER people, never themselves!).

Reply to  Thebla
March 16, 2017 3:00 pm

with a planet warming by 4, 5, 6 or even 12 degrees.

At least it seems that he is quite honest about the margin of uncertainty in climate science. That is a refreshing change.

Now if he would just divide all his numbers by four, he would be about in line with IPCC ranges.

But , hell, no one ever changed the world by being honest, did they?

Reply to  Greg
March 16, 2017 4:14 pm

Divide by four and subtract two, then probably a pretty realistic forecast.

Reply to  Greg
March 17, 2017 7:08 pm

This twit doesn’t seem to understand that dividing a dial into 12 increments instead of 10 just makes each step smaller. Of course, he doesn’t seem to actually understand much of anything.
“By 2040 we will probably have to replace concrete and steel for construction by wood, clay and stone.” He doesn’t realize that with wood, clay, and stone cities would necessarily either increase in area or increase in number. 4-6 stories is the highest buildings can go without steel and concrete. No more skyscrapers allowing people to live and work in small areas. So much more commuting, requiring even more steel and concrete as foundations for solar panels and windmills. The skyscrapers would probably have to capped off at 6-10 stories just to get raw materials.

As Forrest Gump would say: stupid is as stupid does.

Reply to  Thebla
March 16, 2017 5:49 pm

Thebla , this guy is unhinged. Remember just a few years ago people that were like him were standing on street corners with placards around their necks ” The end is near” or they were in sanitariums.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  asybot
March 17, 2017 8:30 pm

The one that looked like Schellnhuber, was Harold Camping with his “Rapture” forecasts.
Harold did not live to see the end of the world. He died in December 2013.
They look somewhat alike. Do the search.
Schellnhuber, if not already as brain dead as he looks, will not see the doom either.

March 16, 2017 10:55 am

Yes, it’s bad when you have to invoke the Spinal Tap model.

Greg F
Reply to  jpatrick
March 16, 2017 6:23 pm

In the early 70’s it was pretty common in rock and roll circles to refer to a guitar player that played to loud as turning it up to 11.

March 16, 2017 10:56 am

Spinal tap!!!!

March 16, 2017 10:57 am

Anyone who missed the reference should be ashamed of themselves.

Thank you for answering the age old question, what if you are on 11 and playing your heart out and you want to dial it up just a little bit more, but you’re already on 11? Add a 12!

Reply to  tim maguire
March 16, 2017 11:18 am

Not really.

Spinal tap is an american cult classic, but not everybody browsing WUWT is american.

M Courtney
Reply to  urederra
March 16, 2017 11:58 am

Well known in the UK too.
As is this relevant and excellent XKCD cartoon.

Reply to  urederra
March 16, 2017 12:01 pm

Most brits of a certain age know about spinal tap, it was supposedly about a British heavy metal band after all 🙂

Reply to  urederra
March 16, 2017 12:15 pm

Well, let me rephrase. Not everybody who reads WUWT is a native English speaker.

Reply to  urederra
March 16, 2017 2:08 pm

Nor are they part of some cult or whatever.

Reply to  urederra
March 16, 2017 3:40 pm

I like this one

Reply to  tim maguire
March 16, 2017 12:40 pm

Shell-hummer … sorry dude, you missed out. !!

Not enough cow bells !!

Nigel S
Reply to  tim maguire
March 16, 2017 1:40 pm

Some years ago I took a neighbour to court to get an order to stop his playing music at ear splitting volume at all hours. His excuse was “they wouldn’t make the amplifiers controls like that if you weren’t supposed to turn them up to full volume”. The magistrates were not impressed, I got my order and he started using the headphones I had already bought him.

Reply to  tim maguire
March 16, 2017 2:16 pm

I use the 24-hour scale on my watches!

Eamon Butler
Reply to  AndyE
March 16, 2017 5:53 pm

Betcha Schellnhuber’s watch goes to 25.

March 16, 2017 11:00 am

Serf’s UP!
You will pry my Dodge Dakota out of my cold, dead, fingers….

Bryan A
Reply to  tgmccoy
March 16, 2017 12:08 pm

Can I park my Hummer on top of yout Smart (dumb) car?

Reply to  Bryan A
March 16, 2017 2:25 pm

Right after my Tundra eats a Prius.

Reply to  Bryan A
March 16, 2017 10:03 pm

My Ram eats Turdras

Reply to  Bryan A
March 17, 2017 5:57 am

So does my neighbor’s dog.

March 16, 2017 11:00 am

I suggest we leave the climate to the Pope. Climate always has been the divine speaking tube.
Also, praying is better because it does not interfere with grid stability.

Kalifornia Kook
Reply to  David
March 16, 2017 12:42 pm

Oh, I like that. Perfect. The Pope can just merge two religions into one. We’ll have God the Father, and Gaia the Mother. What perfect balance! Everyone will love Mother and fear God.
It won’t be the first time the Church has merged pagan beliefs with Christianity. He’s not really breaking new ground.

Reply to  Kalifornia Kook
March 17, 2017 4:09 am

Secularization has moved the moral compass from the church to the environmental institutes. Mother Earth is the replacement of God (after gender change) But nobody will call his bike or the bricks of his home “mother” . The earth is our lumberyard, no choice. Religion is a firewall against existential fears and the church managed this fears by answering questions about the unknown. The environmentalists however exploit our fears as a succesfull business model. Any exploration of the (mother) earth now generates intense fears for the revenge of God. Legal experts were keen to concide “ecocide” as the fifth crime against humanity.
Environmental lawyers as wrath of God: the new inquisition.

DC Cowboy
Reply to  David
March 17, 2017 5:36 am

Are you saying that ‘Climate Change is a transmitter for speaking to God’?

Reply to  DC Cowboy
March 17, 2017 6:02 am

“the future is in God’s hand” means, translated for atheists: “we do not know the future but we have faith in human ingenuity” God is another word for “the unknown” . Life is a miracle.
So, unknown or little understood phenomena are expressions of God.

March 16, 2017 11:03 am

“Climate Adviser to the Pope”

Seriously, why does the Pope need a Climate Adviser?


Reply to  Bad Andrew
March 16, 2017 11:20 am

to write the eleventh commandment?

Reply to  urederra
March 16, 2017 11:33 am

Plus many. Nice joke.

Sceptical lefty
Reply to  urederra
March 16, 2017 3:51 pm

Eleventh Commandment? ‘Thou shalt not be found out.’

In any case, this guy has his back to the wall. His career, his whole ‘raison d’etre,’ is threatened. It’s hardly surprising that he spouts rash hyperbole under the circumstances. It’s very, depressingly human.

Reply to  urederra
March 16, 2017 7:03 pm

I thought the eleventh was “Do unto others, then run like hell”.

Phil R
Reply to  urederra
March 17, 2017 11:31 am


It’s “Do unto others before they do unto you.”

john harmsworth
Reply to  Bad Andrew
March 16, 2017 11:22 am

To tell him when to come in out of the rain?

Reply to  Bad Andrew
March 16, 2017 2:26 pm

Because everyone knows “woo-woo” is Big Business nowadays. Placating the Spirits (of Davos) and all that!

Reply to  Bad Andrew
March 16, 2017 4:36 pm

He is the head of 1 billion people. He probably needs an adviser on just about everything. Except religious stuff, he gets that direct from the Boss.

Reply to  seaice1
March 17, 2017 5:16 am

Does he need an advisor on Farming? Physics? Automotive design? Poetry? Romance? Video Games?


DC Cowboy
Reply to  seaice1
March 17, 2017 5:37 am

I haven’t noticed this particular Pope being overly concerned with saving souls or other religious matters.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Bad Andrew
March 16, 2017 6:05 pm

Because God refuses to talk to him about climate?

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
March 17, 2017 1:49 am

Hey, I am not an expert, but I understood he was infallible only on certain areas of religious stuff. I don’t think there is any guarantee except on those things.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
March 17, 2017 4:35 am

HE talks in natural disasters. Phenomena such as lightning (now physics) desease (biology) and earthquakes (geology) moved from religion to science. But the not-understood climate still may serve as HIS word. When science has no explanation, things become religion. The amalgamation of religion and science opens immense opportunities to false prophets.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
March 17, 2017 11:11 am

David, it is just as well that we have lots of scientists trying to explain climate then, so it will have an explanation. I feel we may have dodged a bullet there.

March 16, 2017 11:03 am

I got as far as “Planet could warm . . .”

I’d made my decision.

An equally valid way of phrasing this is: [The] “Planet could or could not warm . . .”

Bryan A
Reply to  Brian
March 16, 2017 12:11 pm

The planet (climate) could warm, the planet (climate) could cool, BUT the planet (climate) will NEVER remain stagnant

Reply to  Brian
March 16, 2017 2:28 pm

The planet can’t warm FAST ENOUGH for me. St. Paddy’s tomorrow and ice-topped snow up to my arse.
Not amused anymore with this climate change shite . . .

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Goldrider
March 17, 2017 10:32 am

Yes, this will be the third year in a row that I send a sarcastic text to my family about being elated about the first day of SPRING…with a picture of the friggin snow outside.

March 16, 2017 11:06 am

In related news, Slate Rock and Gravel Company (NYSE: SRGC), based in Bedrock, was upgraded to Strong Buy by Standard and Poors. The company produces clay, stone and wood construction materials for post-postmodern commercial architecture and infrastructure. Tesla (NASDAQ: TSLA) also saw a bounce with their announcement of a new car powered by feet.

Another Doug
Reply to  chilemike
March 16, 2017 11:30 am

Doing a little rubble rousing, eh?

Reply to  chilemike
March 16, 2017 11:43 am

Yup. It’s back to the Stone Age for all us evildoers and carbon dioxide emitters.

Too bad we’re out of sauropods to move all that rubble. But then, they were gigantic methane emitters.

Kalifornia Kook
Reply to  chilemike
March 16, 2017 12:44 pm

Dang it, I almost missed the reference! Loved it.

Reply to  chilemike
March 16, 2017 7:07 pm

Just how many storeys can they rise to with wood , stone and clay? Aren’t we supposed to increase population density?

Reply to  lee
March 17, 2017 6:00 am

The preferred solution is to decrease population.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  lee
March 17, 2017 10:36 am

No, the Eco-Fascists want everyone else to starve or freeze to death in the dark, the natural (pun intended) outcome of “climate policy.” After they have rid the Earth of all those other “inconvenient humans,” then they can get on with their enjoyment of their “Green Utopia.”

March 16, 2017 11:07 am

The statements he made show how barking mad he and his ilk are. They have completely lost it.

Thomas Homer
March 16, 2017 11:08 am

“I have all the evidence”

Is that why I haven’t seen any, he’s hoarding it all?

Reply to  Thomas Homer
March 16, 2017 12:03 pm

Hey, it’s the Church.
Have you EVER seen any slightest evidence from churches?
Lies over lies is all they can produce.
Time to finally leave the Church.

Reply to  Thomas Homer
March 16, 2017 2:22 pm
DC Cowboy
Reply to  Thomas Homer
March 17, 2017 5:39 am

No, he’s hiding it in the deep ocean

March 16, 2017 11:11 am

Yes please let this fool stand up at the walk for science and spout this to all to hear how MAD they all are ;>)

Reply to  lorne50
March 16, 2017 1:49 pm

Walk for science – on water no doubt

March 16, 2017 11:12 am

So his argument is “Go live like it is 1999 BC”?

You first.

March 16, 2017 11:14 am

“Planet could warm by 12 degrees, I have all the evidence” “Scientists have to take to the streets to counter denial”

Could we please see the evidence?

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Kamikazedave
March 16, 2017 12:03 pm

Why should he show you the evidence? You will just find something wrong with it.

D Carroll
Reply to  Kamikazedave
March 16, 2017 1:09 pm

Yes. Whenever someone says that they have the evidence, I look for it, just in case I’m missing something!!. But again, he doesn’t show, or tell us about it!!!

DC Cowboy
Reply to  Kamikazedave
March 17, 2017 5:42 am

There’s something vaguely disturbing about that statement. ‘Scientists’, who supposedly deal in a dispassionate search for the truth have ‘evidence’, but, they have to riot to get their point across?

AGW is not Science
Reply to  DC Cowboy
March 17, 2017 10:39 am

Yes, amazing how they can’t get their point across by SHOWING US the alleged “evidence.” But then they really don’t have any, so…

Needs to be said once again (a phrase I coined):

“The only people in “denial” about “climate change” are those who deny that natural forces, not human activities, are what drive it.”

Tom Gelsthorpe
March 16, 2017 11:14 am

Someone finally came out and said it: We can only save the world by returning to the Stone Age. They slipped in a note of subtlety with the clause “replace concrete and steel for construction by wood, clay and stone.” And only gave the world 13 years to “phase out the combustion engine.”

They’re asking selected advanced societies to commit mass suicide. You’re going to move the world’s several billion city dwellers back into wattle-and-daub huts, and get around with ox carts? Fat chance.

When I was a farmer, I used propane-fired irrigation pumps than ran almost trouble-free for 40 years with only regular maintenance. Tractors and harvesting equipment is just as durable. Do you really think you can get those urbanized billions to return to peasantry?

Instead of pie-in-the-sky, doomsayers are touting a return to prehistoric lifestyles in less than a generation. They didn’t support 50 million people 8,000 years ago, and they won’t support 7 billion now. Academics can speculate about such nonsense, but real people aren’t going to buy it. And if scientists start rioting in the streets, science will lose its cachet within a few years.

john harmsworth
Reply to  Tom Gelsthorpe
March 16, 2017 11:30 am

Just imagine what those billions of people living as hunter gatherers would do to the environment! This guy is definitely one of the first to get eaten!

Reply to  john harmsworth
March 16, 2017 12:43 pm

Schellnhuber is one of the group of self-proclaimed “wise men” who have requested to have the world handed over to them to manage. No ego there, I am sure.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  john harmsworth
March 17, 2017 10:48 am

LOL yeah if the government ever manages to cram the Stone Age down our throats to “save us” from “climate change,” I promise it’s idiots like him that will be the first ones to get “stoned.” Six of us will drop a nice big flat rock on him ala “Monty Python’s Life of Brian.” ;-D

Reply to  Tom Gelsthorpe
March 16, 2017 2:31 pm

I would propose that all the Soylent Green types who believe this should, for the sake of signalling their peerless virtue, volunteer for the Great Compost Pile and Return to Nature first. We Deplorables will watch!

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Goldrider
March 17, 2017 10:51 am


Or as I like to say to people barking about our “carbon footprint” – Until you’re chasing you dinner with a stick you sharpened with a rock, wearing only the skins of what you previously caught with the same implements, and you live in a cave, I don’t want to hear a word out of you about MY “carbon footprint.”

Russ Wood
Reply to  Tom Gelsthorpe
March 18, 2017 4:28 am

A South African blog exchange went as follows:
“The answer staring one in the face is to get off the water and electricity grids. Buy a new house with a borehole if you have to. Cover your roof with solar panels, buy an inverter or two, Put in your own sewage disposal system.”

“Alternatively, move back into cave, use fire at the entrance for light and warmth, use skin of killed animals as clothes and use a hole in the ground for toilet.”

“No thanks, I don’t want to live in Boksburg.”

Substitude ‘Boksburg’ for any run-down town in your vicinity!

March 16, 2017 11:21 am

I propose these obviously extremely concerned people ought to be the vanguard of this new movement and show us the way forward – by adopting the lifestyle they prophesize we all need first.

… and until they can show just how good, how sustainable and how in harmony they can live with the world, I won’t feel compelled to follow them. 😀

Bryan A
Reply to  JB
March 16, 2017 12:14 pm

Perhaps a Forced Relocation Camp in South Australia

michael hart
Reply to  Bryan A
March 16, 2017 4:43 pm

I sense a new reality-TV series coming on. One where climate doomsters actually have to live like they tell others to.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  JB
March 17, 2017 11:02 am

Michael Hart, I like it! First guests and permanent residents: Mann, Schmidt, Hanson, Jones, Stern, Boxer, Obama, Hillary, Gore and DiCaprio!

Strip them naked when they arrive and hand them a stick and a rock to sharpen it with. Live on what you can catch and kill, and wear nothing but the skins of your “dinner.” GO! We’ll rate it “BC” for “Blowing Chunks,” which is what will happen when you see those people sans attire.

Bryan A
Reply to  AGW is not Science
March 17, 2017 11:29 pm

“Living BC”… shoot you could even hold it in British Columbia as a Pun(ishment) but they must learn to flintknap and make tools for food processing

First items needed to make
Fire (I know it produces CO2 but it beats being cold and repeating raw meat)
Spear throwers
Bow and Arrows
Clothing (it gets rather cold in BC)
–needle & sinew or cording

No matches, no bottles, no grocery stores, no Nordstroms or even Kmart and no pharmacy

March 16, 2017 11:21 am

It’s the physical units which need to be constant , eg : RMS watts .
Spinal Tap is the only thing I respect Rob Reiner for .

Berényi Péter
March 16, 2017 11:31 am

By 2040 we will probably have to replace concrete and steel for construction by wood, clay and stone.

He missed straws. With no Big Bad Wolf around, that’s clearly the best option. Provided one does not want to build skyscrapers, but that’s impossible anyway, even with stone.

see The Three Little Pigs

So. From an environmental point of view he prefers huge flat cities with no transportation at all. Sounds attractive.

Cutting down woods for building material is even more greenish.

Bryan A
Reply to  Berényi Péter
March 16, 2017 12:17 pm

You can build fairly tall with Stone you just need to increase the size of the basecomment image
and one house per city block would certainly cut down on population density

Reply to  Berényi Péter
March 16, 2017 2:29 pm

Here’s another allegorical fairly tale for you:


Reply to  PiperPaul
March 16, 2017 5:29 pm

If the sky wasn’t falling, it would drift off into space and that would be really bad. 🙂

Reply to  Berényi Péter
March 17, 2017 5:39 am

You’re missing the point. As someone pointed out below, his ultimate objective is a Pol Pot-like reduction in population. Forget the urban sprawl. That’s not his objective. This bloke is a creepy, creepy person.

DC Cowboy
Reply to  Berényi Péter
March 17, 2017 5:45 am

No, no, no. You have no idea. Didn’t you see ‘The Ten Commandments’? You use the straw (by cutting it up and stomping it into wet clay) to make stronger bricks (and also to lock in some CO2 that is in the straw). It’s easy

Reply to  DC Cowboy
March 18, 2017 6:20 am

What happens to all that co2 from decaying human cadivers. Even if the bodies are eaten there will be a fart or burp to add to the levels.

March 16, 2017 11:37 am

Doesn’t Anthony have a list of shattered thresholds of impending doom?

March 16, 2017 11:39 am

The Homocentric Universe Astrologers will be drinking Jim Jones Patented Kool-Aid next. Ha ha

March 16, 2017 11:41 am

Climate alarmists have jumped the shark.

Reply to  John
March 16, 2017 2:33 pm

The question is why anyone still gives these asshats pixels.

Jeff L
March 16, 2017 11:42 am

How about we counter with the headline
“Industry Scientists must take to the streets to save us from Alarmists … and save humanity from leftists academics “

glen martin
March 16, 2017 11:46 am

From the quoted article: “If we want to hold the 1.5 degrees [Celsius; 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit] line”

That would be 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit.

Math is hard if you are a journalist.

John M. Ware
Reply to  glen martin
March 16, 2017 3:42 pm

Thank you, Glen–I was about to point out the same.

Bruce Cobb
March 16, 2017 11:53 am

Yes. If we don’t don’t do as they say, bricks will have to be made without straw, and have to be mixed by human feet.

Pat Frank
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 16, 2017 12:02 pm

And they can’t be fired bricks, either. All that released CO2 from the kiln. Sun-dried only. Rebuild after every heavy rain.

How does that inspirational phrasing go? Ah, yes, Arbeit Macht Frei. The new progress model of the green left.

Bryan A
Reply to  Pat Frank
March 16, 2017 12:25 pm

Just need these babies http://www.brickdotcom.com.my/pix/brick/b4.jpg and some nice strong Bamboocomment image

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Pat Frank
March 16, 2017 12:40 pm

As long as they’re wood-fired, it’s ok. Renooble energy, doncha know. But wait, where’d all the trees go? Oops.

Bryan A
Reply to  Pat Frank
March 16, 2017 2:07 pm

Sounds like the Carbon Sink has a clogcomment image

Reply to  Pat Frank
March 16, 2017 4:41 pm

Dodgy reference there Pat, be a bit careful lest Godwin gets you.

Reply to  Pat Frank
March 16, 2017 8:47 pm

I once lived in an old house constructed using oak wood frames, filled with straw, clay, and cow excrement. It was actually pretty comfy. Not exactly the right stuff for high risers, of course.

Reply to  Pat Frank
March 17, 2017 5:35 am

Seance, quoting Godwins Law is juvenile. Almost as juvenile as yelling “jinx”.

Reply to  Pat Frank
March 17, 2017 6:03 am

Even invoking Godwin’s law is not evidence that the reference is invalid.

Reply to  Pat Frank
March 17, 2017 11:14 am

Is this an interesting irony? Anyone citing Godwin in a internet discussion has lost the argument?

March 16, 2017 11:53 am

I thought concrete re-absorbed most of the CO2 within a few decades.

So when looked from a 50-year perspective, use of CO2 is neutral.

Or am I totally mis-remembering?

Tom Halla
Reply to  gregfreemyer
March 16, 2017 12:19 pm

50 year time frame? But he really wants most of the people dead within 20 years

Reply to  gregfreemyer
March 16, 2017 12:46 pm

There is some reabsorption (via carbonation)but far from all that released in the original cement calcining. Per the cement industry website.

Reply to  ristvan
March 16, 2017 4:04 pm

From: http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v9/n12/abs/ngeo2840.html

“In total, we estimate that a cumulative amount of 4.5 GtC has been sequestered in carbonating cement materials from 1930 to 2013, offsetting 43% of the CO2 emissions from production of cement over the same period”

Not as good as I recalled, but certainly a significant CO2 sink and meaningful portion of the 1930-2013 cement is less than a couple decades old, so still absorbing CO2. It must be at least a 50% reabsorption within 50 years of manufacture.

Here’s the few charts in the paper:

Reply to  ristvan
March 16, 2017 4:29 pm

Well, you found a better paper than I did. Kudos. Point remains the same. Highest regards.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  ristvan
March 16, 2017 6:14 pm

It takes a matter of hours to calcine a load of limestone, but it takes years to decades to partially re-carbonate the cement, especially for massive structures like dams.

Reply to  ristvan
March 16, 2017 6:22 pm

Greg, that paper is a bit misleading as it only uses emissions from the calcination of the limestone when calculating the 43% offset. It doesn’t include the fuel used to heat the limestone, so the actual offset is closer to 20% when all emissions are included. Even so, that is a significant amount that is not usually considered in CO2 budgets.

March 16, 2017 11:58 am

Luckily, we have a model for how to achieve the goals of this criminal clique: Pol Pot of Cambodia already did it:

“Pol Pot presided over a totalitarian dictatorship,[6] in which his government made urban dwellers move to the countryside to work in collective farms and on forced labour projects. The combined effects of executions, strenuous working conditions, malnutrition and poor medical care caused the deaths of approximately 25 percent of the Cambodian population.[7][8][9][10] In all, an estimated 1 to 3 million people (out of a population of slightly over 8 million) perished as a result of the policies of his four-year premiership”

The results will necessarily be the exact same as were Pol Pot’s results: genocide, mass killings, slave-labor, misery, death, destruction.

It’s what PC-Progressivism is all about.

But don’t worry this criminal and his buddies will be planning our labor assignments, so it’ll all be okay!

DC Cowboy
Reply to  Kent Clizbe
March 17, 2017 5:49 am

But the Church will be there to hold us in it’s loving embrace and assure us that a better world awaits us.

DC Cowboy
Reply to  DC Cowboy
March 17, 2017 5:50 am

That and we’ll need all the Priests again because they’ll be the only ones who can read and interpret the ancient texts for us.

Coach Sprnger
Reply to  Kent Clizbe
March 17, 2017 6:32 am

It’s not really a coincidence that Pol Pot should come up in a discussion of this Pope’s science advisor. Power based on zealous belief and contradicted by reality.

Reply to  Coach Sprnger
March 17, 2017 6:56 am


“It’s not really a coincidence that Pol Pot should come up in a discussion of this Pope’s science advisor….”

It’s not a coincidence because: This German is advocating EXACTLY what Pol Pot implemented in Cambodia:

A return to a pre-industrial “nirvana.”

And the only way to make that happen is EXACTLY as Pol Pot made it happen: Force, brutal force. Forced evacuations of the cities. Forced agricultural labor. Forced marriages. Forced killings. Force, force, force.

We have seen the future: It is a hob-nailed boot stepping on your face a thousand times a day.

Shut up and appreciate your nirvana, you damned reactionary!

Reply to  Coach Sprnger
March 17, 2017 8:06 am

here in the Netherlands elections, the green party quadrupled in size to about 10% of the votes.
Their goal is immense green taxation and a quick transition to solar and wind. And guess who their voters are: YUPs. The most educated group. (or brainwashed?)
If they succeed, my children certainly will live in deep poverty in rural agricultural settlements only to serve the elite. Slavery is the result of energy scarcity. Calling it communism or sustainability doesn’t change that.

March 16, 2017 12:00 pm

Send money now before it’s too late!!

Reply to  Resourceguy
March 16, 2017 7:45 pm

Isn’t that what they are taking to the streets for?
“Hello, sailor? Fancy a nice time, darling? I can keep the white lab coat on if you like.”

March 16, 2017 12:05 pm

If you’re going to tell a lie, make it a BIG one.

Bryan A
Reply to  arthur4563
March 16, 2017 12:26 pm

The Pinoccio effect,
If you tell a big enough lie and your nose doesn’t grow it must be the truth

March 16, 2017 12:07 pm

These people are stark raving mad you know.

Reply to  J.H.
March 16, 2017 2:34 pm

Remember “Revenge of the Nerds?” Yeah. That!

Non Nomen
March 16, 2017 12:08 pm

Schellnhuber is also nicknamed Schelmhuber, the pronunciation in German is almost indistinguishable, even for native speakers. A “Schelm” is a knave or scoundrel…

March 16, 2017 12:11 pm

This advisor misuses that 97% figure (dreamed up) by John Cook. All that 97% meant, at best, was that mankind has contributed “something” to global warming, which is light years away from
any 12 degree warming.

March 16, 2017 12:22 pm

Clearly his model is better. Other models stop at 10, some go to 11, but those models, those models take it to the next level.

Reply to  RWturner
March 16, 2017 12:43 pm

And where is he going to get the electricity from to drive this to #12 ???

Reply to  AndyG55
March 16, 2017 2:17 pm

Models that go to 11 run on their own electricity, add a 12 and you’re making excess electricity. Tour the world and elsewhere and you learn these things.

March 16, 2017 12:31 pm

The work on climate models, what worked and what does ot work, supports the idea that the climate change we are experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which Mankind has no control. There is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate. There is no such evidence in the paleoclimate record. There is plenty of scientific rational to support the idea that the climate sensivity of CO2 is zero.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  willhaas
March 17, 2017 11:25 am

“There is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate.”

Yup. Of course, Schellnhuber says he “has all the evidence,” so I suppose he could just show us, but likely all he has is more insistence that his pet hypothesis is fact and a bunch of GIGO computer models that assume it is fact, like the rest of the “Climastrologists.”

“There is no such evidence in the paleoclimate record.”

Amazing how they seem to keep ignoring that “inconvenient truth.” (Sorry, couldn’t resist.) Of course, given time, they’ll go back to those “inconvenient records” and “adjust” them in 1984esque fashion to make them fit the BS story of CO2 induced catastrophe.

“There is plenty of scientific rational to support the idea that the climate sensivity of CO2 is zero.”

Including the aforementioned paleoclimate record. Or, as I now LOVE to put it: “Observation TRUMPS theory.” ;-D

March 16, 2017 12:31 pm

I guess the good professor wants to party like it’s 1977. That was the pre-weather satellite era, after all. 😉


Phillip Bratby
March 16, 2017 12:32 pm

A strait-jacket and a padded cell seem appropriate for this guy. Where do they find these raving loonies?

Reply to  Phillip Bratby
March 17, 2017 3:36 am

He is the founding director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research but has a long reach, https://www.pik-potsdam.de/members/john/cv.

He is on the Advisory Board of the LSE/Imperial Grantham Institutes, LSE Grantham chairman Nick Stern has been on the “Scientific Advisory Board” of his Potsdam Institute, as has Imperial Grantham boss, Brian Hoskins.

Currently on both the Grantham board and the Potsdam board is Jennifer Morgan, currently co-CEO of Greenpeace International, formerly Climate Action Network, WWF, World Resources Institute and UK’s E3G. Also on the board is Penny Sackett of the Australian National University.

Potsdam is also the home of Real Climate’s Stefan Rahmstorf and Economist Ottmar Edenhofer, (climate policy is about wealth re-distribution). They have an “Outreach” strategy, (infiltration) and have made significant inroads into Australian Universities, see Tony Thomas’s Quadrant Online piece on this:


Reply to  dennisambler
March 17, 2017 5:28 am

Look at the bloke – he is creepy. Nothing would surprise me about him.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
March 17, 2017 11:27 am

He looks kind of like “Smithers” from the Simpsons. I can imagine him speaking in the same voice, too.

Darrell Demick (home)
Reply to  AGW is not Science
March 17, 2017 9:33 pm

Dang, to me he looks kinda like Charles Montgomery Burns. But I do like the comparison to The Simpsons.

Wouldn’t want to defame Homer however, through comparison ……

March 16, 2017 12:32 pm

That guy has form, he’s as mad as a box of frogs

Tom in Florida
March 16, 2017 12:33 pm

” It would be the end of the world as we know it, ”

Would that be so bad?

March 16, 2017 12:49 pm

The end is nigh. Sequester a baby to save the world. The Choice is yours.

Oh, and Send. More. Money. The ivory towers have taken on a twilight hue.

March 16, 2017 12:52 pm

Rome could help Vatican to lead by example.

Bryan A
Reply to  jaakkokateenkorva
March 16, 2017 2:11 pm

Perhaps the Vatican City should lead by example and immediately disconnect from the grid to prove sustainability doesn’t require Carbon. Oh and no more Hydrated Carbon for their morning cuppa either

March 16, 2017 12:52 pm

So now instead of giving 110%, they want 120%.

yea, that will work. Hehehehe

March 16, 2017 12:57 pm

John Schellnhuber?

Do you mean Hans Joachim Schellnhuber from Potsdam Institut für Klimafolgenforschung (PIK)?

Reply to  Anthony Watts
March 17, 2017 3:42 am

He prefers to call himself John for public consumption, as you can see in his Potsdam cv link:

March 16, 2017 12:58 pm


March 16, 2017 12:59 pm

I have all the evidence.

Show it to us.

Reply to  Gary
March 16, 2017 1:23 pm

He doesn’t have it, as this is chronic German warmist bigot, Schellnhuber babbling again.

March 16, 2017 1:02 pm

Climate change is real and it has infected every western institution. The proof is piling up as the same institutions go down.

March 16, 2017 1:20 pm

Professor John Schellnhuber, please follow your own instructions: Turn off the lights and the heating//cooling, don’t drive//fly ever again, and simply reflect on your thoughts in your cave. Sweet dreams.

Henning Nielsen
Reply to  jaakkokateenkorva
March 16, 2017 3:31 pm

That’s right; hold on to your inner co2.

John in Oz
Reply to  Robber
March 16, 2017 5:10 pm

I had a similar reaction on seeing how he is definitely not living in the world he wants us to live in.

Will his new, wattle and daub dwelling have windows or any metal given the high energy required to produce/smelt both?

March 16, 2017 1:32 pm

Alaric is at the gates of the city.

John V. Wright
March 16, 2017 2:38 pm

And this man is a Professor. Really. You could not make this up.

Henning Nielsen
Reply to  John V. Wright
March 16, 2017 3:25 pm

Schellnhuber is the leading advisor to the German chancellor Merkel, on all things concerning climate. I think the heat he warns against, is mainly coming from under his feet. Like so many other alarmists, he is getting more and more desperate. He seems to prefer to relate to the 2 degree target (which he himself created), because that’s 20-30 years into the future, according to the co2 “budget”. Whereas the 1,5 degree target leaves us only 10 years. And there’s a chance he’d still be around then, but not so likely -at least not in the public sphere- in 20-30 years. The same old “disaster will come when I’ve retired” warning. I think he sees a lot of scary writing on the wall of his institute. A spell has been broken across the Atlantic, and IMO there are lots of “closet skeptics” in the political elites of Europe waiting for the right moment to come out. A tipping point. As so often before, America is leading the way, but Europeans will wait some time before following suit, so that the about turn is not too obviously embarrassing. Schellnhuber has had his glory days, basking in the inner and outer glow of political influence. But, “those who take politics, shall perish by politics”.

Reply to  Henning Nielsen
March 17, 2017 5:23 am

The problem is not with this strange guy sitting in an advisory board of the german government. The real issue is that the whole advisory board ( http://www.wbgu.de/en/council-members/2016-2020/ ) shares his extreme views on politics and environment and has already developed a totalitarian strategy, how society has to be transformed to deal with the environmental challenges mankind is causing.

It took this advisory board 8 years to convince the government to start the green “Energiewende”. Now the board is not only requesting the transformation of society it is also claiming a permanent seat in government for the advisory board. This governmental science advisor cannot be voted for and he can also not be passed by by politics. He is supposed to check and eventually block every political decision when it comes to sustainability.

What else than totalitarian is this? And this not theoretical thinking. These are official claims of officially operating government advisors.

Darrell Demick (home)
Reply to  John V. Wright
March 17, 2017 9:34 pm

Those who can, do.

Those who can’t, teach.

Stephen Skinner
March 16, 2017 2:39 pm

‘Scientists have to take to the streets’ to counter climate denial’
What the hell is ‘climate denial’?

Reply to  Stephen Skinner
March 16, 2017 4:43 pm

Stephen, I think you know really.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  seaice1
March 16, 2017 6:20 pm

It was a rhetorical question intended to point out the absurdity of the pejorative “climate denial” meme.

Reply to  seaice1
March 17, 2017 1:51 am

Clyde, and how would you analyse my response?

Reply to  seaice1
March 17, 2017 6:09 am

Stupid. As usual.

Reply to  seaice1
March 17, 2017 11:18 am

Good one MarkW, I chuckled at that.

golf charlie
March 16, 2017 3:00 pm

US Climate Scientists should all be encouraged to take to the streets, at the same time to protest

Then Trump can have the office door locks changed.

Henning Nielsen
March 16, 2017 3:07 pm

Chaplin & globe is much better than Schellnhuber & globe.

March 16, 2017 3:54 pm

All his evidence is currently in danger of being crushed by a dwarf.

March 16, 2017 3:55 pm

The Church is being very ill served by enabling apocalyptic cultists to find legitimacy by using the Church.

March 16, 2017 4:02 pm

What a nut.

March 16, 2017 5:02 pm

Well, then, let’s just set the Doomsday Clock to 5 after midnight.

CD in Wisconsin
March 16, 2017 5:04 pm

“Scientists have to take to the streets to counter denial……”

Actually, they will be on April 22nd in Washington….

Or at least they want us to believe they are scientists anyway. Leaves my wondering if Herr Shellnhuber will be adding to his carbon footprint by flying over here from Germany and joining the march next month.

Not that his hypocrisy would damage his credibility any…..

Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
March 16, 2017 5:52 pm

One April Fool’s Day isn’t enough, is it? But I doubt if Schnellhubris will be marching.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
March 17, 2017 11:40 am

“Schnellhubris” LMAO that’s PERFECT.

March 16, 2017 5:08 pm

Email him at director@pik-potsdam.de. I just did asking for proof. If AGW is going to kill us all why can they not publish the proof. Not in climate models but in real time data reproducible data. I asked Nasa also but they do not have it.

Reply to  Eve
March 17, 2017 8:36 am

NASA never had the proof but I did. Sold it on ebay to a guy named Schellnhuber for 12 EUR. Seems as if he mixed up price with warming 🙂

Reply to  paulclim
March 17, 2017 6:30 pm

Damn, I keep looking for that proof and you sold it. BTW, Joachim did not reply. I am shocked.

michael hart
March 16, 2017 5:21 pm

Myles “11 Degrees” Allen is probably breathing a bit more easily now.

March 16, 2017 5:30 pm

As always the apocalypse is conveniently 10 years out.

Reply to  stuartlynne
March 17, 2017 7:53 am

I keep forgetting that. As ever, the perfect summary /mark

March 16, 2017 5:33 pm

The correct science says CO2 has no significant effect on climate.

Dean - NSW
Reply to  Dan Pangburn
March 16, 2017 7:07 pm

No need to add “correct”. That is the mark of politically driven drivel. Simply saying science is more than sufficient.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Dean - NSW
March 17, 2017 11:44 am

Well it would be sufficient if so many “scientists” in the “climate” field didn’t forget about that “observation” part of the “process.” Or that inconvenient “correlation does not equal causation” principle.

Reply to  Dean - NSW
March 17, 2017 8:59 pm

Too many ‘Climate Scientists’ apparently overlook that absorbed EMR is essentially all thermalized and that reverse-thermalization involves gas molecules with Maxwell-Boltzmann speed distribution. This favors emitting lower energy photons from water vapor molecules.

The result is none of the non-condensing (in the atmosphere) ghg have a significant effect on climate. More complete explanation is at http://globalclimatedrivers2.blogspot.com

Some also appear to not grasp that forcings (e.g. TSI) must be time-integrated to rationally compare to temperature change.

March 16, 2017 6:16 pm

This is not about deindustrialization. This is about he world’s richest and most powerful families and organizations, the Captains and the Kings that claim no national loyalty, desperately trying to save their multi-billion $ investments to position themselves for what they hope will be the upcoming orgy of spending to save the world. They are setting the stage to have the world’s political leaders, many of whom they control, invest multi-trillions of taxpayer dollars to engage in unsustainable, unwise, and unworkable technologies. They will all profit off environmental policies that they advocate with very close friends in government, while amassing wealth in large part through government contracts.

The stakes are so high that hysteria must be invoked to counter the growing realization of people worldwide that there is no environmental apocalypse They are also using their domination of the international Financial Stability Board to coerce and harass companies and governments to do their bidding. Should they succeed, over the next 15 years an estimated $93 TRILLION will be needed for investments in low-carbon infrastructure. From public money. And they want it. See this story:


Deindustrialization would be the unintended consequence, but why should they care? They’ll own the world and have their safe spaces.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  secryn
March 17, 2017 11:46 am

If they succeed, we’ll invade their “safe spaces” like “World War Z” zombies. And we’ll EAT them. ;-P

Pamela Gray
March 16, 2017 6:52 pm

My my! The fractional portion of total atmospheric CO2 that is anthropogenic has somehow gotten stronger per molecule! Magic!

Maybe if scientists…I don’t know…tried to figure out how much additional energy it would take to change weather patterns sufficiently enough to create such additional warmth, they would be forced to look for something with enough energy to match the requirement.

March 16, 2017 6:55 pm

“I have all the evidence.”
Jesus wept. Yet another “Professor” who has not the foggiest notion of what that word means.
Then again, it’s a shoo-in when your audience is a confirmed nut job.

March 16, 2017 7:46 pm

“Evidence.” Evidence is something you can observe.

You cannot observe the future.

Sorry, but that is an inherent limit of science.

Gary Pearse
March 16, 2017 9:46 pm

Schell visits WUWT from time to time and we are treated to a clinical seminar on unhinged anxiety. He has no #s1 to 10 in control on his emotions and he splatters down countless angry, snarky shrill insults and ripostes of much ado about nothing. I guess PIK has to endure him until retirement age. He’ll be adding more numbers on to the nob with time.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
March 17, 2017 9:37 am

Do you have links to some examples?

Donald Kasper
March 16, 2017 11:50 pm

Preachers are always at crossroads.

March 17, 2017 12:05 am

To think that anyone takes zealots like him seriously. Unbelievable!!

Reply to  Mike Kaye
March 17, 2017 6:54 pm

Nut jobs do, a Mike. One in particular. Hint: He wears a dress and a soup bowl on top.

March 17, 2017 12:39 am

I think the professor’s pants must be on fire.

Johann Wundersamer
March 17, 2017 12:42 am

DW aka ‘Deutsche Welle’ is a propaganda broadcast:


“DW (TV) began as RIAS-TV, a television station launched by the West Berlin broadcaster RIAS (Radio in the American Sector / Rundfunk im Amerikanischen Sektor) in August 1988.”

From the start it was intended as ‘Feindsender’.

And Schellnhuber is always as wrong as Schellnhuber can be.

Reply to  Johann Wundersamer
March 17, 2017 3:16 am

Deutsche Welle is the worst (leftist propaganda) broadcasting company in Germany, and that is no mean feat. They probably have hired too many stalwart East German propagandists after reunification. The present director is a former employee of Clinton-chum Chaim Saban.
Schellnhuber had his first nervous breakdown at around 18 (all these relativity- and cosmology-hypotheses were just too much for him). Somehow the well-regarded German universities managed to overlook him, so he became professor in Oldenburg, Lower Saxony, smack in the middle of pig and chicken country. This rather young school is aptly named after a german communist.
There he coached Stefan Rahmsdorf towards a doctoral degree, who now serves as his obedient attack dog in their institute in the spiritual center of former East Germany (and of course at realclimate.org and other blogs). They get several millions from the tax-payer every year, but are not accountable to anyone.

Reply to  feliksch
March 17, 2017 3:54 am

The Institute was once the offices of the East German Stasi.

“At the “Ex-Stasi Headquarters”, PIK members from four of the future five departments began working
together in a makeshift mode.”

Reply to  feliksch
March 17, 2017 5:20 am

dennis, i wanted to stay civil and deleted my hints at the Stasi and the NSDAP. The spirit of the place (genius loci) is a force which should not be underestimated, as has been shown in Abu Greib and other places.

March 17, 2017 3:37 am

The results of their models speak for themselves. There is nothing to fear. Their nonsensical claims aren’t any better than their models.

Climate “Science” on Trial; If Something is Understood, it can be Modeled

March 17, 2017 5:17 am

what a creep.

March 17, 2017 6:18 am

Look ‘ere you lot, I have experienced global warming first hand, as recently as today.
Today was measurably warmer than last night.

March 17, 2017 6:38 am

I have become bored with all of these hysterics. It seems the “left” blows their “right” dog whistle and we come running. Not just climate, but everything. When we do that, we are arguing on their terms and that means we lose.
Take climate. If we really wanted to eliminate most of our production the life giving trace gas CO2 we could make our electricity with Thorium. We could invest in “cold fusion”. Look at Brilliant light energy. All these things could cheaply provide us all the electricity we could ever use with no CO2. Instead, our great leaders DECLARE WAR on CO2 and send 1000’s of millions of dollars to their buddies to make giant fans and piles of glass that accomplish nothing. Maybe they really don’t want to win the WAR, just beat us over the head with it. I’m 55 and in spite of being at war poverty, climate, radical Islam and on and on -my entire life-, we’ve never won any of these wars. Accident?
We are being played. We need to change the argument.

March 17, 2017 7:45 am

Another of Schnellnhuber’s PIK colleagues is the dreaded Ottmar Edenhoffer who famously said “Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated”.

Up until a few months ago, they must have thought they were making good progress towards a supranational world authority with power to distribute and redistribute the world’s resources. But now a great many spanners have been thrown into the works (which they pejoratively call ‘populism’, ‘nationalism’, ‘deplorables’ etc.)

With this sudden reversal of progress towards their dream of a pan-global nanny state, they are now *desperate* to ‘reverse the reversal’ and get the project back on track. Hence the *desperate* exaggerations.

Reply to  JCalvertN(UK)
March 17, 2017 9:22 am


Yes, I think so.

March 17, 2017 8:43 am

“By 2040 we will probably have to replace concrete and steel for construction by wood, clay and stone.”
Oh sure. We’ll be able to house the world’s population in mud huts and log cabins.
Good news is with all that CO2, the trees will grow faster…

Reply to  fxk
March 17, 2017 9:00 am

I’m curious about seeing the first wooden wind turbines.

Where do they get the wood for it? One forest, too many consumers: biomass, heating, housing, wind turbines, streets, bridges, cars, furnitures … I doubt that all the Schellnhubers can calculate the number of planets needed to plant that forest. Oh … they calculate backwards. One earth, how many people can we allow?

This is the Flintstones revival!

Reply to  paulclim
March 17, 2017 9:15 am

In 1500, the Netherlands had about 1 M inhabitants and no tree was left. The wood for ships and windmills had to be imported from Norway. Now there are 17M inhabitants, prosperity is at least 10 times higher… and the country has many nice nature reserves with more trees then ever. The national power used is equivalent to 500 million horses which would require 220 times the landmass for their food. This to illustrate our future if returning to a bio-based society as the green parties promote.

Reply to  paulclim
March 17, 2017 11:17 am

@ David

Exactly that is the reason why all the Schellnhubers would say that there are 16 M too many inhabitants in the Netherlands. Cut their energy supply and the population will shrink automatically over time. They would never admit it officially but this is what they think.

AGW is not Science
March 17, 2017 10:09 am

He “has all the evidence.” Funny, it seems he’s been keeping it a secret, because nobody else seems to have any. LMAO.

Mickey Reno
March 17, 2017 12:11 pm

He looks a little bit like WUWT copycat Russell Seitz, don’t you think?


March 17, 2017 12:12 pm

I think “on the streets” is the perfect place for most so-called climate scientists. Let them go door to door looking for useful work.

March 17, 2017 7:32 pm

As the proverb goes, the “thirteenth stroke of the clock” is not only itself discredited, it casts into doubt the accuracy of all the previous strokes.

March 17, 2017 8:12 pm

Mad as a Hatter.

EarthGround Media presents
March 18, 2017 10:55 am

“Heck, why not just go to 15C or 20C, and really get people…”

Heck is where you go if you don’t believe in Gosh?

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