Trump’s budget to “hammer climate programs” across the Federal government!!!

Guest post by David Middleton

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The Promise Keeper keeps delivering…

TrumpBudget

President Donald Trump’s budget proposal for fiscal year 2018 can be read as a political document, a statement of his administration’s policy priorities. Many of these proposed cuts won’t get passed by Congress, but it’s a look at what Trump values.

And what’s clear is that Trump wants the US government to pull back sharply from any effort to stop global warming, adapt to its impacts — or even study it further. Under the proposal, a wide variety of Obama-era climate programs across multiple agencies would be scaled back or slashed entirely.

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1) Many of the EPA’s climate programs would be terminated. Trump is proposing a sweeping 31 percent cut to the EPA’s budget — from $8.2 billion down to $5.7 billion — shrinking funding to the lowest levels in 40 years. That includes zeroing out funding for many of the agency’s climate programs. Currently, the EPA is the main US entity working to monitor and reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

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2) The Department of Energy’s R&D programs would be reoriented and scaled back.Trump is proposing a 5.6 percent cut to the Department of Energy. And, to do that, he would impose a steep 17.9 percent cut — roughly $2 billion — from core energy/science programs intended to accelerate the transition to new (and cleaner) energy technologies.

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3) State Department funding for climate change is axed. As part of the Paris climate deal in 2015, the United States pledged not just to cut emissions, but also to offer $3 billion in aid to poorer countries to help them adapt to climate change and build clean energy. So far, the Obama administration has chipped in $1 billion. This was seen as crucial for bringing these countries into the deal.

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4) NASA’s Earth-monitoring programs are cut. One reason we know so much about climate change is that NASA has deployed a fleet of Earth-observing satellites since 1999. They collect data on everything from temperature and precipitation to underground aquifers and ocean currents to wildfires, soil moisture, and storms.

But NASA’s Earth Science Division has come under attack from conservatives who don’t appreciate the agency’s forays into climate science and think NASA should focus on space exploration instead.

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5) A key NOAA program to help coastal communities adapt to climate change would be gone. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Sea Grant program provides grants for research efforts intended to help coastal communities deal with a wide variety of challenges. Lately, that has included climate change.

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Including Sea Grant, Trump’s budget would eliminate $250 million in NOAA programs for coastal management, calling it “a lower priority than core functions maintained in the Budget such as surveys, charting, and fisheries management.” It’s unclear if Congress would agree to this: The Sea Grant program was established back in 1966 “to foster economic competitiveness” and has rarely been controversial in the past.

Vox

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If that’s not good enough…

Pruitt, Chao reverse ‘costly’ auto rules

By JOHN SICILIANO • 3/15/17

The Environmental Protection Agency and Department of Transportation took formal action Wednesday to reverse an Obama-era decision to move forward with some of the strictest regulations for cutting emissions and improving fuel efficiency in cars and light trucks.

EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt and Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao made the decision in a joint declaration just moments before President Trump was supposed to discuss the rollback at an event in Michigan.

“These standards are costly for automakers and the American people,” Pruitt said in a statement. “We will work with our partners at [the Department of Transportation] to take a fresh look to determine if this approach is realistic. This thorough review will help ensure that this national program is  good for consumers and good for the environment.”

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Washington Examiner

On a side note, did anyone else notice the Alfa Romeo Giulia advertisement on the Vox page?  I just love irony.  An article whining about Trump’s desire to zero-out climate change spending is accompanied by ad ad for a 280 hp, 149 mph car.  The turbocharged 16-valve inline-4 cylinder engine can do 0-60 in 5 seconds.  Not bad for a 4 cylinder engine.  the Giula gets 22/32 mpg (city/highway)… A bit less than the more than 50 mpg standard that was just erased.

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crosspatch

Just simmer down, everyone.

1: No Presidential budget survives arrival in Congress
2: With only a 2 seat majority in the Senate, the GOP is not likely to get any of this to “stick”.

RWturner

ROFLMAO! Seriously? Prepare to be shocked, yet again.

wws

Everyone seems to be forgetting the tactic that Obama used to perfection the last 8 years, establishing a strong precedent.

Just because money’s in the budget doesn’t mean the Executive has to spend it. The Executive can direct his cabinet chiefs to simply sit on the money and do nothing with it.

Javert Chip

wws

Are you sure about that? I would assume that amounts to a “line item veto”, which the Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional in 1998.

Just because the self-proclaimed constitutional scholar Obama did it does not make it legal.

MarkW

That used to be the case, but congress passed a law, over Nixon’s veto, that requires the president to spend everything authorized.

“Any”?

Bold talk.”All” might be a better term to allude to.

There’s plenty of anti-green sentiment on the Hill and in the public as well.

Hopefully, results from debate over the federal budget will include:
1) the EPA’s budget will be reduced far beyond the 30% currently contemplated and,
2) the current, pseudoscientific program of research on climate change will be replaced by a much less costly but genuinely scientific program.

John M. Ware

I think Trump can get some of it to stick. He still has veto power, and he can veto submissions that do not do at least some of what he wants. If Congress wants to stop the government in its tracks just for EPA and related causes, Trump can put some strong countermeasures in their way. I, for one, hope he gets most of what he wants. I want it, too; that’s why I voted him in (along with scores of millions of other voters).

george e. smith

And the majority of voters in probably 90% of ALL the Counties in the USA; the REAL popular vote.

G

Chimp

Trump won 83.5% of counties (2623). Clinton carried 15.6% (489). Johnson, Stein and/or another candidate must have picked up 29 of the 3141 counties in the country.

But Clinton’s whole alleged popular vote edge can be accounted for by just two of the most corrupt counties in the country, Los Angeles, CA and Cook, IL. Or by Bay Area counties.

Javert Chip

Once more, just for the record for those unfamiliar with the United states constitution: The president is not elected by majority vote (never has been); the office is filled by the Electoral College. Of the roughly 60 presidential elections, 5 different presidents (5 of 45, or 11%) have won office without winning the popular vote.

Despite their comments to the contrary, all politicians and political operatives know this.

Of the roughly 60 presidential elections, 5 different presidents (5 of 45, or 11%) have won office without winning the popular vote.

Point of clarification. Without winning the highest number of popular votes. More than 5 have been elected without a majority of the popular votes. Bill Clinton never got a majority of the vote.

The first sentence was supposed to be blockquoted, but my spelling is not the best.

Thebla

“On a side note, did anyone else notice the Alfa Romeo Giulia advertisement on the Vox page”. Exactly my experience with the local “Environmentally correct” Montreal Gazette. They won’t publish anything critical of the green religion, but the paper is loaded with (and basically derives most of its revenue from) ads promoting gas guzzling, CO2 spewing cars of all kinds. So much easier to goad everyone else into going green than it is to do it yourself.

michael hart

I have to suppress a chuckle every time I see the travel section of The Guardian and it’s accompanying adverts. It seems to be one set of advertisers who aren’t abandoning them yet (others being jobs at the BBC and local government adverts for social workers).

george e. smith

I drove (unwillingly) for a long distance in commuter traffic on a freeway this morning BEHIND a Datsun “Leaf'” . Izzat called Nissan these days ?

I thought a leaf was an all electric battery car.

Never have I been behind a car that used the brake pedal as much as the driver of that Leaf.

We were in the fast, usually commuter lane, but only going 80-90% of legal speed, but NOT really stop and go.

Now I understand the idea of regenerative braking in electric cars; but why the hell would you (if they do) immediately switch from go to brake, by just taking your foot off the gas pedal.

I presume they don’t, but are in pure free wheel idle, if your foot is not on the pedal, and don’t regenerate, unless you stomp on the brake pedal.

Anyhow it was the most inefficient use of a battery powered vehicle, that I have ever encountered.

I virtually never even touched my brakes, unless the chap in front was slowed by traffic in front of him.

I’m in cruise control all the time, and if I am closing on anybody, I shift into neutral and coast. The car actually seems to accelerate when I do that even on the flat, so about half of my commute is idling miles in between stop and go’s, brought on by brake lights in front of me. I typically coast from one light to the next by shifting to neutral as soon as I get to legal road speed, and only have to brake at the last minute if the light doesn’t turn green. I only coast as far as I can before the guy behind can notice my speed slowing. I don’t want to hold anyone else up.

But wouldn’t you think a battery car driver would be brake lights savvy ??

G

G, I have noticed the same thing, the other thing was that this winter I have noticed a few e-cars sitting on the side of the highway ( during every cold snap I went out, so probably quite a few more). lonely looking though.

I suspect that when you take you foot off the “gas” they start regeneratively braking. I.e. the brake lights may be controlled by software, not by whether you foot is actually on the brake pedal. Of course, greens are known bad drivers, so the driver may just have been driving like a Sydney taxi driver. (For those who haven’t visited Aus, many (immigrant) Sydney taxi drivers don’t have a good concept of driving, so they’re always on the brake or the accelerator, even when trying to hold a steady speed.

As for ads on sites, Google generally targets ads to readers rather than being selected by the site itself. So if you’re seeing particular ads then that’s because you’re believed by Google to be interested in them, not because that site happens to relate to them. Found this out when we were all mocking a lefty on a particular site when he commented that the (right wing) site had lots of ads for viagra and he thought that probably reflected the audience. Turned out that it actually reflected him….

Is it too early to label The Donald the greatest president ever?

BCBill

Don’t forget that Obama was awarded the Nobbly (sic) Peace Prize early on. Many people would like to pull that back.

Chimp

Yes.

Top third, maybe. Possibly even Top Ten. We’ll see.

Based upon achieving their goals, for good or ill, here are my rankings:

Washington*
Lincoln*
Jefferson* (mixed record but the LA Purchase excuses all)
Teddy Roosevelt*
Polk (acquired US west of the Rockies)

Monroe (acquired FL)
FDR (failed to end the Depression, but did OK in WWII)
Reagan
Wilson
Eisenhower

Jackson
McKinley
Cleveland
Hayes
Truman (despite the Korean War)

Madison might have made the cut if the British hadn’t burned his house down. Despite Alaska, hard to rate Andrew Johnson highly. Peirce and Buchanan are generally considered the worst.

*Mt. Rushmore

Chimp

I rated them based upon their presidencies, not what they did before or after.

Madison is an important Founder and Framer, but sucked as president. New England nearly seceded over the War of 1812, which was unnecessary and poorly fought, except for victories by the splendid heavy frigates authorized by Washington and completed by Federalist Adams. The Naval Act of 1794 barely passed the House. If Madison wanted to win, he should have repositioned what tiny army we had. Jefferson also left him with an absurd navy, based upon practically worthless coastal defense gunboats, ie maritime militia, rather than ships of the line and more frigates, which would have cost about the same as the disgusting “Jeffs”.

I do admire Madison for opposing internal improvements as unconstitutional, while regarding them as beneficial.

Chimp

The War of 1812 didn’t just lead to the burning of Washington, but the disaster at Detroit, which wasn’t entirely Madison’s fault, although he must share the blame.

To this day, Canadians claim, and apparently actually believe, that they beat the US the only time we ever fought. Of course, there was no Canada then, just British colonies, and most of the troops, including their national hero Isaac Brock, were British, or American Indian. Most English-speaking “Canadians” at that time were ex-American Tory refugees from the Revolutionary War. They played little role in the war.

Our heavy frigates did win respect, and Jackson did beat the British at New Orleans after the war was already over, but in general the war did not gain the US much esteem among the powers. Over 30 years later, the Duke of Wellington expected Santana to beat Winfield Scott in Mexico, despite the Texicans having previously ignominiously whipped the generalissimo and president. That’s how much of a force the Iron Duke reckoned our army to be.

Chimp

David,

I would have been an anti-Federalist, like Patrick Henry and Monroe, ie those who insisted on a Bill of Rights before supporting the centralization of power embodied in the Constitution. I’d have sided with the western PA Whiskey Rebels put down by Washington, but on military spending, I’d have gone with the Federalists. My political beliefs and positions now are a mix of D-R and Federalist. The latter of course faded away under Monroe, in the Era of Good Feeling, which didn’t last long.

Monroe’s Doctrine owes more to his SecState J. Q. Adams than to the president himself. And the annexation of FL both to Adams and General Jackson. But those developments happened on his watch.

Lincoln provoked the Civil War and illegal went to war against a sovereign nation (the Confederacy)
killing more Americans in the process than dies in all of her other wars. He freed no slaves (he hoped to be able to free then deport all the Southern slaves), and destroyed the Southern states economies for the next 100 years. He eliminated most civil rights in his northern states for no particular reason. He eliminated the civil judicial system at the same time. He improsioned tens of thousands f political prisoners – anyone who had expressed doubts about his illegal and unconstitutional actions. He paid no attention to the Constitution or the Supreme Court, ordering the chief Justice to be arrested. He was the most evil national leader until Hitler and Stalin came along.
We should be celebrating John Wilkes Booth’s actions to eliminate this evil SOB. It should be proclaimed a national holiday, and Lincoln should be impeached in absentia and removed from the list of U.S. Presidents. .

RWturner

I’d put Truman as the 46th best president…

Chimp

Federalist Hamilton also made good points in the Papers. I probably would have supported the Constitution with the secure promise of a Bill of Rights, for which thank God!

Unfortunately the courts have warped the Constitution such that its fathers wouldn’t recognize it. Also amendments like direct election of senators. The Anti-Federalists’ worse fears are being realized.

Kalifornia Kook

“Jefferson* (mixed record but the LA Purchase excuses all)” leaves out that he ended the Barbary Pirates, freeing European merchant marine trade from incredibly high tribute payments and America from high insurance rates. Just bringing back the Marines should get him on the list without being dissed.

Menicholas

And Dolly made some right fine ice cream.

Chimp

Indeed Dolly did. Our shortest president Little Jemmie was lucky to have her.

My favorite Madison story is from the “Bladensburg Races”, the battle at which the British humiliated the Americans trying to keep them out of Washington. Despite his involvement in drafting the Constitution, he wasn’t exactly sure of what the duties of Commander-in-Chief consisted. So he rode out to Bladensburg with two pistols stuck in his belt. In the event, he, along with all the other Americans skedaddled as fast as they could. He was lucky to be mounted. And not to weigh much.

Thus Dolly was alone when she saved Washington’s portrait in the soon to be burned White House.

Chimp

Kalifornia Kook
March 16, 2017 at 1:11 pm

But he saddled Madison with the revolting Jeff gunboats, which arguably cost us the War of 1812. After relying on the navy v. the Barbary Pirates, he then practically destroyed the navy out of ideological malice, feeling it only benefited his political enemies, the northern merchant class.

Chimp

RWturner
March 16, 2017 at 12:36 pm

Truman is a mixed bag. He gets kudos for the atomic bombs and for standing up to unions, remarkably for a Democrat, but he didn’t root out communists in the government because he didn’t want to give the GOP a campaign issue, flubbed Korea, weakened the army too precipitously after WWII, tried to get rid of the Marine Corps and scrap aircraft carriers.

Maybe I rated him too highly. Middle third might be better.

Chimp

arthur4563
March 16, 2017 at 12:24 pm

I agree that Lincoln was a tyrant, what the French call a sacred monster, but my ratings were based upon achieving goals, for good or ill. Lincoln did provoke the war, but his goal was to break the “slave power”, ie the self-styled aristocrats of the Southern planter class and their hold on national power via the Senate. He achieved that goal, regardless of what you and I may think of his accomplishment.

RW,

I should have added the Marshal Plan and Cold War to Truman’s credit. He threatened Stalin with atomic bombing if he didn’t pull out of Iran, and stood up to the Commies in Greece and elsewhere postwar.

wws

all these complaints about Lincoln – it reminds me of the stories about my wife’s great grandmother, a Genteel Southern Lady, who reportedly go into a rage whenever That Tryrant’s Name was mentioned, and which always caused her to tell once again how those Damned Yankees ripped the lid off the families grand piano and let the horse eat hay out of it.

george e. smith

Well I wasn’t here, or just wasn’t ,for all of them but for my money:

Reagan Truman Kennedy.

No I’m not a Democrat (not nuffin).

G

Chimp

JFK was a disaster. Not only did he guarantee that we’d lose the Vietnam War, but he legalized federal employee unions. Just for starters.

He’s definitely in the bottom third. But not as bad as LBJ, who’s in the bottom five.

Chimp

George,

Dunno if my comments on JFK’s miserable, abject failures and catastrophes might be lost in cyberspace, or under moderation.

Short list: Vietnam and federal employee unions.

hunter

Oh my, there are still people defending the Confederate secession and blaming Lincoln for the civil war. Amazing.

Chimp

hunter
March 16, 2017 at 6:18 pm

Pointing out that Lincoln was a blood-soaked, hideous, repulsive monster and statist tyrant is only to state the truth. He wanted that war, and easily could have avoided it. All he had to do was evacuate Ft. Sumter, as had already been done at other federal military installations in the seceded states. He suckered the fire-breathers in SC into firing on the fort.

Had he abandoned Ft. Sumter, there would have been no war with 750,000 military and an unknown number of civilian deaths, black, white and red. Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee and Arkansas would have stayed in the Union and the CSA would have withered on the vine.

But South Carolinian firebrands took the bait, giving Lincoln the excuse he needed to call up a volunteer army to conquer the South. His raising of an army caused more states to secede, as he knew it would. But, as he said, he hoped God was on his side, but he needed Kentucky, and managed to hold onto it and Missouri early in the war, sealing the fate of the Confederacy.

It would have been better for all concerned if slavery had ended, as it would have done, without federal military power. Lincoln didn’t care about the slaves. He only wanted to destroy the planter class.

I believe that the Union is a voluntary association. I hope that California does secede. Then its interior counties would secede from it, and the coastal watermelons would starve and die of thirst in the dark.

Earl Smith

It should be noted that the Yankee in charge of Ft Sumter had moved his command from Ft Moultrie (IIRC) on the northern mainland to a position in the heart of Charleston harbor in spite of a stand fast order because it offered a better threat to the City. Taking an active military threat is hardly a peaceable act, but people only consider the firing on the fort as the start of hostilities.

Lincoln wanted to seize the vast profits from the South’s 98% of the cotton market via the new tariffs to support his Northern industrialists protectionist campaign against Europe. The Slave issue was a sham, he supported the Corbin Amendment which would have “guaranteed” slavery forever (sure, like the 19th amendment couldn’t repeal the 18th) . He ended up destroying the South and virtually eliminating the cotton industry in the US. as it moved to Egypt and India.

MarkW

Lincoln caused the Civil War, hardly something to be proud of. He also trampled all over civil rights in order to prosecute his war.

MarkW

FDR created the Depression, he didn’t just fail to end it.

MarkW

hunter, the south had every right to seceed and every other country got rid of slavery without having to fight a war. It was Lincoln’s incompetence that made a war necessary.

Hunter, the American people rejected the powerful slavery interests that were attempting to expand it into the Territories and the new states. This is what necessitated the birth of the Republican Party, and this is what the Lincoln vs Douglas elections determined: Americans were now largely anti-slavery, and wanted free states of equal citizens to be added, just as the Founders intended.

And damright, the addition of non-slave states would have ended slavery without a shot. That is why the South seceded and attacked the North, with plans to expand and take control of the Western Territories.

By the way, since the President has issued a proclamation making March 2017 Women’s history month, this is a good time to study the suffragette, Lucy Stone. She organized anti-slavery rallies and worked for equal pay for women, as well as the right to vote.

She parted ways with Susan B Anthony, who was inviting KK K leaders to speak at her rallies. If she wanted crowds, she was asked, why didn’t she just get circus gorillas instead?

Again, the Republican Party was formed because Americans were rejecting the slave south and its expansion into the west. The result was the passage of the XIII Am and the outlawing of peonage as well.

South River Independent

Sorry. Lincoln was the worst president. He violated the Constitution and fought an illegal war against Southern Independence. That war and the genocide against Southern culture via reconstruction and its aftermath is the primary reason that race relations are so bad.

Trump’s budget is likely to hammer Trump.

Ted Clayton

I wish Floyd Mayweather acted different than he does, too. But they both know what they’re doing.

Look at the Immigration EOs. On sight, I could see the opposition was going to wad these into a little ball and stuff ’em where the sun don’t shine.

And Trump couldn’t see that, as easily as I could? He knows what he’s doing … on the budget, too.

Curious George

Trump had no chance to get elected, everybody saw that.

Gary Pearse

He’d be hammered regardless because he hammered the Washington elites and their global NWO plans. Richard, there still is a real America, the types you and your friends make fun of and despise, you know, the types that won your wars for you and saved your a55es.

My personally favorite analogy (which I believe I invented first) is the Nile crocs snapping at the a55es of the biologists who are trying to save them from extinction. I don’t expect sore losers to recognize their savior.

catweazle666

“Trump’s budget is likely to hammer Trump.”

Heh!

You wish!

Resourceguy

Across the federal government is right because that’s where all it was wasted.

Paul Westhaver

I can’t say anything that adds to Trump’s actions. I am sitting back watching with smug satisfaction. AHHHHHH.

Johna Till Johnson

This is an initial negotiating stance. President Trump has been very clear that his first proposal on ANYTHING is exactly that—an initial proposal aimed at launching negotiations.

That said, the spend on climate change research (or activism, or whatever it actually is) will likely be cut substantially in the final budget, because at the end of the day folks are more likely to care more about other programs and fight harder for them.

See - owe to Rich

I would be sorry to see NASA’s Earth monitoring program go. Yes, NASA should not be analyzing the data, but collecting it is still important.

Rich.

Chimp

NOAA already operates a fleet of satellites trained on earth. They should control all of them. Let NASA concern itself with space. There is mission overlap in low earth orbit, but looking outward beyond geostationary should be the space agency’s focus.

Kalifornia Kook

I think you’ve said that in an earlier post. Regardless, you’re right. Too much overlap, which Trump has promised to reduce in many agencies. More power to him!

Bryan A

I hate to see the R&D $$ for future energy tech go. Eventually we will need replacement tech for our currently unbeatable fossil energy sources and I would hate to get caught with our pants down and require 30 years worth of refinement at the (future) time when we have 20 years worth of fuel sources left.

Chimp

Not sure that we need the government to find alternative energy sources. They did help start fission nuclear, but IMO private enterprise will come up with solutions when the economics of energy make them feasible. So far most government energy research funding has been wasted, IMO. See fusion and subsidies for wind and solar.

hunter

Solutions that are non physical, which a bunch of the DOE efforts are, can be cut with no negative impacts. The climate kooks have screwed up nearly everything they have touched.

Gary Pearse

Bryan, there is no need for anyone to worry. The engineering marvels that keep the lights on and do everything else in this modern world are brought to you automatically in a free enterprise system. Your worry should be that government is going to bu99er up this magical provident system. You know, like the renewables scam you foster a new world order run by elites. We came close! I hope we have learned a lesson.

Here is why we should fire all of NASA’s top management:
THEY LEAD THE CLIMATE PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGN

Here is why we should fire all of NASA’s top management:
THEY LEAD THE CLIMATE PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGN with crap like this:
http://www.debunkingclimate.com/nasa_debunk.html

Thanks
JK

Chimp

For sure GISS’ Gavin has got to go.

R. Shearer
Chimp

I don’t know if Gavin can be fired. But GISS could be moved NYC to Nome.

Joe

the president can to a degree, not spend (some, all?) money authorized to a particular program. I will patiently for the moment we can say “Now, his (O) failure is complete”

Trump, the warmonger in waiting.

commieBob

I agree with David. People were worried that RR was going to get us into WW3. That means the Soviets took him seriously. Nobody took Carter seriously.

China is starting to flex its muscles in the South China Sea. link I think I’ll stock up on popcorn for the bomb shelter.

So, stocking up on physical might because he lacks the intellectual might?

Chimp

Trump is not stupid. Far from it. He has true intelligence, tested where and when it counts, unlike his pseud-intellectual “resisters”.

Kalifornia Kook

KC, you’re so smart – why ain’t you (as) rich? Why didn’t you run for president? Methinks you’re not so dumb as to think you’re in his league. That’s a plus. Keep working on it.
Yes, this is a personal attack. Much like your two posts above.

Ok let’s leave it at that. Take food fights off this forum.

R.S. Brown

CommieBob:

I know for a fact that most of the upper ranks of the State Department
including nearly all of the diplomatic corps took James Earl Carter VERY
seriously.

When he stated that “human rights” would be a litmus test for U.S. support
of foreign governments he MEANT it and tried to put it into practice. He
ended up hamstrung by the old boy State Department network.

He got submarined.

commieBob

R.S. Brown March 16, 2017 at 4:11 pm

He got submarined.

I am certain that lots of senior civil servants hate Donald Trump’s guts. Will they try to sabotage him or do they fear him enough that they will behave?

Chimp

R.S. Brown
March 16, 2017 at 4:11 pm

Carter’s lamebrained “human rights” policy gave us the anti-human rights regime in Iran. And the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Cuban intervention in Africa and a host of other tragedies and catastrophes remedied by Ronald the Great.

Gary Pearse

Yeah Kit C. Let’s unleash a covey Ivy league philosophers on ISIS and think them into submission.

hunter

Obama destabilized more countries, fomented more rebellions, created more refugees and brought the world closer to general war than anyone since WW2. And ignorant fools claim Trump is a war monger.

Chimp

With Hillary Clinton’s invaluable assistance!

Pulling precipitously out of Iraq without a status of forces agreement was a huge mistake. Except for Tunisia, which happened without our help, the whole “Arab Spring” was also a yuge mistake. Overthrowing Qaddafi was a big mistake. Stating that Assad had to go, then not overthrowing him was an even bigger mistake.

Obama doesn’t even seem to be aware that the Syrian tragedy is as much his fault as anyone’s. Kind of makes one suspect that he wanted millions of Muslim refugees to flood Europe and America.

Naah! That couldn’t be, could it?

MarkW

I doubt Obama is smart enough to have anticipated the inevitable results of his actions.
I doubt that he cares. He got to prance about and display his virtue for the world to see. That’s all that matters.

commieBob

MarkW March 17, 2017 at 6:52 am

I doubt Obama is smart enough to have anticipated the inevitable results of his actions.

Obama is plenty smart. The trouble is that even really smart people can’t reliably predict anything that involves people. Experts of all sorts should be forced to study Philip Tetlock’s work. A dart-throwing chimp is better at forecasting than most experts. They need to understand that.

troe

We need it all. My local Congressman (she insists on being called that) is the head of the budget committee. She will be hearing from me and others on this.

My admission: I resisted the charms of D J Trump deep into the election. Glad I finally folded even if it was late. Whatever his stylistic quirks he has proven to be a better POTUS than any since Reagan. He ran on certain policies and he is determined to carry them out. I promise to make up for my recalcitrance by working to retain control of Congress in 2018. He will need that to succeed.

Chimp

Since Diane Black (R, TN) worked as a nurse, I assume her wealth comes from her husband David.

troe

Sort of but not exactly. David and Diane built a medical lab business together. Diane is a skeptic keeping her focus on the living standards of her constituents. She holds the seat that Al Gore held for years. Isn’t that sweet.

Chimp

Thanks for the info. Yes, how sweet it is!

Duane

Yup – Trump is doing such a great job that he set the all time record for lowest approval rating ever for any President in his first year in office – he hit 39% percent approval this week.

Butch

…Is that from the same polls that claimed Hillary had a 95% chance of winning ?? LOL

troe

Keep dreaming Duane. We are staging a revolution and therefore breaking a few eggheads. Reagan was down and being counted out by 1982. In 84 he won every state except Minnesota. Better put a book in your baggy pants son. You have another spanking coming.

Chimp

In what poll is that?

He ranges from 42 to 47% approval in the past ten polls, doing better among registered and likely voters than with low information “all adults”.

Ted Clayton

Playing it for the best popularity numbers right after the election you won, is wrong. Do the incendiary stuff first, then as the next election (2018) approaches it’s behind you, and you do more of the up-beat stuff. Timing is everything.

Tear the streets all up to fix the old water-mains … people frown and write letters to the Editor. Come election time … all new asphalt, pedestrian-friendly sideways, clean water in the tap … and yer the toast of the Ballot Box.

Chimp

In the Gallup poll, Clinton had a lower approval rating in 1993 than Trump has yet had in 2017.

http://www.gallup.com/interactives/185273/presidential-job-approval-center.aspx

Trump’s low point in Gallup so far was 38%. Clinton’s was 37% in June 1993.

Chimp

I might add that Clinton’s low rating was because he ran as a centrist, then ruled as a Leftie for the first two years, leading to the Demo-disaster 1994 midterm election.

Trump OTOH has governed as he said he would.

Gary Pearse

Yeah the polls! They’ve been suborned by the ‘Swamp’ for decades. Trump’s numbers from the swamp dwellers are low, which is very encouraging – he’s going to save everybody including the designer-brained core educables that will be snapping away at him while he is rebuilding America.

TA

No president has ever received the amount of negative press and character assassination Trump has received. That is bound to drive down his polls.

I saw a poll today that showed Trump at 53 percent approval. So even in all the noise and lies Trump is going to shine through. Give him six months and he’ll be a lot higher.

willhaas

The reality is that the climate change we are experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control. It is unwise to be spending money trying to solve problems that just cannot be solved. The USA has a huge federal debt, huge annual deficits, and huge annual trade deficits. We just cannot afford to keep throwing our money away. I estimate that the money the federal government is borrowing today will end up costing the tax payers more than 12 tiems the money borrowed to repay over the next 180 years. The greater our debt, the closer we are to financial desaster. There is no evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and plenty of scientific rational to support the idea that the climate sensivity of CO2 is zero.

Bruce Cobb

Greenie heads everywhere are ‘sploding. Not unlike that unfortunate watermelon.

Duane

Trump’s budget proposal was already declared DOA by senior members of his own party. It will never even be debated, let alone voted on, or let alone enacted. A Trump budget is a purely political BS document. Budgets don’t appropriate funds – appropriations bills appropriate funds.

All appropriations bills are enacted by Congress, and must initiate in the House, and per Senate rules require 60 votes. Trump will never get even 51 votes from his own party members for this budget, or for killing off EPA, for which the GOP would get killed in next year’s mid-term elections just for voting for it despite the fact that it can never pass the Senate.

I really wish that wattsupwiththat would stop cheeleading for partisan Trumpkinian politics and would get back to science and policy matters.

And get over this “we must destroy the EPA” childish mindset here. Opinion polling now and for many years and decades has always shown consistently strong public support for environmental protection over the demands of business interests.

The way forward is to stop playing Don Quixote and get down to the serious business of making sound, science based policy decisions. The EPA has in fact exceeded its statutory authority in several areas of rulemaking which have been overturned by Federal courts. What EPA needs to do is stop being political itself and stick to enforcing Federal statutory law. Refocus EPA, but don’t think for a moment that you can “defeat EPA”. Be very careful what you wish for.

Chimp

Ryan has been noncommittal but generally favors cuts. Trump may get more than you suppose. Some of his proposals are negotiating positions, but IMO substantial cuts in non-defense spending will happen. They have to. The federal government can’t keep running trillion dollar deficits every year forever, on a four trillion dollar annual budget.

MarkW

The left wing will respond as always. We can balance the budget by raising the tax rate to 100% for everyone who makes more than I do.

Dinosaurroar

Yea your post is a strawman seeing how his budget doesnt get rid of the epa. Where did you get that notion from?

A 31 pct cut is not getting rid of epa

Ted Clayton

Trump is as good at Don Quixote as he was at Celebrity Apprentice. Being underestimated & misinterpreted (which is easily arranged) is an unfair advantage in TAotD.

Duane

Trump is just as good as he was at running his casino resort businesses – running them into the ground with six, I repeat six serial bankrupcties.

And likely just as good as Trump getting his Muslim ban past the Federal courts.

And just as good as he is at estimating inauguration crowds.

And just as good as proving that 5 million illegals voted for HRC.

And just as good as getting the wall built, and getting the Mexicans to pay for it.

And just as good as making sure everyone in America gets great health insurance, at lower rates, with his Obamacare replacement.

And just as good as he was at vetting and hiring staff, such as his disgraced, Russian-paid National Security Advisor.

Etc. etc etc.

TA

Duane, I have a feeling you are going to be eating a lot of crow in the near future.

Ted Clayton

And Trump does the perfect political Tom Brady. Every time he goes down by more than 20 points, the opposing team starts to sweat BBs. ‘Oh no!’

They’ve learned, when it looks like Trump could never recover … it’s a setup!

Philip

Congress can vote whatever funds they like.
Whether the president chooses to use all the money, or even has employees to pass it on to is purely up to him.

Congress only really controls maximum spend. Not minimum

MarkW

Trump also knows that he can count on a handful of Democrat votes.
Your desire for Trump to fail is causing you to make unwarranted assumptions.

catweazle666

“The way forward is to stop playing Don Quixote and get down to the serious business of making sound, science based policy decisions.”

Oh, absolutely!

I couldn’t agree more.

And that – by gutting Obama’s AGW gravy train “climate science” cabal – and replacing them with politically untainted scientific advisors is precisely what President Trump is doing.

More power to his elbow!

He knows he won’t get all of this. But he will get a lot because people like Pruitt, Tillerson, and Perry will not object. Tillerson in Japan today said he agreed with the proposed State budget cuts. Ebell laid out the EPA plan Pruitt will be implementing. Perry wanted to abolish Energy, not just cut and reform it. I personally have seen how much energy research waste there is in the nariinal labs Energy oversees. To the extent NASA duplicates NOAA, an easy cut. And so on.
And, this will produce more exploding watermelon heads, which will increasing show the Deplorables how our of touch with reality watermelons are.

Duane

None of those guys you listed matter a whit.

Do you even know how our government works? That it is the Congress that enacts laws and appropriates funds, not the President or members of his cabinet?

Geesh, every 13 year old in middle school knows that.

Chimp

Duane,

The chairman of the House Budget Committee is for Trump’s proposal:

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/03/16/heres-how-the-house-budget-chair-is-working-to-get-republicans-on-board-with-trumpcare/

She’s commenter Troe’s representative.

You overestimate the opposition to DJT’s budget.

Duane, I am a Harvard trained lawyer. You really think I don’t know how appropriation budgets workunder the Constitution? My comment point was quite different. The appropriations process often pits the President versus his agencies. See DoD spending cuts for the all time classic. So, absence of resistance by Trump appointees cuts out a whole layer of political cover from congressional swamp critters. That by itself is a useful gambit. Representatives and Senators go home to an ‘irate’ electorate and say, Tillerson was ok with State cuts, so I am also. After all, he runs State.
You need to work both on reading comprehension and straw man faux arguments. The tide has turned. You are exposing your under dressed self as the swamp drains.

hunter

Obama had no budget at all for several years. He just spent what he wanted based on his interpretation of the law. That was cool with the oligarchs. Now suddenly it has to be exact? lol. Kiss off.

Obama never had a budget. Congress has not passed a budget since FY2006. The government has been run on CRAs since then.

Chimp

Hunter,

Misgovernment by continuing resolution, without any budgeting discipline, required the connivance of both parties to ignore the Constitution and all principles of good government, but wouldn’t have been possible without a lawless president.

TA

“Misgovernment by continuing resolution,”

Yes, it is. The Republican Congress has been pathetic. Obama could not have doubled the national debt without the Republicans in Congress going along with him.

I know the Republicans were deathly afraid of being called racists, if they resisted Obama’s spending, but that is not a good enough excuse for me. They should have done their job and held Obama to account.

Now, after Trump is elected, they are going to do their job. We haven’t heard a thing about deficits for eight years, and now that’s all we hear about. Which is good that we are talking about it again, but it is so hypocritical on both the congressional Republicans and Democrat’s part, who haven’t had a care for the debt for the last eight years. NOW they are concerned.

Tom Halla

I am pleasantly pleased thus far with Trump, and more than a bit suprised. BTW Chimp, it was Lopez de Santa Ana in the Texas revolution and the Mexican War, properly shortened to Lopez in English form. Calling him Santa Ana was an example that then current American writers did not understand Spanish naming conventions, as in Pena Nieto, the current Mexican President.

Chimp

Tom,

Living in Chile, married to a non-English speaking Chilean, speaking Spanish for 50 years and conducting business in it daily means that I’m familiar with Castilian naming conventions. I have both my dad’s and mom’s name on my RUT de impuestos.

The names Santana and Santa Anna are the same. The former just spells the name the way it’s pronounced. I know that his dad’s apellidos were Lopez de Santa Anna. But in Mexico and Texas, he’s referred to as Santana or Santa Anna, not Lopez.

San Diego and Santiago are similarly the same. They’re both versions of the name of the same saint.

urederra

San Diego and Santiago are similarly the same. They’re both versions of the name of the same saint.

Just a little nitpick. Diego is a variant of Santiago, but San Diego and Santiago are not the name of the same saint.

From wiki:

Santiago, (also San Iago, San Tiago, Santyago, Sant-Yago, San Thiago) is a Spanish name that derives from the Hebrew name Jacob (Ya’akov) via “Sant Iago”, “Sant Yago”, “Santo Iago”, or “Santo Yago”, first used to denote Saint James the Great, the brother of John the Apostle. It was also the tradition that Saint James (Santiago) had traveled to the Iberian Peninsula during his life and was buried there. The name is also complicated in Spanish in that Jaime and Jacobo are modern versions of James.

Variants of Santiago include Iago (a common Galician language name), and Thiago or Tiago (a common Portuguese language name). The common name James has many forms in Iberia, including Xacobo or Xacobe (in Galician), Jaume, Xaume, Jaime, Jacobo, and Diego (in Spanish). Despite being a cognate, San Diego does not refer to Saint Jacob but to Saint Didacus of Alcalá.

Santiago is also the patron saint of Spain, after whom many cities have been named in Spain itself and throughout its former empire,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_(name)

Chimp

Thanks for picking that nit.

I didn’t know that Diego was a different saint from Iago. I thought the patron saint of Spain was known as Diego, while Iago was an Italian version.

I stand corrected.

nn

Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change, realized. Profits (sic) hurt most.

John M. Ware

To Duane: Speaking for myself, and (I’m sure) the scores of millions who voted like me, I have been very careful what I wish for in respect to the federal government. I have had over two decades to ponder the ruin brought about by Democrats and pusillanimous Republicans too weak to resist the “progressive” mindset. I have watched with horror the evils of the Obama administration, not least of all from O himself; and I have hoped for a Republican to assume true leadership and to set out in the right direction with the resolution and bravery to persevere in the face of the inevitable Democrat/Progressive onslaught. From what we have seen so far, Trump is the leader I’ve been waiting for. He has already made changes, and set others in motion, that will help to repair the damage that I have witnessed. As for specifics: He has promised to return the EPA to its original purpose and pare away its inexcusable over-reaching regulations and decisions; I hope he soon does something that leads to the removal of the idiotic “endangerment” finding about CO2. As for “partisan Trumpkinian politics,” it is less partisan than Obama’s politics in being more patriotic, more truly dedicated to the best interests of the country Trump has sworn to serve. I am happy to see it.

Dinosaurroar

Duane says:

“votes from his own party members for this budget, or for killing off EPA, for which the GOP would get killed in next year’s mid-term elections just for voting”

Duane how is a 31 pct budget cut to the epa the same as killing it off per your claim?

Strawman perhaps?

MarkW

Every good leftist knows that any increase that is less then the agency asked for is a cut, and an actual cut will destroy the agency.

Resourceguy

This is what I was looking for in a candidate. Now implement it.

tony mcleod

Sheesh. I was just getting used to the Anthropocene.

Patrick Powers

Let’s hope that Trump really does get his views implemented. They will help both the USA in the short term and the world in the longer term.

“The Environmental Protection Agency and Department of Transportation took formal action Wednesday to reverse an Obama-era decision to move forward with some of the strictest regulations for cutting emissions and improving fuel efficiency in cars and light trucks.”

That would require an average fleet efficiency of 49.6 mpg in 2025. This would completely change the safety, comfort, affordability, attractiveness and usefulness of cars and trucks.

No doubt an attempt to so hobble the American internal combustion engine cars that people would be forced into worthless little EVs from Germany.

These CAFE standards already add to the price of a new vehicle. But what could also really contribute to rising car prices is the fact that multi-billion dollar settlements have already been imposed over emissions measurements. You have got to be kidding me. These are astronomical fines on car makers over fairy dust measurements.

This will put all car buyers on the hook for massive molecule-counting fines that make no sense at all.

And part of the settlement with German car maker VW is that it is required to invest 2 billion in Electric Vehicles and EV infrastructure in California.

How about if AG Jeff Sessions has a look at this:

(CNSNews.com) – Following the revelation early this year that Volkswagen had failed to accurately report its emissions test results for its diesel vehicles, the Department of Justice (DOJ) reached a $14.7 billion settlement with the German automaker that included $2.7 billion to promote education and infrastructure for electric vehicles across the United States.

Pferdemist

Chimp

As in horse Scheiss?

Ya the Pferdemist needs to be cut.

Eliza

I think it is very important to pursue legally, the fraud which climate scientists carried out at NOAA and NASA and elsewhere ect, to adjust surface worlwide thermometer temperatures to show warming, Only this would actually convince vast numbers of AGW believers worlwide, how they were had for years.

Gary Pearse

Eliza, right on! I’m concerned that relief over the rebuilding of the economy, slashing of regulations, stripping off waste, defunding scams…. we will be too magnanimous with the ugly characters that have cost the whole world so much and taken us to the brink of dark ages. A reckoning for this monstrous malfeasance is necessary to make would be future scoundrels think twice.

Resourceguy

Does this mean no more climate change plays and poetry?

Chimp

You should be able to pick up polar bear costumes for a song.

So

The True History
Long sitting on a huge black horse

In the tree line just there in the dark

Watching the liars of his true history

Anger growing

Red hot anger in his eyes

Now he comes with the sword of truth

The huge black horse with hooves striking fire from the stone path hooves of steel

Now comes the judgement long delayed by the greedy enablers of corruption!

Clop Clop Clop CLOP CLOP CLOP

tony mcleod

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JBom

A good start; 7-others (7-years) needed.

And there is Congress; 2-vote majority is not a winner. By October 1 we may have government again by Continuing Resolution.

On a very bright note I check a few Fed web sites. Yep! John Holdren vacated his seat at NSF a few days before 20 January. Now he is free to join the 22 April protests and show his butt for the March for Aryan Science and the Homocentric Universe Dogma (i.e. Anthropogenic Global Warming [“Climate Change”]).

Some questions about where are the NSF cuts. Maybe Trump will not appoint a NSF Director, allow the staff to wriggle and resign (also without replacement) along with those of the National Science Board, and just no money from OMB.

A slow process of marginalization and down-sizing without drawing attention from Communists (er Democrats) in Congress.

Ha ha

David S

It will be interesting to see how many real conviction alarmists there are who when the money dries up will devote their own time and money for the cause. This is what skeptics have done for years. In Australia the Climate Authority showed minimal conviction when donations dried up. Let’s close. What’s the next scare we can invent to fleece the gullible. Without the money things may implode quicker than one thinks, especially with the South Australian canary in the coal mine showing the rest of the world how a renewable energy economy really looks.

KC

Great news! The EPA & the rest of the “climate” programs have gotten out of hand and needed to be reined in. Thank you President Trump!

‘Trump’s budget to “hammer climate programs” across the Federal government!!!’

Lets hope that this is true. Let’s make it true…WUWT.

seaice1

“The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Sea Grant program provides grants for research efforts intended to help coastal communities deal with a wide variety of challenges. Lately, that has included climate change.”

I am interested how you view the fact that Trump company cited rising sea levels cause by AGW as a reason to install coastal defenses for his golf course in Ireland.

Is this simply standard business practice? You say whatever you need to to get what you want? if that is the case, why does he want sea defenses anyway? Or is it secret acknowledgement that he believes in AGW and sea level rise?

Is there any good way to spin this?

JPeden

Sounds a lot like Fake News.

seaice1

JPeden. I assure you this is not fake news. It is not sensible to dismiss everything you don’t like as fake. Trump was denied permission to build a sea wall to protect his golf course. He appealed, and that submission contained the following:

““If the predictions of an increase in sea level rise as a result of global warming prove correct, however, it is likely that there will be a corresponding increase in coastal erosion rates not just in Doughmore Bay but around much of the coastline of Ireland. In our view, it could reasonably be expected that the rate of sea level rise might become twice of that presently occurring. … As a result, we would expect the rate of dune recession to increase.”

What does everyone think? Just smart business?

MarkW

It was one of many reasons, not the only reason.
Even when telling the truth you lie.

seaice1

MarkW. I said a reason, not the reason. I take care with my writing, please try to take care with your reading.

JPeden

seaice1 March 17, 2017 at 1:46 am

JPeden. I assure you this is not fake news. It is not sensible to dismiss everything you don’t like as fake.

You still haven’t sourced your claim.

JPeden

seaice1 March 16, 2017 at 5:06 pm

Is this simply standard business practice?

You still haven’t sourced your claim. But let’s say it’s true. The question then becomes not “Why did Trump’s Lawyers, or Trump appear to believe in CO2-Climate Change at that time” but “Why do you still Believe In CO2-Climate Change?”

catweazle666

Disingenuous – mendacious even, even by your standards.

Much of the East Coast of Great Britain – including Scotland – is subject to severe erosion entirely unconnected with sea level rise.

2. Coastal erosion

2.1 Coastal erosion affects most coastlines in Scotland at rates ranging from <1mm per year on hard igneous cliffs to 4m per year or more on certain dune coastlines. In Scotland it is generally only on non-rocky coastlines, where the coastal edge is formed of mud, sand, shingle or glacial deposits, that erosion progresses sufficiently rapidly to be of concern to landowners and managers.

http://www.snh.org.uk/publications/on-line/advisorynotes/72/72.html

From the Trump Golf Course information site:

Welcome to Trump International Golf Links, Scotland! Set amidst The Great Dunes of Scotland, Trump International embraces mile after mile of spectacular Aberdeenshire coastline and guarantees the experience of a lifetime.

http://www.trumpgolfscotland.com/default.aspx?p=dynamicmodule&pageid=100111&ssid=100128&vnf=1

Moreover, sea level around Scotland is currently becoming lower due to isostatic readjustment and has been doing so since the retreat of the glaciers.

https://www.dur.ac.uk/news/newsitem/?itemno=8805

The reason for the installation and maintenance of coastal defences in Scotland has nothing to do with fear of imaginary sea level rise.

You really don’t know what you’re wittering about, do you?

Bill Illis

Let’s remember changes need to be made in the grant funding decision making bodies as well. All of these are captured by climate alarmists now, so almost everyone one of them that doles out money related to any research field at all, needs a wholesale change of all members.

Most of these are specifically allocated to various scientific organizations so these changes will be difficult to roll out.

Rob Dawg

As part of the Paris climate deal in 2015, the United States pledged not just to cut emissions, but also to offer $3 billion in aid to poorer countries to help them adapt to climate change and build clean energy. So far, the Obama administration has chipped in $1 billion. This was seen as crucial for bringing these countries into the deal.

The best way for those nations to show their displeasure and solidarity is for them to throw that first billion dollars back in our face saying “No thanks!”

Should I hold my breath?

Rob Dawg

How many signatories to the letter from Climate Scientists promising not to accept one thin dime from the Trump administration? Is there a running total someplace? Asking for a friend.

Rob Dawg

Okay. Maybe i spoke too soon. Since the Obama administration shuffled a half billion USD to the UN good works the global temperature has indeed come down. I proposed that based upon this amazing result that the US contribute an equal amount for equal reductions and since funding = temperature that the US be paid in kind for any failure to control global temps.

Rob Dawg

Should I hold my breath?

While not necessary it is not recommended. There is a vast chasm twixt environmental law and science. Golf courses are subject to law. There is nothing in law that demands science. Scopes lost. People forget that.

Chimp

Subsequent federal court cases have however supported science. It’s unconstitutional, ie illegal, now to teach creationism as science, as it should be. Ditto so-called “intelligent design”, which was shown in court to be old creationist vinegar in a new bottle. Hilariously so, since the ID garbage was easily shown to be copied from creationist claptrap. The latter 2005 proceeding, Tammy Kitzmiller, et al. v. Dover Area School District, et al., has been called the Dover Panda Trial, in honor of the Scopes Monkey Trial.

Scopes was wrong and his loss was scientificically correct. Particles to people evolution through natural selection acting on random mutation not only did not happen; it could not have happened.

The only ‘greenhouse gas’ that has any significant effect on climate is water vapor. Water vapor has been and still is increasing, which is countering the downtrend in average global temperature that would otherwise be occurring, The cause of the water vapor increase, which is greater than expected for the temperature increase, is being essentially ignored.

Chimp

Re the graphic, it’s a lot more fun to shoot watermelons with belt-fed machine guns. The gourd variety, that is, not the human.

MarkW

You had me worried for a second.

Edward Katz

The most important cut is the one sending money to the developing world which is supposedly to use it to help mitigate climate change. The problem is that we never seem to know whether it’s actually being used for that purpose or simply winding up in state coffers for other projects or the personal bank accounts of government officials. The fact that this money is being cut suggests that it’s not going to where it was intended; in fact, wasn’t there a report that one of the recipient nations was using it to build a coal-fired plant for electrical generation?

kramer

Love the graphic of the ‘watermelon’ getting smashed! It’s perfect!

Bill Illis

Trump’s budget director at OMB, Mick Mulvaney on climate change funding at the news conference today about the budget.

Haven’t tried linking to this website before so I’m not sure what will happen and it does not appear to be linked anywhere else.

(BUT this is the words we have all been waiting to hear for more than a decade).

http://www.snappytv.com/tc/4210397

Chimp

Awesome! Thanks.

So much for the making nice jabber about Ivanka and her urban liberal friends changing The Donald’s mind during the transition.

DJT is sticking with the people who elected him, not the bubble-dwelling coastal elites.

Knute

For consideration

Proposing a budget like this is a dandy start but please realize that the money that floats around concerning CAGW is a highly sophisticated financial scam. Many NGOs and favored operatives have figured out how to commit the USG to forward funding schemes that would curdle your milk. For instance, big money is actually embedded in various DOD contracts and contributes to its wastefulness. The budget money being talked about is tip of the iceberg stuff concerning agencies like EPA.

What DJT really needs is a TASK FORCE of forensic accountants to unravel USG commitments concerning CAGW. The Senate Minority Report of 2014 is an excellent point of departure document. Here’s a link to JoNovas exec summary. http://joannenova.com.au/2014/08/senate-report-billionaires-covertly-funding-far-left-environmental-machine/

Why do we need climate scientists if the climate science is settled? Thanks, Australia, we owe you one!

seaice1

Yes Dean, that was foolish of them to do themselves out of a job by declaring the field of climate science solved.

Brian H

Every $1 cut for C.C. projects generates $Many in real economic returns.

And lets be fair, Trump is not just hammering environmental issues, he is also hitting education, healthcare , NASA, housing and development and a host of other departments. However the Military, Veterans and homeland security will do well out of the budget. Do such budgets give any indication of how Trump sees the major issues addressing the US, and how he sees the future?
https://twitter.com/business/status/842333969664356352/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

MarkW

Trump is cutting back on departments that don’t work, and aren’t federal responsibilities in the first place.
Good for him.

That is maybe his rationale Mark. Looking at the data published by Bloomberg it seems that substantially more departments will have funding cut than those who have increased funding. It’s possible that a lot more people will be upset at these cuts than are pleased. That could translate into voting intentions.
Many people voted for Trump as he stated he would ditch the Affordable Care Act. Now that many of them realise they may be the very people affected, how will they react? I believe many Trump voters were those without hope, the poor and disposed as it were who had lost all faith in the US political system. The coal miners in Kentucky, steel workers in the rust belts, poor farmers. Once they understand that it is they who are paying for these cuts, they may be very unhappy.
Tory party chancellors have learned this lesson the hard way in the UK. They phase in cuts and austerity so that is no sudden shock to the population. I suppose at least he has carried out the unpopular actions early in his Presidency so that in four years people may have forgotten the pain.

TA

“Many people voted for Trump as he stated he would ditch the Affordable Care Act. Now that many of them realise they may be the very people affected, how will they react?”

Nobody knows what exactly is in the health care bill now, or what it will look like when it is finished, other than Trump administrtion people saying Americans will not be worse off after Obamacare is abolished.

Noone supposedly will be left out in the cold, according to the Trump administration. But one wouldn’t know that by listening to the MSM, who are claiming all sorts of people are going to be losers in this bill.

I have to laugh when I see polls that claim 50 percent of respondents don’t like the new health care law. As if any of them even know what is in it. How can they judge? How can the MSM judge? The answer is they cannot because noone has presented a coherent picture of the program (it has to be passed in three phases as of now) other than saying people will not be worse off after Obamacare is abolished.

Trump had a meeting today with a bunch of undecided Republicans and some who were against the current bill structure, and at the end of the meeting today, Trump said eveyone in the room got on board and supported the bill. So things may not be as chaotic as the MSM and others make things out to be.

You cannot depend on getting the real picture of things from the MSM. They are nearly all looking to fault Trump, and that’s all they are looking to do. Accurate reporting is out the window.

co2islife

Trump also has to put pressure on other Nations about their budget. Germany can help pay for the wall by fully funding their NATO obligations. The less we give NATO, the more we can spend at home.
Climate “Science” on Trial; Germany Builds Wind Farms While NATO Burns
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2017/03/17/climate-science-on-trial-germany-builds-wind-farms-while-nato-burns/

John Leggett:

To place “science” in quotation marks is entirely appropriate. Thank you for doing so!

co2islife

LOL, thanks.

John Leggett

1) Many of the EPA’s climate programs would be terminated. Trump is proposing a sweeping 31 percent cut to the EPA’s budget — from $8.2 billion down to $5.7 billion. it should be aA sweeping cut 87.8 percent from billion 8.2 down to to 1.0004 billion.

2) The Department of Energy’s R&D programs would be reoriented and scaled back.
Zero out Department of Energy. It was created to help us get to energy independence. We have reached that goal.

3) State Department funding for climate change is axed. Good is there any way to get the 1 billion back that the Obama administration through away.

4) NASA’s Earth-monitoring programs are cut. They are paying for cooking the books.

5) A key NOAA program to help coastal communities adapt to climate change would be gone. A better program do away with taxpayer supported flood insurance. They will quickly adapt.
Could someone explain to me what Sea Grant, NOAA programs for coastal management has to do with NOAA.

“One reason we know so much about climate change…” Wrong!

In information theoretical terms the “knowledge” is the mutual information of a specific climate model. It is the information that is available for the purpose of regulating the climate. To create a model for which the mutual information is non-nil takes a statistical population but climatologists have yet to identify one. Thus, though we have spent lots of money on the research we have gained nothing of any value in regulating the climate from this expenditure.