Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Leading French Presidential Candidate Emmanuel Macron has invited the entire US climate science community to relocate to France.
Climate scientists wary of Trump: Please come to France, says presidental hopeful
By Martin Enserink Feb. 10, 2017 , 8:15 AM
The mediagenic wunderkind of French presidential politics has a message for U.S. scientists, engineers, and entrepreneurs working on climate change and worrying about their future under President Donald Trump: Come to France.
In a video posted to his Facebook and Twitter accounts late last night (and hashtagged #ScienceMarch), Emmanuel Macron renewed his commitment to fighting global warming and extended a warm welcome: “We want people working on climate change, energy, renewables, and new technologies. France is your nation.”
He may well get an opportunity to make good on his promise. Polls released this week suggest that Macron, the founder of a new center-left party who is campaigning on environmental protection, has soared past two more traditional candidates and is likely to face Marine Le Pen, the leader of the extreme-right National Front, in the 7 May runoffs. One poll says he’d defeat her with 63% of the votes.
For most scientists, moving to France is easier said than done, says Michael Halpern, deputy director of the Center for Science and Democracy at the Union of Concerned Scientists in Washington, D.C. “It’s not as if you can just pick up a NASA climate satellite and just reassign it to France,” Halpern says. “But politicians the world over now recognize that science is a global endeavor, and seem increasingly eager to ensure that it is not disrupted by political interference. Gag orders and immigration bans do make it more challenging for scientists to do their work.”
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Lets hope US climate scientists take up Macron’s offer.
I’ve got to say there are worse places to live. French food is fantastic, the women are beautiful. In many rural regions, such as the lovely Lespignan, the delicious local wine is served using petrol bowsers attached to 10,000 litre tanks – you either bring your own plastic container, or they supply one. France also has its own space programme, no doubt they could help climate scientists with any additional satellites they require.
Of course, if climate skeptic Presidential candidate Marine Le Penn wins the election, the offer might be withdrawn. So best be quick.
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Socialist Macron will find that supporting these rent-seekers he’s inviting to France will be far more expensive than even he can imagine.
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Oh yeah, DC is well known as an international center of scientific excellence but why the “Center for Science and Democracy” ? Sounds like a fundamental conflict of motives, which is it, science or politics?
Maybe the D.C address is a clue.
Well at least they are “concerned”, so they must be good guys.
Yep. When they use a word to describe themselves you know they are the opposite. Every country that describes itself as the Democratic Republic of whatever is a totalitarian dictatorship.
The prize goes to the ‘Democratic People’s Republic of Korea’, rated the least democratic government in the world. link
Their name essentially states what they really believe: science is a democracy, and some people get to vote on what constitutes fact.
Can we vote on who “gets” to move to France? And make sure they have to live in the most hellish part available?
Can the take California with them?
Macron was socialist but has moved to the right and now is independent and considered to be centrist.
The socialist candidate is Benoit Hamon, who is offering 750 euros monthly payment to all adult citizens regardless of employment status or income.
While I was over there escaping English cold weather, they had the Socialist party primaries where anyone could vote by paying 1 euro in each round, with number of well known candidates, including current prime minister. All students and unemployed, low paid, etc. who in the past never bothered to vote rushed to the polling booths, and no surprise almost unknown Benoit Hamon, with no other policies of any kind won the first then the second round, beating current PM by almost 3:2.
Two days later he got blessing from the current French president as the official socialist candidate.
And people in the US, who hold European politics in such high regard, then complain about vote buying in US elections! The hypocrisy is so thick you could cut it with a spoon.
Something jars when a former Rothshild investment banker (where he closed a high-profile deal between Nestlé and Pfizer, making him a millionaire), assumes the mantle of a “socialist”. He’s an EU enthusiast, supports the open-door policy toward immigrants pursued by Merkel and asserts France’s ability to absorb more immigrants, despite the very obvious problems this has given rise to in Europe and France in particular. The fact that he was also invited to attend the most recent Bilderberg meeting suggests he’s being parachuted into position to uphold the interests of the élite, like Blair and Clinton before him.
Read his manifest. There are no right wing politicians in france. Its hard to find one in the whole of Europe.
The americans will love it here. First they will need french citizenship to avoid double tax (at least two years). French and American tax. Then they will need to learn a little french and get used to no shops being open on Mondays and Sundays except to sell perishables. Then the price and quality of food will need some getting used to. Follow that with the lack of large cars, high fuel prices (we pay as much for litre as US does for a gallon) Then last but not least, salaries are very much lower and tax very much higher with house prices in large towns being double some US.
Come one come all. Like the London financiers. Oh yeah. In their hoards NOT
“Read his manifest.”
My immediate neighbours down in the south one of each: English, German and Russian and myself (we are all climate refuges) have many far less important things to do.
he has never been a socialist – he worked for “rothschild” – and moreover he will never be elected as president –
I wonder why you never talk of ” François Asselineau” and his party “upr;fr”
Stephen, just one comment. Housing is nowhere near double in France what it is in America. Perhaps if you are comparing with New York. However, one of my friends who transferred to Paris is paying twice as much for his two-bedroom flat as I am for an embarrassingly large house in Houston. It’s at least 5 times American housing costs.
do you know who is the wife of this socialist ?
benofhouston February 12, 2017 at 10:02 pm
Guess like for like it depends on your nationality as well. When the rest of Europe started buying heavily in france many years ago, the immobiliers had a price for the french buyers and a much higher one for the foreigners. Climate change crooks probably would not be coming with huge sums of money to buy and yes you can buy a very nice house well away from the towns. Arcachon, 500.000€ for an appartement, Bordeaux 250.000€ for an appartement, where I live 100kms from Bordeaux 250.000€ will buy you 1.7hectare 4-5 bedrooms, 150m² single level, with large swimming pool.
There are no reply buttons on these other comments. Love Vuks !
I appreciate that some Americans use the term ‘socialist’ to describe anybody who is vaguely left of centre, but “During a visit to the Vendée in August 2016, (Macron) stated, ‘Honesty compels me to say that I am not a socialist.’” (Wikipedia) That statement may or may not have been made for political reasons but he was an investment banker and became a millionaire as a result of a deal he closed between Nestlé and Pfizer. But maybe he’s a champagne socialist, although he was born in Amiens not in Marne.
Amiens is UMP and Vendée is socialist. Royal’s region. The nutty fanny of Hollande who spent 4,000000€ on a solar panel road up north.
Leftist Americans will just love France:
France: Anti-Christian Attacks Rise 245 Per Cent
http://www.prisonplanet.com/france-anti-christian-attacks-rise-245-per-cent.html
Today’s journals think that Macron has plunged in popularity and the EU is starting to interfere in the election to avoid a Le Pen win. Worried people across Europe at the moment
Please Climate scientist/Fraudsters GO to France and don’t come crawling back EVER!!
…and don’t let the door hit you on the ass on your way out!
How long before the new Administration gets into the data and the fraud is exposed. That’s what I want to know? After that, they’ll be departing for France on their own.
Do we have an extradition treaty with France?
Maybe they should consider going to Russia, Cuba, or N. Korea.
No problem, with other people’s money.
The Union of Concerned Scientists is claimed by some to be a left leaning activist organization with an emphasis on combating fossil fuel companies vis a vis global warming. I suggest that do some research and draw your own conclusions.
If he truly represents the Rothschilds, as has been implied, money is no object.
Sounds like a win-win solution to me! They could be the first true “climate refugees”. They can even take their models and adjusted data with them. We keep the satellites and raw data.
Now is a good time to put the claim that Trump is a great deal maker to the test. If he can convince France they have to take the social justice warriors as part of the deal as well, he will convert me into a supporter.
+1 and I would start a “go fund me” campaign to pay for their tickets! The “fly me France one way” campaign!
Er, guys, if you think you can just fly-tip your toxic waste in Europe – think again.
Re: climate refugees. Was thinking more along the lines of Barrow, Alaska. Plenty of land, room, cool climate. No tax monies required. State could offer them their normal share of Alaska’s oil royalties once they became citizens. Those declining could partake of Barrow’s abundant fish, seal, reindeer, occasional whale, etc.
All cheaters welcome, oui
We have plenty already. The list is too long here but you can now add the ‘right’ wing candidate M.Fillon and his wife. Think, Lagarde, Sakozy, Chirac, Mitterand etc
“Climate scientists wary of Trump: Please come to France, says presidental hopeful”
This is conclusive proof that these climate nutters have officially gone off the deep end. What exactly are they wary of? Would it perhaps be that they will be forced to back up their claims in a scientific manner to the nation? Oh the humanity.
Even Griff sounds fairly normal when compared to these wackadoodles.
Maybe Griff is an AWEA/CanWEA/EWEA troll?
Is anybody raising money to help these “climate scientists” relocate to France? If so, count me in.
Yes, it’s called the Ira Einhorn fund for environmentalist murderers and asylum seekers. He claimed CIA agents killed his girlfriend and locked her cut up body in a trunk in his apartment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ira_Einhorn
Air Fresheners to keep the pollution down. A true environmentalist.
yeah, not only did the CIA kill her, but they were so clever they managed to hide her body INSIDE Einhorns apartment for 18 months, and he swears he never noticed!!!
(but the neighbors sure noticed, imagine that)
France? I thought they had all moved to Canada.
They don’t like the climate in Canada–way too cold.
How’s that for abject irony?
Sadly, you’re already paying for these climate scientists, jay. It would be sad to see them double dollar down.
She won’t win.
OK, Le Pen will win the first round but then everyone will unite to stop the FN from gaining power in the second.
Is Antony OK after the enigmatic last post?
Which means we are in even bigger dodos. Macron has less experience at anything than Obummer.
Trudeau has everyone beat- hands down.
It’s the young and verrry attractive Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, who is the true rising star of the French right.
She is elegant, beautiful and very pious (from a Roman Catholic perspective).
But she’s still a bit pro-Vichy in her politics.
To paraphrase Louis Renault, “I go with the wind. And the prevailing wind is from Vichy.”
Vivre la prevailing wind!
They would have to learn to lie in two languages.
Since human stupidity is infinite, but the human head is limited, it is to doubt that they can do so. Scientists are not known as linguistics. For the rest, the chances for Le Pen are better than ever. Every candidate, left and center, has stained some affair. The President-in-Office did not even interfere with the party-internal exactions, and whether the voters wanted to participate in the fraternities of the block parties this time is very questionable. It may well be that France can only become a transit country for some of the climatic refugees. Le Pen is even more radical than Trump in this relationship. And dissatisfaction is even greater in France than in the USA.
Le Pen is as phony as the rest of them.
France is literally dying. And not from ‘global warming’. The ‘French’ population is in full collapse. The alien population is taking over rapidly.
And not only France. Most of Europe including Scandinavia and the UK are completely overrun by Muslims who’s birth rate is massively higher than that of the host population, No one says it because they cannot accept that it’s actually happening. The ‘funny’ thing is that other Countries like the US, Canada, New Zealand etc. simply cannot wait to join Europe in the total annihilation of their own cultures. Civilisation is lost and a new dark age will be here within thirty years or so. Who can say if and when that may ever end.
Meaning?
Steve (Paris) February 12, 2017 at 10:24 am
Good question, François. Le Pen is genuine in her beliefs but doesn’t publish all of them. I voted for her last election cos we need to shut the EU before they destroy our culture and lifestyle.
If it’s anything like Québec, they certainly will have to learn French, the so-called “common language” in this province. C’est tout à fait “normal” de communiquer dans la langue de Molière. Oh, was that me slipping into French again? Sorry!!
Common Language? Years ago a friend of mine was in a telco helicopter flying along the North Shore with a guy from Baie Trinite and another from Havre St Pierre – they couldn’t understand each others Joual and had to talk in english.
They would have to learn to lie in two languages.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
First chuckle of the day
Wine from petrol bowsers reminds me of an image from years ago of an Italian tanker ship being filled with bulk wine with a 15 cm diameter hose. When the tank went full the operator unlatched the nozzle and released a geyser of Chianti. Then came the ethylene glycol scandal that I also associate with that image.
A bowser perhaps, but never exposed to petrol.
That was in Ausria, as far as I can remember.
Maybe it’s an urban myth, because I clearly remember it as being France.
France can afford to support AGW because it has invested in nuclear energy so much in the past.
And now it plans to scale back nuclear and install more renewables.
It faces a truly enormous bill to refurbish and keep its reactors safe and running
Won’t happen if the Socialists lose the election.
All the more reason for climate scientists to move there. They can live with the reality of their ideas, not in a fantasy like here in the USA.
“It faces a truly enormous bill to refurbish and keep its reactors safe and running”
And an even bigger bill to replace them with unreliable renewables which also requires significant spinning reserve to back them up in case a cloud passes by or the wind drops off. Electricity distribution is demand driven, not supply driven, and this simple fact is conveniently ignored by those who want to see more renewables. Of course, they also ignore the science which says in no uncertain terms that the sensitivity claimed by the IPCC is about 4x too large. This is the real inconvenient truth.
Gloateus Maximus February 12, 2017 at 7:49 am
Won’t happen if the Socialists lose the election.
Not so sure. Macron has hinted he will continue to close them. Royal of pavement fame wants to close half by 2025. This is mainly because of the cost of keeping them going. We are currently building one new one but trying to close Fessenheim and one other.
Griff, Is there that much unused land in France?
The cost of nuclear is nothing compared to the cost of renewables.
Would academics purchase lab equipment for their own use that only works part time like wind and solar?
Maybe this could be arranged?
France is another place where the low cost leaders in world solar had to walk away because of the protectionist made-in-France rules.
Never mind. I see it is due to electric heating rather than gas – something we were advised to do by the unlamented DECC.
Well over the last few months the UK has been supplying France with power (mainly during peak load). Only 1GW, as the other 1 GW line has been damaged.
This is due to possible steel problems in the pressure domes.
Most nukes now back on line but UK still pulling / pushing 500MW to France – Is UK cheaper than the French nukes? despite the wind input
nah, France power s most of W europe, and the renewable crap aint delivering and some nukes are still down. UK has coal and some gas to spare
I’ve rejigged gridwatch (France) a bit so it almost makes sense…
http://gridwatch.templar.co.uk/france/
Why is French demand twice UK demand according to Gridwatch?
Funny how supporrt for an economic theory correlates with belief in a climate theory. You would almost beleive that politics is taking place.
There’s a clear link between climate scepticism and the US right and with similar right leaning parties worldwide.
I conclude that derives from the funding of those parties.
As always, you conclude wrongly.
It comes from the lack of scientific basis for the CACA religion.
There’s a clear link between climate alarmism and the US left and with similar left leaning parties worldwide.
I conclude that derives from the funding of those parties.
Or from the superior understanding of the lack of science and the slight of hand involved in trying to market the idea rather than actually using the science. Which of course can not be done since the theory is not proving what is wanted.
You could be right though—Tom Steyer pumped millions or billions into elections to prove that climate change was “real” for the Left. Also many other millionaire and billionaire businessmen and corporations. So the global warming crowd truly does have millions and millions politically invested in this. It has to affect their political voting habits. You make an excellent point there, Griff. Climate science is definately funded by the Left and politically pushed by the Left who apparently need to spend more money in the future trying to win by election what they lose in science.
Thank you for agreeing that this is a political battle. That has been our main point from day one.
It became a strictly political issue when the IPCC was formed. The political left is so vested in the broken science that the scientific truth is politically devastating and is why they have such a hard time accepting it. The longer it takes them to realize the truth, the harder the fall will be.
Griff,
Skepticism and The Scientific Method,are mostly practiced by the right side.
That is the CRUCIAL difference from your Leftist ideals of Propaganda,and unverified models,driving climate policy.
Right leaning politics believes governments almost never get it right because they limit competition and it is the competition of ideas that leads to the truth.
I take back my remark from above where I said that Griff sounds fairly normal compared to these wackadoodles.
It has to do with Left longstanding hatred of all things hydrocarbon.
Except for their iPhone.
And their jet flights.
And their flat-screens.
And their…
The CAGW movement is nothing but a Trojan horse created by the left to advance the war on individual sovereignty that seeks to destroy liberty and create a distopia based on Mathusian-Marxist-Gramscian quackery.
As usual Griff, your conclusions are wrong. There is a correlation, but it is not because of funding. Left leaning people tend to make decisions based on their feelings rather than rational consideration. People on the right tend to be rational thinkers. People on the extreme “left” or “right” are neither left or right, but are unabashed totalitarians.
You can recognize lefties; they start many arguments with “I feel”, whereas righties start out with “I think”. People on the left are more easily swayed by fear, so telling them something will cause a catastrophe is a sure way to help ensure their support. As long as you appeal to their emotions, you can lead them around however you wish. It is all about the messaging, not the facts. They don’t want to be confused about the facts.
But people on the right are more immune to emotional appeals. They know that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and that such proof requires iron-clad facts to back it up. They will not accept hand waving and appeals to authority. And the more uncertainty there is, the more they will doubt it. They apply this to science, government, finances, engineering, etc. Only areas of love and art are left to the emotional side.
Funding sometimes explains individual biases, however it almost never holds for larger groups. Hillary Clinton outspent President Trump by a 2:1 margin, but she still lost the election. If funding explains everything, how can that be possible?
Any explanation other than cost will do, right Griff.
Oddly enough it was the wholehearted adoption of the Global Warming Hoax by the Left which repelled me and I have gradually abandoned many of my earlier ‘socialist’ views!
When they abolished the MWP and the LIA, I understood that tribal/politics had triumphed over science and history!
Have you ever heard of Maurice Strong, Griff?
Use that app called Google and return and report.
That’s the problem Griff, it’s not a left or right choice.
It’s liberty or control.
I certainly don’t think they’ve proven a case to disrupt the world.
They have no idea what the earth’s peak temperature was 3000 ya.
Temperature data is not accurate enough.
Why should I believe the stories the climate alarmists spread?
Whenever given a choice, government should decide in favor of freedom.
That’s what the constitution is for.
You mean there’s a clear link between skepticism of academia and the US non-progressives, since progressivism is a product of academia.
The difference is that liberals feel, while conservatives think.
Griff. The link between CAGW and the neo-champagne global sinistrals has little to do with science. It is because post normal science is a tool that can be used (indeed was created) solely for political purposes (a chain of such “issues a la Club of Rome are part of the same family as CAGW. The poor lambs that are out protesting free enterprise’s “globalization” are unaware that the ‘elite progressives’ are creating the policies to enlist big business in their end game. Big business is just doing what it always does, looks to enhance profits. They play the CAGW game, too, because it, too, adds goodwill and profit and the real operators are shielded by the masses blaming it all on corporations. With the “progressives” it is disengenuous to even have elections, because the people who vote for them aren’t their constituents. I’ve told friends who are socialists that the traditional party they support no longer exists except in name. At least at one time they believed they were helping the poor, but not anymore. They are helping to make everybody poor and dependent on something extraterritorial. You are clearly too young to get this stuff.
There is as a crude but effective way to check which side of the argument has the most money. Type “Climate change” into Google and count the paid-for ads.
They can join the Radical Muslims that have come from the Middle-East. The Left have a natural affinity with liars and thugs or alternatively more stupid than we give them credit for.
I didn’t see where he mentioned supplying them with $$$$$$$$ in government grants.
Forget government grants. You’ve got Tom Steyer spending millions, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, etc. Who needs direct government handouts when the richest people in the world are paying to government to support them with wind subsidies, solar handouts, etc? Sure, the grants fund research, but the billionaires support those who hand out the grants. Without the money from these people, global warming would have died out years ago.
I don’t care if private citizens waste their money this way. I do care if they waste mine.
I read Tommy bailed out of the climate change scare business.
Not enough support from others.
don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
France would be wise to continue to play the role of carnival barker in the Climate Hustle to her neighbors Germany, Belgium, Italy.
France has the mostly carbon-free electricity the others believe they need under the Paris Climate Agreement. Of course, they all need electricity and programs like Germany’s EnergieWinde (sic?) are massive failures.
Wasn’t nuclear deemed not green by the IPCC and greenpiss
The post title tells all you need to know about the true purpose of the entire scam, international Socialism
But politicians the world over now recognize that science is a global endeavor, and seem increasingly eager to ensure that it is not disrupted by political interference Pure BS. Political interference is all they are interested in.
Steve,
Agreed. In fact, any time the government funds science, it is interfering, because the funding always comes with stipulations on what can be studied. And government funding is always politically directed. So the notion that only now, under the Trump administration, there is political interference in “science”, is ridiculous.
They would be the first real climate refugees!
The country that sacked France’s top meteorologist for being a skeptic.
Who is that man?
Philippe Verdier is his name. He dared write a book criticizing the state religion.
Up to speed, nice one Francois.
Philippe Verdier: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Verdier
RIGHT, I remember
He wasn’t a top man. Merely a minion working at a TV station. He was their main presenter. As I remember
Let the parasites go.
“the delicious local wine is served using petrol bowsers attached to 10,000 litre tanks – you either bring your own plastic container, or they supply one.”
I wouldn’t have believed this statement unless I hadn’t seen it for myself in Sicily. Sicily is a great place to visit, you just don’t want to live there.
What will it take for these people to admit that things are cooling. When the oceans start sucking in the co2 due to them being cooler. Remember Argo showed cooling so they homogenized the values with ship readings.(the old bucket system). The co2 levels will go down and they will claim they won the war on climate change but we will freeze our butts off.
Off into the wilderness they go.
Well meant yet lost.
maybe the EUs searched for solution to her demographic problems:
https://www.google.at/search?client=ms-android-samsung&q=north+african+pregnant+immigrants&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0
A bit racist methinks?
Explain please, François. You’re comment looks a bit racist to me.
Fake news Johann.
Beweise!
who would want to live in France?…..already swamped with Islamist immigrants
Beautiful country, fine food, great people and more control over muslims than the rest of Europe including UK
More control over muslims? You have got to be kidding.
Like Luxembourg. One imagines to have control. In France there are soon more children of Muslim parents than French, at least in the large cities. In Luxembourg (capital) it is the same. There you can find almost only playing children with Arabic sounds. The Islamization of Europe is in full swing and you are talking about control?
my dream to live for a while in France is now dead….so sad…will miss the fine food, great people etc
you can have them but please also take bernie and that crazy voice lady what’s her name pocahontas.
chaamjamal,
No, you mean FAUXcahontas. Pocahontas at least was a real indian.