Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Vox has written a hilarious article about how giving people who love clean energy a choice about whether to use renewables would destroy the industry.
Ohio clean energy standards are toast unless Gov. John Kasich steps in to save them
The legislature wants to make them voluntary.
Updated by David Roberts david@vox.com Dec 13, 2016, 9:30am EST
Renewable energy is extremely popular with the American public, across partisan lines. The evidence is found not only in polls, but in tangible action at the state level: 29 states and Washington, DC, have passed some version of a renewable portfolio standard (RPS), which requires state utilities to get a minimum percentage of their power from renewables.
Despite many attempts from fossil fuel companies, big utilities, and conservative groups, no RPS put in place has ever been repealed.
The closest any state has come was in 2014, when Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) signed a law suspending the state’s clean energy mandates for two years.
Now that two years is up. But the Ohio legislature has just passed a bill that would make the RPS voluntary, effectively extending the suspension, for two more years. The bill is on Kasich’s desk; he will either sign it into law or veto it soon.
Kasich has said he wants to end the suspension. “I think we should embrace these renewables,” he told reporters on November 30. “We think these goals that were established for renewables, both solar and wind, can be met.” He added that “I just would hope the legislature will not have a headline that Ohio went backward on the environment.” However, he stopped short of saying he would veto the bill.
Now he’ll have to make that decision.
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Read more: http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2016/12/13/13915236/ohio-clean-energy-mandates-kasich
Why does “popular” green energy require rigid government enforcement? Why can’t people be free to make their own choices? Surely if renewables are as popular as Vox claims, people don’t have to be coerced – they will embrace clean energy of their own free will?
“You will take what we give you and like it.” The “renewable” energy mantra.
Obama did the same with health care. Normally, big government programs take a few decades to fail, but Obamacare failed in just a few years.
These “elites” that think they know better than the average American are the reason Trump won. And to think that Kasich, whom I once considered as a viable presidential candidate, thinks he’s an elite!
I’d never vote for him as president and I hope Ohioans never re-elects him.
“these goals that were established for renewables, both solar and wind, can be met.”
Never work in Ohio. Not enough Sun nor wind.
There are reasons that Kasich went down in flames in the primaries.
When Kasich was in the House, he was a budget hawk, and I had respect for him. I was happy when he became the Ohio Governor. But now I think he’s a suppurating pilonidal cyst! Sure hope he loses the next election!
Kasich is in his 2d therefore last term as gov. Voted for him 2x for gov and 1x for pres, but he has disappointed me once too often, hope someone can reach him on hi cost/hi maintenance/intermittent production renewables. Thinking back, one of the first signs of Kasich’s retreat from conservatism was 2010 or so when he would not let fracking for ng go fwd, while western PA had an energy boom. He’s now to the point where he’s against it if R’s are for it. A yr ago I would have been hoping he’d run for senate, now anybody but Kasich.
Re: Ohio & Michigan
AEE/Advanced Energy Economy
‘The Business Voice of Advanced Energy’
http://www.aee.net/members
http://www.aee.net/about/board-of-directors
Mouse-over photos for AEE Board members.
Active through their state AEE organizations in Ohio and Michigan.
Some of the AEE members also have Canadian operations.
Dr.Bogus,
Offshore Ohio Lake Erie has the wind resources and proposed up to ~ 1,000 turbines in Lake Erie.
And northwestern Ohio is said to have enough wind resources for wind turbine land installations.
One Ohio wind project:
WorkBoat, Oct.27, 2016
‘U.S. wind farm planned for Lake Erie’
https://www.workboat.com/news/offshore/us-wind-farm-planned-lake-erie
“Renewable energy is extremely popular with the American public, across partisan lines -“
Yeah right! Of course! Because the government AKA tax payers are paying for it.
How facile can this guy get?
Cheers Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com
rogerthesurf wrote –
“Renewable energy is extremely popular with the American public, across partisan lines -“
Yeah right! Of course! Because the government AKA tax payers are paying for it.
roger, I don’t understand your comment because “the government AKA tax payers” ARE the American public. The correct comment should have been , “Yeah right, that’s why it is always last on the list of things that need to be done in the polls.”
Tom O,
The point I was trying to make with the phrase was to point out that most normal people simply do not understand that governments money is actually their taxes.
Why else in western societies would people, especially those who are inclined left, lobby for government expenditure on their particular pet project?
I might add that their is nothing to stop them raising the money amongst the public, but of course it is easier to lobby those who are not spending their own money.
In my country for example, something like NZ$43 Million comes from the government (AKA the tax payer), for Team NZ America’s cup, who since this began have yet to win the America’s Cup whereas it was won twice on privately raised donations and sponsorship.
I m quite sure that if everyone in my country realised that their tax money was being poured into such a minority sport there would be an outcry, but almost every day one hears on the news, requests for government/taxpayers money for some project or other.
Cheers
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com
If they live in a bubble they can support any belief about people living outside it.
Ideas so wonderful that they have to be mandated.
energy so cheap it has to be subsidised or mandated.
If the people are truly desiring renewables and are ready to embrace the changes necessary, then government mandates and subsidies wouldn’t be necessary to entice them to submit
everyone wants clean energy so long as it doesn’t cost more than regular energy.
Energy so dense and reliable that it doesn’t have to cover 10 football fields to generate a few kilowatts.
or both.
If Renewable Energy is subsidised enough, it will soon be too cheap to meter.
Isn’t voluntary what we are supposed to do in America?
national anthem of the United States
what they asked for:
“the land of the free and the home of the brave.”
what they got”
“the land of the regulated and the home of the bureaucrat.”
The land of the foreclosed upon as well. A country can’t just keep printing money to keep up with a decreasing GNP.
Has anyone checked out this stupid site for millennials? Not one of the people, writing about things that they have no clue about, have been on this planet for more than 35 years. The guy running the site describes himself like this, Ezra Klein
Editor-in-Chief
Head vegetable chef.
Oh yeah, I’d take anything he say’s as reliable. Sarc! He’s a whopping 32 years old.
Maybe he means his head is a vegetable?
Bobby D
Are you ex Breakspear – about 1959 to 1965?
My era.
I hear what you say.
No catastrophe is inevitable, until the last worker to remember the last one like it retires.
Stock Market. Shipping. Fads in education. Doubtless myriad others.
Rather makes a case for keep a few of the – compos mentis – old on the payroll.
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From the referenced VOX article …
There’s a new poll of eight key swing states out, and it shows that — surprise! — voters in swing states love clean energy.
http://www.vox.com/2015/7/31/9080701/clean-energy-climate-connection
Didn’t we learn something about the validity of polls last month?
The left uses ClimateChangeCult™ “math” for their polling statistical gymnastics.
Voters do love clean energy. Do they love it enough to pay a significant premium for it? No.
If you poll people, they will tell you that hybrid and electric vehicles are wonderful. results What is the market share of such vehicles?
Nuff said.
There is no need to pay a premium for it. I picked up a used 2011 Nissan Leaf with 21k miles in like new condition for $9k. It costs me about $0.05/mile. My big 3/4 ton Suburban costs over $0.25/mile. The Leaf is great around town and I now use it for most errands. Even better, I can charge it for free at the dealer! The Suburban is great when I’m hauling Scouts to campouts or materials. With the low miles I put on it now it will last forever!
I get flyers weekly from the solar wholesalers advertising name brand panels for $0.40/watt and some modules as low as $0.29/watt! A 5Kw system will cover the average US house so that’s $2000 for the panels, add racking, inverters, and installation. If you switch to LED lighting and improve the efficiency of your appliances and computers and watch your usage, you only need a 3Kw or 4Kw system.
This stuff is going mainstream, and fast. Even better, prices are continuing to drop.
Greg – I currently have 5 inches of snow on my roof. Care to guess how much energy a 5Kw system would be producing for me right now if I had one?
Greg, I bet when your local tax assessor sees those panels, he’ll raise your home value and you’ll loose all your savings in higher property tax.
And the massive fines for not getting proper permits from HOA, don’t forget them.
Greg,
So, you have two vehicles to do the job of one? So how much is the extra insurance, maintenance and storage cost on the second vehicle? At least you were bright enough to buy it used since Leaf’s are famous for their rapid depreciation, imagine the cost per mile to the original owner.
Prices are dropping fast for used ones Greg, not for new ones.
Of course your tiny little leaf costs less per mile than does your Suburban. A small gas powered car would save you just as much money.
PS: Your biggest savings is on gas taxes. It won’t be long until governments shift over to miles driven rather than gallons used in order to pay for roads, then you will be paying what the rest of us pay, probably even more.
I have a Fiat 500 with manual transmission. I usually get between 45 and 50 mpg around town.
T’was in 1962 when my 1st car was given to me, ….. a pretty rough shape 1951 Henry J, …. 4-cylinders, … standard shift …… over-drive transmission ….. and it averaged 42 mpg.
Just what a poor college boy needed for driving to n’ from school. It was nice driving, plenty of room for 4 adults and trunk space for luggage, etc. and looked like the one in this picture, to wit:
http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/1951-Kaiser-Henry-J-Front.jpg
well we learnt that the polls are reliable but that people do not understand them. In general the
national polls all gave Clinton a lead of about 3 percent with an error of about 1 percent or so which
correct. The state polls were closer but there were less of them so the errors were larger. Which is why
Nate Silver for example gave Trump a 33% chance of winning. For which he was widely ridiculed since
people on the whole failed to realize that a Trump victory was within the margin of error of the polls.
That sounds a lot like some pollster cya, after the fact.
I would not bother being a pollster in any country without compulsory voting. No pollster can reliably determine who will actually turn out, so their numbers are all bunk.
Here is a link to an interesting NY times article about polling disasters:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/opinion/sunday/whats-the-matter-with-polling.html?_r=0
Especially in swing states.
Polls don’t mean anything. Perceived preferences really show what people believe.
Michigan where the governor an both the house and senate have Republican majorities.
Crain’s Detroit, Dec.16, 2016
‘Utilities: Energy policy rewrite brings certainty to planning for power plants’
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20161216/NEWS/161219862/utilities-energy-policy-rewrite-brings-certainty-to-planning-for-new
Gov. Snyder, R. is expected to sign this new legislation.
Much more on this topic online.
All kinds of laws and regulations can be written/passed but if businesses can’t survive under these imposed conditions they will have to either close or move.
roving says “Didn’t we learn something about the validity of polls last month?”. Yes, but that was last month. This is a new month.
Yes, we did learn something about polls last month. We learned they are untrustworthy because of oversampling of Democrats and other tricks political partisans play with them.
Bingo!
We’ve entered an age where intelligent folks let unknown callers leave a message and call them back if it’s legit. I had several calls from out-of-state callers every day during the week preceding the election and it suddenly stopped afterwards. The people who are not dupable don’t take unknown callers. They also think that how you vote is not a public question. That was part of the error in the poles- the segment that refuses to play the game as expected.
The lamest manifestation of this failure of the progressives to garner support is the blame of ‘insufficient control of the internet’ and a purported ‘Russian influence’ upon voters. Why would folks who are voting against the progressives and a global socialist takeover listen to the bloody communists?
TA,
There’s probably more to it than that. People can be influenced by the way a question is worded. Pollsters have long known that and can purposely bias a poll. Also, if a particular answer appears to be politically incorrect (the Media was telling everyone that Hillary was a shoe-in and Trump was a miscreant), people are reluctant to appear stupid. That’s a reason voting is done privately. I also have a suspicion that the pollsters were trying to influence the vote by taking advantage of a tendency for people to get on the Band Wagon and be with the winning team.
“The people who are not dupable don’t take unknown callers. They also think that how you vote is not a public question. That was part of the error in the poles- the segment that refuses to play the game as expected.”
I think you are on to something, Pop.
Caller ID rocks. No name I recognize? I don’t answer. That simple. Polling is easy to understand, you go to a “pollster”, tell them what you want, pay them, they give you what you paid for. That is why politicians are so befuddled about polls, they bought what they wanted to hear, not what people actually think.
I agree with you, Clyde. There’s how the poll questions are worded, and then there is how the answers are interpreted. Lot’s of leeway in there to shape the poll results.
Polls of likely voters are pretty much limited to those who have voted in the past.
There was every indication that Trump was bringing in lots of new voters.
Many of Trumps voters would have been excluded from traditional polls.
Eight states out of 50 ? We have a saying in Australia for this… unrepresentative swill.
Click through to the pdf describing the poll. The questions are very leading questions, phrased to get the result that they did. You could get the opposite result by using a different question set such as:
1. Do you like you home to be powered by intermittent unreliable forms of electricity such as wind and solar?
2. Do you like birds being fried by solar thermal power stations?
3. Would you like to pay 3 times the price of electricity, as a result of clean energy, over traditional forms of electricity?
4. Do you want manufacturing to leave your state, as a result of energy prices doubling or tripling as a result of ‘clean’ energy?
5. Are you concerned about the elderly suffering as a result of energy poverty as a result of high energy costs?
6. Do you worry about your children not being able to find jobs, as a result of high energy costs, causing business to shut down, and relocate?
7. Do you like endangered birds being killed by wind turbines?
8. Do you think that major corporations such as General Electric should be receiving large corporate subsidies, to produce generating machines, which kill birds, force up the cost of electricity, and are an eyesore?
9. Do you support the development of our Natural gas resources to provide in expensive reliable electricity?
10. Do you support hydro fracturing to provide reliable supplies of oil, to produce gasoline from, to run you car on, and in the process create many well paying jobs for Americans.
11. Do you support the use of clean coal technology (whatever that may be), to produce reliable inexpensive electricity?
Run this poll, and you will find 70 percent of the population supports coal, gas and hydro fracturing!
I like your poll questions, James!
Rovingbroker, well spotted. The ‘lies, damned lies and statistics’ idea is alive and kicking. The question is, who? It seems that anything claiming to have detected, with statistical significance, broad support for renewables is as suspect as a Mann-graph.
I expect that those few pollsters who correctly called the election will be using it to boast of their capabilities.
“I want three volunteers. You, You and You”
Company Sgt Major.
“Half of you come with me….”
It would be interesting to see how many people would select ‘clean energy’ if they were charged for it based wholesale price and only supplied energy when their particular selection was up and running.
Exactly. How much they love clean energy will be shown when none is available – do they shut off their appliances to wait til clean energy is available? It’s easy to tell a stranger on the phone, “Oh, me? Yeah, I LOVE clean energy.”
Love it, yes, but define “love”. As the old joke says, “I feel like a woman, but my wife won’t let me have one.” I feel like an electric car, but my wallet won’t let me buy one.
OT but worthy of posting…
Skowhegan-area propane dealer won’t deliver to Trump voters
A phone message at Turner LP Gas Service says they should find someone else to deliver their gas.
http://www.centralmaine.com/2016/12/16/skowhegan-area-propane-dealer-says-no-trump-voters/
On the coldest day of the season, a Skowhegan-area propane dealer has a pointed message for would-be customers.
“If you voted for Donald Trump for President, I will no longer be delivering your gas, please find someone else,” is the message left for customers that call Turner LP Gas Service, on Canaan Road in Skowhegan.
The message goes on to say that the cost of gas remains $110 a bottle, payment on delivery. A voicemail message left at Turner LP Gas Service was not returned.
Someone needs to remind the propane dealer what happened here:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/07/03/christian-bakers-fined-135000-for-refusing-to-make-wedding-cake-for-lesbians.html
What kind of moron cuts off his customers like that? I can’t wait to see who he blames for his loss of income.
Looks to me like he should loose 45.2% of his customers if everyone took him at his word.
More like 58%
http://stateandcapitol.bangordailynews.com/2016/12/16/maine-propane-deal…
Reached on Friday night, Turner said he recorded the message on Election Day. After media learned of it earlier that day, he said he had 50 voicemails. Most of them were from angry Trump supporters, but he said one of four were supportive.
He said Trump is “despicable” and said, “I think he’s the Antichrist,” though the Skowhegan native and veteran said his family likely all voted for the president-elect because of his stances on gun rights and abortion.
Turner could be turning away a lot of business, given that the Republican president-elect won Somerset County with 58 percent of votes.
Thanks for the additional explanation, john.
Leftwingers are SO emotional.
Thanks for the correction John. I was using state numbers. I missed that bit about Somerset County. Dad and my first job taught me never to mix work with politics. I wonder if he’s going to learn that one the hard way.
It will probably end up being even worse then 58%. Propane delivery is a predominately rural necessity. Here in Indiana all the Clinton supporters currently going through meltdown are townies. Most of the Rural folk voted for Trump.
Farmers are naturally conservatives.
howmwould he know who voted for whom?
+ 1
I guess he waited to see who squawked and cut them off. There is so much competition in Propane delivery that no one will suffer from his tantrum.
Yard signs?
I’m sure his competitor will pick up those customers happily!
Few companies can survive when they turn away half of their business.
He will likely be out of business within the year, as he should be.
It is not right to sell propane to lefties, think of the carbon pollution it entails. He should sell them bottled wind and sunshine.
You have to have little to no regard for the welfare and self-reliance dignity of the elderly and others living on fixed incomes to support higher electricity and fuel costs that come with mandating to utilities to use expensive renewables. The utilities (and their shareholders) don’t care, as they are not only encouraged but in fact told to assess the renewables taxes in addition to higher rates and fees on the monthly utility bills. Meanwhile the government gets a new tax collected by the utility companies.
It’s win-win-win for the green industry, the utility companies, and the government. The losers are the fixed income groups who look at the electric bills rising.
And then there’s the reality that wind and solar renewable energy sources don’t replace a single KW of generating source for the electrical grid operators. But that’s another story.
Because the way they sell it is by lying, twisting, and omission..
Of course it’s extremely popular….until people find out the truth
” electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket,”
Another way they sell it is through telemarketers making illegal calls to people on the FTC’s Do Not Call Registry. I suspect that our utilities are funding these pests through some of the extra charges on our bills.
The telemarketers appear to be focusing on senior citizen homeowners like myself. Every time one calls I ask for the state contractor’s license number. They always say that will be provided when they come to my house. I also suggest that we first meet in a Starbuck’s a mile from my house, but they never agree to that. They want to get into homes where they can use all their high pressure tactics on vulnerable people.
I’ve contacted the California State Contractor’s License Board, my state assemblyperson, and my representative in the US Congress about this. The first two sent letters saying they couldn’t do anything about it. I didn’t get any response from the representative.
David Roberts – hmm, no longer gristing for Grist, but same old sh**….
A small but important correction (suggestion): wherever “clean energy” is used, it should be in quotes. The types of energy production styled “clean” by the enviroprofiteers who promote them, are no more clean and often LESS so than conventional power generating industries — including coal.
(also “renewables,” for they are not actually “renewable” to any degree — conventional sources are often much more renewable, with modern forest management, for instance, wood is highly “renewable”).
The article, but not using the quotes, gives unwarranted credence to the false claim of “clean” and “renewable.”
“by not using quotes” (sigh)
Also, to clarify: “the article” I refer to above is Mr. Worrall’s. That is, he, a science realist, not using the quote marks, creates a false impression (the AGW cult member’s article quoted within his article does no harm to the truth, for it is red-clown-nose-obvious, non-scientific, propaganda).
Check your last election Janice. About 45% of voters and their candidate are red clown-nosed people.
John Harmsworth I don’t think so. Surely you aren’t lumping such a large proportion of voters into the monolithic lump of unthinking AGW useful fools that you belong to. On a list of concerns, a large majority placed GW at the bottom of the list. Most of your fellow Americans clearly have more sense. Also, including other candidates the right actually won a majority.
“A small but important correction (suggestion): wherever “clean energy” is used, it should be in quotes. The types of energy production styled “clean” by the enviroprofiteers who promote them, are no more clean and often LESS so than conventional power generating industries — including coal.”
Yeah, and how can you call it clean energy when you have dead animals laying all over the landscape, killed by the windmills and the solar thermal? They should be calling it “deadly energy”.
Personally, I call them “unreliables”. It describes them far more accurately.
Personally, I call them “unreliables”
That is a more succinct description when they are used to power the grid. On the consumer end of the grid they categorize as “supplementals”. They are only as renewable as the energy and resources needed to produce them.
They have a definite market niche and it needs to be established naturally.
It is fundamentally wrong in a capitalist society for the public money to be used to prop up or artificially stimulate any private enterpise.
Why does spellcheck wait to appear until you press “post”?
For so-called ‘renewables’, read ‘ruinables’.
I wonder who would opt for randomly intermittent power at 300% the price of a non-intermittent alternative?
Californians who voted for Hillary.
Californians have their heads so far up….that they live of the smell of their ‘trumps’…well so they should. All those ‘organic’ vegetables….
Leo, nearly a third of the votes cast in CA were for Trump.
So popular they have to be mandated. So economic they have to be subsidized. And so reliable that South Australia blacked out and UK likely will thanks to intermittency and absence of grid inertia.
Vox, like most other ‘new media’, are just propaganda machines largely devoid of fact and logic. No different than old media like NYT and WaPo.
Yes, that pesky blackout thing …
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/07/08/uk-relies-on-emergency-measures-to-avert-winter-blackouts/
Translation: “We want them to be ‘voluntary’ by making them ‘mandatory’.”
Communist countries are like that. The people rejoice when a new edict is issued. Mandatory of course ! The good governor wouldn’t want to offend the rulers of America, the environmental social paths who would like 95% of the world’s population to die. It’s for the good of the planet ! Yeah! .. that’s sarc by the way… extremely popular, so popular it has to be mandatory …
environmental social paths
Shirley shum mishtake?
Surely rishrac means “sociopaths”?
Maybe it’s short for social pathogenics.
If people want it people would freely choose it. Instead government has to use the armed force of law to compel people to “choose” it. Seems rather clear and easily understood, without armed force from government “green energy” is a failure. Period. Full stop.
I personally think voluntary is the way to go. People can pay 30% – 100% more if they want their electricity to be green. The power utility passes on the premiums to the green energy producers. Win – Win, right. There actually people and companies who choose the option where it is available.
But the risks then become much higher for the investors in green energy projects and they would rather just lobby the politicians to make the subsidies mandatory and thereby have a guaranteed profit margin. We need to lobby the politicians to only have voluntary programs.
Maybe it is time for someone in power to point out that the patient isn’t improving, isn’t likely to get better, and maybe it is time to pull the plug.
As long as they don’t have to pay for it. Free money is even more popular; why don’t they try that?
None of the rules put into effect by Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez have been repealed either, so this proves what exactly?
Stand-by.
Here comes Trump.
Why does “popular” green energy require rigid government enforcement? Why can’t people be free to make their own choices? Surely if renewables are as popular as Vox claims, people don’t have to be coerced – they will embrace clean energy of their own free will?
About these ads
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The simpler answer:
“Because it is a dud, and a very expensive one at that.”
cheers
What portion of jobs in the green energy industry would die if govt removed all subsidies , and enforcement’s to make us use them. ??
~100%….
Leo
There are jobs there, in renewables.
Someone has to grow, harvest, transport, process [and document] the wood pellets that give the UK such impressive ‘watermelon’ status.
Those are real jobs – even if they don’t ad one erg to the USA’s renewable use.
To our shame, they are paraded as being ‘Green UK plus One’ [or whatever the mundane brain-clogging slogan is . . . .].
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And tomorrow – I again resume battle with Southern Railways, described, with wild exaggeration, as a ‘SERVICE’. No Sarc; it’s true.
God* help hundreds of thousands of other poor sodding commuters, too.
* God or your pertinent deity or quasi-deity or responsible and certified substitute or quasi-substitute, or legally mandated and certified placebo.
For example: –
an inapposite belief in gilled gilded unicorns,
Microsoft handing out a million dollars for special emails [even if on Goobermail],
Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming, and
not walking under (properly secured) ladders.
It would help their cause if they replaced the meaningless “renewable” tag and substituted “low (or no) carbon,” since most of such energy comes from nuclear plants, not windmills. Considering the amount of untapped energy that can be recovered by gen 4 reactors, there is no meaningfull distinction between renewable (meaning “forever”) and nuclear power.
The gov could kind of have it both ways- eliminate all installation/running/maintainence subsidies for renewables, change the RPS law so that the power companies can only pay their current fossil fuel/nuclear/hydro rate for electricity generated from systems owned by customers, and go ahead and sign it. Virtuous green advocates would buy their own solar or whatever installations and use them, offsetting some or much of their own electricity usage. That would reduce power costs, eliminate all the rent-seeking lease/buy/sell programs that siphon off the benefits, and make everybody happy.
I agree with the proposal, but that isn’t how the constitution works. The Governor can either sign the act into law, or veto it. He can’t modify it.
I would love to see enforcement applied to those who flaunt their intention to use only renewable electricity, such as Google, and the Australian Capitol Territory. Other search engines and teams of useless bureaucrats are readily available.
I have long advocated for all citizens who strongly support “green/renewable” energy be compelled to use only that. No fossil fuels, no hydro-electric, no nuclear, no products derived from petro-chemicals. Courage of their convictions and all that. Of course they would have to be marked and tracked, a sliding scale of punishments for each time they are caught using anything other than solar or wind produced energy. Hmmm, maybe we could hire all those fired civil service drones from DoE,EPA,IRS,FDA,USDA,DeptInterior,BOIA,,,ya know, the useless eaters in government. Give them something useful to do, snitching on their fellow leftists. Yea, thats the ticket.