California Passes a New Climate Law to Regulate Cow Methane

Costs are rising for Californian Businesses

Costs are rising for Californian Businesses

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Governor Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown has just signed a law to require dairy farmers to reduce bovine methane emissions.

California targets dairy cows to combat global warming

GALT, Calif. – California is taking its fight against global warming to the farm.

The nation’s leading agricultural state is now targeting greenhouse gases produced by dairy cows and other livestock.

Despite strong opposition from farmers, Gov. Jerry Brown signed legislation in September that for the first time regulates heat-trapping gases from livestock operations and landfills.

Cattle and other farm animals are major sources of methane, a greenhouse gas many times more potent than carbon dioxide as a heat-trapping gas. Methane is released when they belch, pass gas and make manure.

“If we can reduce emissions of methane, we can really help to slow global warming,” said Ryan McCarthy, a science adviser for the California Air Resources Board, which is drawing up rules to implement the new law.

In the nation’s largest milk-producing state, the new law aims to reduce methane emissions from dairies and livestock operations to 40 percent below 2013 levels by 2030, McCarthy said. State officials are developing the regulations, which take effect in 2024.

“We expect that this package … and everything we’re doing on climate, does show an effective model forward for others,” McCarthy said.

Dairy farmers say the new regulations will drive up costs when they’re already struggling with five years of drought, low milk prices and rising labor costs. They’re also concerned about a newly signed law that will boost overtime pay for farmworkers.

“It just makes it more challenging. We’re continuing to lose dairies. Dairies are moving out of state to places where these costs don’t exist,” said Paul Sousa, director of environmental services for Western United Dairymen.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/29/california-targets-dairy-cows-to-combat-global-warming.html

The number of Californian people and businesses fleeing overregulation and high costs reached a record high last year. I doubt the new cow fart law will do anything to reassure people who haven’t yet joined the great Californian exodus.

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Wonderful…this is great. Just proves that parallel universes do really exist. The real one and Moonbeam’s make believe one.

Geoff

Missed something in the maths? Cows eat grass. Grass regrows sequestering CO2. Cows make fat. Sequestering more CO2. The more cows the less CO2.
I recall there were vast herds of bison roaming the US plains. They are gone, causing a methane deficit. Has Jerry considered all the environmental inputs vs time? What about all the bull that flows out of Sacramento? Surely this could end all life on Gaia?

mike

I’m sorry, but the real threat to the environment is posed by vegan flatulence. You only have to read the CDC’s latest report on the matter–“Our Leading Universities’ Faculty Lounges–The New Killing Jars?”, to learn that, on an annualized basis, your average Gaia-freak lefty-herbivore rips off more methane than that released by North America’s top ten feed-lots combined.
Of interest, the CDC very persuasively advocates for the so-called “blue-flamer” climate mitigation strategy–an approach that harnesses three robust, proven, low-cost technologies–mandatory-wear chastity-belts, monitored by the same off-the-shelf technology used in your basic, court-ordered ankle-bracelet, supporting an appropriately positioned, “wind”-powered, pilot-light attachment. Somehow, I’m thinkin’ someone’s gonna make a lot of green-washed bucks off of this deal.

rogerthesurf

Farting cows have nothing to do with greenhouse gases.
The California Government wants to get farmers off the land under the guise of “sustainability” and obeying UN Agenda 21.
I bet most the major cities and towns of California are members of at least one of the following: ICLEI, http://www.iclei.org/ Sustainable 100 resilient cities http://www.100resilientcities.org and Green Cities. http://www.greencitiescalifornia.org/
Here is what these people think about land and there is a lot more to it than this.
https://thedemiseofchristchurch.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/unitednations-conference-on-human-settlements_habitat1.pdf check page 8. The highlighting is mine.
Or how about the infiltration of education.
Check out this High School Exam Exemplar that has a lot of Agenda 21 in it. https://thedemiseofchristchurch.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/exemplar-3-2008-exam.pdf
Its funny how the Rockefeller name pops up so often when you go to these websites!
Cheers
Roger
https://thedemiseofchristchurch.com/2013/03/13/are-we-experiencing-a-communist-infiltration-sponsored-by-the-united-nations

4TimesAYear

What alarmists miss is that the real solution to desertification is large herds of grazing animals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI

Wrusssr

What . . . a . . . crock. Moonbeam is all in with the Bolshevikian global socialists. Those wonderful folk what brought upon us genetically modified (GMO) staples—corn, soy, rice, wheat—that sterilizes farmers’ mammalian livestock and puts farmers out of business even as the globalists simultaneously installed a doomsday organic seed vault north of Stavanger, Norway, in a granite mountain with a bomb proof steel door. One in the same as they who are seeding the stratosphere with nanoed aluminum, strontium, barium, and other crap, all the while saying they’re just ” . . . trying to save earth and humanity from global warming by shielding the planet from the sun.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/doomsday-seed-vault-in-the-arctic-2/23503
Pigs fly, too.
Earth hasn’t warmed a C in a couple of decades and virtually nothing last century in the bigger scheme of things. And animals don’t have a damn thing to do with it.
Humanity/plants/animals rely on CO2 for life. End of story. The strato-feeders/seeders are attempting to create faux global warming with manmade droughts, water, crop shortages so they can jack-up food prices; all the while hoping for secondary benefits of eliminating “useless eaters”, as Henry pointed out, who no longer can afford to buy food or have a place to grow it; this while simultaneously stirring up a little URI business for their BigMed brethren. Faux global warming. Faux Swine flu/Ebola/Zeka “pandemics de jour.” So-called domestic terrorist attacks”. All bankrolled by the same devil’s tribe.
Tell me this article is an early April fool’s joke? An extended typo?
Where this insanity originates:
https://www.grain.org/article/entries/5317-trade-deals-boosting-climate-change-the-food-factor
The authenticated methaners’ list (Source: Environmental Working Group “Meat Eaters Guide to Climate Change and Health”)
https://www.grain.org/media/BAhbBlsHOgZmSSInMjAxNS8xMC8yMC8wNl8xOF8yNl8zMTVfR3JhcGgxLnBuZwY6BkVU
And a reader’s solution (VooDude) to the methane problem
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Beam-me-up-Scottie

Ian W

rogerthesurf
November 30, 2016 at 12:06 am
Farting cows have nothing to do with greenhouse gases.
The California Government wants to get farmers off the land under the guise of “sustainability” and obeying UN Agenda 21.

This is the underlying reason arguing the science which is known to be wrong but spouted as the justification will not work. California is not alone in these efforts several federal agencies are also supporting Agenda 21 for example the EPA and its water and wetlands policies Agenda 21 Section 18. In UK the ‘Making Space for Water’ Strategy was used by DEFRA to justify the cessation of dredging drains on the Somerset Levels resulting in huge flooding of farmland. Search for ‘Making Space for Water’ and you will find it is based on Agenda 21 Section 18. The same is happening in Australia too.

Barbara

This is introducing regulations at the state/sub-national level and then using them as a platform to pressure other states into doing the same thing.

Although I’m not defending Brown. And I know global warming is BS. There were no cars back then.

Bryan A

It just makes it more challenging. We’re continuing to lose dairies. Dairies are moving out of state to places where these costs don’t exist,” said Paul Sousa, director of environmental services for Western United Dairymen

There are currently only 2 ways to reduce cattle flatulence, belching and manure production within the state.
1) Reduce the number of cattle per ranch
AND THEN
2) Drive a portion of the ranches with cattle out of state.
The cattle will still exist eating, belching, farting and crapping. Their total methane will still be produced but just outside of the state borders.
So ….. what stops their methane from entering the state anyway???
This will only succeed in reducing GHG emissions like Europe purchasing Coal sourced energy from China reduces CO2

Hugs

There are currently only 2 ways to reduce cattle flatulence, belching and manure production within the state.

There is only one good way to stop cow farts. Die Endlösung.
But in order to reduce CH4 emissions, one can do a lot by properly handling bovine dung.
For example, BS talk is a bad way of handling BS. You should collect the gases BS talk generates. Gore flying around talking BS causes emissions for sure.
What I suspect is the progressives are on their long journey to destroy everything related to meat and milk, so that they could shine in their internal warm glow and be as vegan-good-people as possible. They will succeed in making meat and milk a little bit more expensive in California. For climate this has the effect of a cow fart. Not even theoretically measurable.

G. Karst

I just spent all morning with green garbage bags collecting farts from my cows. I just need to know where to send the 200 bags of farts collected so far. No one seems to want them. Do they not understand the danger of cow farts? Surely the gov’t has a plan to dispose of these silent but deadly farts. Please help. GK

Doug Bunge

Technically it would increase emissions because now the dairy and beef will need to be brought into the state to market rather than locally grown and consumed.

Mat

Remember how they got there. By legalizing millions of illegals back in the 80’s. One of Ronnie’s bigger mistakes….

Horace Jason Oxboggle

And not a single illegal alien has arrived since?

Larry D

The deal we were sold was, the legalization was a one time deal, and then strict enforcement would shut the door on illegal immigration. Then they renegaded on enforcement, and are pushing for another amnesty. And they wonder why we won’t trust them.

ShrNfr

However, we are told none of them fart in the least.

Jon

Visions of hordes of herds of illegal cows stampeding through California farting frenetically come to mind

george e. smith

Moonbrown, has decreed a future California, that will be ….. 100.000 % … free clean green renewable energy, and moreover will also be …… 100.000 % …… ELECTRIC.
So it isn’t so shocking that cows will NOT be allowed to fart.
The above decree was announced by the California Secretary of State, at the very recent (October) Symposium on Solar Energy at the UC Davis Campus. I have it all on silicon film.
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george e. smith

and Moonbrown, is probably working on a California Constitution change, that will allow him to serve four more terms as governor of California.
He is already on his second illegal term as California’s Governor.
He was elected to his THIRD term as Governor, AFTER the State Constitution was amended to limit the governorship to two terms maximum, he had already served two full terms and then served as Mayor of Oakland, and then became California’s Attorney General, during which time he declared that his first two terms as governor didn’t actually occur at all, so he was good for two more.
There is probably a word in the English language that is a better fit here, than ‘ scumbag ‘ but I don’t remember what word that is.
G

craig

Roger, when you have Paul Ehrlich in the exam, that’s means the exam is not fit to wipe my backside with it.

Tom O

What do you mean “Moonbeam’s?” He only signed the law. It was passed by the loyal representatives of the fine state of California. Can’t blame the governor for signing the bill that any normal thinking group of politicians would never have passed in the first place. The whole state has turned into an alternative universe.

C J

This wonderful state of the abyss. I recently received a mailer from the NRDC or ‘National Resources Defense Council’. They state they are in a state of ‘Shock and Disappointment’ with the results of the election. Claiming they will research on the cause. My research tells me that the US populous is fed up with the Fed. The losing party is Mr Rainbows party. Wow, I have to admit I support a portion of their work, but I will not support cow fart control. Hey, lets give the cows “Beano” or “Dy-Gel”. Even better yet, lets put corks into Feinstein’s, Boxer’s and Pelosi’s mouths that should help the cattlemen out for a whi.l.e .

Steve Case

Cow flatulence and methane started out as a joke. And now it’s law. The world as run by liberals has been turned upside down. The mad hatter is running the show. What else can be said?

PiperPaul

“The unchallenged absurdity of today is tomorrow’s shouted-in-the-street slogan as windows are broken.”

Bryan A

Perhaps the California legislature should prove the concept by charging it’s members for their own methane production. .25 per belch, .50 per fart, and $1. per turn. Let’s see how much less methane they produce when forced by law

DonM

I think that only around 30% of people carry methane producing bacteria, so to be completely fair 2/3 of the population would need to get a flatulence deduction or credit at the end of the year.
Of course we would need to hire a few more IRS investigators to verify that you actually qualify for the deduction, and that you (genetically) environmentally correct.
And the obvious next step is to strenuously discourage, or even outlaw, two methane carriers from procreating (just think of the children … creating poor kids that are genetically predisposed to ruin the world … think of the guilt that they will(should?) feel).

Wrusssr

Not to worry. BigPharma is working on a flatulence vaccine.

Diana Scott

Oh, let’s give them legal pot?

SAMURAI

California doesn’t need The Wall, they need one giant padded room…
Too bad CH4 concentrations are stuck at 1.7ppm and are increasing 10 TIMES slower than original CAGW model projections…
I hope California makes good in their promise of secession… I’ll volunteer to help fill out the paperwork.

Hugs

1.8-1.9 ppm at Mauna Loa. I wouldn’t say ‘stuck and increasing’. And definitely worse than I thought.
http://www.climate4you.com/GreenhouseGasses.htm
http://www.climate4you.com/images/CH4%20MaunaLoaSince198305.gif

SAMURAI

Hugs-san:
This better shows the huge disparity between CAGW CH4 projections vs. reality:comment image
Any scientist that advocates CH4 as a consequential GHG should be fired.

AussieBear

Has it not been pointed out on numerous occasions on this website that the IR absorption spectrum of CH4 gets completely overlapped by significantly more abundant water vapor. No matter how many times more powerful it may appear to be then CO2 in a laboratory dry flask, at even > 2ppm it’s a non-issue.

Hugs

Has it not been pointed out on numerous occasions

So why did you say it again?
CH4 is a short-lived gas, so small emissions will be quickly gone and not an issue.

CARB–the California Air Resources Board, has long been beyond parody. They also wanted at one time afterburners on bakery ovens (all those VOCs from risen bread).

Eve

Except Jerry that there has not been any global warming except if you count the El Nino and the UHI in your cities. The El Nino is over and temperatures are dropping fast. So fast that Tokyo has snow accumulations on the ground for the first time since records were set in 1875. I am talking to people in California who are going to leave because it is so cold. Keep it up and your farmers will leave too.

Chris

Sure, Eve, that explains why California’s population grew by 5% between 2010 and 2015, one of the highest rates in the US.

DredNicolson

And approximately how many of those moving in were US citizens? Real ones, not pseudo-citizens from Old Mexico.

eyesonu

Que interesting array of cow fart capture apparatus and explosive cow farts. Should be lively thread.
Calling Josh. Time for some fun!!!

Catcracking

Won’t wearing the apparatus be cruelty to animals .
I suggest tat Moonbeam wear on on both orifices for a year to know how cruel he is to the cows.
Part of my “you go first” campaign to all those elites who impose restrictions on others (like Kerry, Obama, and all those movie stars that have huge carbon footprints with multiple homes and private jets).

PiperPaul

Moonbeam wear on on both orifices
Make it a feedback (feedbag?) system.

Gordon

Poor cows, they are going to have to make runs to the border when it is time to fart. The ones on the coast though are going to have to swim for it.

Pop Piasa

I just want to see a cartoon with a moonbeam soup nazzi from Seinfeld yelling, NO MEAT FOR YOU!

Wanna bet that a majority of these geniuses in California government have never touched a cow?

gnomish

they’ve sniffed a whole lot of dairy air, tho

Alan Robertson

You get a gold star next to your name.

Horace Jason Oxboggle

You misspelled “dairy air” (you know, where the methane comes from)!

F. Ross

…and they are very accomplished at producing BS.

Hugs

Wanna bet that a majority of these geniuses in California government have never touched a cow?

That goes without saying. But IMO the worst are the ones that have touched a cow, have been touched by a cow, and are, after that, the professionals.
People who have merely touched a cow usually have little idea on how hard work keeping cows is and don’t value it very high.

Hans

I would wager that if the California government were told there are 50,000 cattle guards in the state, they would say “That’s way too many, we’ll retrain them”

Mark L Gilbert

I think they would prefer “catch and release” training for the guards (hehe)

RayG

No, the SEIU (state employees’ union) would launch a campaign to unionize the cattle guards.

The reality is that if you raise costs for farmers it just forces them out of business, and gives the non-regulated over-farting cows from another state or another nation an advantage. You end up with no reduction in atmospheric methane and a bunch of out-of-work farmers as well as more expensive dairy products. Like every liberal plan it’s lose-lose-lose

MarkW

Not to mention all the extra CO2 that’s generated shipping out-of state milk and beef into the state.

Gamecock

Dang it! Now more Californians are going to move here.

Another Ian

Yes. But as they’re farmers it might be your gain

Gamecock

People who have lived under strong, autocratic central government tend to be against some range of actions the government took, but not against strong, autocratic central government.
They fight the wrong fight.

drednicolson

They always assume the theoretical benevolent dictator will direct said benevolence toward them.

n.n

It’s the twilight zone or in progressive parlance: penumbra.

John F. Hultquist

Why not put a big tax on milk, cheese, and other dairy products. Use the proceeds to educate the people about the evils of dairy — outlaw ice cream, sour cream, and cream in coffee. Evils of dairy… evils of dairy… evil.evil.evil……..

Don’t give them any ideas.

J B Williamson

But its great playing with the empties:-)

taz1999

Maybe you could arrange a return deposit for the empties…

Michael Cox

That’s what this is… A tax on poor kids that need milk.

gnomish

that would be extremely idiotic- so i’d be inclined to bet it happens.
because the huge dairy subsidies that bloats the dairy industry can’t be cut…lol

ltregulate

Help, I’m trapped inside the walls of this padded room called CA. Please, anyone. As of the election, we have to pay for a bag for our groceries too.

texasjimbrock

I bet that California Democrats fart more methane than all the cattle in the state. How will he deal with this?

Frederick Michael

Cows (all ruminants, really) burp methane constantly. It’s key to the whole 4-stomach digestion thing.
That said, the half-life of methane in the atmosphere is too short to allow a big accumulation anyway.

Flyoverbob

Except in Moonbeam’s fevered mind.

MarkW

If the world were to warm significantly, the half-life of methane would be reduced.

Jon

Good one jimb
I wonder what the farting discrepancy between Democrats and Republicans is … calls for a scientific study doesn’t it!

John Fleming

We will have to tax all them grass eating wild animals around the World as well. Skippy….. Better pay up you methane producer you….

Kevin

Why stop at cows, what about all domesticated animals in the state such as sheep, horses, mules, etc…?
This state gets crazier and crazier every day. I can’t wait till I retire and can move out of this nut house.

RayG

My family came to California from Europe in the 1890’s. I never thought that we looking toward retiring elsewhere but California is, effectively, a one party state that is well on the way to becoming Detroit but on a much larger scale. Veneration of Che Guevara, Fidel, Hugo Chavez and their economics is out of control. Secede from the U.S.? A group is fund raising for an initiative to do this with a target of the 2018 ballot. That would, in the end, benefit the other 49 states and yes, we know people who have taken their large net worth and moved to lower tax environments. Incline Village, Nevada, anyone?

drednicolson

I’d want it to happen just to watch the looks on their faces as they realize with horror that no longer a US state = no more Interstate Commerce Clause = US states selling them electricity no longer have to do it tariff-free.
And NorCal could then secede from SoCal and ask to be re-annexed into the US as its own state, something the largely conservative population in that region have wanted for a long time.

Leigh

I think we should cull the polar bears to.
Damn things are breeding like rabbits.

yam

Gordon Lightfoot – The Wreck of the Edmund Gerald.

I’m sure a cow produces more gas thana human, but there are a lot more humans in California than cows. Time for methane capture for humans can’t be far away. Now what exacty do they do with the captured methane? Burn it? If TV comedians don’t make a lot of jokes out of this, they should be banned.

CD in Wisconsin

Not just human methane emissions Arthur, but CO2 as well. Next in the pipeline will be a new CA state law requiring carbon capture and sequestration masks to be worn over the faces of the state’s residents. Can’t have all that CO2 coming out of their noses from respiration polluting the air and contributing to global warming.
Wisconsin was once the number one dairy producing state in the union until CA surpassed us some years back. If the keep this up out there, we hopefully will be again someday. Idiots.

pameladragon

I’ve seen those “happy” California cows, hock deep in mud and manure. I fervently hope that dairy farmers fleeing repressive regulations in CA will return to Wisconsin.
PMK

The 70’s gasoline crisis, lines at gas stations, 55mph speed limit, etc., spawned a catchy reactionary slogan; “Save gas, fart in a jar”. Little did we know how prescient that would be. When farting is regulated, breathing can’t be far behind…

So, if a person is lactose intolerant, would that person be culpable in the generation of methane?

Jon

No because they’d eat less dairy.
Since Asians tend to be lactose intolerant shouldn’t they receive tax breaks to move to CA? And Mexicans – well….all those beans you know…

Gerald Machnee

Have they tried to negotiate with the cows first?
Have they tried to capture the methane for fuel?

Felflames

Now that reminded me of this old video.

Jon

We don’t negotiate with flatulates!

It doesn’t matter what law they pass. You cannot stop cow methane by any mechanism other than to shoot cows. Their bluff to demand methane control will flop,or dairy farming will simply leave the state. They regularly try this. Last time it was a demand to have battery cars in your mix to sell in the state. That flopped, and was dropped. They demanded Glock add safety catches on their guns. Glock refused. CA said, okay, you will not sell here. Glock said so what, and by the way, we won’t sell parts in the state. Then law enforcement complained their most used gun by officers is the Glock. Oh oops. The law was withdrawn. The crap to tax Cal Edison went on for so long, they got fed up and sold all power production and just transmit power now. They got fed up and just closed San Anofre nuclear power. Hey, we don’t need electricity for 5 million homes, why we can cover the Mojave Desert in solar panels some said. And cover the Sierras in wind turbines. Well, that did not work out well either.

Johann Wundersamer

other than to shoot cows. Their bluff to demand methane control will flop,or dairy farming will simply leave the state.
solution 1) yep
solution 2) monopolize, oligarchy

AussieBear

Donald, I think you may be missing the point. Of course compliance is all but impossible. But, the fines and revenue that will result, that’s the end game.

The Original Mike M

Not to mention the land grab by the fat crats.

TA

“GALT, Calif. – California is taking its fight against global warming to the farm.”
No, California is taking its fight against global warming to the absurd.

Flyoverbob

It’s not nice to make fun of the retards, but Californians keep chasing parked cars.

Allan

So if a cow illegally farts, is it going to be arrested?

Paul

“So if a cow illegally farts, is it going to be arrested?”
Only if it’s in this country legally.

observa

Only if it’s 40% over the limit dummy. Do pay attention and there are Green police jobs to be had here.

Kevin Hearle

Go moonbeam!!!. The more you make your farmers uncompetetive that better we in NZ like it. Internal sabotage of industry is the watch word as Trump moves to make America Great again. Not really, only joking, as making American Great again makes us all richer and safer. Only in California could you elect such a Governor, Trump needs to take methane especialy the fart type off the EPA endangerment finding

Flyoverbob

Trump needs to take the EPA out of the government.

AndyG55

Dear Moonbat…
Australia would be grateful if you also taxed your wine industry out of existence.
We can produce enough to cover your lost of production.

noaaprogrammer

Just tell moonBeamer to add to California wine bottle labels the words:
“Known to cause cancer in the state of California.”

Odin2

Invest in corks!

I think Ontario has been Californicated – using kids to push their Global Warming agenda while pricing electricity out of the reach of rural folks:
https://www.ontario.ca/page/climate-change
Take your pick from the horror stories of what happens when you shut down coal and even replacement natural gas fired power plants in favour of wind and solar. You couldn’t even make this up:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Global+TV+Ontario+electricity+rural+customers+not+paying&t=ffab&ia=web
Welcome to the Cap and Trade program and Trudeau Juniors $50 per tonne carbon tax requirement and watch MORE businesses relocate. California is not unique. Seems the pedagogalogical lobotomies have worked their magic.

Barbara

CBC News, Nov.28, 2016
‘Hydro costs force Kingsville greenhouse to expand outside Ontario’
Electricity costs too high. Company now expanding operations in Ohio.
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/windsor/greenhouse-hydro-ontario-businesses-1.3870512
Result of increasing costs in the agricultural sector.

Frank K.

Wayne – you need to vote out the liberals. Nothing can be accomplished until you can convince your fellow citizens that life under the out-of-control left wingers is getting worse and that they need responsible, adult legislators to run their country. Of course, I would be willing to have sane Canadians come live here in the U.S.A. in return for the numerous alt-left Hollywood types who claim they want to move to Canada…

Chris

Haha, the liberals who are running one of the fastest growing economies in the US.

TA

In spite of the Liberals, not because of them. Everything Liberals do harms the U.S. economy.

SketpticGoneWild

This law is udderly preposterous!!

charles nelson

No way! That’s bullshit.

TDBraun

Does the law have any guidelines on how it is supposed to be complied with?

MarkW

Are you kidding. Details are up to the little people.

D. J. Hawkins

Worse, they are up to CARB.

I just thought of an idea! Beano for Bovines! Stop flatulence at the source! Maybe “green” diapers, that could be deposited in an on-site bio-digester. Or perhaps outlaw meat eating altogether… Greenies can live on lentils and bea…. never mind. Just lentils. Beans are way too gassy. Liberalism truly is a disease. I sure hope they soon find a cure!

CLIVE

Good one SketpticGoneWild. ☺ But it be-hoofs me to horn in on your humor. This is such a moo-t law but the cream of the greens will milk it for what it is worth. It churns the stomach.
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I am going to stew about this all night.

noaaprogrammer

Butter not!

John in Oz

The populace should refuse to sell or serve any meat to the Governor and any government department/employees then see how he likes living on vegetables and tofu. He will surely agree with this in order to reduce the demand for meat products and therefore lower methane production.

From the linked article …

But the biggest target is dairy manure, which accounts for about a quarter of the state’s methane emissions.
State regulators want more farmers to reduce emissions with methane digesters, which capture methane from manure in large storage tanks and convert the gas into electricity.
The state has set aside $50 million to help dairies set up digesters, but farmers say that’s not nearly enough to equip the state’s roughly 1,500 dairies.
New Hope Dairy, which has 1,500 cows in Sacramento County, installed a $4 million methane digester in 2013, thanks to state grants and a partnership with California Biogas LLC, which operates the system to generate renewable power for the Sacramento Municipal Utility District.
Co-owner Arlin Van Groningen, a third-generation farmer, says he couldn’t afford one if he had to buy and run it himself.

It’s not the cow, it’s the cow poop.

Horace Jason Oxboggle

The solution for Gov Moonbeam is to eat sh1t!

accordionsrule

So incinerating poop creates less greenhouse gas than mixing it into the soil as fertilizer?

Actually, it’s the methanogen bacteria, which likes cows and cow poop, but doesn’t require them. It has been around forever compared with cows or people.

Cut methane by 40%? California tries to legislate flatulence. A limerick.
On September 19, 2916 Governor Jerry Brown signed into law a bill (SB 1383) that requires the state to cut methane emissions from dairy cows and other animals by 40% by 2030. The bill is yet another massive blow to the agricultural industry in the state of California that has already suffered from the Governor’s passage of a $15 minimum wage and a recent bill that makes California literally the only state in the entire country to provide overtime pay to seasonal agricultural workers after working 40 hours per week or 8 hours per day (see “California Just Passed A $1.7 Billion Tax On The Whole Country That No One Noticed“).
According to a statement from Western United Dairymen CEO, Anja Raudabaugh, California’s Air Resources Board wants to regulate animal methane emissions even though it admits there is no known method for achieving the the type of reduction sought by SB 1383.
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both Kerry and Jerry are fools.
Do away with methane,
no more fart? That’s insane.
Enteric digestion still rules. https://lenbilen.com/2016/09/22/cut-methane-by-40-california-tries-to-legislate-flatulence-a-limerick/

RBom

Ah Mr. Jerry Brown, Governor Moonbeam, Emperor of California and All Other Domains of Earth.
Her is another Emperor, demanding of a Dairyman, in France, the “Gold” he seeks.

hunter

To all the dairy farmers in California tired of dealing with the lunatic climate obsessed twits who are running that formerly great state into the ground- please know y’all are more than welcome in Texas.

Chris

That former great state? California is booming. What on earth are you talking about? Texas, on the other hand, is growing at a much slower rate. Why move to a slow growing state?

drednicolson

It’s easy to make money change hands a lot and create an illusion of growth, something lefty-libs are very experienced at doing. Such Keynesian sleight of hand only works for so long, until the economic reality exposes and topples the house of cards, like the tide washing away a sand castle.
I’ll take slow real growth over fast fake growth.

Stu

I have family in California. It is on the ropes. Broke. Business is fleeing.

First of all carbon emissions from enteric fermentation is surface carbon and part of the surface-atmo system, not extraneous carbon previously sequestered for millions of years and now being injected into the atmos (callender, revelle, hansen 1981, ipcc). This extraneous carbon is supposed to be what’s scary because it is a perturbation that could destabilize the surface-atmos carbon cycle and the climate system. Enteric fermentation cannot do that. Also, in the presence of natural geological sources, there is no evidence that changes in atmos merhane are correlated with enteric fermentation emissions.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2674147

Also the uncertainty in emissions from wetlands is “unquantifiable”.

Wrusssr

Not to worry. BigPharma is working on a flatulence vaccine.

AndyG55

Where’s Mosh, Griff, Toneb etc to defend this idiocy
Come on guys, you continue to let your religion down. !!

Philip Schaeffer

Unlike you, they usually stick to talking about things they know something about. Every now and then they weigh in on something that can be reasonably understood to have a hole in it by basically anyone who possess basic reasoning skills, but for the most part they talk about stuff they have actually spent a lot of time trying to understand. You just talk… and sneer, and build straw men.. and so on.

catweazle666

“Unlike you, they usually stick to talking about things they know something about.”
They do?
You’re funny!

Actually, they spend their time replying to things they ~think~ they know a lot about.

drednicolson

Pot-meet-kettle projection at its finest.

MarkW

Think of the ice!!

Caligula Jones

Griff basically just pastes that .gif of arctic ice, and that would be a stretch even for them to put that here.

I really have a beef with this offal law.

Andrewpattullo

Methane rapture from forage! Another brain fart from the ecomaniacs. Next up, a program to train cows to chain smoke so that methanous erructations can be combusted at source into our beloved CO2 which will then be magicked away by the meditation of the windmills.

gnomish

dairy industry is as much a creature of government as the green gang is.
they are not private enterprise, they are subsidy farms.
for america to be great again, that has to stop.

“It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.” Thomas Sowell

Horace Jason Oxboggle

As usual, Thomas nails it!

Milk, Milk . . . “Let Them Eat Cake”.

noaaprogrammer

Josh, could you please draw us a genetically modified cow suitable for living in California?

Wherever you read the words “a heat-trapping gas”, you know the rest is just a load of bull.

willhaas

Actually the gas in the atmosphere that traps the most heat energy is N2 and nothing is being done to reduce N2 in our atmosphere.

Is Ryan McCarthy related to Gina McCarthy?

gnomish

anyone in the bay area will get this:
http://imgur.com/oL1VbKN

Seipherd

This is what happens when burrOcrats making the rules have rarely done anything of consequence outside of their city — in this case, that would be like never having milked (or touched) a cow…

From what I read they want the ranchers/dairies to build processing plants to capture the cow manure methane and store it. One rancher/dairy has at the cost of over $4 million dollars, subsidized by the tax payers. Where I’m at they take the manure from the feed lots and dairies to the fields, it is called fertilizer, good for the plants and soil.

Raw manure is not good for plants and soil, or drinking water, or air quality.

Brett Keane

@Retired Kit P
November 30, 2016 at 1:23 pm: It is okay, at recommended rates, and well-spread.

Wrusssr

Is that why nothing grew where the buffalo roamed?

Scarface

Any clue on the effect (if there is any) on global temperatures?

Bruce Cobb

None. But it’s the thought that counts.

Walt D.

… or the lack thereof.

Scott Rabone

Why do global warming alarmists worry about emissions from cows and sheep when pastoral farming adds no net carbon to the atmosphere and in fact is a carbon sink? Do they not understand the carbon cycle?
Grass grows and forms hydrocarbons (fibre sugars and cellulose) by photosynthesis i.e. absorbs CO2. Every molecule of carbon in the grass comes from CO2. Cows and sheep eat the grass and convert it to meat, bones, leather and milk so some of that carbon is locked up for good. The carbon in the methane (CH4) that they emit also came from the carbon in the grass. It is lighter than air so rises in the atmosphere and is oxidised back to CO2 and water. This cycle has been happening for eons and if there had been any effect on climate we would have seen evidence of it in the past.

Cletus Rothschild

Considering the the majority of these farms are more than likely large-scale factory farms, I’m inclined to think that the percentage of grass-fed cows is quite low compared to those cows that are fed with subsidized corn.

Joe

All true, in addition to the fact that methanogen bacteria were around before cows, are not strictly dependent on them, and will continue to do their thing with vegetable matter regardless. And of course, as you say, the methane is short-lived. The world can survive methanogen bacteria, as well as silly politicians.

Wrusssr

There you go again SR, using common sense. You’ve been warned about that.

Brad

Governor Brown needs a personal methane detector installed, with an accompanying thermostat-nuclear device. Too much methane….BOOM!😜

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia

I hope the 3 million + illegal voters in California who keep these politicians in power, enjoy paying more for meat and dairy products or enjoy not having a livestock and dairy industry.
And I thought the politicians in my poor country were bad!

willhaas

All Meat and dairy products should be banned in california. Long prison terms should be handed out for people convicted of possession of even tiny amounts of meat and or dairy pruducts including anythihg made from any part of an animal.

at least they should print shock pictures on diary packaging like starving polar bears etc….

The Original Mike M

“enjoy paying more for meat and dairy products” But most of them don’t pay for their food to begin with anyway. The government can just raise taxes to offset the higher food subsidy cost. But the CA rich, the primary source of CA revenue, are leaving CA taking their businesses with them – http://www.nationalreview.com/article/426974/why-businesses-leave-california-sarah-rumpf – so eventually the socialists will run out of other people’s money as just Margaret Thatcher always told us.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7

At which point California will need to be bailed out. So eventually California will export the cost of its lunatic policies to the taxpayers in the rest of the US.

Chris

California is doing well and running a surplus. What are you talking about? http://www.scpr.org/news/2016/11/17/66216/california-analyst-projects-2-8-billion-budget-sur/