Guest essay by Eric Worrall
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon has warned President-elect Trump that he will not have the power to derail climate programmes, even climate programmes in the USA.
France, U.N. tell Trump action on climate change unstoppable
France and the United Nations on Tuesday stepped up warnings to U.S. President-elect Donald Trump about the risks of quitting a 2015 global plan to combat climate change, saying a historic shift from fossil fuels is unstoppable.
French President Francois Hollande, addressing almost 200 nations meeting in Morocco on ways to slow global warming, said that inaction would be “disastrous for future generations and it would be dangerous for peace”.
Both he and U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon called on Trump, who has called man-made global warming a hoax, to drop a campaign pledge to cancel the global 2015 Paris Agreement that aims to shift from fossil fuels to cleaner energies.
“The United States, the largest economic power in the world, the second largest greenhouse gas emitter, must respect the commitments it has undertaken,” Hollande said to applause. The agreement was “irreversible”, he said.
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“What was once unthinkable has become unstoppable,” Ban said at a news conference of the landmark Paris deal, agreed by almost 200 governments last year after two decades of tortuous negotiations. The accord formally entered into force on Nov. 4 after a record swift ratification.
Ban said Trump, as a “very successful business person”, would understand that market forces were driving the world economy towards cleaner energies such as wind and solar power, which are becoming cheaper, away from fossil fuels.
“I am sure he (Trump) will make a fast and wise decision” on the Paris Agreement, Ban said, saying he had spoken to Trump by telephone after his victory and planned to meet him in person.
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Ban said that companies including General Mills and Kellogg, states such as California and cities such as Nashville and Las Vegas were working to cut their greenhouse gas emissions.
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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-climatechange-accord-idUSKBN13A12Z
I suspect Ban Ki-moon is overestimating American support for climate measures. Climate barely registers as an issue to the general public. Climate didn’t receive airtime in the Presidential debates. As a public priority climate action consistently comes dead last, even when the UN conducts the poll.
But wasteful climate spending is an expensive thorn in the side of an incoming US administration which has prioritised trying to contain spiralling debt, and freeing up cash for programmes people actually care about, such as fixing America’s dilapidated roads and bridges.
It is also worth remembering that under President Obama, some atrocious abuses of power occurred, such as the IRS deliberately targeting and harassing political groups opposed to Obama policies.
Video of President Obama admitting groups were targeted by the IRS for political reasons.
I’m not suggesting all US businesses which advocated climate action did so out of fear, quite obviously some companies are managed by people who are as nuts about climate change as the outgoing President. But in my opinion there is a real possibility that many US businesses went with the flow, because they were frightened of appearing to be on the wrong side of the climate issue, and of course because they wanted access to generous tax credits available for climate programmes.
It will be interesting to see whether this alleged commitment to climate action continues, under an administration which does not care whether you are a climate champion.
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I am sure Trump will take the threat/warning very seriously… Ban-Kimoon just went to prove that a spoiled beggar becomes a demanding beggar
Who is against climate change? It’s 70 degrees where I live, 8 degrees above historical normal, I like it. Everybody likes global warming I mean enjoys being able to go out in shorts rather than covering up. Even Mike Mann in an unguarded moment admits he likes warm more than cold.
I like warm and dread below temts
Normal or average?
Normal is a range of temperatures, not a single number.
Well Ban Ki Moon can go and pound sand as far as I am concerned, and Hollande too.
And just for the record, the USA is already way ahead of our past commitments to reduce our carbon footprint.
We should start billing Bannie boy for all of the excess carbon that the USA is already taking out of the atmosphere.
In fact we are the ONLY large land area Nation that is a net carbon sink, rather than a carbon source.
So there you go Mr. Moon; WE are NOT your problem.
Where do all these unelected twerps get off demanding that other people do stuff for them, and then pay them for us doing it for them.
G
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon is telling us that the UN is more powerful than the USA. That means we have to do anything the UN tells us – like agree to let insider billionaires run our planet. It is called “globalization”.
I had a lovely dream last night in which president Trump re-appointed John Bolton ambassador to the UN and sent him there to inform them that the United States was ending all funding of the UN and that the UN had ninety days in which to remove itself and all associated personnel from the country. Ahhhh…
Kruel — we did that once before (after WWI). It wasn’t really the panacea that you dreamed of. I am tired of being the UN whipping boy, though.
george e. smith writes, “In fact we are the ONLY large land area Nation that is a net carbon sink, rather than a carbon source.” — do you have a source for that piece of information?
Australia is a sink as well George.
He can break rock, would be my recommendation. I’d love Trump to launch investigations into how the UN spends all those $Billions the US gives to them–mostly without any oversight whatsoever.
I hear breaking rock while wearing a horizontal black & white-striped jump suit is very fashionable.
lorcanbonda November 15, 2016 at 3:02 pm
“george e. smith writes, “In fact we are the ONLY large land area Nation that is a net carbon sink, rather than a carbon source.” — do you have a source for that piece of information?”
No, he did not bother any of us can check on our own. Or do you not know how?
michael
lorcanbonda November 15, 2016 at 3:02 pm
“Kruel — we did that once before (after WWI). It wasn’t really the panacea that you dreamed of. I am tired of being the UN whipping boy, though.”
What are you babbling about, the League of Nations? Oh please explain I would love to hear it.
michael
To paraphrase Stalin, “How many divisions does Mr. Moon have?”
I’m sure that it isn’t the US CO2 levels that are bothering Mr. Moon so much as the loss of our green backs. France can do whatever it wants it doesn’t need us to give it permission.
Hollande is another lame duck president. Elections next year and even his own party is pleading with him not to stand. No one gives a hoot what he thinks or says any more.
well if they truly believe it is unstoppable, why are they expending so much energy in trying to exert an influence on what Trump thinks and does about the Paris ‘agreement’?
These repeated declarations that Trump “must” stick to the unconstitutional “agreement” that was engineered days before the election in a blatant attempt to circumvent the will of the people and to present the duly elected president with a fait acompli, simply demonstrate that they do not believe their own rhetoric.
If it is unstoppable, why should they be concerned that he may try to stop it ?!
Even a five year old can see through such obvious self-contradiction.
I’m sure that soon-to-be Pres. Trump is well aware that these unstoppably false proclamations are just another “hoax” by the non elected, unaccountable UN.
The agreement was “irreversible”, [ Gen sec. bing bang boom ] said.
Well that is a lie for a start since every country has an opt-out and the whole thing has no penalties for inaction or failure to comply, ie. it is irreversibly reversible.
They lie like a bunch of toddlers who have not yet worked out that if you are going to try to deceive, you must ensure that what you say is not transparently untrue, otherwise it will not work.
Plus if you want to be taken seriously, don’t stand next to a brightly coloured toy dicky-bird when when trying to put across supposedly serious policy.
Morlock — of course I can research things on the internet, but it would be easier if he just provided the source. If that is beyond you, then you don’t need to reply.
And, yes, for all the hate we have of the UN, our failure to participate in the League of Nations was not a positive development for us or the world. Most of us should be well aware of the history. An isolationist United States does not work.
lorcanbonda November 15, 2016 at 5:21 pm
“Morlock — of course I can research things on the internet, but it would be easier if he just provided the source. If that is beyond you, then you don’t need to reply.”
“but it would be easier ” So everyone is to make things “easier” for you.
“our failure to participate in the League of Nations was not a positive development for us or the world ”
Lets see the victorious allies rewrote all the world’s maps, tore Empires apart, leaving people who hated other religions, ethnic, and racial groups free to commit all types of imaginable horrors. These “victors” then grabbed up whole regions of the nations they dismantled, which they award to themselves as “mandates”. Then they embraced this wonderful new international order to legitimize their land grads and meddling.
Oh and they wanted the U.S. on board to help as an enforcer. W. Wilson was ignored ridiculed and mocked for his attempts to moderate the avarice of the victors.
Wilson was an idealist who thought the League could be a source of good. His conflicts with the Senate (republican) and his treatment of the senate leadership doomed the Treaty.
At the time the U.S. was not regarded as a super power, in fact it was looked upon as barely an equal by the other major powers.
Best we did not get ourselves linked to the league. But do note the classic excuse for the leagues failures are always layed at the door step of the U.S. for non-participation, rather then the poor decisions adopted by the league members.
michael
One could argue the U.S. became a Superpower precisely because they did not join the League of Nations.
US became a superpower because WWI enriched it while European nations had ruined themselves and embraced socialism or fascism, while in USA the social-fascist POTUS (FDR) had limited power to impose it.
So askith: lorcanbonda – November 15, 2016 at 3:02 pm
Lorcanbonda, the following graphic is a “proof-positive” source that confirms George E.’s comment, to wit:
http://www.timvandevall.com/wp-content/uploads/united-states-biome-map.jpg
If you need it explained to you, ……. just ask.
lorcan, can you provide proof for your belief that had the US participated in the League of Nations bad things such as WWII would not have happened?
The UN is a waste of time, nothing it does can’t be done via other mechanisms.
To confirm that the US is the ONLY large land area nation that is a net carbon source would either require knowledge of a synthesis source that rolls up the data, or a lot of searching from multiple sources to verify. Further, carbon source vs sink depends on many assumptions – like are harvested wood products considered emitted carbon or sequestered carbon – different carbon accounting systems apply different rules. Different web sources will provide different answers to this question. It is not unreasonable to ask for a source for this type of claim. The presented map is not just childish in form but in discourse as well. I trust there is a lot more history between the commenters than evident in this post that justifies such a glib exchange.
@ur momisugly iorcanbonda.
YES !
See @ur momisuglyPhil following you.
I forget how to spell Giggle, so look it up for yourself.
So why would YOU believe any source that ” I ” gave you iff’n you won’t even believe ME.
I have a source: YOU get your own.
G
Correction:
I have a PEER REVIEWED PUBLISHED SOURCE.
try carbon sink
g
Can’t wait WHEN Trump appoints Lord Monckton as one of our delagates to the next COP conference. He has JUST appointed a well known climate skeptic to head up the EAP. And Trump said he not going to give UN any money for global warming junk. They are in outright panic right now.
Agreed, I have some reservations about some of the stuff Monckton comes out with but I think he would be perfect for an official role as IPCC delegate.
He has made a noble effort to be a PITA for these bureaucrats since COP-out 21 in 2009. He merits having an offical place at the table that would force them to listen to him and prevent him from being thrown out of meetings.
albertkallal November 15, 2016 at 2:50 pm
Nope. Perhaps a shop Steward from one of the Coal Miners Unions. Or CEO. Hey EXXON’S CEO.
michael
@ur momisugly Greg – You are just trying to spoil his fun. He so much enjoys telling about his U.N. exploits including dropping in by parachute in one meeting. I really would like to see him get that appointment, tho.
The UN General Assembly has officially approved former Portuguese Prime Minister Antonio Guterres to take over from Ban Ki-moon as the next UN Secretary-General this coming January.
How bold these goofball unelected tax funded bureaucrats have gotten!
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2794991
Yes its is unstoppable. Solar panels everywhere. The only problem is the physics. If an area is covered with enough panels to make the equivalent electricity as a coal fired base load power station, more heat is fed back into the atmosphere per day than stored by CO2 from the power station. Eventually , if we follow the Gaian philosophy to its ultimate conclusion (solar panels everywhere) there would be enough heat stored via the panels to end all life on our planet.
@Geoff
Fried, by our own petard.
but that isn’t physics… solar panels do not warm the atmosphere like that
Much like other urban structures, Solar panels absorb heat during the day and reemit it at night as Longwave IR. Panels heat to over 130 deg f during the day then emit that heat to cool down at night
Utter uninformed tripe!
Exactly. The action may be “unstoppable”, but U.S. funding for it can be stopped quite easily.
Do you guys realize a foreign national is in this country right now…..having meetings in New York
….and the purpose of their meetings is conspiring to undermine our president..plotting against the president of the United States
George Soros
I honestly thought that was against the law…….
It is Lat. It is. Perhaps Pelosi , a participant, can help us understant it!
Perhaps he is just explaining the paid for protests again?
I’d love to a fly on the wall at that meeting ( that BTW NOBODY seems to talk about, other than sites like BB and a few others) I would love to know who is going to be “invisible” afterwards. Geez, you know maybe Soros? After all he has been the architect of all of this for a long time and maybe just maybe, after his failure he will be finally be held accountable by his “peers”? ( For me he deserves a Nuremberg type trial anyway, for war crimes against humanity). He just might be in the hot seat, a lot of people lost a lot of money/ power/ access and other “goodies” in the aftermath. It must run into the hundreds of billions of dollars. ( Be safe President elect Trump, please)
there is a petition going to get Soros for inciting violence/terrorism and many other things
like funding the present protests
the latest of his stunts
americas “purple revolution”
noting the cute purple outfits the fugly duo wore to admit defeat
that bummer n the C family cartel support by their silence and wont speak up to halt.
their silence tells the story clearly
There is a very interesting article on Quillette that discusses the problems with science in the Social Sciences and how the impact of their ideology ruins the science. Uri Harris has taken apart a ‘scientific’ paper and analysed it. I really enjoyed the read.
The comparisons are very close ie “The effects are the same as with the negatively charged moral language: introduction of vague, moral beliefs into the analysis are made to seem scientific.” and “Furthermore, it establishes through assumption that since the spread of a particular set of values is identical to progress, anyone opposing these values is backward by definition.”
http://quillette.com/2016/11/14/donald-trump-and-the-failure-of-mainstream-social-science-part-ii/
So the UN thinks it can boss the USA about. Really ?
Looking to lose a very large proportion of its budget, by the sound of it. !
Actually, as Eschenbach has pointed out, Trump is forced by Public law 101-246 (1990) and 103-236 (1994) to completely cease US funding of UNFCCC, which recognized Palestine as a member. Same issue as the UNESCO defunding. Obama simply ignored the law. UNFCCC also has a 1 year opt out exercizable immediately. Late January should be interesting.
Rud,
I always read your comments here and at Climate, Etc., because you know of what you speak.
I see that Stockholm has gotten enough snowfall to clog traffic badly, due to a political error in snow removal. In mid-November. Hope they can sort it out before winter really sets in,
Here in the central U.S., we are having lovely climate change, with daytime highs in the upper 60’s to low 70’s, basically 10-20 degrees above historical average. Shock: no one is complaining that it is too warm.
The homologated UNFCC/WMO “average global temperature” meme is idiotic. The climate that actually matters is that which each of us experiences in the location we have chosen to live. We humans adapt to it. If we find it unpleasant, we relocate. U.S. history shows that more people move to warmer climes than colder.
It would appear that Pres Hollande, and Premier Jinping also thinks that they have a say in decision making for the US.
And the USA has NOT made any commitment.
Only the backward troglodyte, Obalmy, signed a NON-binding agreement, without ratification by the US parliament.
It is nothing but toilet paper, to be FLUSHED as the incoming President desires.
AndyG55 — “Obalmy.” Never saw that one before. Like it. — Eugene WR Gallun
It is about a valuable as all his executive orders. I hope they have lots of pens ready for the 20th January. Many executive orders will be cancelled. Great legacy Obama! You will go down as a textbook example of an ineffective President. Apart from the debt, there was Obamacare that you managed to pass through congress.
There were a few discussions about the orders today on various news sites. There are a number (there were three mentioned) that can be done almost immediately
There are going to be some very wealthy lawyers in the aftermath and many orders are going to take months to be rescinded. All the levels of government ( from Federal, to State to municipal) involved are going to fight back and I can see a lot of delays and another stagnation in DC that could last for years. I believe Trump has to focus on his agenda to improve the economy first because I believe that will give the people the strength to fight the other crap. And as usual everybody also is already getting ready for the next mid term elections so Trump has to show early success in that regard to stymie opposition.
I read this morning about a Gingrich era law that makes it easy to rescind recently passed regulations.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/16/business/with-trumps-signature-obamas-rules-could-fall.html
To the UN Sec. Gen Ki-Moon, with all due respect… Fawk you and fawk the UN horse you rode in on.
To the President of France, you are a stupid, stupid man. Your country has bigger fish to fry.
And if Nicolas Sarkozy gets re-elected he will do what Trump is doing – now that really will tup the pussy in the EU hen house!!
No, the french Brexit / Trump result will be Pres. Marine Le Pen, not a recycled Sarko
Ooh wah….you said pussy
One thing to me is vital right now Brexit has to be pushed through before the political scene changes in Britain. There needs to be a strong push to complete “The Deal” during the holiday season. It worries me that there might be shift in the British Parliament to try and get a second vote, with only to their House voting to stop Brexit. The election in the USA is final and cannot be recalled but I fear for Brexit.
The U.S. president only answers to the American people. We have spoken and it’s time to take our country back from the corrupt One World Order progressives. . Final thought, “Screw the UN”
1950’s flashback.
The US out of the UN, the UN out of the US.
Exactly.
And NO, mr half-Moon..
“market forces ARE NOT driving the world economy towards cleaner energies such as wind and solar power”…. mandated ANTI-COMPETETIVE subsidies and legislation is driving this idiocy.
If they were, why are they having all these conferences? Couldn’t they just sit back and let the ‘market forces’ do their job?
You’ll have to forgive Mr. Moon, he meant market forces after being distorted by subsidies and regulations, of course.
+10
That statement rankled me as well. It is not market forces, but POLITICAL forces that are driving the crazy train.
Ban Ki Moon heard someone talking about the super moon — he thought it was about him.
+1
At least + 10
Wait until the market forces really start when all the blocks put on drilling and mining are removed. The cost of energy in the US will rapidly drop and that will mean products are cheaper to produce. That will concern Mexico, China and India and of course OPEC. In fact under President Trump the “price of energy will necessarily plummet”. Remove the subsidy farmers’ subsidies – and the solar panels and windmills will be abandoned. Electric cars at full cost will be as profitable as DeLoreans. The impact on the entire world economy will be immense.
The resulting economic powerhouse will drive other nations to compete – economic necessity will have most nations repudiating this by the end of his first term so they can compete with US energy costs. Expect the Chinese to pull out of it within a year of Trump pulling out – no fools the Chinese! Meanwhile maybe Trump can cement relations with China by helping to deal with their real industrialisation and pollution problems, SOX, NOX and particulates.
“…Expect the Chinese to pull out of it within a year of Trump pulling out …”
The Chinese are not “in it” besides anything but a signature. They’ll just go silent.
If oil prices drop much further, it isn’t economic to produce shale oil
Economical. Get the words correct.
And if the price of oil fell to $5/barrel, billions of barrels of reserves would disappear as well. It is called ECONOMICS. Specifically the Law of Supply and Demand. Which means when the supply of $5/barrel oil gets used up, the price goes up, so that the $10/barrell oil is ECONOMICAL. And then the $20, $30, $40, etc.
That’s how it works.
Then they will wait until oil prices rise again. Shale oil isn’t going away.
The main benefit of solar and wind is that we won’t run out of fossil fuels as soon.
1) We gave hundreds of years worth of fossil fuels left, with more being found all the time.
2) Since wind and solar actually increase the amount of fossil fuels being burnt, how exactly do they save fossil fuels?
Might not be a good ides to push Trump too hard.
Trump said he would campaign for the Republican Presidental nomination on his own nickel. He did. He said he would win the election and nobody believed him. He did. He said he would tearnup Paris and not further hobble American industry and jobs. He will. And nobody can stop him because Paris is a mere non-binding executive agreement with a built in opt-out. Especially not an outgoiing UN Secretary General.
You may be right on all counts. However, Trump will find himself battling hordes of believers all over the world and inside the USA. States and cities have regulations in place to fight climate change. Corporations will want to continue to earn points with the greens.
A sustained government action aimed a debunking man-made climate change and countering the green propaganda will be needed.
And he will have a whole lot of us marching shoulder to shoulder with him when he does that.
I think a good place to put the money we save by opting out of funding the UN den of rascals, is back into rebuilding the US Defense system, that Obama has tried to starve to death.
No I didn’t say we should get obstreperous; just better defensively.
G
Hordes? Which hordes would those be? Even a billionaire like Soros can’t afford to hire enough thugs to force public opinion to support strangling America’s economy. On the other hand, much of the public has bought into the idea that someone else’s tap water is worth way, way more than their own so I guess anything is possible.
States and cities have regulations in place to fight climate change==BernardP @ur momisugly 2.03pm
actually the states and cities are welcome to do anything their Tax payers want them to do–let’s just see how willing to pay the full load when Federal government money stops.
If Trump can manage to shut down money laundering of tax payers money through the EPA to environmental groups the “battling hordes of believers” won’t have as much to spend on ammunition.
BernardP,
I agree in general with your comment but, with respect, I don’t think we need a sustained government action aimed a debunking man-made climate change and countering the green propaganda. It is fundamentally not, and never has been, about the science. The hordes of believers all over the world and inside the USA are motivated by taxpayer dosh as much as anything else. When the money spigot is turned off, when the trough runs dry, when they have to turn somewhere else to start scrambling for a living, the greens will whither and die like a vine that has had its stem severed from its roots.
Actually Trump raised a lot of money from many small donors in the general election, myself included. The GOP will benefit from the list he compiled of millions of people willing to give to the right candidate up to the personal limit.
Triue for the general. Not for the primary.
Colour me optimistic but wouldn’t officially removing pollutant status from CO2 counter a lot of the potential lawsuits from the greenies and push back from corporations?
Worldwide, liberal socialists are becoming seriously unhinged from reality since Trump won the U.S. presidency…Unfortunately for them, every Executive Order that Obama signed, without the consent or even advice from congress, is no longer worth the paper it is written on…”Elections have consequences”, said a very foolish “community organizer”..How right he is ! God Bless America and it’s freedoms, the Liberal Socialist Catastrophic Dream World event has been prevented from destroying her….IMHO…
The democrats with Obama leading them…empowered all these little uppity twats…they they believed it
The socialists are already starting to make plans. They will be as disruptive as they can possibly be. It’ll be a mess if the more violent elements get involved.
Violent elements are already involved, but this is only in the larger cities controlled by Democrats, anyway. These people should be very careful if they come to Phoenix. Trying to drag somebody out of a car here might get you legally shot.
Everyone I know on the right is laughing at the Democrats smashing up their own cities in ‘protest’. It means more votes for Trump in 2020.
Besides, Soros will soon have to stop paying them and start concentrating on Europe instead. He’s got multiple nationalist leaders on the verge of winning there, and the EU could collapse at any moment if they win.
MarkG, perhaps super majorities in both houses in 2018.
What the left doesn’t understand is that while they protest and call everybody that voted for Trump “racist” sexist, xenophobic, homophobes the right is quietly stocking up on ammo. Poor little snowflakes don’t have a clue what awaits them if this turns violent.
Yea, they are going to find out what real pain is if they keep it up.
““I am sure he (Trump) will make a fast and wise decision” on the Paris Agreement”
Yes , I’m sure he will too, you diminutive little twerp 😉
I will post this rhyme for the last time, I hope.
Science, Politics and Fear
The President I voted for just called me a denier,
He tells his followers to put my “feet to the fire”!
Engaging in ridicule, spin and vicious mirth,
Proposing that “doubters” live on a flat earth.
Claiming that “To wind and solar power we must turn”-
Preaching that we’re doomed by all the fossil fuel we burn.
Science, politics and fear…
They tell us “hell on earth” will soon be here
So get out your ‘Humboldt County grown’ and I’ll go get some beer;
Here comes science, politics and fear.
While telling this, I wonder just how long it might be,
Before those “men in black” come sneaking ‘round to visit me.
While I understand the theory of that “greenhouse effect”,
The common sense my daddy taught me’s making me suspect…
There’s much more to climate change than carbon trapping infrared
And the people have, by “governmental science” been misled
Science, politics and fear…
The end of all free nations could be near.
So, let’s protect the liberties we all hold dear
From science, politics and fear.
The panicked fight on climate is a challenge to surmise,
After decades now with such a tiny temperature rise.
Those models, they get further from reality each year
Yet, consensus of opinion of the future mongers fear!
But, I fear global governmental centralization:
UN bureaucrat controllers of a world enslaving nation.
Science, politics and fear…
Hey, ‘1984’ is almost here!
This unholy trinity’s replaced the Holy one, its clear-
Science, politics and fear!
It seems like whenever someone says something like “unstoppable” or “can’t be done” to Trump, he does exactly what they said he can’t do.
Yes, that does seem to be his track record as a business man.
If you think about it history shows that it is often the case that those who claimed “unstoppable” or “can’t be done” were typically proven to be wrong.
If the naysayers keep it up, Trump will run the best Administration we’ve ever had, if only out of spite.
Heh, like it. My son asked me how if I thought Tump might be a good president and I responded, if they give him a chance to govern, he just might surprise everybody.
See that red bird, next to you Banker-Moon..
its bird-brain is several time larger than yours !!
I really hope that Trump actually asks the UN to MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY..
Let some other county carry the useless burden for a while.
Looks like France could offer.. !
I’m sure New Yorkers could find a better use for the property the U.N. squats on.
“What was once unthinkable has become unstoppable“.
Let’s not jump to conclusions here, but if we’re all lucky, yes…
Of course, if you say so, Comrade Secretary General.
Sure, just like the Titanic was unsinkable.
Guys I get the drift that Leo is talking about bucking the alarmist movement. Is that correct, Leo N.?
You’re right, Pop. That and the overall political turnround that is causing so much panic …
So if “climate action” is unstoppable, there is no need for government, US or UN, to keep pushing regulation. In fact, if it is so unstoppable, subsidies are no longer necessary.
This is the same French President with a 90% disapproval rating? What ego to pontificate to anyone!
5% popularity. The lowest presidential rating since the revolution. He is facing 2 elections in the next year. One very soon for the primaries which some say he could win and then the first round presidential in which he and his socialist friends will come last. Most are predicting a Le Pen victory in the first round but no-one is predicting against whom she will run in the second and final round. Juppé (ex-con) Macron look good.
It is going to be an interesting year but don’t bet on a Le Pen president. France is like no other country. If Le Pen is indeed in the second round all other parties will order their members to vote for the other candidate.
No, there are other European countries with similar set-ups – Austria for example, which is voting next month.
These run-off type elections are causing massive discontent, as they allow two parties to dominate for ever.
He’s French.What more needs to be said.
I doubt whether President-Elect Trump cares very much about what the rest of the world does on this issue. He just wants to extricate the USA from the wasteful pointless boondoggle so he can spend the saved money on other things. If other countries back out due to Trump, so much the better. Perhaps from the savings he could announce something really useful, like a coal-fired power station somewhere in power-less Africa.
The competitive edge it will give the US is scary. Many countries will try to frighten Trump into caving in because they cannot compete when Obama has America down. When Trump takes off the shackles the US will rise again at 4% to 5% growth. It why China are scared.
Mods…? May I post my comment now?
Perhaps we can reach a compromise. Proponents of the global warming disaster fear are worried about the US not living up to promises made by a lame duck president, but they seem full of glee at China’s commitment. Why don’t the US and Canada agree to follow China’s path and do….. exactly whatever we think is best for our economies. Emissions rise till 2030 according to our own economic growth plan, while emission growth intensity as a function of GDP diminishes.
Better yet, and more importantly, let’s come to a complete acceptance of the fact that Canada, the U.S., Britain, Australia and other nations are democracies. The people of these nations reserve 100%, the right to decide what is in their best interest AT ALL TIMES. A central feature of these democracies is, in fact, the right to change our minds and choose a new destiny. When (if) we decide to outsource that decision to Mr. Moon and the U.N., we’ll let him know. If we feel like it!
What? Market forces are NOT and never were driving the world economy towards “cleaner” energies. It’s stupid green “solutions” and a political push for one world agenda. Then there’s punishment in terms of taxes and slandering, a corruption of science and the heavy weight of government subsidies.
I do love that President-elect Trump has all the world’s leaders (it seems) running around panicking. Somehow, though, I get the impression that NO ONE will tell President Trump what to do or how to look after the American people.
“When you’re President, no one can tell you when to sit down.”
I think Eisenhower said that or something like it.
I thought that the advantage to being president was that nobody could force you to eat broccoli?
Money, under Trump is limited. Therefore the UN will be starved of cash. We shall see if it is unstoppable. he he heh
TRUMP on climate change.
That’s a gold record on the wall from my perspective, paul.
Ooh, that was good to watch. 🙂 Thank you.
Love that clip! Go Trump! Let’s hope he maintains this position.
The words red rag and bull come to mind….yes the capitalist system will resolve this….going back to fossil fuels. They live in fantasyland.
…follow the money
“The Constitution’s first three words—We the People—affirm that the government of the United States exists to serve its citizens.”
Nothing in there about appeasing UN bureaucrats. Go pound sand.
Actually the first three words are: ” Article I Section … ”
What you cited are the first three words of the Preamble to the Constitution, and that ‘s why they call it the preamble, because it is a pre-amble.
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george e. smith November 15, 2016 at 2:37 pm
Actually the first three words are: ” Article I Section … ”
george
“Russell R. November 15, 2016 at 2:05 pm” is correct the Preamble is physically part of the Constitution, it is it’s rational for all the following Articles and amendments, they are inseparable.
michael
george e. smith
Your thinking is flawed. What you call the pre-amble is a part of the document therefore part of the constitution. (Do you contend that a pre-amble to a novel is not a part of the novel that the author has written?)
The opening words of the constitution and the governmental formulations that follow are a whole. The opening words to The Constitution are “We the People”.
Eugene WR Gallun
When in doubt, go to the source – http://usconstitution.net/const.html
The Preamble is indeed part of the Constitution.
A lot of thought went into those three words.
Much more so, than the endless prattle that emanates from the UN. They think they can overcome thoughtfulness with “impact words” and slogans. They are a thesaurus of what we can’t do: irreversible, unstoppable, and unthinkable.
I say the founders knew we would be assaulted with international con men, trying to hijack the federal government, into actions that did not serve the citizens of the United States.
The pre-amble specifies the purpose and principals in the formation of the Federal Government. We are all Americans first, and gender, ethnicity, native language, political affiliation, and whatever else divides us, second. The government of the United States “exists to serve us”. We are not its servants. And it is not subservient to the UN, or any other international organization.
We will fight for and die for, this concept: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
The UN or anyone else, is never going to rule this land, as long as we remember who we are.
Just to lighten the discussion a bit, does this mean that the rest of the constitution is the amble?
Looks like “We The People” to me as well
Russell R. —
You are absolutely correct. The first three words of The Constitution are “We the People”. george e. smith is blowing smoke.
Eugene WR Gallun
And, ‘We the People’ are the Sovereign.
‘UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon has warned President-elect Trump’
Prof Dent: I came to warn you.
Dr. No: Warn me?
Ban Ki-Moon would do well to remember that the USA provides a major part of the funding of the UN. Don’t tell the man with the purse-strings what he can’t do.