Old Tactics Revived as Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) Deception Fails. An Open Letter to an Open Letter

Guest Opinion: Dr. Tim Ball

Recently an Open Letter was circulated and ostensibly signed by 375 members of the US National Academy of Sciences (NAS). It is reported on the web page is arrogantly called “ResponsibleScientists.org. Use of the term in this context implies that those who do not belong are irresponsible scientists. Responsibility should go without saying.

I use the word “ostensibly” to describe the representation of the Open Letter. The initial impression is that it is a letter from the NAS. It is not! A separate sentence at the bottom of the letter explains.

The following signers of this letter do so as individual NAS members and not on behalf of the NAS itself or their Institutions.

Do we assume they obtained permission from all the members of the NAS? Were the contents approved by all members? Is this the behavior of “responsible” scientists?

The tactic of using a group is similar to the previous misuse of Academies of Science to promote the false narrative about global warming. Then it was orchestrated by Lord May (Brian May) when President of the Royal Society. At his instigation, all science societies were encouraged to take positions on behalf of their members. This missionary type of promotion and fervor is reflected in Lord May’s views on climate change identified in a 2009, pre-COP 15 (Copenhagen), and pre-Climategate revelations, article as follows,

“…religion may have helped protect human society from itself in the past and it may be needed again.

 

…the committed atheist (May) said he was worried the world was on a “calamitous trajectory” brought on by its failure to co-ordinate measures against global warming.

 

He said that no country was prepared to take the lead and a “punisher” was needed to make sure the rules of co-operation were not broken.

 

…in the past that was God and it might be time again for religion to fill the gap.

 

“Maybe religion is needed,” “A supernatural punisher maybe part of the solution.”

 

He (May) said in the past a belief in a god, or gods, that punish the unrighteous may have been part of the mechanism of evolution that maintains co-operation in a dog-eat-dog world.

 

Having a god as the ultimate punisher was possibly a logical step for a society to take, he added.

One of the few science societies to resist the idea was the Russian Academy of Science (RAS). The opposition was promoted by former (up to 2008) IPCC vice-chairman Yuri Israel, and Kirill Kondratieff, President of the RAS.

In all cases, the society members were not consulted on and the action taken by a few. Some individual members protested, like Emeritus Professor of Physics Harold Lewis, who resigned from the American Physical Society in October 2010. His letter said in part

“the global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it, that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried APS before it like a rogue wave. It is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist.”

 

Despite the heroic action by Professor Lewis, the media picked up and pushed the collective action. As a result of May’s influence and the dictatorial actions of Society leaders the issue became a central ‘consensus’ argument against skeptics and later deniers. It was a dogmatic, almost religious argument, completely contrary to the basic requirements of science. Lord May the atheist, became Lord May the proselytizer for the new religion.

Compare Professor Lewis’s comment against the first paragraph of the Open Letter.

Human-caused climate change is not a belief, a hoax, or a conspiracy. It is a physical reality. Fossil fuels powered the Industrial Revolution. But the burning of oil, coal, and gas also caused most of the historical increase in atmospheric levels of heat-trapping greenhouse gases. This increase in greenhouse gases is changing Earth’s climate.

It is only a physical reality in the computers and Summary for Policymakers (SPM) Reports of the IPCC.

Four people, Benjamin Santer, Kerry Emmanuel, George Field, and Ray Weymann, are identified as “letter organizers.” Presumably, the word “organizer” means one of them wrote the letter and the other three peer-reviewed before circulation for general signature. 375 signatures appeals to the consensus argument that is a favorite of AGW promoters but wrong because science is not about consensus. As Albert Einstein said,

No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong.

 

The Letter also uses Argumentum Ad Verecundiam, an appeal to authority, by citing 30 Nobel Laureates. It is likely that most of them, and likely many of the 375, never read the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Report (IPCC). If they did and knew anything about climate science they would discover what German physicist and meteorologist Klaus-Eckart Puls found.

“Ten years ago I simply parroted what the IPCC told us. One day I started checking the facts and data – first I started with a sense of doubt but then I became outraged when I discovered that much of what the IPCC and the media were telling us was sheer nonsense and was not even supported by any scientific facts and measurements. To this day I still feel shame that as a scientist I made presentations of their science without first checking it.”

If they checked further, they would discover that every climate forecast made by the IPCC since 1990 has been wrong.

The creation of a misleading list to represent a society, or different forms of argument to support the unsupportable is not surprising. Two of the Letter organizers, Santer, and Emmanuel have been involved with the IPCC for a very long time. Santer was a graduate of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) in its glory days before Climategate and the leaked emails. It is also likely that a high percentage of those signing are recipients of the “corrupting dollar” Professor Lewis identifies.

The lead name and likely the key organizer is Benjamin Santer. He is familiar with creating self-praising titles as part of the group at CRU. Under the direction of Gavin Schmidt they set up a web site titled Realclimate, presumably as opposed to what they determined was Unrealclimate. Santer was also familiar with controversy early in his career at the IPCC in what became known as the “Chapter 8” fiasco. It was also early in his career because he, like Michael Man, were appointed to senior IPCC positions shortly after graduation.

As lead author of Chapter 8 of the 1995 IPCC Report, he took wording agreed to by fellow chapter authors and modified it considerably. For example, the group wrote,

1. “None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed [climate] changes to the specific cause of increases in greenhouse gases.”

2. “While some of the pattern-base discussed here have claimed detection of a significant climate change, no study to date has positively attributed all or part of climate change observed to man-made causes.”

Under Santer it became

1. “There is evidence of an emerging pattern of climate response to forcing by greenhouse gases and sulfate aerosols … from the geographical, seasonal and vertical patterns of temperature change … These results point toward a human influence on global climate.”

2. “The body of statistical evidence in Chapter 8, when examined in the context of our physical understanding of the climate system, now points to a discernible human influence on the global climate.”

As anticipated the media picked up on the phrase “discernible human influence on the global climate.” It became the focal point like the hockey stick did after the 2001 Report release. Avery and Singer noted in 2006 that,

“Santer single-handedly reversed the ‘climate science’ of the whole IPCC report and with it the global warming political process!

John Daly discussed the evidence for Santer’ discernible influence claim including the work of Michaels and Knappenberger.

There is no discernible human influence even today except in the deliberately limited, predetermined output, of the failed IPCC computer models. It is simple. If your predictions are wrong, your science is wrong. If you claim a consensus, it means the issue is purely political, like the words and actions used in the creation of this Open Letter.

I will not enlist the support of other scientists in a letter countering the Open Letter because that would be another consensus. Rather, I prefer people check the facts for themselves. I urge those people who signed as members of the NAS and who have not read the IPCC Reports to do like Klaus-Eckart Puls. For those members of the NAS who did not see or approve the letter, I urge action within the Society. It is not just climate science credibility in jeopardy, but science in general. The threat increases as the real climate picture are prepared by responsible scientists and the corruption exposed.

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Graham
September 24, 2016 5:51 pm

“…as AGW deception fails”? If only. Not while lunatics are put in charge of that asylum. Take the Australian Academy of Science, for example. It has just appointed a new CEO whose only ckaim to infamy is her rabid leftwing totalitarian attitude to pesky AGW sceptics. Look forward to more loony humbug from the AAS.
http://epublications.marquette.edu/dissertations/AAI9517932/

RBom
September 24, 2016 5:59 pm

I suspect “Lord May” is Robert McCredie May, Baron May of Oxford. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_May,_Baron_May_of_Oxford)
As an amateur guitarist-musician I do respect Brian May for his works with Queen. However, returning after 30 and some years to an academic topic in a Ph.D. program to fulfill what he had abandoned, perhaps due to his advising (real) Ph.D. scientist’s criticisms, makes me think that UCL used Brian in a “Fund Raising” scheme and nothing more. And for THAT only, is why UCL awarded a Ph.D. in Astronomy to him.
Part of me is glad for Brian, and part knows full well that this was a stunt to raise cash for the UCL.
The AGW crowd looks to be a “black hole” collapsing on itself and about ready to “wink” out of existence.

Reply to  RBom
September 24, 2016 9:41 pm

Is that the correct spelling for ‘wink’?

Reply to  Leo Smith
September 25, 2016 12:51 pm

Well, my guess is he meant “wink”. “a” is a long way from “I” on a standard keyboard.

commieBob
September 24, 2016 6:38 pm

It is not just climate science credibility in jeopardy, but science in general. The threat increases as the real climate picture are prepared by responsible scientists and the corruption exposed.

The credibility of science may already be shot. Any time money is involved, someone can find a scientist who will be willing to say anything that is required. Here’s an article on how Big Pharma has totally corrupted drug science.
The latest scandal is the revelation that the sugar industry paid Harvard scientists to lie about the relationship between sugar and heart disease.
Ancel Keys bore an uncomfortable resemblance to James Hansen. He’s the reason we all had to drink skim milk. Yumm. The major justification was a study that he seems to have cooked.

The gullibility of the media results in a constant flow of science scare stories. Because the media organizations are scientifically illiterate they cannot distinguish real science from junk science. link

Paul from Oz
September 24, 2016 8:54 pm

Interesting that only 16% of the National Academy of Scientists signed the letter. Perhaps the other 84% of members refused to sign because they don’t agree with their views of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming. The headline should read “84% of the NAS didn’t sign the letter on global warming!”.

September 24, 2016 9:00 pm

They forgot to call themselves “concerned”. They’re losing it.

thingodonta
September 24, 2016 9:14 pm

‘Religion’ may have solved some problems (i.e. a pre disposition to an absolute idea-one can see how this kind of mindset might help in fighting a war, for example, or in enforcing a coherent morality on society), but it certainly created a few others. (intolerance, inability to critically analyse ideas, inability to accept change, over-reliance on authority, subjugation of minorities etc etc etc).
If it was a drug, the side effects would probably not allow it to pass regulation.

JohnKnight
Reply to  thingodonta
September 25, 2016 4:02 pm

thingodonta
..”but it [Religion] certainly created a few others. (intolerance, inability to critically analyse ideas, inability to accept change, over-reliance on authority, subjugation of minorities etc etc etc).
Says who? Seriously, it looks to me like you’re just imagining people that “were” ever so tolerant and able to critically analyze ideas, able to accept change, didn’t rely (too much) on authority, and never subjected any minorities . . and then assuming that was once true of humans . .
It looks (to me) like you believing without question whatever happens to pop into your mind . . which is to say (as I see things) self-worship, or authority worship if some you adopted as authoritative put those images in your mind at some point.
Consider please; Do you treat all ideas as the same, because they are classifiable as ideas? All scientific theories as equally valid, if they are labelled scientific theories? All plants as equally healthful to eat, because they are identifiable as plants? Get my drift?

thingodonta
Reply to  JohnKnight
September 28, 2016 5:24 am

My thesis is that within what we often call ‘religion’, you have an evolutionary pre-disposition to a mindset that pre-dates modern human societies.
‘Absolutist’ style thinking, such as an ‘absolute god’, co-opted this evolved mindset which also pre-dated religion; this mindset primarily evolved to fight in war, and to subjugate those outside a group. It has certain characteristics which are recognizable: over confidence, lack of doubt, in-out group discrimination, and inability to question or reason. Note there is little that is ‘rational’ or ‘scientific’ in this style of thinking, one shouldn’t even expect it, it’s simply an evolved mechanistic pre-disposition, much the same as our pre-disposition to sugar. It didn’t evolve to understand the subtleties of why one was fighting in the first place.
It can also be dangerous to encourage this pre-disposition; its primary use was to fight a cause, such as in war, or to rigidly enforce morality on anarchic societies, but such a mindset has side effects and costs which are most obvious when it comes to ‘reason’ or ‘science’, which is also partly why historically, science and religion have so often been at odds.
I view the mind much like a computer; ‘absolutist’ style religion is like a software program within the mind that has side effects, the most obvious of includes strong belief without evidence and inability to critically analyse. Such ‘inner-criticism’ doesn’t help much in winning a war. Such is the nature of our evolutionary heritage.
If one thinks the mind is not like a computer, and that ‘religion’ doesn’t have evolutionary precursors, than one can pretty much reject this kind of idea.

Zeke
September 24, 2016 9:45 pm

Why did the Canadian chicken cross the road?

To get to the middle!
You never know a person until you see the spark in their eye. Thank you Dr. Ball.
https://goo.gl/images/upUX8d
https://goo.gl/images/cZ8CTc
It is men like Dr Tim Ball who May keep the lights on– the lights which were passed on to us by the Greatest Generation.

Zeke
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September 24, 2016 9:54 pm

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Matt
September 24, 2016 9:49 pm

I need to look this guy up. How old is he, is he senile? Why would an atheist and scientist talk about god like a kindergardener?

Zeke
Reply to  Matt
September 24, 2016 9:56 pm

Because it is useful to serve his godless ends. That’s why.

Zeke
September 24, 2016 10:10 pm

Oh and…don’t forgetcomment image

Larry Wirth
September 25, 2016 12:59 am

Surprised no one has made this comment, given the scientific interest of most readers! Brian May, ex-Queen, is a very capable and informed writer currently appearing in the pages of the excellent “Astronomy” magazine, which I highly commend to the attention of everyone on this site. His PhD is being used very well.

climatereason
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Reply to  Larry Wirth
September 25, 2016 2:58 am

Larry
I made this comment a day ago as one of the first replies. Surprised there has not been a correction.
tonyb

Reply to  Larry Wirth
September 25, 2016 4:30 am

Not many people know that
https://youtu.be/t7tIRRRSMk0

Johann Wundersamer
September 25, 2016 1:03 am

Goethes ‘oh Augenblick. ..’
– Schwarzeneggers ‘stay hungry’.
he ever stood for?
hungry, Schwarzenegger?

Mark
September 25, 2016 1:12 am

Watching Rud Istvan defend his fake science is like watching a drunk trying to drive in reverse.
There is a stream of infrared, from the sun, being interrupted and refracted by green house gases,
that is 5 times larger than the one being emitted from earth.
The green house gases’ presence, through refraction alone, reduce the surface energy density of the planet by some 20%.
Placing refractory media between a warming fire, and a rock warmed by it, reduces energy to the rock.
You can not cause more energy to leave the rock, by placing more refractory media between the rock, and the larger light source, the rock’s warmth, is derived from.
If it were possible, people everywhere would be placing refractory media between fires and the objects they warm, to increase those objects’ temperatures.
The incompetence of believing that’s possible is nothing short of ridiculous.
You can’t warm an object,
by placing more refractory material between the object and the light source it gets it’s heat from.
Reducing the energy density of the planet surface by 20% is not warming it.
Adding enough Green House Gases to reduce it 21% isn’t yet more warming.
It’s surface energy density reduction. Cooling.

DWR54
Reply to  Mark
September 25, 2016 1:53 am

Mark
“There is a stream of infrared, from the sun…”
You might want to re-check that one.

commieBob
Reply to  DWR54
September 25, 2016 5:16 am

You are the very model of diplomacy. 🙂
I prefer the pedantic approach.
Here’s a link to a wonderful graph. It shows the sun’s radiation at the top of the atmosphere (yellow) and when it hits the surface (red) in clear sky conditions. Using the eyeball integrator, the energy that gets to the surface is about half visible and half infrared. Note also that most of the sun’s energy makes it to the surface. Note also that the far infrared that radiates back to space is not on the graph. Its wavelength starts at about 4000 nm and goes up to 100000 nm (4 um to 100 um).
Mark misses the fact that the incoming radiation and the outgoing radiation are at completely different wavelengths. Here’s a good graph showing how the planet’s atmosphere transmits energy at different wavelengths. Note that the far infrared energy is much more attenuated than is the incoming visible and near infrared.
Here’s another graph showing the Earth’s energy budget. Note that only about 20% of the outgoing (top of atmosphere) radiation is directly from the surface. The rest is carried upward through the atmosphere and is radiated at a higher altitude.
If all the incoming and outgoing radiation were at the same wavelength, Mark would have a chance of being right. As it stands, he mostly doesn’t understand what’s going on.
In light of the above, Mark should knock off the personal insults. They make him look like he’s intellectually challenged.

oeman50
Reply to  Mark
September 25, 2016 2:57 am

The reflected energy is not coherent, it scatters in all directions. It is also a false analogy to compare GHGs to a refractory material, the mechanisms of inhibiting energy transfer are completely different. Please refer to previous discussions on how the term “greenhouse” gas is a misnomer.

Brett Keane
September 25, 2016 1:12 am

MieScatter
September 24, 2016 at 2:24 pm: and any others who think spectral emittance T always means Sensible Heat, which is what the whole kerfuffle is about. First learn to get your units right, as my Physics lecturer insisted. Then, learn the true meaning of Energy,Heat, Specific and Latent. Learn to distinguish each of these and Radiation. All are different, one way or another.
Then get an understanding of why Spectral emittance is not a vector, while flux is, and why flux cannot transfer energy against a greater source. That is, why GHE cannot exist outside its Glasshouse or similar. Huff all you like, it makes no nevermind.

commieBob
Reply to  Brett Keane
September 25, 2016 6:02 am

,,, Spectral emittance is not a vector, while flux is, and why flux cannot transfer energy against a greater source.

The formula for radiative transfer between two objects is:

Q = ε σ (A^4 – B^4)

where:

Q is the heat flux
ε is the emissitivity
σ is the Stefan-Bolzmann constant
A^4 is the kelvin temperature of one object raised to the fourth power
B^4 is the kelvin temperature of the other object raised to the fourth power

link
Do you see how this applies to the ‘greenhouse effect’?

Toneb
Reply to  Brett Keane
September 25, 2016 6:16 am

Then get an understanding of why Spectral emittance is not a vector, while flux is, and why flux cannot transfer energy against a greater source. That is, why GHE cannot exist outside its Glasshouse or similar. Huff all you like, it makes no nevermind.”
Oh, great, anther Dragon-slayer.
You have the real answer their in the word “flux” my friend.
That is what you are misconstruing by denying the GHE.
Heat flux of course always goes from warm to cold.
“Flux” is just another word for “NET” flow.
The GHE is NOT a net flow. Not a flux.
It is though an exchange of em energy. Of photons.
Are you proposing that photons coming from a warmer object get rejected by the colder one?
That’s the reality of the physics my friend.
And it makes no never mind.

Toneb
Reply to  Toneb
September 25, 2016 10:11 am

…… from the colder object get rejected by the warmer one.

Kat Phiche
September 25, 2016 1:38 am

re: responsible scientists, had someone tell me they were a “ethical vegetarian”. Asked them “what’s an unethical vegetarian?”

Reply to  Kat Phiche
September 25, 2016 2:39 pm

That would be a vegetarian who takes advantage of children by, for example, telling lies about B-12.

Reply to  Kat Phiche
September 26, 2016 4:22 pm

An ethical vegetarian avoids meatstuffs and rationalizes the whyfores (for the good of others and the world and the cows and the atmosphere …).
An unethical vegetarian doesn’t care about the rest of us and selfishly eats that way ’cause its healthy.

Reply to  Kat Phiche
September 26, 2016 4:23 pm

ethical vegetarian can afford the steak.
unethical vegetarian can only afford the salad.

mairon62
September 25, 2016 2:31 am

What is even being claimed by the warmunists at this point in time, Sept. 2016? Is it to limit “warming” by 2 degrees C by the end of the century, 2100? Half of which has already occurred? So, all this fuss to avoid WHAT… exactly? What’s the worst case scenario being projected if “we” do “nothing”? I ask people who “believe” in “climate change” about this and they don’t have the faintest idea. Just vague “man bad…pollution bad…nature good” clap trap. Could it be a FAQ? I would appreciate a precise answer; where could I find one? Keeping it vague by the proponents makes it easier to change the goal posts.

September 25, 2016 3:22 am

Klaus-Eckart Puls:

“Ten years ago I simply parroted what the IPCC told us. One day I started checking the facts and data – first I started with a sense of doubt but then I became outraged when I discovered that much of what the IPCC and the media were telling us was sheer nonsense and was not even supported by any scientific facts and measurements. To this day I still feel shame that as a scientist I made presentations of their science without first checking it.”

The sad thing is that “simply parroted” is common in what we call “science” today. Over and over and over again we have seen posts here and elsewhere which demonstrate that the so-called scientists of this generation have an agenda of politics first. To be as generous as I can, the best I can say is that average so-called scientist engages in group-think and is merely a “publish or perish” lab-rat.
The death of science came when a political organization funded science either directly or indirectly. The government greatly effects what “scientists” see in their work. And climatology is not even the worst field.
If an alien race came here and studied us, I am positive they would say, “how could you monkeys get it so wrong!?!

adrian smits
September 25, 2016 7:15 am

I like the radiosonde balloon record that shows .15 of warming since 1958 when it went into widespread usage.

Toneb
Reply to  adrian smits
September 25, 2016 10:09 am

Oh yeah……
Why does this show 0.8 C of warming then?comment image

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Toneb
September 25, 2016 1:48 pm

850 — 300hPA is approximately the surface to 9km.
If you are looking for the alleged modelled tropical ‘hot spot’ (confirming positive water vapour feedback to warming whatever the cause) it’s at the 300 – 200 hPA (9 – 12 km) level above the tropics (20N – 20) that the ‘hot spot’( 2 – 3 times the surface rate) would be found (if it existed):
http://www.climate4you.com/images/EquatorSurface300hPa200hPaDecadalTempChange%20BARCHART.gif

feliksch
Reply to  Toneb
September 25, 2016 2:05 pm

Maybe because it has a different time-frame.

Billy Liar
Reply to  Toneb
September 25, 2016 2:10 pm

That looks like a fake graph. It is too close to GISS. Why does it start in 1970?
Come back when you’ve got one from a reputable source with real unadjusted temperatures (not anomalies).

Toneb
Reply to  Toneb
September 25, 2016 3:01 pm

“850 — 300hPA is approximately the surface to 9km.”
No, it’s between 5,000 and 30,000 ft.
And I’m not looking for the THS.
I was only responding to the “I like the radiosonde balloon record that shows .15 of warming since 1958 when it went into widespread usage.” comment.
And the hotspot cannot be determined at the present level of instrumentation. Radiosonde are operational met instruments and not designed to be instruments of research. In any case the RATPAC sondes do indicate an enhanced warming, that both UAH and RSS (even v4) are to cold against. Whilst that is the case the sat temp record most certainly is not the “gold standard” (Curry).

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Toneb
September 25, 2016 3:23 pm

“… In any case the RATPAC sondes do indicate an enhanced warming …”.
============================
Nonsense, you sound upset.
Is it because you wish there was dangerous AGW taking place, or do you just want to be right?
http://www.climate4you.com/images/HadAT%20300hPa%2020N-20S%20MonthlyTempSince1979%20With37monthRunningAverage.gif
http://www.climate4you.com/images/HadAT%20200hPa%2020N-20S%20MonthlyTempSince1979%20With37monthRunningAverage.gif

Marcus
September 25, 2016 7:52 am

…………………..comment image?oh=8af1c31486f27c87bd8536357471ac81&oe=5875C2EB
I want one !!! or three….

Bruce Cobb
September 25, 2016 8:58 am

When the enormity of the CAGW Lie is fully exposed and the damage done to humanity tallied, the question will be “who was responsible”? Voila, they’ve conveniently started a list! So thanks, “scientists”. Any more of your brethren care to sign?

September 25, 2016 2:34 pm

*
On September 20, 2016,
375 members of the National Academy of Sciences,
including 30 Nobel laureates, published an open
letter to draw attention to the “serious risks” of climate
change. The letter warns of the consequences
of opting out of the Paris agreement. This is what I
have to say to the signatories:
********************************************
You guys signed your names to it unthinkingly.
You were swindled into agreeing that anthropogenic
climate change is not a belief, a hoax, or a
conspiracy, all of which it is. You will soon need to
prove to thinking people that your brain was out of
gear when you did it or else give up your seat in
the Academy for misuse of your position. Arno Arrak
**********************************************

Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy
September 25, 2016 4:35 pm

Let them first tell to the world:
What is global warming and what is climate change?
What is the global average temperature anomaly and what is global warming?
What is the share of global warming in the global average temperature anomaly?
What is the share of ecological changes in the global average temperature anomaly?
What is the share of natural fluctuation component in the global average temperature anomaly?
These must be specified in quantitative terms and not qualitative terms.
Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy

Reply to  Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy
September 25, 2016 8:46 pm

Allan MacRae September 25, 2016 at 4:50 pm
Allan, you mean well but as regards the satellite temperature chart you show you clearly don’t know what you are looking at. First, forget using polynomials, they are meaningless. What we have on this UAH chart are several independent segments that must be separately understood. First, on the left is a no-warming segment of 18 years. It constitutes a hiatus like the one that starts with the twenty-first century. It is overlain by an ENSO segment of five el Ninos, with La Nina valleys separating them. Trouble is in current temperature curves from NOAA they have covered it all up with a fake warming. This is followed by the super El Nino of 1998. It is sui generis and is not a part of ENSO. On both sides of it are La Nina valleys. The 1999 La Nina on its right is immediately followed by a step warming that raises all twenty-first century temperatures up by a third of a degree Celsius. It cannot possibly be greenhouse warming because to start one you must add carbon dioxide to the atmosphere and this did not happen. Since it is warm water causing this it is highly probable that it was carried across the ocean when the super El Nino arrived and then left behind when it departed. As a result, the new century now presents numerous “warmest ever” temperatures, all created by that extra third of a degree. Since this warmth cannot be replenished its future must show gradual cooling. Going over to the twenty-first century side, its original warming seemed almost horizontal and has been referred to as part of a hiatus. Monckton sees a hiatus of 19 years there but I would take three years off because he includes the super El Nino which should not be used. Hansen noticed quickly that nine out of ten warmest ever years were all part of the first decade of the twenty-first century. To him that proved the greenhouse effect which is plain nonsense because we know that no carbon dioxide was added in 1999. But if you look beyond the first decade you start to notice some cooling as I said to expect.There is a noticeable down-slope whose exact degree is hard to establish because the La Nina of 2009 and the El Nino of 2010 interfere. It looks like the down-slope starts somewhere after 2002 and ends about 2012. It ends there because after that the El Nino of 2016 starts to form. But if you extend this down-slope with an imaginary line beyond the 2016 El Nino it points to the level that existed around 1999, the starting point of this warming. That means no warming to come and possibly another hiatus like the eighties and nineties were. As to showing the trends, I recommend that first you use a magic marker and cover the temperatures with a transparent color band. If there are ENSO peaks present add some dots too that mark the halfway points between neighboring El Ninos and La Ninas. This is what I did in figure 15 in my book “What Warming.” It shows beautifully the hiatus present to the left of the super El Nino. The hiatus that NOAA stole.

Reply to  Arno Arrak (@ArnoArrak)
September 26, 2016 5:02 am

Hello Arno,
The polynomial is from Roy Spencer, not me – I was surprised to see it as I forgot it was in this post.
All I saw was this url:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_July_2012.png
I will not parse your comments – too much detail for this early in the morning.
If you want to critique my work, please comment on my points 1 to 10 here:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/09/23/lewandowsky-and-cook-deniers-cannot-provide-a-coherent-alternate-worldview/comment-page-1/#comment-2305891
I am particularly interested in thoughtful comments on points #1, 2 and 3. I am confident about all my points except #6, for imminent global cooling, and hope to be wrong about #6 because of #8, 9 and 10..
Kindly do not comment instead on Salby – my work predates his by several years and makes fewer claims.
Regards, Allan

Reply to  Arno Arrak (@ArnoArrak)
September 26, 2016 5:12 am
Allan MacRae
September 25, 2016 4:50 pm

More nonsense from the people who publish PNAS (Proceedings – National Academy of Science).
I tried to help these people with their warmist delusions years ago – really I did!
Here is my correspondence to them from 2012:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/08/an-incovenient-result-july-2012-not-a-record-breaker-according-to-the-new-noaancdc-national-climate-reference-network/#comment-1054285
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_July_2012.png
To:
Heads of Departments,
Proceedings, National Academy of Sciences (PNAS)
Dear PNAS Heads:
UAH Global Temperature Update for July 2012: +0.28C,
COOLER than June, 2012: +0.37 deg.
If one wants to argue about GLOBAL warming, should one not look first at GLOBAL temperatures?
Respectfully, Allan

gnomish
Reply to  Allan MacRae
September 25, 2016 6:07 pm

you called em pnas heads?
good job!

Reply to  gnomish
September 27, 2016 10:06 am

PNAS should not publish such nonsense; PNAS should be more upstanding.

DWR54
Reply to  Allan MacRae
September 26, 2016 12:57 am

Amazing that AGW theory survived the -0.09 C fall between the June and July 2012 lower troposphere temperature anomalies. What more evidence do these people need?

Reply to  DWR54
September 26, 2016 5:25 am

DWR54:
NOAA in a 2012 press release stated as follows:
“The average temperature for the contiguous U.S. during July was 77.6°F, 3.3°F above the 20th century average, marking the hottest July and the hottest month on record for the nation. The previous warmest July for the nation was July 1936 when the average U.S. temperature was 77.4°F. The warm July temperatures contributed to a record-warm first seven months of the year and the warmest 12-month period the nation has experienced since recordkeeping began in 1895.”
NOAA was trying to stir up fear of global warming by citing data from the Continental USA (CONUS) by stating (incorrectly, as it turned out) that July 2012 was the warmest July EVAH in the CONUS.
The point in my 2012 post was that if NOAA is trying to scare people about global warming, at least use global temperature data, not regional data.
Globally, July 2012 was slightly cooler than June 2012. Globally, July 2012 was NOT the warmest month EVAH.
Regards, Allan

September 25, 2016 5:49 pm

Prior to publication, Ben Santer unilaterally removed each of the the following statements from the ‘expert reviewed and approved’ Chapter 8 of the 1996 IPCC Report. As the chapter’s lead author, Santer had the authority to alter the final language, which originally contained these statements:
• “None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed [climate] changes to the specific cause of increases in greenhouse gases.”
[This statement was deleted by B. Santer.]
• “While some of the pattern-based studies discussed here have claimed detection of a significant climate change, no study to date has positively attributed all or part [of the climate change observed] to [man-made] causes. Nor has any study quantified the magnitude of a greenhouse gas effect or aerosol effect in the observed data—an issue of primary relevance to policy makers.”
[This statement was deleted by B. Santer.]
• ”Any claims of positive detection and attribution of significant climate change are likely to remain controversial until uncertainties in the total natural variability of the climate system are reduced.”
[This statement was deleted by B. Santer.]
• ”While none of these studies has specifically considered the attribution issue, they often draw some attribution conclusions, for which there is little justification.”
[This statement was deleted by B. Santer.]
• ”When will an anthropogenic effect on climate be identified? It is not surprising that the best answer to this question is, ‘We do not know’.
[This statement was deleted by B. Santer.]
Santer then replaced those deleted comments with this:
“The body of statistical evidence in chapter 8, when examined in the context of our physical understanding of the climate system, now points to a discernible human influence on the global climate.”
[my emphasis]
Now it’s 20 years later, and the IPCC still cannot produce Santer’s ‘fingerprint of man made global warming’. Measurements quantifying AGW are no more than guesstimates. But the damage was done when Santer misrepresented the conclusions of the experts who worked on Section 8.
The IPCC presumes to be the worldwide ‘authority’ on the subject. But it is an authority without the necessary data to support its [Santer’s] conclusion.
“A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of truth.”
~ Albert Einstein

September 25, 2016 6:49 pm

Santer’s role, in collaboration with Sir John Houghton, is described by Bernie Lewin here: https://enthusiasmscepticismscience.wordpress.com/2015/11/21/remembering-madrid-95-a-meeting-that-changed-the-world-2/

B Graham
September 25, 2016 11:56 pm

Everytime I see you bark ignorant bullsh** like that I remind myself to remind everyone else here, that you’re the GHE believer who claimed to be a meteorologist, but can’t tell everyone the name of the law of thermodynamics for solving temperature of atmospheric gas mixes.
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”Toneb
September 25, 2016 at 3:01 pm
And the hotspot cannot be determined at the present level of instrumentation. Radiosonde are operational met instruments and not designed to be instruments of research. ”

Toneb
Reply to  B Graham
September 26, 2016 12:24 pm

“Everytime I see you bark ignorant bullsh** like that I remind myself to remind everyone else here, that you’re the GHE believer who claimed to be a meteorologist, but can’t tell everyone the name of the law of thermodynamics for solving temperature of atmospheric gas mixes.”
Tell that to Anthony and to Roy Spencer.
Who both “believe in the GHE… as so they should as it is empirical science and not up for arguement.
They just disagree about whether it’s the major and/or significant factor.
Also the GHE involves radiative physics my frined, and is independent of “gas mixes”.
Go find a text book.
….. Oops, I forgot.
You make up your own.

Mark
Reply to  Toneb
September 27, 2016 11:34 pm

Toneb the calculations that prove your thermobilly pseudoscience to be fake, are those in every atmospheric chemistry book that exists. There is a hydrostatic equation that had better be found in your calculation for temperature of a gas, which accounts for mix density, or your mathematics are faked.
That’s what everyone has found out about the pseudoscience you claim to believe. There’s no reference to any green house gas in solving the gas calculations that give the world regulated industrial activity related to gases, vacuums, and temperatures regarding them.
I don’t care how many people followed the failed religious movement down the worm hole of having believed fake atmospheric mathematics and physics.
Working scientists don’t have to care who anyone is: It’s their scientific argument we check and when we do check, there’s not going to be any taking over our sciences due to mania, being connected with important government employment, or anything.
Science, is above politics, because political hacks grow old; senile; are caught so many times saying incompetent tripe, they become laughingstocks.
Scientists are of all people, the moral judges of a civilization. When it’s government employees lose their morality and start chemistry scams, scientists from every field get together and discuss the transparent falsehood of the fraud.
No matter how many newspapers are bought and ‘converted to believe’ the scam, we scientists are above that scam and many of us – I’m not one yet because I’m careful – quit jobs rather than bow to the stupid, who simply have no morality about how they conduct their forays into our realm(s).
No matter how many networks laugh at us – we don’t care.
No matter how many internet goons try to simply censor us – people know when a message is being shaved, and shaped, and manipulated so that important contributions are absent.
People
simply check
at real scientific sites,
run by real scientific professionals,
whose explanations match classical, correctly processed, mathematics and physics.
The gases are a phase of matter unto themselves because there are completely separate physical characteristics which * d e m a n d * a specific mathematical description.
The one for gases is that the density of that gas volume, that atmospheric mix volume – must be known.
* where that calculation is not in evidence, proper mathematical processing of a compressible, hence mass density variable phase of matter, has not happened.*
Where people are seen claiming there is a 33 degree ‘ghe’ that calculation, will always be missing from their faulty computations.
End of your bullsh*t.
End of your religion’s hope to ever be considered anything but the delusional quackery of frauds and fakes who founded it as a meme to scam grants.

Mark
Reply to  B Graham
September 27, 2016 11:18 pm

The claim instrumentation on radiosondes aren’t sensitive enough is utter bullsh**. Scientists still use them as primary meteorological records for space flight launches because they put sophisticated physical instruments in the very places the spacecraft will pass.
Hansen et als’ claims the instruments are somehow sub par are evidence of his word vs the word of all the orbit oriented global climate models that still operate on the same laws of gas thermodynamics they always did.
Hansen and everyone who ever claimed they believed in his bunk, have all been – debunked. Practically endless numbers of times, from predictions of sun spots to predictions of glacial retreat to predictions of temperatures rising to predictions of sea levels rising.
None of Hansen’s claims have come true. His models and methods are considered the sewer of self professed scientific endeavor. People refer to his disciples, ‘climatology believers’ as the kooks right to their faces and they sit there and take that because they couldn’t predict their way out of a green house gas soaked paper bag.
The SOLE reason for the lofting of those research instruments into the sky is research. The fake atmospheric professional known as Toneb can’t find enough ways to warble lies.
Radiosonde data are in fact responsible for major parts of all atmospheric research in the mid to late 20th, and early 21st century; they’re still sent up in droves, because there’s simply no more accurate way to get high quality instrumental data,
than putting high quality instruments in the sky right where the readings are needed.