HuffPost: Global Warming Is A Greater Moral Challenge Than Budget Repair

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Guest essay by Eric Worrall

WUWT recently reported how budget cuts to ARENA renewables programmes were an “existential threat” to green innovation. Now we learn that it is immoral to slash green budgets to try to contain the spiralling Aussie government debt.

Global Warming Is A Greater Moral Challenge Than Budget Repair

Australia is at a critical moment.

Cutting carbon emissions remains one of the key challenges of our time. Former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd described it as “the greatest moral challenge of our generation” and Barack Obama has stated “we will respond to the threat of climate change, knowing that the failure to do so would betray our children and future generations”.

Between 2012 and 2016, the Australian Renewable Energy Agency (ARENA) supported 254 renewable energy projects across a range of technologies including new storage technology, ocean energy, solar thermal, and solar PV or enabling technologies. These projects have advanced clean technologies and brought the benefit of thousands of new jobs to every Australian state and territory.

Yet the future of ARENA is currently seriously imperilled. Scott Morrison’s Budget Savings (omnibus) bill, currently before the parliament, includes a cut of $1.3 billion to ARENA, which effectively would mean the end of ARENA.

The Prime Minister has stated that budget repair is a “moral challenge”. Yet surely the future of the planet poses an even greater moral challenge. Renewable energy is one of the best solutions to our greenhouse pollution — as well as a solution for regions that need jobs. ARENA has a critical role to play in Australia’s renewable energy future and needs to be pulled off the chopping block.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/suzanne-harter/global-warming-is-a-greater-moral-challenge-than-budget-repair/?utm_hp_ref=au-homepage

If renewables was a real business which delivered value, they could try to trade their way out of trouble – they could innovate, expand into new markets, trim costs, increase sales to restore profitability. But renewables are not a real business, they are a political fantasy, totally dependent on taxpayer handouts. So their only option when times get tough is to squeal like stuck pigs, to try to frighten politicians into maintaining the money font.

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119 thoughts on “HuffPost: Global Warming Is A Greater Moral Challenge Than Budget Repair

  1. Reblogged this on Climatism and commented:

    “If renewables was a real business which delivered value, they could try to trade their way out of trouble – they could innovate, expand into new markets, trim costs, increase sales to restore profitability. But renewables are not a real business, they are a political fantasy, totally dependent on taxpayer handouts. So their only option when times get tough is to squeal like stuck pigs, to try to frighten politicians into maintaining the money font.”

    Just as socialist central planning failed miserably before it was replaced by free market economies, green central planning will have to be discarded before Australia and the rest of the ‘unreliable’ energy-obsessed western world will be able to see a return to economic growth and budget repair.

  2. Framing this as “a moral challenge” tells you that the primary purpose of the position they take is to signal their moral superiority.

    • Judge public policy not on its intentions, but one its outcomes.
      – Milton Friedman

      Some outcomes:


      Red kite with broken wing, waiting for a slow death under a wind turbine – courtesy of GURELUR*.


      Not pretty

    • I have got news for these eco moralisers trying to arse lick their way into some sort of Gaian heaven, Gaia hasn’t got one so stop wearing your tongues out.

      • This is the summary CV from HuffPuffPost of Suzanne Harter, author of this piece of Gaia licking:-

        “Suzanne is currently a climate change campaigner at the Australian Conservation Foundation. Her childhood was spent in Hawaii, close to nature and often in the ocean. She has an International Affairs degree from Lewis and Clark College in Oregon and a Masters of Public Administration from the Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs at Syracuse University.”

        A true blue ecocrat, a tye died in the wool apparatchik, a career hacktivist.

        Well done HuffPuff, you have excelled yourself in self ridicule.

      • PS
        I have long thought that MBA stands for Masturbating Bullsh$%%ing A$$&ole so I guess MPA must be Masturbating Pontificating A$$&ole.

  3. Such a complete lack of reality in that position. It’s a delusional mental illness with control of the masses and selfish desire for personal profits at it’s core.

  4. The solution to the AGW + capitalism + overpopulation problem is AGW
    If we just let AGW do its thing it will rid the planet of its human pestilence.
    And return the earth to its pre-human pristine condition
    Voila

    • chaamjamal — I like it.

      Stop trying to stop AGW! Let it run wild! End all renewables! All government funding! Just sit back and let mother nature have her revenge! I’m up for it!

      Oh, the suffering humanity will endure! Coal fired power for the poor nations! Crop increases! Population slowdown as third world countries industrialize!

      TURN THE CAPITALIST DEMONS LOOSE! Humanity deserves what it will get!

      Eugene WR Gallun

      • There’s only one problem: If all these “green” measures were stopped (wind farms, sun-catchers, ethanol subsidies, etc.), the difference would likely be smaller than natural swings, making it impossible to detect. All we would notice would be how much easier it is to balance the budget.

      • Other than to continue alternately trying to educate and ridicule, I don’t know how else to convince idiots who think personal freedom and cheap, reliable energy, two of the best things, somehow make the world a bad place, of their folly. This is my polemic to you, pyeatte: pull your head out, before it’s too late. Read “The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels” and try to understand it. Better yet, just go for a nice leisurely drive, of take a trip on an airplane to somewhere you’ve always wanted to go, or eat a really good meal at a nice restaurant that serves an dishes that you could not otherwise enjoy were it not for the miracle of modern air freight. Then kick back, unbutton the top button on your pants and say AHHH! Because life is good!

      • pyette, sorry, I may have judged you unfairly based on this one comment. My advice is for those who believe the HuffPo article.

    • If the Greens really believed that global warming was going to decimate the human population, they wouldn’t be campaigning so strongly against it. But they know they can wipe out a greater portion of humanity, and greatly limit the growth of the remaining population, by restricting the use of fossil fuels. AGW is just a means to that end. And if this “crisis” fizzles out, they’ll simply do as they have done in the past and manufacture another one to achieve their ends.

      • Precisely. The Montreal Protocol caused inert CFC’s to be replaced with flammable propane in many spray cans. It was the practice run for CO2 brainwashing. Even BCF (BromoChloroFlourine) fire extinguishers were banned in the early 90’s.

        Now the US EPA is trying to limit Ozone, the very thing that was supposedly being damaged by CFC’s. How they’re going to stop Ozone-producing lightning I can’t fathom. Time to have their hypocrisy and circular arguments binned for good.

  5. I note the total absence of science from their list of reasons to give them money. Apparently it is true that the science is settled: they don’t have the nerve any more to trot out their pseudo-scientific arguments for a non-existent anthropogenic global warming.

  6. It is unethical to see no clear path to unbounded Energy as anything but an existential threat.

    Sound familiar? That is similar to the tactic fronted by frenetic climate alarmists who are trying to push a dozen pet agendas and several for-profit agendas crafted specially for them, all at once — rallying the people over a global average temperature signal that is presently buried in noise, and a CO2-to-temperature causation that may turn out to be nil or even backwards. Unfortunately there is an international scam in progress and the scammers are clever, they have seized the moral high-ground because it had been left unoccupied and undefended. Those who praise humanity and progress for its own sake, and would remind others we should never judge ourselves in haste, must have wandered off somewhere.

    There is also a scuffle on the Global Warming moral high-ground as the folks who run nuclear power plants are kicked in the face and tossed off the mound. They expected to be welcomed with open arms because nuclear energy will help save the planet from CO2. They did not realize the movement is rife with people whose irrational fear of radiation exceeds any commitment to the environment. Anyone who even mentions nuclear power gets a feral and brutal response. I’ve taken pity on the nuclear industry and have tried to explain the phenomenon but they’re not taking it very well. Like the Amish, our nuclear power industry needs staunch defenders surrounding it. They’re just too polite for their own good.

    ~My letter to Donald Trump, May 2016

    • Hocus, read your letter and will vist some of the sites you mentioned. I understand little about the process ( right now) but will try to educate myself. But in general your letter caught my attention ( not so much because of that but because you describe so aptly what is so wrong today. The apathy in the education system, the attacks on conservatism and all of that. It it is sad to see the decline and I compare it to the decline of many cultures but to me the most obvious one is the Roman Empire! Corruption in government and bread and games for the peons!

      • Please don’t confuse what’s going on in the education system today with apathy. There’s nothing apathetic about it. Socialists and Progressives are using public schools to intentionally and actively brainwash children to make them good reliable leftist voters who will perpetuate the largest unions in the world and perpetuate their own gravy train of outsized, unsustainable public retirements. To be sure, many individual teachers are apathetic or may not even realize that that’s what they’re doing, but the smart ones do. So run for your school board as a Conservative, Constitutionalist, Traditionalist or Republican. Vote for school vouchers and personal choice. If you have a streak of Social Justice Warrior in you, then vote to free inner-city black children from failed schools that perpetuate inter-generational poverty.

      • “Please don’t confuse what’s going on in the education system today with apathy.”

        Mickey Reno is correct. The Left has a plan and they are carrying it out, and they have big, socialist billionaire money behind this effort. They are within striking distance of winning. It’s time to push back.

  7. If Australia really wants to cut their carbon emissions they would start building nuclear plants today. They can easily place them far from population centers to appease the NIMBY’s and fear mongers. Thorium plants would be best but the newest generation of Uranium plants to start until Thorium designs are commercialized.

    • dd. I read somewhere a few years ago that Australia has two thirds of the world’s known supply of uranium. I believe that some of the people that should understand that CAGW is not going to happen are supporting the lie in the hope that the folks who are holding up the further implementation of nuclear power will be persuaded to knock it off.

    • The first (Chinese?) commercial design for a Thorium plant won’t be ready till the early 2030s…

      so Oz can wait for 20 years, or go for existing nuclear (EDF design not recommended…)

      • Actually, Greg, the Fukushima reactors were BWRs, following the first generation GE Mark 1 design. Westinghouse built PWRs. Not that it makes much difference to the point of the post.

      • Griff September 5, 2016 at 7:22 am Are any of these Thorium plants under construction? If not Thorium as a power source is still theoretical. 20yrs could just as easily be 200yrs.

        Greg September 5, 2016 at 7:44 am The Fuckupshima disaster was one of placement.

      • It was not the reactor design that was the problem at Fukushima, it was implementation. The placement of the emergency power generators in the basement, that became flooded, was the problem. These should have been protected as much as the control room which was unharmed. Had that been done, the diesel generators would have powered the reactor cooling pumps until grid power was re-established a few days later.

    • australian rulers absolutely do NOT want to cut CO2 emissions – they are the world’s biggest coal exporter.
      they make sure that coal is burned somewhere – just not in country.
      because hypocrisy. the purpose of the huge hypocrisy is to insult the intelligence.
      there is a war on against intelligence.
      the australians are winning their battle.

  8. “Renewable energy is one of the best solutions to our greenhouse pollution — as well as a solution for regions that need jobs.”
    Author forgot to include – Renewable energy is the worst solution for our electrical grid.

    • kokoda —

      Not to mention that renewables are basically a socialist make work program.

      Eugene WR Gallun

    • Renewable energy like wind and solar, at the expense of base-load power, is the formula for global deindustrialization, which is the whole point of the far-left loons – very evil.

  9. Perhaps Rudd might ponder that it is immoral to leave our descendants saddled with the yoke of massive debt and the planet covered with the ruins of half-baked green technologies, hundreds of thousands of miles of abandoned access roads, thousands of open-pit mines and quarries, hundreds of thousands of miles of power lines to nowhere, hundreds of millions of obsolete and useless in-premises devices, and a simple little note reading:

    “Sorry about the mess we made. We thought we were doing the right thing. Good luck with the cleanup and that whole poverty thing.”

    • from todays adelaide advertiser online

      $500k energy grant eroded by power bills
      KAPUNDA’S largest employer says a $500,000 government grant will be “completely eroded” by a doubling of its energy bills created by the state’s headlong dive into renewables.

  10. Does it surprise anyone that a company that 1) has had mediocre performance, 2) built on other people’s money, (ariana huffington was a hack reporter when she married), … subscribes to the idea …. that we should have have programs that 1) at best, will accomplish nothing, 2) funded by other people’s money …

  11. It is unethical to see no clear path to unbounded Energy as anything but an existential threat.

    Sound familiar? That is similar to the tactic fronted by frenetic climate alarmists who are trying to push a dozen pet agendas and several for-profit agendas crafted specially for them, all at once — rallying the people over a global average temperature signal that is presently buried in noise, and a CO2-to-temperature causation that may turn out to be nil or even backwards. Unfortunately there is an international scam in progress and the scammers are clever, they have seized the moral high-ground because it had been left unoccupied and undefended. Those who praise humanity and progress for its own sake, and would remind others we should never judge ourselves in haste, must have wandered off somewhere.

    There is also a scuffle on the Global Warming moral high-ground as the folks who run nuclear power plants are kicked in the face and tossed off the mound. They expected to be welcomed with open arms because nuclear energy will help save the planet from CO2. They did not realize the movement is rife with people whose irrational fear of radiation exceeds any commitment to the environment. Anyone who even mentions nuclear power gets a feral and brutal response. I’ve taken pity on the nuclear industry and have tried to explain the phenomenon but they’re not taking it very well. Like the Amish, our nuclear power industry needs staunch defenders surrounding it. They’re just too polite for their own good.

    Unfortunately, we have passed beyond peak politeness. To force Energy debates to address practical solutions, bullies are needed. We must rout the occupiers and re-take the moral high-ground because we place a high priority on survival, and for the children’s sake. And because … well … “What a piece of work is a man! How noble in reason, how infinite in faculty! In form and moving how express and admirable! In action how like an angel, in apprehension how like a god! The beauty of the world. The paragon of animals…” And other such stuff.

    ~from my letter to Donald Trump, May 2016

  12. If anybody had any good ideas concerning alternative energy, money would be pouring in to finance these ideas like no tomorrow. Instead, we have wind and solar without any way of storing it. Not a good idea.

    • Greenpeace have spoken out against the funding of fusion or thorium research, as they have violently opposed shale gas. The implication is clear; they don’t want low-carbon energy that works; their ONLY concern is to promote the products of their backers, the wind and solar businesses.

    • As soon.as we start discussing alternatives (to the fossil fuels), the loony left have demonized, we’re effectively indicating, even if only partially, that we agree with their scam, their dogma or belief – that CAGW is a threat to the planet, or to future generations etc…
      We need to be very careful not to ever give them any impression that we subscribe to any part of their loony ideology – give em an inch and they’ll expect a mile…
      WE MUST always vehemently oppose this CAGW SCAM and always try to expose it as the enormously dangerous HOAX that it is – the front of the most despicable social engineering project our world has ever seen.

      Sure, we do indeed need alternatives to fossil fuel based energy and surely do need to be seriously looking for them right now, especially somrthing to supersede coal, that being the main energy resource for generating RELIABLE, base-load electricity; simply because coal, oil and gas are all FINITE comodities and the fact that the world will eventually run out of these great energy resources, is the reason we must look to alternatives and preferably BETTER alternatives. However, this is the only reason and NO OTHER REASON we should be looking for such alternatives.

      In the meantime, we must continue in our efforts to get the message across to the rest of the hood-winked public that the Socialist left’s CAGW / Global warming ideology is nothing but that and the biggest HOAX ever unleashed on humanity…
      The public needs to know what is really going on and how all the corrupt western governments are all part of a wicked plot. A scheme where they fully intend on using this giant scam and HOAX to ruin our economy, our livelihoods, then take total control of everything we do, once they form their Socialist World Government in the UN after it elects itself into power…

      BUT THIS CAN ONLY HAPPEN IF WE LET THEM.

      • France will only spend 50 billion euros keeping its current nuclear plants running…

        And without those nuclear plants running properly and reliably, their entire economy shuts down.

        Not such a bad expense at all then, is it?
        That tiny 50 billions of nuclear maintenance and support keeps their ENTIRE $2,460 billion (nominal GDP 2016 = 2.46 trillion) country running, when their ENTIRE wind energy program can be completely (should be!) ignored. No, French nuclear power is not their only electric supply. But if it stops, the rest can do no more turn on a few isolated lights. The rest of the country back to pulling house carts from horses and dogs.

        And that wind program could be (should be!) stopped. And dismantled.

      • feliksch the troll. Please try reading for comprehension before commenting. Griff’s comments were to compare the 50 billion that France spent to the 1 trillion that the EU spent.

      • MarkW, I have checked many of Griffs hit-and-run diversionary incursions and he is always wide off the mark – no wonder citing from Propaganda Central. Sometimes he tries to be ironical, like in this case, but the intended irony presents itself as stupidity (you may correct me if you have a better explanation). He certainly would prefer more idling French windmills to refurbished nuclear power stations, so for an occasional reader he better had written: … only to keep its plants running. The non-occasional reader knows his trollish intention.

  13. By mentioning the “budget” I think they’ve highlighted what their real goals are – “We want more money!”

  14. “Renewable energy is one of the best solutions to our greenhouse pollution — as well as a solution for regions that need jobs.”

    Nuclear energy is an even better solution. Nuclear energy solves all your greenhouse problems, and it improves your electric grid, whereas unreliable renewables greatly complicate the whole process and drive up costs dramatically.

    • Nuclear energy solves all your greenhouse problems, and it improves your electric grid,…

      What ‘greenhouse problems’?
      We must always be careful to NEVER give the loony left, alarmist scaremongers any impression that we agree there is such a thing as ‘greenhouse problems’, or agree with ANY part of their ridiculous CAGW claims, assertions and bizarre morbid predictions…

      Sure, argue for alternatives such as nuclear, but only from the viewpoint that fossil fuels are finite resources and we need alternatives to supersede them, (preferably better ones), once they are depleted.

      NEVER give those morbid, leftard, misanthropic greenies the impression we think that CAGW and global warming caused by man-made CO2 is a real threat to any life… The only threat to it is THEM, with their loony CAGW ideology and their proposed (totally useless and unecessary) methods to mitigate the effects of essential to life CO2, which they claim are essential measures, needed to be undertaken by everyone to ‘save the planet’… (And ignore all the life that has always resided on it for millions of years).

      It is an enormous.HOAX and we should be constantly reminding them and ridiculing them about the FACT that it is only that.

  15. “existential threat” to green innovation.?
    The biggest threat to any innovation is government subsidies. If you subsidize uneconomic technology, you remove the incentive to improve the technology to make it profitable. (Ethanol production in the US and Brazil illustrates the problem).

  16. The US national debt is $20 TRILLION, $10 TRILLION of which was added in just the last 8 years under Obama, and unfunded liabilities have grown to $100+ TRILLION.

    The US M1 money supply has increased from $800 billion to a staggering $4.2 TRILLION just under Obama’s watch; typically, M1 money supply should only increase at about 2% per year….

    No nation can survive such reckless fiscal and monetary insanity without suffering a HUGE correction to wipeout all this unsustainable debt and misallocation of capital.

    Rather than address these real existential threats, political hacks try to loot even more from the private sector through insane CAGW policies to address a non-existent problem.

    It’s sickening to watch the looters of this world pick at the last pieces of flesh from humanity’s carcass…

    • That existential crisis will be the opportunity for more political power skewed to the central government and larger government. That is always the Socialist modus operandi.. Create a crisis whereby the demands of the stricken enable and provide cover for the power grab and additional taxation. They frame it as a moral imperative, that is do nothing is immoral. Which of course is the only and entire reason for the C in CAGW.

  17. Now all that’s left to do is for Huffpost to explain where all that global warming is. In their confused logic, the lack of global warming is irrelevant. If their readers THINK there is global warming, and they do, being certified simpletons (being readers/believers of Huffpost) , then Huffpost isn’t about to rock the boat and lose subscribers, even if they realized their idiocy.

  18. HELP! PLEASE SAVE OUR GREEN/CLIMATE JOBS!

    Over the past 30 years, while everybody else has been creating cell phones, Google, Facebook, robot probes to Pluto, email, and eradicating polio & small pox, we have created…well…a few hundred crummy climate models that don’t appear to predict very much, and people are beginning to laugh at them for being so wrong.

    IT’S WORSE THAN YOU THINK! WE NEED MORE MONEY TO FIX THESE PROBLEMS. DO NOT LET US GET WASHED AWAY BY A BURST OF TAXPAYER COMMON SENSE!

    /sarc (as if needed)

    • Sarcasm? Where?
      I was able to track the very same CO2 rhetoric back to documents in 1992. Including models of taxation, ex ante evaluations and all. It is precisely as you describe it.

  19. “Yet surely the future of the planet poses an even greater moral challenge.” What about the future of people?

  20. What a perfect case they think they have! The ultimate card that trumps everything else, including apparently, political and economic survival. And now that “the science is settled”, there’s no need to bother with further arguments (QED and QED again, so there!). But I still think there’s a possibility that the territory that these Flatlanders are carving out for themselves will turn out to be a kind of Petri dish, so that they’re up for observation by anyone who isn’t restricted to the same 2D world.

    • It was just fiat money, not real. It is the Greek solution on a larger scale. Growth and real income are the losers.

  21. Kevin Rudd, in his maiden parliamentary speech, declared the General Sales Tax (GST), introduced by the Liberal Party, as ( you guessed it ) immoral!
    Did he strike out this immorality when he became Prime Minister or did he use the money for ( ahem) moral purposes? No prizes for the correct answer.
    Morality and patriotism are the last refuges of the desperate scoundrel.

  22. Selective child religious/moral policy is an actual moral hazard.

    Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming may be a risk. It is not for the children (a.k.a. Posterity).

  23. “ARENA’s role is to accelerate emerging renewable energy along the innovation chain, …” arena.gov.au

    The best example of innovation in the face of an existential threat is arguably WW2. Lots of people thought the war was won by the boffins. example

    Government support clearly made things happen.

    Another example of government supported innovation is the early space program.

    Based on the above examples, greenies and bureaucrats will believe that all that is necessary for innovation is to throw enough money at the problem. They are wrong.

    Certain preconditions are necessary for innovation. Consider the internet. Affordable computers are necessary for the internet. Integrated circuits are necessary for affordable computers. The transistor had to be invented for integrated circuits to be possible. The first practical transistor was demonstrated in 1947. No matter what you did, you weren’t going to have the internet in 1900.

    The necessary preconditions aren’t there for renewable energy to become a viable replacement for our current system. Breakthroughs are necessary. Breakthroughs almost never happen on demand.

    There is a little book that should be compulsory for policy makers. Why Greatness Cannot Be Planned convincingly shows why breakthroughs are almost always the result of serendipitous discovery rather than bureaucratic planning.

  24. the founders of this nation considered using government to impose your “morality” on the nation was the most EVIL form of tyranny……..and i am aware a tyrant is ONE person rule, but the point remains, using the government as the “tyrant” ends up the same.

  25. In an age of moral relativism governed as much by fashion as by Green politicians there is no sustainable beacon of light to be found. This has already been well demonstrated by science, economics and Green agnostics. So the Green Imposition return claiming a moral imperative. With no subsidies or tax breaks, plenary indulgences, guaranteed welcoming committees at the Pearly Gates, their moral claim is as equally unsustainable as it is ridiculous.

  26. Looked at the Arena projects list. By and large a complete waste, government subsidy boondoogle to others private project fantasies. More wind farms is not innovation. Biodiesel from microalgae is not only not innovation (been done by Sapphire, by Joule), it doesn’t scale for two insurmountable reasons so is also just stupid (as Sapphire and Joule both found at pilot scale). Essay Salvation by Swamp tells that tale. No projects on energy storage other than pumped hydro–not innovation, texhnology has been around for many decades.
    The warmunist whine about funding energy innovation cited in the post is just that, another delusional whine. Not to mention opportunity cost. $Aus Billion a year buys a nice, shiney new ~800MW CCGT each year. Cuts CO2 emissions to ~35% of conventional coal, with cheaper capital operating at ~2x higher fuel efficiency. That is how US has been reducing net emissions. Its how the UK and Australia could, if they really wanted to do something economical that makes simple common sense unlike greenwashed nonsense.

  27. The Huffington Post has as much legitimacy writing about morality as Bill Clinton does speaking of marital fidelity.

  28. “Yet surely the future of the planet poses an even greater moral challenge.”

    Wow! I had no idea that little Australia controlled “the future of the planet!”. And for a mere Aus $1.3 billion a year!

    /sarc

  29. To say that I object to the idea that funding of ‘green projects’ is a moral issue would be an understatement.
    The catastrophic warmunists want us to to accept (I hesitate to use the word ‘believe’) that we should engineer our way out of a looming climate crisis of our own making. A practical question you might imagine.
    To present it as a moral issue is an attempt to make it unarguable, just like some religious ‘moral’ issues of yesteryear. It’s a variant of the appeal to authority. The great authority in the sky, as relayed/interpreted by the priesthood (a.k.a. approved ‘scientists’) would be angry with you, ergo it’s immoral. That, mixed with the concept of sin. Hang your head in shame, lest you be attacked on facebook/twitter etc..
    Truly revolting, simply demonstrating that their argument is lost.

  30. Just a thought not long ago we had the subject came up of the ability of off shore wind farms to “weather” a hurricane. Guess who’s coming to dinner? It looks like Hermine is going to roll right over Rhode Islands brandy new wind farm.
    If Hermine regains hurricane strength it could get interesting.

    michael

      • HM
        mm, I not sure of the storms present location. Block Island is where the wind farm is. A northeast turn would spare Ct, Mass and R.I. but Block Island is far enough east to catch some of it I would think.

        I have been through enough of them when I was young to know nothing is sure as to which they can turn.

        michael

    • The worst of the greenies and warmistas pray that no wind farm is damaged but are dying for the next devastating Katrina for finger-pointing.

  31. It’s a no-brainer for a politician, they have not got a clue how to fix the economy but they can always grandstand, win votes and raise taxes with the climate.

  32. To help overseas folks understand the context
    The Fairfax press reran the Huff piece on strictly commercial lines
    See Fairfax aims its papers’ content at the
    inner city green left mostly the teachers lawyers IT people journos etc
    They love to be told how wicked are capitalist economies with climate change a moral issue replacing religion
    I placed an email comment on a Fairfax blog
    suggesting IPCC projections were astray (in light ofJohn Christy’s evidence to c
    Congress)
    One higjly indignant response was to ask me
    ” did I have a clear conscience about the likely
    deaths of millions no billions?”
    This is the apocalyptic mindset that Fairfax plays up to

  33. This underscores the underlying truth of all government activities, who ends up with the money ?
    As you may remember, Deep Throat of Watergate fame said “Follow the money.”

  34. Funny how renewables are much cheaper than eeebil coal, put “old” generators out of business because “wind is free” and get massively cheaper and better every year still can’t operate a single day without subsidies.

  35. Budget repair is a financial challenge, not a moral one. While ARENA is financial suicide, which used to be considered immoral.

  36. So now the regressives are attempting to steal the ‘moral’ argument in support of their CAGW fiction?

  37. In the modern world where ‘Principles’ are for suckers and right-wing extremists, ‘Morality’ is tied intimately to the dictum of the 60’s hedonist radicals: “If it feels good, do it.”
    Combined with the actions of the guilt merchants to seek to make everybody feel personally accountable for whatever in the past may by frowned upon by current propaganda, those who would control the rest of us have created a Skinnerian conditioning routine to increase their own power and wealth.
    Between the positive motivation to ‘Save the Planet’ and the negative motivation of ‘Everything we do on out own is evil,’ they are training us with carrots and sticks.
    They call themselves ‘Progressives.’

  38. Ah. The phony moral high-ground. Lifetime tactics of the Progressive left. This feeds that ‘warm-fuzzy’ they seem addicted to – enough that they never examine the consequences of their feel-good activism.

    They are not affected by starvation, disease, poverty, or squalor – they have the courage of their convictions.

  39. I have said it for years whenever someone would bring up the old “so what if we are wrong, the worst that will happen is that we have a cleaner environment” nonsense. Without a strong economy people resort to whatever they must in order to get enough money to survive. Morality no longer plays into their thought process, only survival.

    One of the first things to go when an economy begins to collapse or even decline tends to be the environment. Look at any struggling third world country and tell me which one has excellent ecological policies. Even those that know they have world treasures and try their best to protect them (such as the gorillas and large cats in Africa) simply can’t.

  40. For Earl Worrall, re last paragraph:

    “If renewables was a real business which delivered value, they could try to trade their way out of trouble – they could innovate, expand into new markets, trim costs, increase sales to restore profitability. But renewables are not a real business, they are a political fantasy, totally dependent on taxpayer handouts. So their only option when times get tough is to squeal like stuck pigs, to try to frighten politicians into maintaining the money font.”

    Let’s consider the facts.

    Every form of electricity generation in the US is subsidized, excepting natural gas. Nuclear – subsidized heavily. Hydroelectric – almost entirely built with government money. Coal – granted an almost complete exemption from Clean Air Act compliance until about one year ago. Wind power – a small production tax credit that lasts only 10 years and is only 2.3 cents per kWh produced. Solar power – an investment tax credit of 30 percent of installed cost.

    Fact two: coal resources are rapidly running out, with less than 20 years supply remaining in the US and less than 50 years supply worldwide. Germany already has exhausted their economic coal and now subsidizes every tonne produced just to keep the lights on. Coal also produces approximately 40 to 50 percent of all electricity world-wide.

    Fact three: That creates a massive crisis looming in the next few decades. In the US it is already here as coal plants are shutting down in record numbers. They shut down rather than spend money to cut their air pollution.

    Fact four: Replacing coal as power generation fuel has 4 options: nuclear, hydroelectric, natural gas, and renewables.

    Fact five: Nuclear costs far too much and cannot be built in the short time frame. Hasty construction would render them entirely unsafe to operate. Nuclear is not an option.

    Fact six: Hydroelectric requires rivers with substantial gradients, most of which already have dams on them. Hydroelectric cannot replace coal.

    Fact seven: Natural gas is a viable option, with low construction costs, short construction schedules, low air pollution, and abundant, cheap fuel.

    Fact eight: Renewables, especially wind power but solar power also in areas with adequate resources, are a viable option now that some subsidies and intense research has produced low-cost and reliable power from those. Grid-scale storage is available via low-cost batteries to time-shift the electricity as needed. Underwater hollow spheres for pumped storage hydroelectric also can be used for offshore wind power.

    One could argue that it is better to do what Germany does: subsidize coal as necessary to continue mining the deep coal that loses money with every tonne. That extends the life of coal mines only a few short years. The problem must be faced squarely, and the time is now.

    Building wind power with natural gas combined cycle plants to complement each other, and battery storage is the best option available.

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