Hypsithermal, Altithermal, Holocene Optimum, Holocene Thermal Maximum, Holocene Megathermal, Anthropogene;
Guest opinion: Dr. Tim Ball
There is frustration and reward when an article appears on the same topic of an article you are completing – in this case the Holocene. Such was the case this week with Andy May’s article “A Review of temperature reconstructions.” Andy points out the basic problems of reconstruction using proxy data for the most recent half of the Holocene – an issue central to historical climate and climate change studies. His paper did not alter my paper except as it reinforces some arguments.
This article examines the entire Holocene and illustrates the history that influenced the studies. There are two distinct parts to the studies, the pre and post Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). The former is a genuine scientific struggle with issues of terminology and reconstruction, and the latter a scientific struggle to impose a political perspective regardless of the evidence. Because of the damage done to climatology by the proponents of anthropogenic global warming (AGW), both parts require explanation.
The title of this article lists all the names given to a single geologic period. It reflects the problem of inconsistent terminology in the early days of historic climate reconstruction. The names were a result of regional studies reflecting the lack of coordination in a pre-global village world. They were attempts to improve and advance scientific knowledge and understanding, but only created confusion because of failure to agree on the start and end points and duration of the period. The concept of relative homogeneity is critical to determine if a climatic change was regional, hemispheric or global. You cannot achieve accurate analysis if the sequence of events is unknown or incorrect – a point noted in May’s article.
Even a cursory examination of the Holocene shows why the period is problematic for promoters of anthropogenic global warming (AGW). As Steve McIntyre pointed out, the problems began when skeptics noted that the temperature for most of the Holocene contradicted their claim that the latter part of the 20th century was the warmest ever. I know they never used the term ‘ever’, rather, it was left unsaid but implied in the message to the public and not contradicted when used by the media.
McIntyre wrote;
The Team has taken a preditable (sic) position on the Holocene Optimum: that it’s a regional and restricted event.
It was predictable because it was the same argument they used for the Medieval Warm Period (MWP). Prove an event was regional, and you essentially eliminate the Sun as a mechanism of change – an issue central to the AGW CO2 argument. The restriction included the claim that only summer temperatures were warmer. Even if true, it is not possible to say based on proxy records with 40 to 70-year smoothing averages applied. Interestingly, the IPCC clung to this “Team” view as recently as AR4 (2007).
The temperature evolution over the Holocene has been established for many different regions, often with centennial-resolution proxy records more sensitive to specific seasons.
Of course, this was before Climategate and the leaked emails that destroyed the Team’s credibility.
The problem of terminology impacted global reconstruction when attempts were made to synchronize glacial/interglacial events in Europe and North America. European glacial events were labelled in 1909 by Albrecht Penck (1858-1945) and Eduard Bruckner (1862-1927) from the oldest to the most recent, the Gunz, Mindel, Riss, and Wurm. In North America, led by the work of Thomas Chamberlin (1843-1928) and Frank Leverett (1859-1943) the sequence was the Nebraskan, Kansan, Illinoian, and Wisconsin. This helped define what happened within the Pleistocene but didn’t help in defining the end and beginning of the following period or synchronicity.
The term Holocene means most recent and was first suggested by Geologist Charles Lyell whose work influenced Darwin. He anticipated the modern environmental activists because he suggested it marked the human era. The problem is human history covers a few million years, and there is no evidence the Pleistocene is ended. Although Lyell’s claim was unjustified, the idea continues today as some call the Holocene The Age of Man. Regardless, there is no doubt we are in an interglacial but is it just that, and attempts to define shorter periods only part of the political game of blaming humans for all change.
The game continues with the proposal to name the most recent portion of the Holocene the Anthropocene. The definition underscores the politicization of science. However, it requires reassessment because what occurred during the period contradicts the claims for the Anthropocene defined as.
“Relating to or denoting the current geological age, viewed as the period during which human activity has been the dominant influence on climate and the environment.”
This is false if we accept the IPCC conclusion, the human influence on climate is discernible only after 1950.
Correlating Events
Another book I consider significant in the attempts to match the various records was Climate, Man, and History by Robert Claiborne published in 1970. It spoke to the contradictory dates used in different disciplines. He wanted to write a doctoral thesis on the conflicting dates and incompatibility of events used by glaciologists and anthropologists, but the idea was rejected. As a result, he quit university, the supposed bastion of innovative thought, and wrote the book. He referred to the closed mind of academia in the first sentence.
“This book will probably annoy quite a number of scientists.”
Naturally, it was immediately attacked because it questioned the prevailing wisdom and worse, crossed the boundary between science and arts. The following comment illustrates the confused reaction by obliquely acknowledging the problem but then equally obliquely questioning Claiborne.
Claiborne’s caveat in the preface to this thoroughgoing study of climate and culture is that he’s going to venture some opinions of his own, attack others’, and, in general, try to dispel the fog that has enveloped many scientific studies of man in nature. He does this somewhat modestly at the beginning, coping with the complex, often conflicting theories on the causes, conditions, and timing of the last ice ages, and then increasingly with a more idiosyncratic style and sharper tongue.
There are parallels between Claiborne’s experiences and the claims made about the weather, climate, and history today. The official story of weather and climate promulgated by governments through the IPCC and environmentalists’ state that current weather and climate are anomalous and exhibiting more extreme conditions than ever before. The message is amplified and further distorted by a complicit and duplicitous media. Recently, a UK Daily Mail headline read,
“Sizzling UK records hottest day ever.”
The story did not qualify the word “ever” by saying it was the record within the modern span of thermometer measurements. The headline is what stays with the uninformed. Put the claim in the larger perspective of the Holocene and a completely different picture emerges about the official claims. They are creating the Anthropocene to isolate it from the Holocene because it gives the lie to the entire anthropogenic global warming deception. Judith Curry provided an interesting discussion about the lack of evidence for the Anthropocene, especially its mythical threat to humanity.
Weather and climate conditions through the Anthropocene are normal; that is, they are well within the range of all previous weather and climate variations. Despite official and media claims to the contrary, there are no dramatic increases in temperature, precipitation, hurricanes, tornadoes, or any other severe weather. The climate is changing just as it always has and always will, and the rate of change is perfectly normal. Of course, that is not what the government, environmentalists, or the media promote and as a result most of the public believe. The misconception is deliberate and central to the exploitation of global warming and climate change as the vehicle for a political agenda.
What The Public Need To Know
The following is not new to skeptics but identifies issues the public need to know to understand the AGW deception. Figure 1 shows one reconstruction of the temperature of the Northern Hemisphere derived from Greenland ice cores. It provides a brief context to show the wider natural range of temperature over the last 10,000 years. It shows the meaningless identification of the Anthropocene identified by the small red bar.
Figure 1
The accuracy of the climate record is critical for determining underlying mechanisms. It is critical if you want to identify specific periods but is still difficult because of determining points of starting and ending. Figure 1 appears to show a clear start of the Holocene with a dramatic warming around 10,500 years ago, but many place the onset at 11,700 years ago. Figure 2 shows why it is not clear cut. Is the Younger Dryas part of the Holocene? Is the extent of a geologic period determined by the major causative mechanism or some arbitrary temperature threshold? Search for an explanation of the Younger Dryas generated many speculative papers. There is an entire journal The Holocene devoted to the period.
Figure 2
The Younger Dryas is the focus of intense research, but also great speculation about the causative mechanism.
Other important points from Figures 1, 2 and 3 expose the lies and distortions about the last 120 years being anomalous include,
- Current temperatures are proclaimed as the warmest on record. In fact, the world was warmer than today for 97 percent of the last 10,000 years.
- The Medieval Warm Period (MWP) just 1000 years ago was 2°C warmer than today. The public is told that a similar warming will be catastrophic.
- The Minoan warm period approximately 3500 years ago was 4°C warmer than today.
- We are told the amount and rate of temperature increase in the last 100 years is abnormal. Compare the slope with any of the previous increases in Figure 2.
Figure 3.
· Figure 3 shows the CO2 trend over the Holocene. CO2 rose as temperature declined over the last 8000 years.
The Holocene is also problematic for AGW proponents because the major causative mechanism appears to be the changing precession, one of the Milankovitch Effect (ME) trilogy along with orbital eccentricity and axial tilt. A recent article at WUWT cites from Bender’s book Paleoclimate
“The orientation of Earth’s spin axis has changed over the past 10 Kyr so that northern summers now occur when Earth is farthest from the sun, whereas at 10 Ka [10,000 BP] they occurred when Earth was closest to the sun. Northern summertime insolation reached a maximum at about 10 Ka and has declined to the present, when it is near the minimum.”
The IPCC AR4 Physical Science Basis FAQ section provides the only reference to the ME. This includes the remarkable observation that
These examples illustrate that different climate changes in the past had different causes. The fact that natural factors caused climate changes in the past does not mean that the current climate change is natural.
True, but it was the same IPCC report that said natural changes became insignificant after 1950. They ‘proved’ this by eliminating most natural changes from their reports and their computer models. The IPCC is only comfortable discussing ME on time scales greater than the Holocene. AR5 says,
There is high confidence that orbital forcing is the primary external driver of glacial cycles (Kawamura et al,. 2007; Cheng et al., 2009; Lisiecki, 2010; Huybers, 2011).
But they couldn’t leave that comment unqualified, so they added,
However, atmospheric CO2 content plays an important internal feedback role.
There is no reference to the ME in the AR5 FAQ section or the Glossary of AR4 or AR5. This supports the information that it is not included in the IPCC computer models. The justification for exclusion is the time scale, but even in the 120 years of the Anthropocene, the impact is at least marginally significant relative to CO2 changes. The bigger problem is the inability to validate the models by recreating previous conditions without including the ME.
The Holocene is an interesting warm period that many believe marks the end of the last ice advance of the Pleistocene. It fascinated early scientific attempts to understand the events and mechanisms in the early days of climate reconstructions, which were complicated by a lack of standardized terminologies and central collections of data. For example, I recall long discussions about the need for centralized data banks on tree rings. The Holocene became ignored or distorted after the advent of AGW and the IPCC because the evidence of its existence contradicted most of their claims.
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the CO2 temperature relationship
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we know that ice ages end when CO2 is at its lowest, and ice ages start when CO2 is at its highest. This is a simple fact of observation.
So if there is a cause and effect relationship between CO2 and temperature, what can be shown conclusively from the ice age records is that over time low CO2 causes the earth to warm, and high CO2 causes the earth to cool.
This is a simple fact of observation, without any theory to provide cause. Thus we are dealing with a Scientific Law. The Law of CO2 and Ice Ages. Low CO2 causes Ice Ages to End. High CO2 causes Ice Ages to begin. The evidence is overwhelming.
sorry ferdberple
you got that the wrong way around
there are giga tons and giga tons of carbonates dissolved in the sea water. In fact, the CO2 in the air is only a very, very small fraction of the carbonate in the sea waters.
Anyone who knows a little of chemistry would have learned that the first smoke from a kettle that you started heating, is the CO2 escaping from the water:
CO3 (2-) + H2O + heat => CO2 (g) + 2OH(1-)
Hence, warming sea water causes more CO2 in the air, [even if there were no people putting up more CO2 in the air]
When we start cooling the atmosphere, the opposite happens:
2CO2 (g) + 6H2O + cooling => 2CO3 (2-) + 4H3O (1+)
Hence, the cold causes the CO2 to be dissolved up in the water of the oceans.
So, the relationship between warming and cooling is down to the fact that the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere follows warming ( going up) and cooling (going down)
Important to remember is that this is a negative relationship
you can compare it with saying:
smoking causes cancer but cancer does not cause smoking.
IOW nobody has proved that CO2 causes warming or cooling.
{Arrhenius and Tyndall were restricted in looking at the closed box experiments. Nobody had told them that CO2 also has absorptions in the solar spectrum [causing deflection – this is how we identify CO2 now on other planets…..]
” that over time low CO2 causes the earth to warm, and high CO2 causes the earth to cool.”
I disagree with that. Its temperature that controls co2. That’s in the record for the last 50 years. Comparing the total accumulation of co2 over that time period only proves it is warmer not that co2 caused it. The yearly ppm increase tracks temperature increases and decreases. And over time as temperature stepped down so did the ppm and up. From 1987 to 1992 the temperature decreased per year along with ppm decreasing increase. This wasn’t a one off event. In fact it follows the solar cycle. Even though there was an increase in co2 for 1992 it is dwarfed by the amount in 1987. The total missing in that time frame is around 42 BMT, if co2 production had remained constant, which it wasn’t, it was increasing. For 1992, around 24 BMT just went poof, it was almost more co2 that we produced.
However, temperature is not the only factor in co2 levels. Solar activity and cosmic rays also influence levels.
It is only a matter of time before everybody sees this. If I can ever get the chart up showing this relationship between temp and co2 increases and decreases per year while anthro co2 production kept going up you will clearly see that temperature controls co2.
No–you’ve got it backwards. CO2 ALWAYS lags warming so it cannot be the cause of warming. The same is relationship is true for cooling–CO2 ALWAYS lags cooling so cannot be the cause of it.
Wrong.
It leads temperature in the case of anthropic CO2 increase.
It follows in the natural carbon cycle case.
Because CO2 is a GHG.
The record of the last 50 years disagrees with you toneb. A graph you will never see from NOAA is the temperature anomaly for the year and ppm for that year. The information is very difficult to find… and the temperature anomalies from last year to this year has changed on the NOAA website. It is very obvious that temperature controls co2 in the face of ever increasing amounts of anthropogenic co2 being produced.
I am completely convinced that temperature controls co2. You will be too one day because it is true. ( there are other factors as well)
Don Easterbrook on August 1, 2016 at 6:38 am
Your graph uses badly corrupted data (e.g., not that the global cooling from 1945 to 1977 has been erased and the warmest decade of the century (the 1930s) doesn’t even show!).
You pretend the surface temperature records be ” badly corrupted”. Isn’t that a bit simple to guess and pretend things without having to prove them being correct?
Here are some hints which might help you in understanding where you are simply wrong.
Let me choose, as the surface record example, the one which is subject to most skeptic attacks: NASA GISSTEMP.
1. The very first point is to exactly know where the cooling took place during the 20eth century, instead of pretending “it has been erased”.
Within the GISS record, the period you indicated (1945-1977) has never been the right one; the correct interval is: 1940-1975, which I use since years when showing it for GISS data by using Paul Clark’s WFT:
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160802/6ls5egws.png
You immediately see that from the GISS record, the period 1945-1977 indeed shows no cooling. Trends calculated by ordinary least squares do not always show what you expect them to do.
2. The next point is to have in mind that GISS is based on the combination of two components:
– the GHCN network (land surfaces);
– the ERSST4 dataset (sea surfaces).
The GHCN record is available in an unadjusted version with absolute temperatures, out of which – having the necessary knowledge how to do – you can build averages of any part of it (a country, latitude stripes, etc etc).
So the first thing to do is to compare the three:
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160802/s93l8luq.jpg
You immediately see that persons pretending GISS to “cool the past” in order to make the present warmer are really ridiculous.
Both versions (land only i.e. GHCN, land+ocean i.e. GHCN + ERSST4) show for the past much more cooling than the original, unadjusted data, what leads to a much lower trend for the whole period 1880-2016: 0.684 °C / decade fir GISS land+ocean.
By the way you can measure the huge homogenization work needed to transform GHCN’s raw, instable stuff into the smooth GISS data!
3. The idea that the 1930-1940 decade would be the hottest of the last century probably will never get off skeptics’ heads. But it wasn’t. Even 1934, magnified by skeptics as “the hottest year evah”, is at position 49 in the world’s hottest year ranking list.
Thus nobody should wonder that even in the GHCN record’s ranking list, none of your Golden Thirties appear:
3.1 World yearly sort out of the GHCN (!) dataset
1998 15.87
2015 15.70
1991 15.62
2012 15.58
1999 15.53
1990 15.28
1994 15.26
1995 15.23
2000 15.10
2010 15.09
But if now you restrict the GHCN output to those record units produced by the 1900+ US stations, you obtain a completely different list!
3.2 USA yearly sort
2012 14.13
1998 14.01
1921 13.80
1880 13.76
1934 13.74
1931 13.73
1890 13.72
1889 13.68
1881 13.66
2006 13.66
The difference becomes even stronger when you compare the monthly ranking lists for the Globe and for the USA:
3.3 World monthly sort
2006 7 22.94
2012 7 22.90
2002 7 22.87
1901 7 22.80
2010 7 22.68
2005 7 22.59
2011 7 22.56
1998 7 22.53
1999 7 22.51
1995 8 22.42
3.4 USA monthly sort
1901 7 25.46
1936 7 25.07
2012 7 25.03
1934 7 24.86
2006 7 24.68
2011 7 24.64
1931 7 24.45
2002 7 24.45
1980 7 24.38
1935 7 24.30
Data source for the unadjusted GHCN record:
http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghcn/v3/ghcnm.tavg.latest.qcu.tar.gz
Bindidon wrote: “Within the GISS record, the period you indicated (1945-1977) has never been the right one; the correct interval is: 1940-1975, which I use since years when showing it for GISS data by using Paul Clark’s WFT:
You immediately see that from the GISS record, the period 1945-1977 indeed shows no cooling.”
Before “The Manipulation”, graphs *did* show cooling from 1940 to 1975, like this NCAR graph and Hansen’s graph.
And then you can see how NASA manipulated the charts to promote their CAGW narrative by making things look cooler in the past and making the chart look like the temperature is steadily increasing from then.
http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/AnimationImage427.png
TA, you always produce the same boring blah blah.
1. Where is your strange graph from? Show us is its real, unmanipulated data source!
I can show you all data my graph is originated from, namely:
– GHCN: http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghcn/v3/ghcnm.tavg.latest.qca.tar.gz
– GISS land only: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts.txt
– GISS land+ocean: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt
2. Look at the chart comparing the original, unadjusted GHCN record with
– GISS land only
– GISS land+ocean.
You clearly see that “The Manipulation” is in your own imagination: both GISS records are far above the original GHCN data.
So to pretend that GISS cools the past to warm the present is bare nonsense, and you know that.
@Bindidon
how exactly do you figure we can trust data from before 1950, when it was only after around that time that mankind realized that thermometers must re-calibrated at regular intervals? [earliest re-calibration certificate I could find was dated 1948.]
Also, from the 70s we started recording with a computer with thermo couples rather than relying on human labour to read the thermometers. How can you reconcile the difference in this type of recording with the methods used before the 70s? especially with reference to determining a mean for the day….
hence, it would be better for you to ignore all means data from before 1970 AD and take it from there.
HenryP on August 6, 2016 at 1:43 pm
… hence, it would be better for you to ignore all means data from before 1970 AD and take it from there.
Thus if I well understand, all people working partly since decades at
– NASA GISSTEMP
– NOAA
– Met Office
– CRU East Anglia
– Tokio Climate Center
– Berkeley Earth
– etc etc etc
all are ignorants doing useless work.
You seem to suffer under a tremendous lack of humility.
Moreover, HenryP, it is by far too simple to express such trivial doubt behind a comfortable nickname on a web site.
The right way would be to falsify the work of all these people by a publication accurately proving that your doubt is correct: in a world-wide acknowledged journal, and above all under your real name.
Bindidon says:
all are ignorants doing useless work
Henry says
well, eeeh, yes, true, they are; science is not like we can have an election about it. you only need one man to get it right.
What bothers me is that you then go on attacking me, ad hominem, as if the problem that I am highlighting is not a problem at all, like an ostrich putting his head in the sand…
I never saw anyone addressing the problem of the non existent re-calibration of thermometers in the past and I can think for myself that there is a big difference between having a thermo couple linked to a computer taking a measurement once every second [printing an average for the day + max. and min.] and having somebody to have to take a reading 4 x a day. When I go back in the past with data taken here in southern Africa, I see a lot of missing data during the holiday periods…
To eliminate a lot of error, I recommend not looking at the data before 1970s and to rather look at the change in the rate of warming, in K/annum/annum, which gives you the acceleration/deceleration of warming and cooling.
I can supply similar graphs for maxima and means, the latter with a lower correlation coefficient, of ca. 0.88. The sample of stations you take must be balanced on latitude and 30/70 inland /@sea. Longitude does not matter as long as we look at the change in K/annum versus time. Do you know why?All my graphs show that earth has already started cooling.
Remember my name: Henry Pool.
I will gladly submit/publish my results if it does not cost me anything but it would be better if someone [like you?] were to check my results.
Let me know and I will help you [get the same result as I did from a different sample of weather stations]
A few closing remarks to these stats
1. The ranking position I gave for 1934 (49th) I obtained years ago out of a french research site. But in my GHCN output, I saw yesterday evening that 1934 in fact is at position 61.
2. Within USA’s yearly sort, we see (at positions 4, 7, 8, 9) four years of the period 1880-1890: 1880, 1890, 1889 and 1881. Maybe it is interesting to note that in GHCN’s world yearly sort, these four USA top ten years appear at positions 105, 116, 120 and 121 of 136.
{-> .mod} Ooops?!
I sent a comment a few hours ago; but neither the comment nor a [.mod] reason for it to be refused appeared. A bit unusual, n’est-ce pas…
Thx.
B.
must admit that this is the elephant in the room
it seems to me we are extremely “lucky’ to be in this extended warm period in climatic history
what is causing it, if not the CO2 [of which I am sure]
I am sure it was a change in the solar system that has caused this delay
[as I have proved a link between the position of the planets and Gleissberg]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worlds_in_Collision
the day when “the sun stood still” must have been a spectacle of cosmic proposrtions
Leaving aside Milankovitch for the moment, has anyone considered other possible causes of cyclical ice ages?
One that I quite like is that there are multiple long period dust clouds orbiting the Sun. When present in the inner solar system these dust clouds cause cooling, and when absent they result in warming. The pattern of ice ages over the past few million years would then be explicable in principle by reference to multiple clouds, with different periods, acting additively.
The end of the Cretaceous era some 50 million years ago, possibly caused by the Chicxulub impactor, might have been part of a far larger bombardment of the solar system by multiple large comets, the disintegration of which created gradually lengthening dust clouds which caused the subsequent steady cooling of the Earth’s climate over the next 50 million years, to the point where the Earth is mostly in an ice age now.
There would also be periodic gaps in the dust clouds, and these could be used to explain the current Holocene interglacial.
I got no response from that idea. Along with the sun burps ultra cold gasses from time to time, which has been demonstrated in nuclear reactors. That could explain how a wooly mastodon would freeze solid while eating.
The dust cloud idea is not that far fetched. In religious texts, the earth was once described as never being dark. A dust field behind the earth in a geosynchronous orbit would reflect the light to the brightness of dawn. As can be seen in paintings. Its been dicussed even before this era.
And when ideas were being floated as to how to cool the earth from CAGW… I was in a state of panic …. creating a dust field by exploding plastic into thousands of pieces. If they are wrong, how do they get those pieces down ? The earth goes into a natural cooling cycle compounded by a man made dust cloud. Great idea to extinguish life as we know it. Which I suppose that is the intent of some greens from the statements they’ve made. Of course, it might kill all the other life forms they champion.
It’d be really interesting to see if the temperature on Mars or Venus has matched or varied over time like earth’s. Or heck, a core sample from the moon. There would have to be variations in the dust just from solar cycles.
rishrac says
It’d be really interesting to see if the temperature on Mars or Venus has matched or varied over time like earth’s.
henry says
it doesn’t work like that
the sun is currently at its brightest/ hottest
and our atmosphere protects us by forming more ozone, peroxides and N-oxides TOA.
on their turn these substances back radiate more UV to space…
hence the paradox is that whilst the sun is hotting up, earth is cooling down….
[for as long as the sun stays in the “quiet” condition]
…..the wonderful things of nature that keeps us alive….
Not exactly of course. What I’m looking for is changes in cosmic rays specifically. And yes, there will be delays and differences, but similarities as well. And what changed. I’m curious to know whether it’s TSI levels that change or cosmic rays.
I am totally convinced that temperatures control co2, even in this Era of anthropogenic co2 production.
@rishrac
I explained this recently
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/08/03/ipcc-has-at-least-doubled-true-climate-sensitivity-a-demonstration/#comment-2272485
Not arguing with you. I’m just trying to prove your argument via the record. The problem I’m having is that NOAA changes the numbers. I write up a paper and its wrong when I go back and look at the published data. Did the instrumentation fail in 2014 when the published temp at 0.69 suddenly became 0.71 C . 2013 went from 0.63 to 0.75 C. Whether I’m right or wrong, I can’t prove anything. What do you think that does to my argument that temp varies per year, co2 ppm per year varies up and down with it and production continues up? They found it necessary to adjust ALL of the numbers. They’ve changed the numbers again in less than a year. They also move the dates around for increases in co2 so that they differ from publication to publication. When it was obvious that temps had leveled off, they changed the dates to try to increase the yearly temps. They went from January to January to June to June.
I can think of a lot of reasons for them to be doing this.
” So what I am asking is: how do you know for certain that net effect of these two gases is that of warming, rather than cooling?”
I thought that was a great question. I also found it rather strange that there are no negative co2 numbers in the recent record. That the system was so perfectly balanced that the minute amount anthro co2 produced in 1881 showed up at all compared to today .
My original data come from http://www.tutiempo.net
I specifically used the data from this website as I distrust the various Anglo Saxon websites, like BOM, NOAA, Best, etc.
You can type in the city that you are interested in and search the website.
As an example take the case of George, South Africa. the link to the original data is here:
http://www.tutiempo.net/clima/George_Airport/688280.htm
It gives the average yearly mean, max. and min. temps, in that order, as per the first three columns.
I copied that data to my Excel sheet, as attached.
For the years with missing data (red), you have to go to the individual months and look at every month’s average. Click on the relevant (blue) year and chose the month.
(for the results: see far below in the attached file, 1983, 2002 and 2005)
[For months with less than 15 days data I applied the rule that I would rather take the average of [same] month of the preceding year and the following year, thereby adhering to Rule no. 1]
Now you can do the least square linear regressions from at least 4 points. The overall result for George is an average decline of -0.0131K per annum since 1978, that is -0.5 degrees C, in total, since 1978, as shown (the value before the x)
By selecting different periods of data [in the graph] you can get the various inclines/declines from more recent times {i.e. the values before the x}, getting at least for 4 points for the speed of warming/cooling.
George is just one single result in my files.
I suppose that in the area that you live you could chose a number of stations in your neighborhood, like I did here:
if you do it right, you should also get a good quadratic, like me, as it seems to me that every place on earth is on its own curve, depending on its composition TOA.
toneb says
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/07/31/a-warm-period-by-any-other-name-the-climatic-optimum/comment-page-1/#comment-2271473
henry says
wrong.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/07/31/a-warm-period-by-any-other-name-the-climatic-optimum/comment-page-1/#comment-2270152