Op-ed says hurricane drought will end at some point, and man-made climate change is to blame either way.
Guest opinion by Steven Capozzola
The New York Times ran an op-ed today by Adam Sobel, an “atmospheric scientist at Columbia.” The gist of Sobel’s article: Since 2005, the United States has been experiencing a hurricane “drought” (I.e. no major hurricane has made landfall in the time. We are currently at 3918 days, over a decade.) But don’t worry, Sobel says, there will be more hurricanes soon, and the fact that they will be coming is proof of man-made climate change.
Yes, that’s what he’s saying.
The question is whether Sobel is writing the op-ed to buck himself up, and the rest of the alarmist crowd. After all, the computer models that have predicted warming have also predicted more hurricanes. But real-life observations continue to diverge from what computer models have predicted.
It’s somewhat baffling that the New York Times would publish such an essentially meaningless opinion. But the mainstream media has long since thrown in its lot with the alarmist crowd.
Regardless, there are problems with Sobel’s op-ed…
Sobel says that “significant global warming, over a degree and a half Fahrenheit, has already occurred since preindustrial days.” That’s accurate. The earth has warmed by roughly 0.8 degrees Celsius since the late 1800s. But whether one views it as “significant” depends on context. Given the accumulating evidence of global climate changes over the past few thousand years, such a net increase over a span of roughly 130 years seems relatively mild—and typical of the climate variations seen during the latter part of the current interglacial epoch.
There’s also the greater issue of cause. Sobel naturally assumes that this increase in temperatures is driven entirely by increased emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2.) But many climate skeptics would argue that this mild uptick is the result of a large-scale increase in solar output over the past 130 years. (While solar irradiance has increased in that time, it is the accompanying variations in solar wind and solar magnetic field that contribute significantly to changes in global climate, thanks to their influence on atmospheric ionization and cloud formation.)
Putting aside the issue of cause, however, it’s important to note that Sobel is basing his views on what he predicts will happen. Essentially, he is saying “The computer models tell us…” And that’s the crux of his argument, and his problem.
Since the start of the 21st Century, the computer models predicting large-scale anthropogenic warming have diverged further and further from actual, observed temperature measurements. Despite this, Sobel and company continue to insist on the validity of their argument. The problem for them is that they can’t explain why their predictions aren’t matching the net flatlining of temperatures seen since 2000.
Ironically, solar advocates can offer a valid hypothesis— since solar activity is now falling off—with a consequent leveling off of temperatures. Equally significant is that atmospheric CO2 has reached 400 parts per million (0.04%), and is essentially “saturated.” Thus, its greenhouse potential is maxed out, making additional heat-trapping less likely.
It’s interesting to note that Sobel couches his statements with a series of disclaimers. Of hurricanes and climate, he says the “knowledge is far from perfect.” And he cites the argument of his own opponents in order to make a safe caveat or two—he blames “natural variability” for the current hurricane drought.
Overall, Sobel explains that studies of weather are uncertain: “While there is debate about the drought’s significance, there is little doubt that its primary cause is dumb luck, and that won’t continue forever…The best science doesn’t, in fact, predict that the future will hold more hurricanes; most of our best models predict there may be fewer. But these predictions of changes in the number of hurricanes are quite uncertain…”
Again, it’s somewhat laughable that the New York Times would publish an opinion that basically says ‘We haven’t seen any major hurricanes for 11 years, we don’t really know why that is, climate science is uncertain, our predictive computer models can only tell us so much, but we’re certain to see more hurricanes soon, and man-made CO2 emissions are the cause.’
But this is the face of contemporary climate alarmism. This is the crowd of environmental elites who willfully disparage anyone who questions the theory of man-made warming, who aim to silence dissent and debate on the issue, and who advocate for massive reductions in fossil fuel use that will hurt millions of low-income Americans, and likely forfeit the lives of millions in the Third World. All this certitude on their part for an agenda based on question mark after question mark…
Sobel and his ilk should stop basing their predictions on failed computer models and start looking at the real world consequences of their imperfect science.
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“Sobel says that “significant global warming, over a degree and a half Fahrenheit, has already occurred since preindustrial days.” That’s accurate.”
Except it’s not accurate.
The scientists at UEA/UKMet, GISS and everywhere else thoroughly ignore systematic sensor measurement error.
When that is included, surface air temperature is not known to better than 1-sigma = (+/-)0.5 C. At 95% confidence, that makes the change 0.8(+/-)1 C. There’s the accuracy in consensus climate science for you.
Thanks Pat. It cannot be said enough how unreliable the global temperature measurement is.
The left is uninterested in reliability. They are too certain to be bothered with accuracy.
You’re right, Steve. Never has there ever been a field so thoroughly and willfully negligent as consensus climate science.
It’s not a question of accuracy, it’s a question of intensive properties. You can’t average them together and obtain a physically meaningful result.
“prediction of stronger future hurricanes is not contradicted by the data thus far”
No idea of this man’s scientific qualifications (although the evidence is there that they are actually not as high as he believes they are), but I hope he failed English and logic.
So…something that will happen in the future (prediction) has not been contradicted by what has happened in the past (data).
Well….yeah. My prediction of the winner of the 2019 Kentucky Derby has not been contradicted. I’m a genius. Where is my grant?
A prediction of stronger future hurricanes can never be contradicted, but, given the lack of hurricane records from the past, there’s a good chance there will be a new record some day.
I predict we will never know if there were stronger hurricanes in the past than there will be in the future.
Climate Science + a Delorean = “We can predict anything we want to further “The Cause”. The sheep won’t remember what we got wrong anyway.”
+100
Call this what it is — a ploy being used by the anti-capitalists, not science per se. Christiana Figueres executive secretary of the U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) has admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism. (http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/021015-738779-climate-change-scare-tool-to-destroy-capitalism.htm?src=AURLDLQ) BTW Figueres is running to head up the U.N. at the moment.
I just broke wind a few minutes ago – does that make me an ‘atmospheric scientist’?
Roger
Maybe – but it also makes you a significant source of atmospheric climate forcing. The methane warms the climate while the particulates cool it. The dissipative tension between the two could set off nonlinear instabilities which could tip us over into the next ice age.
Only if a butterfly was in the path of the blast.
There was a line in ‘Don’t mess with the Zohan’, when Adam Sandler asks his father if the war will ever end.
“Well, they’ve been fighting for 2000 years. Can’t be much longer now.”
Trend lines are appropriate only when the x-axis is time. Here the x-axis is a count — it’s a standard bar chart. Any standard bar chart with a trend line is a self-parody, any article which features it is a joke, and demeans the hosting site. I’ve commented this before — this bar-chart-with-trend-line keep resurrecting — and this is the last time. I’m disgusted.
The term “pre-industrial” implies climate stasis being the historic norm.
This assumption is so vacuously, imbecilically stupid that it is hard to conclude that anyone entertaining such thoughts can in reality be a member of a species that transitioned from an old world ape to a consciously sentient hominin.
New York Times 23 Jan 2016 had an article entitled- A Lake in Bolivia Evaporates, and With It a Way of Life
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/world/americas/a-lake-in-bolivia-evaporates-and-with-it-a-way-of-life.html?_r=0
This article was updated and on 8 July 2016 the New York Times published another article- “Climate Change Claims a Lake,
and a Way of Life” http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/07/07/world/americas/bolivia-climate-change-lake-poopo.html?_r=0
“The water receded and the fish died. The stench drifted in the air for weeks. Then “the people of the lake” started to leave.
By NICHOLAS CASEY
Photographs and video by JOSH HANER”
This story was also published in the Guardian- Bolivia’s second-largest lake dries up and may be gone forever, lost to climate change – Friday 22 January 2016 13.10 AEDT
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/22/bolivias-second-largest-lake-dries-up-and-may-be-gone-forever-lost-to-climate-change
The Guardian has many comments attached to the article which picked up that the lake had dried up many times before and that a lot of water had been diverted for mining and agriculture.
There is a scientific study on the lake- http://www.lakescientist.com/lake-poopo-dries-up/
which confirms this and notes that there is a dam upstream which restricts water supply to the wet season. The collapse of the Tiwanaku civilization (c. AD 1100) has been attributed to an extended dry period (Binford et al.,
1997). http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1623/hysj.51.1.98
Would anybody have the interest, skills and time to pull all this together please? I can help.
5 most powerful hurricanes at landfall in U.S. history
1969, Camille, CAT 5 (190 mph)
1992, Andrew, CAT 5 (167 mph)
1935, “Labor Day”, CAT 5 (161 mph)
1886, Indianola, CAT 4 (155 mph)
2004, Charley, CAT 4 (150)
5 deadliest hurricanes in U.S. history, category at landfall
1900, Galveston, CAT 4
1928, Okeechobee, CAT 4
2005, Katrina, CAT 3
1893, Louisiana, CAT 4
1893, S Carolina/Georgia, CAT 3
5 costliest hurricanes/tropical storms in U.S. history, category at landfall
2005, Katrina, CAT 3
2012, Sandy, Tropical Storm
2008, Ike, CAT 2
1992, Andrew, CAT 5
2005, Wilma, CAT 3
http://geology.com/hurricanes/largest-hurricane/
Costliest is a useless metric in the context of “climate change”.
ie. Katrina. Develop a city into a major city at a location that is below sea level on a river delta on the Gulf of Mexico. Keep it from flooding by trying to use levies to contain one the world’s largest rivers. (Throw in some political corruption when it comes to maintaining the levies.) Add a hurricane. Costly.
Deadliest. Two major contributors. Factors for Katrina are mentioned above.
For the rest, poor forecasting (compared to today). No satellites back then. Poor communication systems. Probably no evacuation plans. They add up to little or no warning or time to prepare.
Powerful. How do we currently measure how powerful a hurricane is? How long have those instruments existed? Not as long as the US has existed. Lot’s of events before the US had a history and before there was a means to measure those events.
I opined above that we will never know if there were stronger hurricanes in the past than there will be in the future. I agree that Sobel’s is “an essentially meaningless opinion.”
Come to think of it they also did not know about the Loop Current bringing warm water that way and the delta trapping the products of a clockwise circulation. Come to think of it some nowadays don’t know that either.
oops, dyslexic anti-clockwise
“We know that significant global warming, over a degree and a half Fahrenheit, has already occurred since preindustrial days …”.
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That statement no doubt is intended to be portentous.
But even given the false precision of the alleged thermometer record and inherent in proxy reconstructions which have a coarser, usually much coarser, resolution, that statement is unremarkable.
http://www.lwhancock.com/images/Ljugzvist2010.gif
MBH99 must still be lurking deep somewhere in the writer’s mind.
“…there is little doubt that its primary cause is dumb luck…”
There is little doubt that the primary cause of the op-ed was just plain dumb.
I’m a game logic kinda guy, bridge to basketball, and am used to operating/thinking within an environment where opponents are setting up and “selling” deceptions, constantly, knowing that you know they are . . And one potential I have been noticing/keeping an eye on for quite some time now, which is relevant I feel to the subject matter at hand, is weather manipulation.
If we have actual opponents in this climate “game”, and are not just seeing misunderstandings and well intentioned would-be scientifical saviors clumsily trying to save us, then the very fact that weather modification is not openly discussed, becomes strategically significant, to me. That “silence” tells me we are being set up . . (if we have actual opponents…)
If relatively few but extraordinarily intense hurricanes are the “projected” threat, then why are we not hearing from the Navy, for instance, since several years ago some top brass were talking about “owning the weather” by 2025?
Consider please;
Abstract
A NAVY chemist has proved that carbon black can make or break a cloud. She is Florence W. van Straten, now working with the Navy Weather Service.
What van Straten’s discovery means in terms of scientific weather control is now being measured by Naval Research Laboratory. But she has already demonstrated that carbon black, absorbing heat from the sun, can change atmospheric conditions enough to create clouds or to break them up quickly.
For some time, van Straten believed she could modify clouds by influencing temperatures in parts of the atmosphere. In this manner, she says, cloud masses that exist could be dissipated, and, under some conditions, cloud masses could be created. She reasoned further that carbon black would be the ideal material to induce the temperature variations because of its ability to absorb heat.
Chem. Eng. News, 1958, 36 (40), pp 67–68
DOI: 10.1021/cen-v036n040.p067
Publication Date: October 06, 1958
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/cen-v036n040.p067
If you want me to believe that nothing more has come of this since 1958, with talk of owning the weather in less than a decade, from an agency with the kind of interest, and funds available to it all that time . . you’re flying into a mighty strong headwind, bub ; )
I suggest (for the severalith time ; ) that WUWT begin to wonder about this.
‘Hurricanes from Above’
“Joanne Simpson predicted in the 1960s that seeding a cloud would cause it to double in height. She bootlegged aircraft time during Project Stormfury, a weather modification experiment started in 1961 by her future husband, Bob Simpson. She flew above clouds and ejected flares that ignited and created silver iodide smoke. The clouds behaved just as her computer model predicted.”
http://www.livescience.com/9381-schemes-control-weather-clouded-failure.html
With the SJW in chief declaring “climate change” our No. 1 National Security threat, it just seems like the potential capability to modify monster himmicanes would be getting some serious attention and funding . . I mean, what with a couple of women on shoestring budgets demonstrating such ability to modify clouds with now ancient technologies . . over half a century ago . .
What does the author mean by “atmospheric CO2 has reached 400 parts per million (0.04%), and is essentially “saturated.” Thus, its greenhouse potential is maxed out.” ??
The atmospheric CO2 content does not saturate.
Further, the greenhouse effect does not depend so much on how many times a CO2 molecule absorbs and emits an IR photon. Rather it depends on the emission height, which is the altitude the last upward IR emission can escape to space without absorption. The higher the emission height, the colder the atmosphere and the slower is the rate of IR emission. As the emission rate slows, the lower atmosphere must warm to increase the IR escape rate.
That is how warming occurs.
Absolutely correct.
Beer-Lambert law has a parameter for path-length.
Not really. Since there is no meaningful global temperature, it’s spurious to say it means anything. Some places have warmed, some have cooled, some have remained relatively constant. Averaging all those different places is nonsense.
I don’t know if it would be nonsense if we had a truly global and fit for purpose ( i.e. accurate to 0.01 degrees say) instrumentation system but the fact is we don’t have such a system. The sattellites and balloons are about the best we have and the argo buoys probably Ok except for coverage. The land thermometers are a joke as a complete set and so we don’t really have such a system, leaving aside the fiddling with the data by the usual suspects, the result of which is that Jeff is right, its nonsense.
M. Seward, it’s nonsense because you can’t measure temperature in one place, and temperature in another place, average them together, and obtain anything physically meaningful. Sure, you’ll have an average number, but it’s meaningless.
“But don’t worry, Sobel says, there will be more hurricanes soon, and the fact that they will be coming is proof of man-made climate change.
So a prediction that hasn’t even happened yet is “proof” of climate change? Does Sobel realize how ridiculous that is? It’s akin to saying, “The end of the world is nigh, and the fact that it is coming is proof that the Bible is true. Until it actually happens, it’s not proof of anything.
I should interject here that the New York Times, despite its recent descent into Goebbelsesque pseudo-llberal propaganda and Lysenkoist science, is still highly regarded by many. My budgie prefers it over both the LA Times and the WaPoo.
Right. We’re doomed again.
But I would like to think that those who write “advocate for” are more doomed than the rest of us.
It’s not accurate. It may be accurate for the Northern Hemisphere. The
Northern Hemisphere is not “The Globe.”
The Southern Hemisphere has warmed by about 0.28C, not 0.7C.
(De Freitas et al).
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If there were ever anything controlled by Nature…its Atlantic Basin Hurricane variability.
If they ever got anything right about climate,now that would be news.
Sooner or later, cyclical phenomena will oscillate and it will be your fault. Hoping to catch the next wave?
Come get your copy of THE New York Times. “Tomorrows Headlines Today!”
(The Gray-Area Lady)
Please try to add links when you post an article like this on WUWT. Here’s the link to this article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/15/opinion/where-are-the-hurricanes.html?_r=0\
And here are some of the highlights, all quoted directly, with my comments:
A BOLD prediction, but not a fact.
LOTS of things are not contradicted by the data.
Waffling, not a good sign.
Convection-Schmonvection. If it’s all due to CO2, how can the ocean possibly disobey?
Little doubt? THE CAUSE IS DUMB LUCK! Well, that settles it, then. Now maybe 100% of Climate Scientologists can finally agree. I think I’ve heard enough from this… this, sorry, I have to say it… ass clown.
He’s whistling past the graveyard of AGW failed predictions. All the AGW predictions are six feet under.
At least his anticipation that the so called “hurricane drought” come to an end soon is defensable. It has to end sooner or later. Conditions along Hurricane alley are turning conducive to storm formation. Temps rising and pressures declining and African dust declining also. With warmer than usual water temps hanging off the east coast and in the Gulf it seems the odds are against of our record breaking hiatus from major hurricanes striking the lower 48 continuing this year. Thus this worthless piece of propaganda that ignores the failure of the models and hypes man caused climate change as the cause if any hurricane that may strike. The NYT is so bad these days it isn’t even fit to be used as bird cage liner. These days the “Gray lady” is suffering from advanced stages of Alzheimers and only serves as the Newspaper of record of Government and media delusion and not perceptive or predictive reality.