I get hate mail like this from time to time and I’m pretty certain I know who this one is from to Dr. Roy Spencer as it fits the speech and punctuation pattern of some emails I have received. This one is completely unhinged, but it is worth reviewing just so you can see how a true global warming zealot behaves. It’s the sort of ugly and hateful thinking that gets promoted daily by people like Miriam O’Brien aka “Sou” and the “Hotwhopper” madding crowd whose website exists solely for the purpose of denigration.
I’m with Dr. Spencer and the Washington Post on this. The “climate emergency” promoted by Paul Beckwith is “utter nonsense”, and is the worst “science” of the year
More on the Global Climate Emergency: Email from a “Fan”
July 1st, 2016 by Roy W. Spencer, Ph. D.
I get some hate email from time to time. Actually, not very much. I guess I’m still cruising under the radar.
In response to my post yesterday criticizing Paul Beckwith’s postabout the allegedly unprecedented crossing of the equator by jet stream winds (a post which, after much criticism, he has since modified), I received a heartfelt email (reproduced below) asking me to, ummm, back off on my criticism.
This email I received yesterday is rather disturbing because I fear it reveals the low caliber of scientific knowledge that exists out there. Too many people are too easily fooled by pseudo-scientific ramblings which can go viral and cross the globe in a matter of hours. This cuts both ways in the global warming debate, as frequent readers of my blog know I have banned people on my side of the argument for pushing too hard on what I consider to be bad science (e.g. the claim that there is no such thing as the “greenhouse effect”).
Even Jason Samenow from the Capital Weather Gang posted agreement with me that there is nothing unusual about winds at the jet stream level moving back and forth across the equator. Jason also quotes other PhD-level atmospheric scientists in that article.
So, I’m just going to leave this here…I was tempted to answer many of the points made below, but I think it will be more enjoyable for regulars here to take a shot at it.
What A way to treat a fellow scientist. Who the f**k cares if its man made or not! Paul is getting the word out there to people…what are you doing? I don’t see you doing anything except having a web site that no one even knows about…I’ve never heard of you. Paul Beckwith puts a lot of hard work and time into trying to raise the issue…You however are a disgrace to global scientists! Or do you not agree this is an emergency? This one video finally caught some attention and you have to f**k it up…Idiot! We NEED for this to be news so maybe, just maybe something will be done! This video has gone viral…let it be! You have made up lies about him and tried to discredit him…why would you do that??? Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation…because this was NOT supposed to happen. You need to take down what you said from your web site! What is happening is dangerous and people need to know…too many people already do not believe GW is real…they need to prepare! They need to know! Jesus Dude…What’s wrong with you? And let’s not throw stones about Donations…You have your own Donation button!!!! Fix it Please…
And….discuss!
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I thought that was the whole point.
I’m pretty sure he was sincere here. To most of these guys it doesn’t matter what they voice their protest against. Anything from pipelines, homelessness, to “evil corporations”. Logic doesn’t matter here.
Nor does the truth. The far-left has one objective – gain power and hold on to it at all costs. Their predictions made ten and twenty years ago failed to even remotely pass the test of time, and only make them push-out predictions to the end of the century, where all culprits of the worlds biggest science-free zone, AGW, will be long dead and forgotten.
The way I interpreted that phrase is that the “main thing” is to advance the Green Agenda. As long as one is successful in frightening the public into supporting the agenda, nothing else matters. Any rhetoric which works is acceptable.
To these people the ends justify any and all means. That became obvious to me when the video of Jonathan Gruber was made public. He admitted on the video that the Obama Administration had deliberately lied to the public to get Obamacare passed. You would have thought that even Obama supporters would be upset to learn they had been lied to. But instead, they were only upset at Gruber for telling the truth and exposing the lies. The “cause” is more important than the truth. And so it is with climate change. It doesn’t really matter if the predicted catastrophes ever come to pass or not. All that matters is that the fear mongering can be used to achieve their desired ends.
Folks, do you know what the end result of this (bad behavior) is? Republican house, senate AND Trump is up by 4% in the rasmussen pole…
They all belong to CAVE (Citizens Against Virtually Everything)
You can’t win an argument with a SJW. The best you can do is not engage. You can’t win a rational argument against an irrational person. Above all, don’t EVER apologize. Let them hoist themselves on the petard of their own hysterical silliness. (Thanks for your book, Vox Day!)
The end justifies the means comes to mind reading that email…
Yes Dirk, I would agree that there certainly is sincerity given the expressed tone. The frightening thing with it is this is exactly the same kind of sincerity that the Witch-finder General would have as he lights the kindle while informing the hapless victim that “this is for your own salvation”.
If it wasn’t “global warming” as a cause it would be another. The fight on that front is eternal.
It’s the way of things.
My sense is that this individual is young (late teenage years perhaps) and is very likely going to shift his paradigm in the years to come. I know I did. I forgive him/her, he/she knows not what they do.
Louis,
“But instead, they were only upset at Gruber for telling the truth and exposing the lies”
Are you familiar with Plato’s “The Allegory of the Cave”?
It’s Marxist logic. If it support Marxism it’s logical. If it does not support Marxism it’s not logical.
Hans July 2, 2016 at 1:23 pm
They all belong to CAVE (Citizens Against Virtually Everything)
Back in the day, I was a fan of Al Capp who created “S*W*I*N*E” Students Wildly Indignant about Nearly Everything
http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/may/2011-10-03/%E2%80%9Cstudents-wildly-indignant-about-nearly-everything%E2%80%9D#.V3kUT7grLIU
Sincere or not, it’s clear that he has trouble resolving conflict between logic and imagination. It’s almost like a disconnect with the way the 2 hemispheres of the brain communicate with each other. When the pragmatic left side of the brain prevails, so does logic. When the right side dominates, creative imagination prevails and nothing is more creatively imaginary than the fears promoting climate alarmism.
It occurs to me that this cognitive process could be the origin of partisan politics. I wonder if the connectivity of the corpus callosum will reveal whether you are a strong partisan who lets others think for them (low connectivity) or an independent thinker who prefers to figure things out for themselves (high connectivity)?
Santa Baby, July 2, 2016 at 7:24 pm: “It’s Marxist logic. If it support Marxism it’s logical. If it does not support Marxism it’s not logical.”
Marx, who never held down a “real” job; expounding on fields and issues you failed in don’t count as a ‘job’, but rather, as preoccupation or avocation.
Yes and no.
The point FOR FUNDING is that it has to be man made – or else they won;t get their ££$$.
But they don’t really care if it’s lies or not… so long as they get the next funding cycle organised.
I think this guy left his tin foil hat off for too long .
Robert from oz,
I have to respectfully disagree. A rant like that is full-blown tinfoil hat. 🙂
I have to agree with Phil.
He had to have had that hat strapped on for that much ignorance.
I once saw a Frontline show where a woman was very concerned with the possibility of radiation from Three Mile Island (long after the Unit 2 disaster). She walked the plant perimeter with a Geiger counter, looking for radiation. It was found that she had significant radiation exposure from natural radon from the granite in her basement. She said that was OK because it was “natural.” Cells don’t care if the ionizing radiation is natural or not. CO2, same thing.
A few years ago I saw a news report about how some granite countertops in kitchens were found to contain a fair amount of radon. No one interviewed was okay with those countertops being in their home.
Side note: My mom is from PA, and she says that when she hears people say “TMI”, she thinks “Three Mile Island” rather than “Too Much Information”.
I had a warmest get all upset when I pointed out the carbon dioxide release from the Boreal forest exceeds the total of all released in North America by humans. The warmest replied that was okay because that was natural carbon dioxide. Only man made carbon dioxide was dangerous. So this does not surprise me.
Jones
Like many a Nazi before him, he is a product of the indoctrination to which he has been subjected to which some mistakenly refer as “education”.
Very true, Bob. We have to live in the climate of the day, & like all generations before us, simply adapt to it. It is weird that so many people think we should still be suffering in the climate that prevailed during the Little Ice Age. Personally, I would prefer the climate of the period 8,000 or so years ago, known by the scientific community as the Holocene Climate Optimum.
I much prefer to be in Crete during the Minoan Warm Period. Ladies got to wear the most charming dresses back then!
“so many people think we should still be suffering in the climate that prevailed during the Little Ice Age”
Bit of a straw man argument there Ray. No “alarmist” says that.
I’m all for the Holocene Climate Optimum with it’s relative climatic stability. What I would seriously like to avoid is 4-5 degrees of heating above the Optimum. Humans are changing the climate at an increasing rate due to (exponential) economic growth. 4-5 degrees this century would be VERY bad for humans.
The risk may be small but throw in a few unexpected feed back discontinuities and it is non-zero.
First off, it would take 5 to 10C of warming to get the planet up to the temperature of the Holocene Climate Optimum.
Second, why do you believe that 5C of warming in a century would be bad?
Third, Even the IPCC has given up on more than 2C of warming by the end of the century? What makes you believe they are wrong?
Tony McLeod, I beg to differ. I have heard numerous people state that we must drop our temperature below current levels. This is one of the arguments for mass carbon sequestration. In fact, this was the entire purpose of the IPCC’s third report’s cover graph, the infamous Hockey Stick.
I’m glad to hear that there are many who disagree with this foolish claim. However, the idea that we could raise the temperature to those levels is farcical. You would require a temperature sensitivity of 4-5 degrees of CO2 per doubling to get to those temperatures before running out of fossil fuels. The only problem is that such a great sensitivity of temperature to CO2 would mean that the 20th century would have been strongly cooling without CO2. Ice-age levels of cooling. There is simply no evidence for such an assumption
No, the point is virtue signalling and the posting just gave him a Virtue Smackdown instead of the expected Virtue Stroking…
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2016/07/02/virtue-signalling-what-where/#comment-69607
No. The important questions are (1) will GW/CC have catastrophic results if nothing is done about it, and (2) just how much cost and benefit can we expect from different ways of “fixing” GW/CC, including ideas like Benford’s bargeload of iron filings.
Then when the rube sees that the answers are (1) no and (2) it’s so easy and cheap to “fix” if true that it’s not worth worrying about GW/CC, we follow up with (3) what are the alarmists really trying to do to us and why?
I believe it’s important to give these responses to the idiots who pretend that we are just denying the existence of GW/CC and therefore we are simpletons or liars.
Haha!
That rant reads like the social justice warriors sound, at an anti-trump protest.
It’s a barrage of words, that don’t actually achieve anything except confirm the stupidity of the protestor!
I say, let them speak!
(i.e. Give them enough rope….)
hmm?
this mob in germany would appear to belong to the same class of crazy!
http://iceagenow.info/german-science-institute-warns-of-miniature-ice-age/
BUT
its ONLY going to be regional
go figure that one..
I. Rest. My. Case.
(well, we can see who has the “radiation” (heh) problem — and also,
that when he or she wrote the above-quoted line,
she or he was obviously not looking in the mirror. lololol)
“Jesus Is Just All Right” — Doobie Brothers
(youtube)
Hang in there, Dr. Spencer. “‘Blessed are they…'”
Jesus Dudette,
Janice
#(:))
“Blessed are you…”
Got my little one dancing round the room!
Oh, Steve (in Paris). Thank you for sharing that. What a perfectly DELIGHTFUL picture that paints. Yeah, those ol’ Doobies are a lot of fun.
Here, since this is a silliness thread, play this one — I ALWAYS jump up and dance around the room to this 🙂
Just for YOU, Steve’s little one:
“Hampster Dance Song”
Happy Saturday evening in Paris!
Janice
#(:))
“Hampster Dance Song” is really Roger Miller on speed:
/Mr Lynn
What was this guy thinking? The radiation is what the tinfoil hats are for!
Anne Ominous — Beat me to it. — Eugene WR Gallun
Anne O
You got it all wrong. Tim foil hats are a government plot. They focus the mind control rays beamed from space by the CIA.😂
“The radiation is what the tinfoil hats are for!”
Alpha and Beta particles (and EM waves), no effectiveness for Gamma tho ..,
Applaud, or Tinker Belle will die!
I don’t believe in carbon fairies, I don’t believe in carbon fairies, … 🙂
Tom Halla — You win best comment! — Eugene WR Gallun
I grade this hate mail a B.
It is reasonably articulate. It uses foul language in an appropriate manner that enhances the rant. It does not make any personal threats. It clearly displays anger and ignorance. Overall, a respectable hate mail effort. Much better than some of the other examples that have been posted here.
I particularly enjoyed the part about
“Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation…”
“Anthony Watts July 2, 2016 at 10:14 am
I particularly enjoyed the part about
“Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation…””
Yeah, what in the world was that about? Does he know these people? Really? Good grief…
Yeah, that’s a good one. Hope this person doesn’t eat, drink or breath… Is C13 considered Carbon Pollution? I wonder how much lead he has surrounding his abode…of course, this person would probably have a conniption if he/she/it realized Lead is in the decay chain for Uranium and Thorium. :))
Well, Geiger, count on it — “radiation” is a VERY BIG DEAL to that poor soul…
No radiation in the Southern Hemisphere? Whew, that’s a relief. Time to start packing!
/snark
Sounds like he lives to close to a power line and holds his cell phone to close to his head….
Maybe he thinks all those jets coming down the stream are loaded with Hiroshima bombs?
Strange, because thats where the ozone hole is.
Carbon Pollution
===============
Why not simply ban carbon? Anything that contains carbon, make it illegal. For example:
water – no carbon – OK
carbon dioxide – contains carbon – ban it
farts – contains carbon – ban it
gasoline – contains carbon – probably causes cancer – ban it
sugar – contains carbon – pure poison – causes diabetes – ban it
carbs – contains carbon – makes you fat – also causes diabetes – ban it
fat – contains carbon – makes people look fat – ban it.
plastic – contains carbon – super pollution lasts forever – ban it.
politicians – contains carbon – lying SOBS – ban it
Look at all the bad stuff that comes from carbon. make the stuff illegal and sure as shooting it will clear up whatever is wrong.
He must have run out of aluminium (aluminum) foil
Yes, Anthony, the claim that there are radiation refugees flocking from the Northern to the Southern Hemisphere was jaw dropping. Has that appeared in some science fiction movie?
And I’ll agree, the rant style is familiar…reminiscent of an email I received recently.
Enjoy the holiday weekend.
Cheers.
That was my favorite part, too. That one almost made me choke.
Ferdberple — you forgot about carbonated drinks: sodas, seltzer water, tonic water, beer, champagne, etc.
🙂
It would be great if we could scare a bunch of Dimowits enough that they move to the Southern Hemisphere (with apologies to our Friends Down Under!)
“Radiation”? Is there something you guys aren’t telling me?
In all fairness, he may be referring to the Pirahã counting system where “many” is reportedly more than two and it is possible at least 3 people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from radiation somewhere.
/sarc
Might have some problem with potassium deficiency too?
I tried googling … “refugees to southern hemisphere escape radiation” … and only came up with some folks who are considered refugees from EMF (microwave radiation, cell phones, Wifi …) and a lot of tinfoil hat stuff about Fukishima. The EMF refugees are trying to find unpopulated areas to live, and some Japanese have been trying to get refugee status in other countries (N, S, E, W, they don’t care) to escape Fukushima radiation exposure. Nothing about people moving from NH to SH.
The 3rd link on the second page of google results is this WUWT article!
Maybe somebody else would be more successful …
Anthony Watts July 2, 2016 at 10:14 am
“Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation…”
I guess that is what people told him.
And here I thought it was because their pensions, 4O1k’s and social security goes farther. Then again if he heard that, he would follow them.
Anthony I think the problem is that too many of these people want to be a super hero, and you and Dr Spencer keep snatching their cape away.
Can’t be a super hero without that cape
michael
I’m thinking the radiation comment has to do with the Fukushima train-wreck . .
Overall, I’d classify this more as consternation mail . . It’s not truly hateful in my eyes.
Mr. Spencer needs a better publicist it seems to me, if he wants to break into the big leagues . .
But Ferdberple …. what about the old saying that went something like, “carbon is a girl’s best friend”?
” …. moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation…”
Uhh – he/she is right. Five of us did. Well – two of us. The other three had no choice in the matter, but didn’t disagree. The catalyst (or possibly final straw) was a power station in the former USSR going off pop. Eventually, I was able to buy a DRSB-01 detector (about $A60 from Russia). It picks up a yellowcake seam about 25km west of here. Ho-hum …
The lack of radiation in the southern hemisphere is why I am so cold down here these days. Can you northerners please send us some of yours?
@RAYQ MCMULLEN,
You wait your turn. B.O.B. will get around to irradiating the Southern Hemisphere soon enough. Right now, it’s our turn here in the Northern Hemisphere for B.O.B.’s attention.
Must have watched a rerun of ON the Beach
LOL, maybe if more were to return to the Southern Hemisphere, BREXIT would not be an issue?
Another worry – if too many people move South it will affect the rotation of the planet /sarc
@ur momisugly ferdberple = water will have to come off the list, it is dangerous in all it’s forms /sarc
see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw
Tunas are fleeing Japan to avoid radiation pollution.
True story!
Martin Clark July 2, 2016 at 4:18 pm: “… Five of us did [move to the southern hemosphere]. Well – two of us. The other three had no choice in the matter, but didn’t disagree. ”
Enjoying the ‘warm’ sand in Rio? (Or maybe this is Brazil?)
Inappreciate the way it is compeletely and utterly void of any trace of facts. Just bare, raw emotions.
“The EMF refugees are trying to find unpopulated areas to live, and some Japanese have been trying to get refugee status in other countries (N, S, E, W, they don’t care) to escape Fukushima radiation exposure.”
Don’t you see an opportunity here?
Oh, I dunno, SMC. I think you are being quite generous, there, with that “B.” I’d give it a D+. The insanity factor nudges it too close to the pathetic to be a really effective verbal assault.
Also, the humor of its wild assertions makes it hard to feel very upset… hard to feel upset when you are laughing! lolololololol
But Janice, compared to the other hate mails Mr. Watts has posted, this one is actually somewhat readable. I think your grading criteria is too strict when you consider the intellect involved. An insanity factor is not really a consideration when grading Hate Mail, besides, almost all hate mail is pathetic. I suggest you consider grading on a curve. :))
lol (SMC). 🙂
@SMC
What, you want to grade on a curve?
D.J.
No, I don’t grade on a curve. I suggested Janice should grade on a curve. I thought the grade she assigned this hate mail was somewhat harsh. I believe this hate mail is a much better effort than other hate mails Mr. Watts (and Dr. Spencer) have posted for evaluation and ridicule. Besides, grading hate mail is a subjective endeavor. Janice’s ‘D+’ is equally as valid as the ‘B’ I assigned.
‘Curving’ is totally unacceptable in any realm of climate debate. Use a bit of Mannian PCM statistical corruption and you could give any grade, A thru F, as you choose!!
CW, that’s only true if you’re using hokey sticks.
Janice … curves …
SMC, I do believe that qualifies as micro-aggression.
I’d give it a solid C. True, it’s legible, but too full of ignorant points to warrant a higher grade. Wishing death on your political opponents is OK for the genre, however, adding easily disprovable nonsense like people moving south to avoid radiation undermines the point.
I would like to second your critique.
This hate mail managed to convey the inner feelings of the writer, it’s dismay of differing views and the total disregard for science.
Rather weak on the language side though. One could expect a letter on scientific issues to at least once use the “D” word.
I will give it a “B plus”.
😀
Or, tragically, an A in today’s classrooms.
We don’t give out D’s anymore . . . or even use a red pencil. Too “triggering” to fragile self-esteem. ALL the children are above average, and EVERYONE gets a trophy–and this guy is the end result output.
JH., in our universities today it could earn a PhD.
Dumbest child in the class prize!
As much as I hate to say it, I grade my wife’s papers, and I have to say that original composition is sorely lacking on the junior high level. I can tell when it’s plagiarized when it has three well formed and properly punctuated sentences in a row.
Most essays have been sacrificed to increase studying for standardized testing.
Sure, but we can’t see the spittle and foam on his/her/its computer screen. That adds a lot to the troll level
You can get an indication of the spittle/foam level by the creative use of vituperative, vitriolic language. While this hate mail uses foul language in an appropriate manner, enhancing the rant, it is lacking in the creative use of bile.
The complainer misses the bigger problem, probably because his/her brain is not big enough to encompass it. If the northern Jet-Stream did actually displace into the southern hemisphere, how can anyone put it back up here in the north?
In a bad science fiction movie, a Mad Scientist at the EPA would call for the US Government to do a high-altitude detonation of a nuclear weapon to cause the Jet Stream to resume its regular course. I don’t know how that Hollywood Lackluster would finish the plot, but it would certainly be a Disaster Movie, to be sure.
Aliens, my friend, aliens.
Plus the power of love thrown in there somewhere.
Good grade assessment. If not for the aside about moving to the southern hemisphere to avoid radiation it would have been a C, but the that minor twist was a good/needed interruption to the redundant rant. It causes the reader to want to pay attention … to see if there will be anything new coming around the corner.
Further improvement to the letter could be made by an indirect and cluttered summary, clarifying that end does indeed justify the means, even if we don’t have a clue as to what the end (goal) actually is … but we all have to do our part.
Well, I moved to the Southern Hemisphere 30 years ago – New Zealand in fact – and that to escape the European Union. However, I know from bitter experience that radiation here and in Australia is a huge problem with the Ozone being so much thinner. I have lost many of my new friends to skin cancer over those intervening years. Slip, Slop, Slap is an oft quoted message about the use of sunblock and sunhat !!!
Andi,
Some guy named Gore wrote “Earth in the Balance” in the 80s or so. He claimed that in Sth America like Patagonis, increased ultra violet radiation from space was causing health problems like blindness in rabbits and salmon.
Maybe this was the start of the insanity about hemispheric radiation dangers.
Trouble is, there was next to no data on incoming uvradiation levels, so nobody could claim that there was an increase let alone one large enough to be dangerous.
The main lesson is that Vice Presidents have some sway that should be used responsibly.
Gore had little idea of science but he has left a legacy of belief in ignorance that has affected much of a Western generation young enough to believe in crap by authority.
Gore should apologise. Hell should freeze over.
(BTW, hate mail is an easy deal compared with death threats and bomb- like devices left at ones home, as happened to my family when I was more involved with countering crap.)
Geoff
Geoff Sherrington July 2, 2016 at 4:46 pm: “Some guy named Gore wrote “Earth in the Balance” in the 80s or so. He claimed that …”
Geoff , that ‘chicken’ is about to come home to roost, witness:
“Limbaugh’s Al Gore Armageddon Clock About To Hit Zero After 10 Years”
by Kerry Picket of The Daily Caller
http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/02/limbaughs-al-gore-armageddon-clock-about-to-hit-zero-after-ten-years/
Former Vice President Al Gore made a prediction for the earth’s point of no return 10 years ago and talk radio host Rush Limbaugh held him to it since that day in 2006.
The countdown clock on Limbaugh’s site has been running for nearly 10 years since Gore’s apocalyptic prediction about the earth as a result of greenhouse emissions. Less than a month remains in the countdown.
.
We’re down to 24 days, 5 hrs and 43 mins as I type this …
.
Correction to prior: We’ve already passed that 10 yr date! And all is well!
Bob Tisdale — I think ON THE BEACH comes close. — Eugene WR Gallun
Eugene,
The movie On the Beach has a beautiful demonstration of the inner mind of the bureaucrat.
As the people-killing radioactive clouds are about to wipe out Earth’s last people, an official health care female is handing out suicide pills supplied by government. Her job is to tick off people on her clip board, so nobody can be greedy and take two.
It is a delicious scene about the stupidity of officialdom.
Geoff
With a bit more effort, I’m sure this grade will improve.
Eamon.
The mind of a child provides counsel to the fool.
Global warming alarmism is man made, we all know that much. Who the f**k cares about the details?
And it doesn’t matter to the Climate Faithful whether that word is true or not. A lie that is believed is fine with them.
Noble Cause Corruption at it’s most corrupt.
I bet he (the writer) daily uses a car, electricity, energy, gas, etc…so what does he expect every one else to do, live in a hole in the ground? People like that are always big hypocrites, with irrational expectations.
I think his or her family took the car keys away last year… (told her or him they needed to be re-painted ….)
Anyone who paints their car keys are a bit suspect anyway. 🙂
Indeed, Birdy. 🙂
Well, if ol’ Radiation Emergency didn’t fall for the paint ruse, then they likely used the “gotta get these keys re-made so no one can steal your car”) ploy ….
Living in a hole in the ground would expose him to radiation though. I think he must be living in a cloud castle…Although there would be issues with higher exposure to cosmic radiation… nothing a little lead wouldn’t fix…:))
How long would he stay up there with lead protection though, I think he would drop like a lead balloon.
I saw a lead balloon float on ‘Mythbusters’ once.
Is it Cooling or Warming? That is the question!
I wonder if they will ever notice that its only been “warming” since the Little Ice Age – which has temporarily overcome the cooling since the Holocene Optimum?!
[snip -policy violation – sockpuppeting. BANNED. See my comment below – Anthony]
None of which has anything to do with the contents of the email from the nutter.
Sergi, you poor thing. Mr. Mann made his own bed, he can sleep in it. We know he is pushing a fraud.
So are you “thefordperfect” and posting as “sergeiMK” to get around being banned for misbehavior here, or are you just lifting material that “thefordperfect” has posted repeatedly on other sites over the years? Either choice is pathetic.
Do you know if those posters were ever banned? Do you realize that it has been 7+ years since those posts with not a single addition to the list of “death wishes on this very blog?”
It seems “sergeiMK” is just another sockpuppet name for “thefordprefect”.
He’s another useless anonymous troll who thinks his potshots here actually matter.
Banned for policy violations before, this new fake persona is gets the same treatment.
What a jerk.
“theforeprefect” was outed in the climategate emails. The “jerk” that I refer to is [in] fact a Mike Tuppen of the UK.
Here is email 3021:
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date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:19:26 +010 ???
from: ???@tuppambr.demon.co.uk
subject: A couple of questions
to: ???@uea.ac.uk
Dr. Jones
I apologise for this intrusion!
Im sure you are aware of the drivel posted on climateaudit
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=6654#comments
and wattsupwiththat
http://wattsupwiththat.com/
I have posted there under the name of thefordprefect. For a year or so.
A bit of background so you can confirm my name. About 2 years ago I was involved with some robust exchanges on a financial BB (ADVFN) and have been taken to court for defamation – the first judgement (now unfortunately appealed!) is here (my name is Tuppen)
http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2008/1797.html&query=advfn&method=all
I can post on ADVFN or climateaudit under my pseudonym of thefordprefect to prove my credentials.
I find the current exchange on climateaudit to be very childish and have said so many times. In doing so I have apparently backed your actions and put my interpretation on your statements.
I was therefore hoping that you could reply to these questions. I will if you agree quote your responses (you may also give an off the record response which will never leave my computer (please make it obvious which is available for publication!).
1. In this statement:
I should warn you that some data we have we are not supposed top pass on to others.
We can pass on the gridded data – which we do. Even if WMO agrees, I will still not pass on the data. We have 25 or so years invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it.
There is IPR to consider.
Is I have suggested you are refusing to give IPR info to others and have used a bit of humour with the 25 years or so part
Is this an incorrect interpretation on my part?
2. Do you actually have agreements available for some of the data that prevents release to non academics?
Are these paper or email. Since the CRU has been around from the late 80s when the anti AGW were not in existence and data was not being questioned I can understand that these may have been verbal or lost in moves of location.
3. I understand that upward of 200 FOI requests have been made on the CRU the attack being instigated and directed by wattsupwiththat and climateaudit. Do you know the cost to the CRU of processing such a FOI claim?
Whilst I can understand your reluctance to speak on such Blogs I am very concerned that they are actually affecting the populaces belief in GW. If you repeat the same crud often enough it eventually gets copied to other blogs and so on.
By the way I have pointed them to this document
http://eca.knmi.nl/documents/ECAD_report_2008.pdf
Which states that some data is unavailable because of IP agreements with the sources (i.e. they have the same problenm as you) it has been ignored of course!
Thanks
Mike Tuppen (aka thefordprefect)
Goodness gracious, what a whackjob. I wonder how many times Phil Jones facepalmed reading that drivel.
Great investigative trail !
This is the a/h’s blog … http://climateandstuff.blogspot.com.au/
People heading to the Southern hemisphere to avoid the radiation? Has this guy been reading On the beach?
Good pickup. .
For those not in the know, “On the Beach” was a book/movie back in the early 60’s about a nuclear war between the US and Russia that resulted in so much fall-out that it wiped out human life in the Northern Hemisphere.
However, in the Southern Hemisphere life went on for a while . . . because the wind patterns don’t go north/south across the equator, or so the story went. So everybody packed up and headed south.
Eventually, though, the fallout made it to the southern reaches of the earth, and all mankind died.
And the moral of the story was, to avoid that, the US needed to immediately disarm. . . .
China USSR
The movies were better.
Geoff from Melbourne here.
Please be careful how many of you migrate to here.
Acting on the advice of a USA Senator, we have concerns that our island continent will tip from the extra weight and throw us into the sea, which others in the USA assure is is the hottest evah.
What the heck is “global scientist”?
I think…. it is the group of which our writer is charter member…. formed in 1973….. Anthony should consider himself honored that the writer has deemed Anthony worthy of membership.
You mean, … His Globalness, Anthony Watts?
Or perhaps to the author of the hate email a “global scientist” is one whose head and ego are of global dimensions?
More like, glueball dimensions
Janice thank you for the Hamster clip even if I have to play it every five minutes, interspered with the Doobies.
Steve (in Paris): 🙂
Overweight scientists. You know it is time to hit the threadmill when you are called a global scientist.
Aren’t they scientists who study globes?
Like Prof. Sybil Trelawney?
[snip =over the top -mod]
Mod — i admit it was sorta Absurdist. — Eugene WR Gallun
Out of all that drivel, you chose that to highlight?
It obviously means “Scientists worldwide”.
Paul Beckwith got his 15 minutes of fame. I hope it lasts a little longer. However, I doubt that he is enjoying his fame at this point but he got what he asked for.
As far as the little hatemonger who sent the email, he/she clearly blew their cork. I can’t stop laughing!
Oh, he’s done that before! Remember when all the Arctic Ice melted? Paul was there with an entertaining essay.
http://www.archive.sierraclub.ca/en/AdultDiscussionPlease says in small part:
He is going to have a hard time reproducing that fail.
HELP….I’m stuck in the wrong hemisphere and the radiation’s got me!………..
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I do.
“Who the f**k cares if its man made or not!”
I take that as an homage to Hillary Clinton’s famous catch phrase.
Although I hate L Svaalgards attitude Im begining to think the ol XXXX is correct the sun barely changes and has no effect on climate short term.we’ve just had a super cold winter here in central america, but the sun has come out again and the wind from the amazon 30 C today latitude 24 S based mainly on the La nina coming back and re establishing highs over the west coast of Brazil
Well, Eliza, sometimes Dr. Svalgaard’s attitude can be a bit high-and-mighty, but… I really don’t think he wrote that note… “Jesus Dude” just isn’t his style….
On the other hand….. if he smoked a joint…. and had just read one too many vukcevic comments…… (/sarc)
AS IF! #(:))
Thanks for that, Eliza — posting on the wrong thread happens to even the best of us, as you have now shown.
lol 🙂
Thanks, Janice.
I think you nailed how Dr. Svalgaard’s name popped up here.
That’s not from Dr. Svalgaard
hmm? ‘west coast of Brazil’ BTW, I live in Los Llanos de Colombia, with the Amazonas neighboring, and the winds have been quite calm…
That last tectonic plate shift in Chile must have been worse than I thought if Brazil has a west coast.
It is true, you can’t fix stupid.
Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation? Is he saying global warming is causing excessive radiation in the northern half of the planet? So much that the masses are fleeing to south of the equator in fear for their lives?
But….but…..but I thought they were supposed to be fleeing in both directions from the equator to escape the areas made uninhabitable by global warming?
Obviously I’ve been misinformed up till now.
When one is “out in the ozone”, it’s easy to confuse the hype about the ozone hole with the hype about caGW.
The ‘ozone hole’ is a major cause of global cooling, witness the refusal of Antarctic temps to rise, and the unending ‘hole’.
For those who have not read Prof Lu’s papers on the formation and moderation of the ozone hole (GCR and bromine and CFC’s etc) it really is worth the effort. Prof Lu is at the University of Waterloo, Ontario. Look for his three papers. There is a pretty funny interchange between him and ‘Eli Rabbet’ attacking Lu on Eli’s blog (Eli comes off as a nitwit).
In short, all the variation in global temperatures since 1950 can be explained by the ozone hole modulation over Antarctica.
Crispin,
I disagree with your evaluation of the little bunny. Halprin comes off as an arrogant nitwit.
Maybe he’s referring to solar radiation, as in radiant energy. The ice extent has been growing at the South Poll, so obviously, it’s getting less solar radiation down under. 🙂
Actually most people are fleeing the Arctic areas in fear of Arctic amplification. Apparently there is only an old guy living now in the North Pole.
I couldn’t have conjured up a better example of what is wrong with the Followers of Heat, and how completely unscientific they are.
“Radiation…?”
“Forget it. He’s on a roll.”
With apologies to John Belushi.
I’m sure I lost a few IQ points reading that.
“……. I don’t see you doing anything except having a web site that no one even knows about…I’ve never heard of you…….” Uhm, yep, so no body knows of the website and s/he hasn’t heard of you but still manages to send you a “blistering” hate mail. As for the rest of it, while I do have a sadistic streak, it’s no fun poking and prodding defenseless little creatures.
The Derp is strong with this one.
Well, it did have a higher level of literacy than most of the people he wants to contact and have circulated in the climate alarmism echo chamber, so it has to be a high B effort. I thought it was my old age dementia when I read about radiation, but then I remembered if you go south of the equator the radiation is counterclockwise so it must not be as bad, or something.
The true believers don’t care what is said or how what the science sounds like as long as it is bad and we just have to do something NOW.
Suddenly global warming is starting to make a lot of sense… 😉
Replace “drugs” with “CAGW hype” and this makes sense.
I like my eggs…errr, brains…scrambled… Oh wait, they already are… 🙂