Brexit: Greenpeace, FOE fears a "Bonfire" of Green Regulations

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Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Evidence is mounting that Brexit, and possible “contagion” of the British exit from the EU, the empowerment of nationalist movements throughout Europe demanding their own exit referenda, is the worst nightmare come true for green groups which had been counting on the bureaucratic authoritarianism of the European Union to bind democratically elected politicians to strong green policies.

Brexit: Environmentalists fear ‘bonfire’ of regulations designed to fight climate change and protect wildlife

Remain campaigners have argued that EU legislation has helped towards tackling water and air pollution, protect endangered species and imposed tough safeguards on the use of genetically modified crops and potentially dangerous chemicals.

Regulations set in place to help fight climate change and protect Britain’s wildlife may be destroyed following the Brexit result, top environmentalists have warned.

Reacting to the vote to leave the European Union, charity groups and climate change campaigners said the result could have a “devastating” effect on the UK environment, since more than 70 per cent of environmental safeguarding comes from European legislation.

Greenpeace UK executive director John Sauven said: “Many of the laws that make our drinking and bathing water safe, our air cleaner, our fishing industry more sustainable and our climate safer now hang by a thread… There is a very real fear that Cameron’s successor will come from the school that supports a bonfire of anti-pollution protections.”

Plastic should be considered toxic once it gets into the environment, MPs told

In an post-referendum statement, Friends of the Earth said the group could “no longer rely on the EU to protect our nature and habitats”, adding that clean beaches, air quality and bees were among the factors put at risk by potential loss of EU legislation.

Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/brexit-eu-environmentalists-fear-bonfire-regulations-designed-fight-climate-change-protect-wildlife-a7103001.html

My opinion is green groups are paying the price for putting all their eggs in one basket, for decades of ignoring the wishes of their membership, for relying on their influence with establishment politicians and agencies to fulfil their agenda. Now those establishment politicians and agencies are preoccupied with fighting for their own political survival, My guess is they are simply not taking calls from representatives of the increasingly irrelevant establishment green groups.

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Jimmy Haigh

They put all their eggs in one Brexit.

Bryan A

OMG we’re doomed. We’re going to Helena Handbasket. GB is obviously incapable of self governance and will fall into socioeconomic and socioenvironmental decline without the stringent EU overlording. Yea Right
/snark

Craig Loehle

I’ve been to Helena and couldn’t even find a handbasket…

ralfellis

Helena, the female Hell… ;-).
And ‘going to hell in a handbasket’ is a favourite Daily Mail idiom, that originalted in America, aparently.
R

[GB is obviously incapable of self governance ..]
Just like Switserland and Norway?
Now GB has a after-party hangover but soon they start to realize their freedom and new opportunities. Wait and see.

Tom Judd

As Jerry Garcia and the Grateful Dead once advised in a song, “if you’re going to hell in a basket, you might as well enjoy the ride.”

emsnews

Many laughs, top comment.

It amazes me that the “Greenies”never seem to understand that when-ever you are shown to tell lies constantly, it doesn’t take long before you stop listening to them.Once they would have been taken notice of,but not any more.They are no longer”Friends of the Earth”

Do you like
green eggs and ham
I do not like them,
Sam-I-am.
I do not like
green eggs and ham.

Texcis

+99

The establishment and self-styled elites are having problems in both the US and the soon to be former EU. Trump and Sanders both ran against their parties regulars, and have had an effect we in the US are waiting to see. Johnson and Farage have done the same thing to the British political regulars, and any group that depends on influence with the regulars is metaphorically engaging in s***ting bricks and other uncomfortable and unlikely activities. I only hope Trump delivers on his promises here. The green blob deserves what it gets.

Ah, but be assured those bricks will be organic bricks and therefore useful to them!
On the more serious side, the Green Brigade should re-examine historical records. I can assure them that the UK led the world in the 50’s with their Clean Air Acts, and later with anti-acid rain regulation. It also had in place, and had far better performance, on water and wastewater regulation and quality. Many rivers in Continental Europe also had far worse river water quality. The Zoological Society, and UK individuals such as Attenborough and Scott had also already brought to our attention many wildlife problems. All this before the EU was started!

Goldrider

The end is near. George Will flounced out of the Republican Party yesterday . . .

Samuel C Cogar

George Will is a “has been” of a journalist whose fame, notoriety and reader base has decreased significantly in the past decade or so ….. and his claim of opting out of the RP was little more than a futile attempt to get his name in the News in hope of acquiring a few anti-Trump, anti-Republican and partisan Democrats as fans of his commentary.
To opt out of the Republican Party, … George Will had to have changed his Voter Registration Status with the Secretary of State wherein he resides and/or with the County Clerk’s Office that oversees his voting precinct …….and GW has made no mention of doing said And until he states what his new Registration Status is, I have to consider his “claim” as being an untruth.
The RINOs, the lefty liberals and the partisan Democrats are not only frightened, but scared to death of a Trump Presidency simply because they all know it will surely “mess up the good thing they have had going for the past several decades”.

markl

Samuel C Cogar commented: ” … George Will had to have changed his Voter Registration Status with the Secretary of State wherein he resides and/or with the County Clerk’s Office that oversees his voting precinct ……”
“His voter registration in Maryland has now changed from Republican to “unaffiliated,” PJ Media reported.”

Mike McMillan

That may be enough to turn Maryland over to the Democrats.

TA

Will should take Romney with him when he goes. Good Riddance!

gallopingcamel

For every George Will leaving the GOP there will be ten Trumpers joining. Think LANDSLIDE!

MarkW

At present, Hillary leads Trump by 10 points.

Bellman

Tom Halla

Johnson and Farage have done the same thing to the British political regulars, and any group that depends on influence with the regulars is metaphorically engaging in s***ting bricks and other uncomfortable and unlikely activities … The green blob deserves what it gets.

I wouldn’t worry too much – Johnson’s made it clear he wants to keep the UK a part of Europe and work on improving the environment.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/i-cannot-stress-too-much-that-britain-is-part-of-europe–and-alw/

I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be. There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment.

Of course, whether you believe him is another matter.

Paul Westhaver

Eric,
Any speculation as to the prospects of the UN caving in also?

MarkG

The UN will stop being concerned with ‘Global Climate Warming Change’ when there’s no more money in it.
Hopefully Trump will defund the UN and kick it out of NYC.

Bryan A

Defund yes but keep it in NY where we can keep tabs on its doings

Gamecock

“keep your enemies closer.”

Samuel C Cogar

You can’t completely “defund” the UN if permitted to stay in NYC.
It would still cost NYC and/or NYC residents tens of million$ each and every year.
Lost taxes, fire and police protection, etc., etc.

TA

The UN should move its headquarters to Brussels.

And, the Diplomats & their staffs get to ignore the parking laws.

texasjimbrock

Let them stay in NYC. Just tax the hell out of them, and cut our funding to about 5% instead of the over 30% (I think) currently. Lotta corruption there.

Maybe he can acquire the UN building and turn it into condos.

Gabro

TA
June 26, 2016 at 3:40 pm
One hopes that the many EU buildings will soon be vacant there.

gallopingcamel

We need to stop funding the UN and evict it from that fine building in New York city. The money we save could be invested in something worthwhile to make sure that New York does not suffer.
The UN could relocate to Brussels but let others pay for it.

“the bureaucratic authoritarianism of the European Union”
what about the bureaucratic authoritarianism of the UNEP?
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2794991

Thanks for the link – great work – keep telling about it!
“It is well known that public sector bureaucracies without adequate constraint, oversight, audit, and accountability can devolve into self-serving organisms (Rose-Ackerman, 2008) (Gorodnichenko, 2007) (Romzek, 1987). The United Nations and its many agencies and programs are ultimately funded by taxpayers but they are too far removed from those taxpayers to be directly accountable to them. But who will discipline the UN? Agency theory ensures that no single country will venture to absorb the cost of disciplining the UN while gaining only pro-rata benefits (Jensen, 1976) (Eisenhardt, 1989). United Nations agencies and programs like the UNEP, IPCC, UNCFCCC, the Montreal Protocol, the Kyoto Protocol and their related frameworks, conventions and other bureaucratic artifacts are therefore allowed to operate under insufficient constraint, transparency, oversight, or discipline. Under these conditions they can morph into bureaucratic organisms that operate for their own needs and no longer serve the public interest (Bolton, 1994) (Halper, 1996) (Zaruk, 2014) (Zaruk, 2010).”

No ‘Nature – trial and error,’ no political – life on the littoral – Hammurabi consequences.
Instead, a ‘safe place’ environment for some… power w/out responsibility.
“The United Nations is financed mostly by taxpayers from a few donor countries
but the large and growing bureaucracy is too far removed from those taxpayers
to be directly accountable to them. It is run by unelected, unaccountable,
undisciplined, and incompetent bureaucrats. The organization’s size, budget, and
scope are unconstrained. The budget funding process provides perverse incentives
for these bureaucrats to increase the size and scope of their organization simply
by creating multitudes of agencies and programs, and by inventing problems and
environmental crises set on a global scale.”

MarkW

The biggest problem is that those that aren’t paying for it, are setting the agenda.
We have a similar problem here in the US.

Via one of your references I found this article:
How corrupt is the United Nations?
I guess the answer to that is that due to lack of openness and transparency it is impossible to tell.
I suggest to split United Nations. Keep what is clearly in line with its charter – Article 1.1
“To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;”
Everything else should be left to survive on it´s own – just like all other political, idealistic or activist non-governmental organizations. I guess we are better of by cooperation between groups of countries than by the monstrous United Nations.
«The primary, the fundamental, the essential purpose of the United Nations is to keep peace. Everything it does which helps prevent World War III is good. Everything which does not further that goal, either directly or indirectly, is at best superfluous.»
— Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr.
“The UN was not created to take mankind to heaven, but to save humanity from hell.”
— Dag Hammarskjöld, Secretary-General from 1953 to 1961

Because of UN failure to do its job we now have the worst Muslim problem the world has ever known.

If United Nations had kept focus on their purpose it might have helped.
As a curiosity I was surprised to learn that we have two sets of human rights:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights
And the:
Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam
(Signed by 45 states):
ARTICLE 1:
(a) All human beings form one family whose members are united by their subordination to Allah and descent from Adam. All men are equal in terms of basic human dignity and basic obligations and responsibilities, without any discrimination on the basis of race, colour, language, belief, sex, religion, political affiliation, social status or other considerations. The true religion is the guarantee for enhancing such dignity along the path to human integrity.
(b) All human beings are Allah’s subjects, and the most loved by Him are those who are most beneficial to His subjects, and no one has superiority over another except on the basis of piety and good deeds.

If United Nations had kept focus on their main mission it might have helped.
As a curiosity – I was surpliced to learn that we have two sets of Human Rights:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights
And:
Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam
(Signed by 45 states):
“ARTICLE 1:
(a) All human beings form one family whose members are united by their subordination to Allah and descent from Adam. All men are equal in terms of basic human dignity and basic obligations and responsibilities, without any discrimination on the basis of race, colour, language, belief, sex, religion, political affiliation, social status or other considerations. The true religion is the guarantee for enhancing such dignity along the path to human integrity.
(b) All human beings are Allah’s subjects, and the most loved by Him are those who are most beneficial to His subjects, and no one has superiority over another except on the basis of piety and good deeds.”

If United Nations had kept focus on their main mission it might have helped.
As a curiosity – I was surprised to learn that we have two sets of Human Rights:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights
And:
Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam
(Signed by 45 states):
Check out article 1.
(By some peculiar reason my reply just disappeared when I tried to include copy of the first article.)

Moderator – sorry for this mess – whenever things await moderation I can normally see that. This one just disappeared – feel free to clean up if you like.

Bryan A

It probably contained a few select buzzwords that forced it into the moderation queue
But not onto the moderation bar-b-queue

MarkW

Dump the UN altogether. Even the things that are within it’s charter are poorly run and often counter productive.

This, of course, is precisely what many of us are hoping will come to pass! Instead of sticking to those environmental worries which many of us have, such as waste plastic in the oceans, these not-so green organisations have delved into political matters to the point where demi-gods such as Obama have felt happy to push for regulations far beyond their mandates. That this has displayed appalling ignorance of things which many of us learned as schoolkids has not mattered, and it seems that the majority of modern young folk are happy to swallow such garbage without any attempt to check the facts. Polar bears, glaciers, polar ice, global temperatures – anything will be swallowed if it gives an opportunity to get involved in a protest! Chickens coming home to roost? Well done, Nigel, Boris, and Donald!

simple-touriste

For most of the class, what the teacher says is morally white noise. They might respect him enough to avoid interfering with his emissions, but that’s all.
To have a semblance of effectiveness, teachers treat children as monkeys and teach tricks they can reproduce. But most children have no idea what they are doing.
At least it’s my experience, and the reason so many bright children are badly depressed (in the clinical meaning, not the today I feel sad meaning).

There is a short book that explains it very clearly, “The Curse of the High IQ” by Aaron Clarey. Every one of my friends with the high IQ has the same depression problem. One learns to cope with it without pills, though.

Gentle Tramp

I’m afraid the green “brain washing” of our school kids (already starting at kindergarten) works very well in most cases, because it is not just “one” incompetent teacher preaching this “gloom and doom” nonsense but nearly all teachers do so…
One can test this bad influence when asking teenagers, at the beginning of their first science lessons, what they think which the most abundant and most dangerous gases in the atmosphere are. The most frequent answer to both questions will be “CO2” since about 20 years. If they are told the truth (without CO2 there would be no life on Earth and it is a trace gas of only 0,04% in dry air), most teens will look quite disbelieving and really confused.
Talking of depressed bright children: I am convinced that a significant part of this depressions comes from the endless and constant scare-mongering by school teachers about the coming anthropogenic climate disaster, the menacing nuclear danger and all the other alleged human sins against nature which will destroy our planet soon…
I know of a true case where a young intelligent girl of about 17 did commit suicide because she believed all that green scare-mongering and didn’t want to live further in such a bleak future…

Samuel C Cogar

Alexander Feht said:

Every one of my friends with the high IQ has the same depression problem.

Sorry bout having to tell you this but, ….“DUH”, more likely it is your perceived “depression” problems that is responsible for your “circle of friends” …… rather than it being your perceived high IQ.
“YES”, perceived high IQ, …… because iffen ya’ll were as “smart” or as “intelligent” as you think you are …. then you would surely know that one’s intelligence IS NOT a cause of any diagnosed “depression”.
Depression is a “mental” problem that is self-inflicted ….. and therefore has to be self-corrected. Medications will only “mask” the effects of depression …. but are not a cure for said.

Samuel C Cogar

Gentle Tramp said:

it is not just “one” incompetent teacher preaching this “gloom and doom” nonsense but nearly all teachers do so

You got that right, ….. and the reason is a simple one.
I would say that 80+% of all currently employed Public School Teachers and Principals are a product of the Public School System of the 1980’s, 1990’s or the 2000’s … wherein they were taught that same “gloom and doom” nonsense ….. along with a required “commitment” to teach “it” as a prerequisite to their receiving a Teaching Certificate along with their Diploma.

MarkW

My mother earned a doctorate in early childhood education. One of her classes was about teaching problem children. The biggest chapter in the book dealt with controlling the smart ones.

spetzer86

The kids aren’t being taught to think anymore, as that’s now considered dangerous and unproductive. They’re being taught to react in a predictable manner to known and new stimuli. The more predictable, the better. All about being good Global Citizens and following the “correct” leadership: http://invisibleserfscollar.com/

Goldrider

Actually, I’ve yet to see anyone under 30 who can take their eyes off their phone . . .

Bryan A

For that matter most everyone with a cell phone tends to be married to it to a certain extent

simple-touriste

You rarely teach people to think or to love sports. Either they do or they don’t.
You give methods and perspective, this is all.
At the end of day, only someone who doesn’t want to think buys the Roosevelt saved the economy with big spendings. (BTW, I have learnt that “fact” and I knew what to write during the exam.)

ossqss

The tme for science, not embellishing every thunderstorm, is upon us!
Hip hip Hooorrrraaay!
I am in!
Can anyone say establishment pukes, go away?

Reality Observer

They made a big mistake by putting their bird-chop-o-matics all over the countryside.
Those pictures are the best things to show to anyone not a true believer (or making money off of the boondoggle).

Leon Brozyna

Now is the summer of our discontent, as losers on both sides of the pond throw a hissy hit and try to have the results thrown out … in the UK, those that lost are trying to get the results thrown out by changing the rules and calling for a second referendum … what’s that? keep voting until the results you like come in? sorry kiddies, that’s not the way it works … and in the US, republican delegates are trying to change long established rules to the nominating convention that delegates not be bound to the voting results on the first round, all in the hopes of stopping Trump.
This must be the era of poor losers … if at first you don’t succeed, change the rules and try again, and again, and again, until the desired results are obtained.

It’s like they say, “green on the outside, red on the inside.” These people will never stop voluntarily. Just more long walks to undermine western civ., liberty, and self-determination (such as they are). The financial house of cards and related asset price manipulations will fall and cease, painfully, with this setback to their central planning, and those yet to come.

Ray Boorman

Yes Leon, that is the s.o.p. of the green marxists & their fellow travellers.

Leonard Lane

Exactly Leon and Ray. Recall the old Communist mantra which is part and parcel of all leftists and many of the elites, donor class, Big Bankers, etc; And that is :What’s mine is mine and what’s yours is negotiable.”
Well, the radical leftists usually win with such negotiating rules, but with Brexit and Mr Trump they have had some setbacks. Thank goodness.

MarkG

“what’s that? keep voting until the results you like come in? sorry kiddies, that’s not the way it works ”
Clearly you haven’t been following EU referendums. That’s precisely how it works. If the people vote the wrong way, the EU forces them to have another referendum and another and another and another, until they finally vote ‘right’.
They’re now trying to force that on the people of Britain, but many of them realize it’s precisely what’s happening, and probably won’t fall for it.

Clearly you haven’t been following EU referendums. That’s precisely how it works. If the people vote the wrong way, the EU forces them to have another referendum and another and another and another, until they finally vote ‘right’.

Welcome to the “never-end-um”.

TA

“This must be the era of poor losers”
This is the era of mass delusion for about half of the Western world’s population. The other half is going to have its work cut out for it keeping the Loons on the “straight and narrrow.”

markl

It’s time the world wakes up to the damage against humanity by so called “Green” demands. The “burn down the village to save it” mentality is pervasive with many environmental causes. You reap what you sow.

simple-touriste

Although some crazy regulations (and projects) might go (like limiting the power of some home appliance), but I fear the people have been fed too much disinfo for too long to make such a difference overnight.

John Harmsworth

My fear also. The eco-Socialists are endlessly over engaged, while the education system is run by uncritical leftists. Only some sort of watershed “loss of credibility” event can shut them up.

simple-touriste

Does the “Immediately after brexit, Nigel Farage admits he made an impossible promise” claim (except he did not admit there is an impossibility and he never made the (alleged) “promise”) debunking destroy the credibility of “journalists”?

The collapse in 2007-08 was that event. They just pretend it wasn’t and create “academic reasearch” that says so. Almost ten years on, and interest rates near zero, but the economies are supposedly performing well. As with Brexit claims, they (central bankers and corrupt governments they enable) have created much instability and then threaten to tip it over if some population engages in some rude act od democracy. The English will get it good and hard. Not for them, but for all the others watching.

Sorry – Welsh, Scots, and N. Irish too.

rogerknights

“As with Brexit claims, they (central bankers and corrupt governments they enable) have created much instability and then threaten to tip it over if some population engages in some rude act od democracy. ”
Britain was the first domino, pushed by reality, but it will get the blame from all the downstream dominoes.

Felflames

To paraphrase.
Sow the wind, reap the storm.
There comes a point where the general populace will no longer tolerate intrusions into their lives.
The green groups may find very shortly that their calls for prosecutions of sceptics backfires , and they are the ones being called to account.

joelobryan

The Greens act as if the decision to leave the EU means Britons will just start pissing and crapping in their water supply just because there is no longer an EU nanny watching and saying “No.”
Dumb, beyond belief.
The Greens are the real petulant children in the room. Cry babies, in fact.

simple-touriste

“Okay, listen up! We have the obligation to make this thing right and tell people what is and what isn’t safe to eat. We are the USDA! Without us people would be eating dirt and chairs!”
South Park Season 18 Episode 2: “Gluten Free Ebola”

MarkG

Leaving the EU means the Greens will need to get their BS regulations through the British Parliament, with politicians who are at least somewhat beholden to the opinions of the British people, not push them through unelected burrowcrats in Brussels who’ll then tell the British Parliament they must impose said regulations or else.

joelobryan

The UK needs to go further. Historically, much much further.
Never, ever let watermelon politicians subjugate UK citizens to an un-elected continental governance ever again.
Write your own British/ Scottish/Irish Bill of Rights that every Scot, Brit, and Irishman can stand behind with his life to save his family from tyranny.
The time is now.

mwhite

“Remain campaigners have argued that EU legislation has helped towards tackling water and air pollution, protect endangered species and imposed tough safeguards on the use of genetically modified crops and potentially dangerous chemicals.”
All true. Elected politicians gave away those powers to the European bureaucracy.

Dr. John Snow, call your office.

Brian Jackson

The correct quote is “sow the wind and reap the whirlwind”.

They may find out very soon.The DemocRATS calling for RICO are now $hitting them-selves,because if they are forced to court,they won’t be able to control the questions that will be asked.

Bonfire of the Vanities!!! I’ll bring the marshmellows!

I’ll bring the matches!

Greg Cavanagh

I’ll bring the petrol.

joelobryan

I congratulate the British for striking another blow (just one of countless since 1054 AD) for self-determination of a free people.
In 1781, the American colony’s armies under George Washington had pushed King George’s Army back to the sea and forced their final surrender at Yorktown, Pennsylvania. Freedom… yes.
From there It required over 6 years before the free colonies found themselves a nation worth keeping. and 4 more for the Bill of Rights in 1791 to ensure their freedom from a tyrannical government.
When the US Constitution was finally written in 1787, Benjamin Franklin, a man who had spent much time in London and Paris was asked, “What have you wrought?”
“A Republic, if you can keep it.” was Franklin’s recorded reply.
Now I realize the UK is a parliamentary democracy-monarchy, But still I ask our UK friends here at WUWt the similar question posed to Benjamin Franklin those 229 years ago.
“What Britain, have you wrought with Leave the EU, I ask?”

joelobryan

I suppose after a bit of refresher, the Magna Carta was signed in 1215 AD at Runymede. The Magna Carta was the true starting point of a Western-style political system of self-rule of a free people.. A self-rule the Green Socialists despise.
2016 June 23, is a significant point in that history. Congratulations by fellow freemen and freewomen in your demand for self-determination.

Chris Riley

Exactly seventy six summers ago, at an enormous cost, the British struck a historic blow to a different brand of socialist.

joelobryan

I made that point 2 weeks ago here at WUWT, before the Brexit vote.
Would the RAF of summer 1940 been proud or sad to see their nation ruled by an unanswerable government from the Continent?
Obvious. Their summer 40 sacrifices with their lives against Hitler’s Luftwaffe were to keep Brittania a free nation of free people.

Gamecock

Having won the Battle of Britain, Britain promptly fired Hugh Dowding, the leader of the “so few.”
5 years later, having “won the war,” they fired Winston Churchill.
Perfidious Albion.

Crispin in Waterloo

Always something to broaden your mind to be found on WUWT. If we are referring to things as far back as the Magna Carta, oppose the tyranny of the grammatically incorrect:
“Congratulations by fellow freemen and freewomen in your demand for self-determination.”
“Freemen” is a gender-neutral term. If you wanted to have a gendered version it would be, “Congratulations by fellow freeweamen and freewomen in your demand for self-determination.”
Wea- means male, wo- means female, and ‘men’ means people. English also has a gender-neutral word for the singluar of ‘cattle’, not that anyone remembers what it is.

Leon Brozyna

Yorktown, Virginia, just north of Newport News, was the scene of the undoing of Lord Cornwallis.

joelobryan

You are correct sir. my bad remembrance of Hgh School history.
Yorktown, Virginia. It was.

JPeden

Joel O’Bryan
June 25, 2016 at 9:36 pm
“But still I ask our UK friends here at WUWt the similar question posed to Benjamin Franklin those 229 years ago.
“What Britain, have you wrought with Leave the EU, I ask?”
America. It seems obvious….Between Totalitarianism and Individual Freedom, it’s never over, at least until we are all wiped out by Nature aka The Infinite Universe…which means it’s never over.

joelobryan

You fight then not for yourself, but for your children and grandchildren.
President Obama is trying to make me accept comfort and riches, so that my grandchildren will be his slaves.
Fuck Obama and the Greens.

Dodgy Geezer

…“What Britain, have you wrought with Leave the EU, I ask?”…
The Brits have no problem with a ‘free Parliamentary Monarchy’. We quite like our Royal Family,

Monna Manhas

As a Canadian, I have no problem with our Royal Family either.

TA

As an American, I have no problem with the British Royal Family, either. 🙂
Long Live the Queen!
Our little spat was a long time ago, and we have made up for it in spades ever since, by being steadfast allies.
If Britian needs the U.S., we will be there. You can count on it.
That is, in about seven more months. Until that time, all bets are off as to what our president might do, but the American people are still with you all the way.

AndyG55

“Plastic should be considered toxic once it gets into the environment, ”
I’ve often wondered by WWF or Greenpeace isn’t going out in boats to clean up the “island of plastics”
No money to be made from it, is my guess.

simple-touriste

Not just island, continent.
They would need to bring a large net and then do some “selective sorting” as we say (“tri sélectif”).

markl

simple-touriste commented: “….They would need to bring a large net and then do some “selective sorting”…”
A large net would be useless as most of the plastic is eroded into micro particles and sinks just below the surface where it becomes non nutritional food for the lower organisms. The correct way to stop this type of pollution is to keep it from entering the oceans.

jorgekafkazar

The “Island” is extremely diffuse particulates, maybe 1# of material per acre.

Chris Riley

At the minimum we can confidently say that Hayek’s ” Road to Serfdom” has run into a unexpected and serious construction delay. We can hope the vote in the UK on Thursday will go down in history as not the “beginning of the end” but the “end of the beginning” of the struggle against the worldwide P.C.-NWO assault on individual sovereignty.

Dodgy Geezer

The Brits are quite used to leading this sort of thing…and standing alone for a bit while the rest of the world catches up…

James Francisco

Dodgy Geezer. I have wondered for a long time what would have happened if we Americans and others would have stood with you British and the French against the Axis powers from the beginning. I think there was a good chance we could have prevented WW2.

Christopher Hanley

“Environmentalists fear ‘bonfire’ of regulations designed to fight climate change [sic] and protect wildlife …”.
==========================
Linking the ‘fight against climate change™’ with protecting wildlife is typically unscrupulous green sophistry, the two are mutually exclusive when it comes to windmills.

TA

Yeah, I don’t think you can call yourself a wildlife protector if you promote building windmills.

TA

And another thing about the windmills killing birds:
A few commenters expressed the thought when this was mentioned previously, that complaining about windmills killing birds was not an effective argument.
I don’t think that is true. My personal experience is, I was unaware that an estimated 573,000 birds were killed by windmills in 2013. I learned this about two months ago and was *shocked* at the numbers. I had no idea they were even near that high.
I think most people would be shocked at the numbers, if they were aware of them. How could you not be shocked? I think the people should be told the truth about the birds, and what is happening to them in order to supply humans their electricity.
The People should be told that windmills are *optional* not essential, to our future. That there are other, better ways to supply electricity that don’t kill birds. If their leaders can’t see that, throw them out of office and get new leaders who can.

Gabro

Not just birds but also bats.
Crop-eating insects rejoice!

Gabro

Also certain types of solar.

According to a report by Ferroni & Hopkirk, a solar panel in it’s 25 yr lifetime produces less energy than it’s production costs.
see:
https://collapseofindustrialcivilization.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/ferroni-y-hopkirk-2016-energy-return-on-energy-invested-eroei-for-photo.pdf

Pat Frank

With all the joy, do not forget the lesson of the EU.
When all the levers of power are concentrated at the center, partisans and extremists have a target.
They will always and inevitably work, scheme, and lie to gain control of them. And once those levers are in their hands, they will use them to ring down tyranny on all.
The American Founders showed their deep wisdom in distributing the powers of government among independent branches. Distributed, independent, and, dare I say it, jealous, powers are the guarantee of freedom.
A Europe of independent self-protective democratic republics of free people is the best and only hope of a better future.
The battle joined in the Greek city-states versus the Persian Empire. The free against the enslaved. It continues to today. Don’t lose sight. We celebrate a desperate battle and a razor-thin victory for freedom.

TA

Pat Frank wrote: “They will always and inevitably work, scheme, and lie to gain control of them. And once those levers are in their hands, they will use them to ring down tyranny on all.”
Which is what has happened to the Western world over the last 30 years. The Socialists/Totalitarians have gotten their hands on *all* the levers of power in Western society, and are using them to push their Totalitarian agenda. And its working, as they have convinced about half the population that they have the formula for the future.
And there is the added complication of BIG MONEY on the side of the socialists, which gives them an option to buy the levers of power as well.
We have a huge fight on our hands with the Socialists/Totalitarians and it has barely gotten started yet. Brexit is a good start, but it is just one battle of many to come. Get yourself prepared for the debate.
The Left is not going away quietly. But neither is the Right, and we have an advantage over them: We have the facts on our side, on every issue.

Pat Frank

TA, see Alan Kors’ talk:

don penman

The green coalition running the British government are talking about voting against the will of the British people and remaining in Europe. It could be that we are facing a Prague spring in Britain if we are then the world should take notice that green policies cannot be refused.

joelobryan

That would match up to the US President Obama trying to engineer a domestic crisis so he may serve a 3rd term. The voters’ vote in the watermelons’ view needs to be silenced. No matter which side of the Atlantic you are on.

The Clean Air Act 1956 was introduced in the UK long before the EU came into existence. We are quite capable of looking after our own environment without interference from the bureaucratic EU.

Billy Liar

The SMOKE NUISANCE ABATEMENT (METROPOLIS) BILL 1853 was introduced in the UK over 100 years before the Clean Air Act.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/lords/1853/aug/16/smoke-nuisance-abatement-metropolis-bill

Our Green Betters can take heart from South Australia and Tasmania, far from the EU. It is possible to be a destructive and wasteful green basket-case all on one’s own.
No need to go on incinerating American forests in English power stations to conform to some EU directive. One can wreck local while thinking global.

Ex-expat Colin

Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty sets out how an EU country might voluntarily Leave the union.
The majority voted for Brexit or Leave the EU and as such is a rejection of the Treaty and any others. I as a UK voter for Brexit would now wish to see a calm clean break from nanny EU. The main items which Leave voters wanted can be summarised:
1. UK control over new law making and over our courts
2. Cancellation of our EU contributions, with more spending on the NHS and repeal of VAT on fuel out of the cancelled contributions we do not get back
3. A new fair system of immigration control, delivering lower overall numbers
4. Replacement of lost EU spending by UK spending paid for out of saved contributions we do get back
5. Maintenance of trade, tourism and other regular contacts through negotiation of the best deal for future relations
http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2016/06/26/getting-on-with-brexit/

joelobryan

Ex-ex,
That’s just a start. The Greens will not rest until you submit to their will. And as Charlatans they will lie. The Greens acting as mermaids calling you to the rocks in a gale, they will seduce you to steer toward their direction.
Enact a set of unalienable rights you must.

Ex-expat Colin

joelobryan:
Yes..we have a long way to go and need to strike down all of the Climate Change Act and its related teet suckers. We have 2 houses of a Administration that are wholly vested interests to the detriment of the people. As such its going to be heavy going I think.
We shall see…and await common sense to come through?

View from the Solent

joelobryan, as you pointed out earlier, we have the Magna Carta for our “unalienable rights”. Plus 800 years of legal precedent in the form of decisions by our Courts. Which will no longer be superseded by a remote so-called justice system.

And engaging more with the rest of the world through trade on a fair playing field.

Gamecock

2. Cancellation of our EU contributions, with more spending on the NHS and repeal of VAT on fuel out of the cancelled contributions we do not get back
4. Replacement of lost EU spending by UK spending paid for out of saved contributions we do get back
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Corrupt local government is only a little better than corrupt distant government. Just let the people keep their money. Get government out of their lives.

Tom in Florida

That is the problem. Progressives believe that the government owns everything including all the money and only through their goodness do they allow people to have some of it.

Yirgach

As I understand it, that was a non-binding referendum in Britain.
Therefore it takes an act of Parliament, triggering Article 50 of the EU’s Lisbon Treaty to start the withdrawal.
Will that ever happen and when??

BoyfromTottenham

Hi from Oz. So Greenp*ss says:
“Many of the laws that make our drinking and bathing water safe, our air cleaner, our fishing industry more sustainable and our climate safer now hang by a thread…”
As an ex-POM, I remember that before Britain joined the EU the drinking water was safe, the air was clean (thanks to the phasing out high sulphur coal for domestic heating in the early 60s), and the fishing industry was thriving (before stupid EU regulations made it economically ‘unsustainable’ and allowed other EU nations to strip-mine our rich fisheries). So Greenp*ss evidently still knows how to use Disinformation, but maybe now the electorate won’t buy it and said so last week. Well done, voters.

Smart Rock

Boyfrom: I have had Greenpeace come to the door collecting donations and on two occasions have caught them in very specific, easily checked, lies that came within my own area of knowledge. The earnest, bearded young men at the door, naturally had no idea that they were uttering untruths – these were just the selling points handed down for that week or month.
They just don’t care about the truth. They need scare stories to sustain the bloated, self-sustaining organisations that they’ve become. They did useful work in raising consciousness in the 1960s and 70s but that work was done, and now they really serve no function any more – does anyone actually want dirty air, dirty water, allowing endangered species to go extinct, fishing to exhaust stocks, etc.?
Patrick Moore is right, Greenpeace and all its various clones wear the cloak of environmentalism but they are acting to promote an anti-human agenda as articulated by the Club of Rome.

jorgekafkazar

The Greens lie, and they lie, and they lie, and they lie. . .

joelobryan

+100,000,000,,000,000,000,000.00

MartinR

When I lived in the UK, the bonfire on Guy Fawkes Night was a cool thing 🙂 Us kids would be enlisted to round up as many logs and sticks as we could find! Throwing Climate Alarmism on the bonfire this November would be cool 🙂

Marcus

Just think of all the fine feathered friends this Brexit will save !!

Britain votes to exit EU. A Limerick on the teakettle revolt.
Item: EU bureaucrats hold off banning high power small appliances such as electric teakettles until just after the British referendum to stay in or leave EU.
With bureaucrats wisdom uncanning;
electrical teakettles banning.
T’was the last straw for Brits,
so they did call it quits.
End EU one world order planning? https://lenbilen.com/2016/06/24/britain-votes-to-exit-eu-a-limerick-on-the-teakettle-revolt/

Gerry, England

‘Greenpeace UK executive director John Sauven said: “ …..our fishing industry more sustainable…’
Would these be the same laws that see more fish thrown back dead than our landed? And that have seen ‘Our’ fishing industry in the UK destroyed after the EU illegally declared fish as a common resource? The Maastricht Treaty finally closed the fish snatch loophole. Fish stocks are best managed locally where people know what they are doing not by some gauleiter in Brussels. Norway is doing just fine with its fish stocks.

Music to my ears.
The Green idea of fishing sustainability is no fishing industry. Maybe now too Britain can dredge its rivers properly. And did anyone notice suddenly protecting wildlife is back on their list? Didn’t seem to be there when they were drowning small furry creatures in the flooded meadows of Somerset, and where has it ever been shown in regard to bird dicing windmills littering the landscape?
Good riddance, I say, to the lot of them.
May the bonfires be big and bright everywhere.

Graham

Hopefully that bonfire will spread Down Under to spell the demise of abominable alarmist agencies like the Climate Council.
April 2016: “Endless summer” squawks the Climate Council.
https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/endless-summer-australias-hottest-march-on-record
But not a peep this weekend about coldest days on record.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/coldest_june_day_on_record_but_theres_no_scaremongering_though/

I think the big thing here is that the world has now been shown there are more people against green nonsense and dictatorial policies than the Greens and their handlers would ever want known. Dissent is popular, not rare. Those people thinking they were on their own with their doubts and their questions will be more willing to speak up now.
Watch the avalanche, it ought to be a beauty. 🙂

Brian of Oz

Michael Rimmer and of course Hitler would have been very disappointed by this result! Who remembers Michael Rimmer???

Dodgy Geezer

…Brexit: Greenpeace, FOE fears a “Bonfire” of Green Regulations…
That’s funny. I welcome a “Bonfire” of Green Regulations…

Bonfire, bonnefyre, quite coincidentally I was reading about the Midsummer traditions.
TRUMP/BREXIT nationalism ignites the Bonfire of the Vanities of environmentalism, while the ‘weepers’ (It. piagnoni) cry inadequate crocodile tears.

Bruce Cobb

The Greenie’s pretense at being interested in the environment is laughably transparent. They use it as a smokescreen for their real interest; authoritarianism.

How does one make climate safer?! How do they prove that they have made climate safer!?
This alone shows that the EU AND the UN are Bureaucracies that cannot be trusted and need to go or greatly modified!

Jeff L

The green NGO’s haven’t considered that they are part of the problem that has led to their worst case scenario – they were the ones pushing for elitist authoritarian rules & the public is sick of it & collectively flipping them the bird & saying we’ll take our chances with something different as the current situation is unacceptable.
With just a little self-examination, they should be able to see this – that they are their own worst enemy for environmental protection, if that is in fact their goal ( vs what appears to be actually left wing political goals under the guise of environmental protection).

Similarly from a previous post,
Naomi Klein doesn’t consider that it’s the Climatists that are the “racists”,
not everyone else

Graphite

Gotta love this bit: “our fishing industry more sustainable . . .”
As anyone who has seen Brexit: The Movie would know, the EU has stuffed the British fishing industry. And no doubt many more industries besides.
On a sideline topic, if a nation with some 60 to 70 million population such as the UK can’t survive (according the the Remainers) without belonging to a larger organisation, how is it that small countries like New Zealand (population four million) survive and thrive on their own. Virtually all of the countries which figure in the top ten of most desirable places to live have populations in the single-figure millions.

Gregory

England just showed the importance of smaller, local government. Force government to be accountable, not appointed bureaucrats far away.

James Bull

Much “local government” has been hamstrung by EU and central government regulation that makes it as near pointless as it can be. You cannot take part in a debate on some local issue if you have “an interest” in it even if that was what you were elected for?
James Bull

Some guy once wrote along the line that, “By their fruit, you shall know them.”

Gregory

P.S. Stop making the claims Trump was somehow the source of this. You are grasping.

??? TRUMP was certainly not the source, no more than the kindling is the source of the bonfire, but TRUMP is certainly an anti-establishment nationalist pro-BREXIT, Bonfire of the Vanities of the environmentalists.

David Schofield

Watch this space. The remainers have a petition going with 2 million signatures to do the referendum again. Until they get the result they want I guess. That’s their understanding of democracy for you.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36629324

Patrick MJD

The alarmist media are all over this like a rash. Apparently, the person who created the petition did so in jest.

Bruce Cobb

Much of the push for Bremain was from the younger crowd, full of brainless emotion and zeal. But traditionally, they are the ones less apt to actually vote, having more important things to do like Partying, Texting every 5 minutes, and Chattering, just to name a few.
But wait, what happened? We lost? Waaaaaah! No fair! You’re just old stupid people who don’t care about our futures! This is our world now, old stupid people. And we make up the rules, because we “Care About the Planet”, and you don’t.

RobbertBobbert GDQ

Bruce,
The poor loser reaction by The Remain crew is priceless and one of the best sooky sooky la la comments comes from a Facebook posting by Hermione H.
…Watching an interview with Brexit voters, who are shocked that we are out and that David Cameron has resigned, which in itself proves why the decision should never have been put in the general public’s hands…
I know, I know Hermione. You just cannot trust the general Public to vote the proper way and in a manner approved by the socially and intellectually superiors.
Do not invite any of them to your next dinner party. That will show them! At that party you and the right thinking people can discuss how the democratic process would be greatly improved if ‘Certain Classes’ of people were discouraged from being a part of the democratic process or even if The Democratic process is a failed experiment that needs replacing.
You will find some sympathy for that action in the bitter vengeful tears of the Remain Wake. Comforted by their Big Green Associates.

jazznick1

David
This is a totally bollox story – read all about it here.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/26/questions-raised-3m-remain-petition-activists-encourage-foreign-signatories/
Site was hacked and a ‘bot’ inserted to create fake signatories at a rate that only just enabled the site to cope.
Even the code itself has been located now. Totally bogus – BBC ran with it as did all the MSM and they all now look even more compromised than they were already !

markl

The the US online petitions are not considered valid. Only actual signatures count.

Jazznick1 – Thanks for that. What a laugh!

James Bull

What do you mean they won’t get backing for bird and bat choppers, anti drainage channel dredging which caused floods that drowned so much wildlife and the throwing dead fish back to keep in the “quota”.
How will we survive?
James Bull

Leo Smith

@James Bull: Exactly. there now is a chance to gauge public opinion and abandon all ‘renewable’ energy and forget about climate change and concentrate on saving birds from bird choppers, getting industrial costs down yet still caring about the lesser spotted watermelon as an endangered species in need of help, now its natural habitat of the EU gravy train is denied it.
I think a zoo is the optimal solution.
And that is of course what scares the pants off the globalists: If Britain can throw two fingers at the received wisdom of the Virtue signalling Left, it might start a fashion.

Bruce Cobb

I’d call it a “Bonfire of the Inanities”.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7

Brexit: Environmentalists fear ‘bonfire’ of regulations designed to fight climate change and protect wildlife

A “bonfire of regulations”? Sign me up!
Reminds me of a news story back in the ’80s about a man who got on every junk mailing list he could manage, so companies would send him catalogs. He burned them in his wood stove to heat his house.
I don’t know about the UK, but in the US the GPO (Government Printing Office) prints a huge amount of official documents (including regulations) in way more copies than anyone ever wants, so we end up paying warehouse space to store it all. If we burned it instead to keep warm or fuel biomass generation plants, it would actually save the warehousing costs.

Gamecock

British environmental bureaucrats remain in place.
Their tendency to gold plate EU directives may diminish, but they won’t go away. What the EU is doing will continue to be used ad Verecundiam. In all fields.

Craig Loehle

The problem with an overbearing bureaucracy that micromanages everyone’s life and starts shutting down power plants is that eventually (one hopes) people notice that they are being strangled, and object. That is what Brexit was. The greens have a right to be worried. hahaha

Bitter&twisted

Let’s get that bonfire going.
The bigger, the better!

..and our climate safer

A safe climate??
WUWT?

Billy Liar

Yes, apparently Greenpeace is working on project ‘Camelot’:
It’s true! It’s true! The crown has made it clear.
The climate must be perfect all the year.
A law was made a distant moon ago here:
July and August cannot be too hot.
And there’s a legal limit to the snow here
In Camelot.
The winter is forbidden till December
And exits March the second on the dot.
By order, summer lingers through September
In Camelot.
Camelot! Camelot!
I know it sounds a bit bizarre,
But in Camelot, Camelot
That’s how conditions are.
The rain may never fall till after sundown.
By eight, the morning fog must disappear.
In short, there’s simply not
A more congenial spot
For happily-ever-aftering than here
In Camelot.

the main faults of the EU are : excess regulations and the extraordinay influence of lobbyists and ill-minded activists.

rogerknights

And excessive salaries, corruption, and the useless monthly cycling to Strassbourg. Those who want the EU to survive should tackle those obvious points of rebellion pronto.

TA

You are both describing bureaucracies.
The bigger a bureaucracy gets, the more unwieldy and unresponsive it becomes. It is true for any form of human organization.
I once worked in a 1,500-person Railroad company, that was extremely responsie to problems and customer needs. My company was then bought out by a 15,000-person Railroad company, and the bureaucracy of that company was like a stone wall.
I could call the president of the small railroad company personally on the phone if I needed something. I couldn’t talk to the president of the other company unless I was related to Henry Kissinger. Otherwise, I got some lower level bureaucrat about five steps below the president, and nothing ever got done. Extremely frustrating.
It’s a matter of size. The smaller the government/bureaucracy the more efficient it will be. The bigger it gets, the more out-of-control it gets. The best government is the one closest to the people. That way the people can look over their representative’s shoulder and give them advice. 🙂
Britain has taken a step to reduce the unelected bureaucracy that was ruling over it, has made its government closer to the British people, and no doubt, more responsive, as now the pressure is on the local politicians to get their act together.

Gamecock

Lobbyists are not a cause, they are a symptom. Excess government power begets reaction. Limit government power and the lobbyists will disappear. Nothing to fight against nor advantage to be gained.

True !