An Open Letter to the #ExxonKnew #RICO20 Attorneys General about Climate Change

From the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation:

Dear Attorneys General,

You’re not stupid. Stupid people don’t graduate from law school.

Neither are you generally ignorant. You know lots of law.

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So, U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch and members of Attorneys General United for Clean Power, take no offense when I tell you that your intent to investigate and potentially prosecute, civilly or criminally, corporations, think tanks, and individuals for fraud, under RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) or otherwise, because they question the causes, magnitude, risks, and benefits of global warming, and best responses to it, is a dead giveaway that you’re ignorant about climate science and related climate and energy policy.But the day of the “Renaissance man,” vastly learned across all fields of knowledge, is long gone. All intelligent and learned people are ignorant about some things.

I’ve thought this ever since you first went public, but an email from Ed Maibach, Professor in the Department of Communications and Director of the Center for Climate Change Communication at George Mason University (GMU), to Jagadish Shukla, Professor of Climate Dynamics and president of the Center for Ocean-Land-Atmosphere Studies and the Institute of Global Environment and Society at GMU, dated July 22, 2015, ironically makes the point:

I had breakfast with David Michaels today. He is currently the Director of the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (in the US Department of Labor), and a former environmental health colleague of mine at George Washington University. He is an expert in the case against the tobacco industry.

His [sic] feels the odds of the DOJ [Department of Justice] pursuing this case against [the fossil fuel] industry are slim to none, because there are no easily quantifiable [health care] costs that the government can seek reimbursement for.

That said, I have no objection to our sending a letter to the President, our Maryland Senators and members of Congress …, with a cc to Senator [Sheldon] Whitehouse [D-RI], asking them to support Senator Whitehouse’s call for a RICO investigation.

That’s ironic because it comes from one of the 20 signers of Shukla’s infamous letter to AG Lynch and the head of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy urging a RICO investigation similar to that against tobacco companies in the 1990s.

The ironies of Maibach’s email are obvious enough. He cites an expert who thinks the odds of DOJ’s acting “are slim to none,” yet signs a letter asking DOJ to do it. He knows why the odds are slim: “because there are no easily quantifiable … costs that the government can seek reimbursement for.” Yet he signs a letter saying, “We are now at high risk of seriously destabilizing the Earth’s climate and irreparably harming people around the world.”

But the chief irony I have in mind is that you, attorneys general—none of whom, presumably, is an expert in climate science or ecological biology or the economics and engineering of energy or any of the many other fields relevant to the controversy—have launched precisely the action Maibach reported Michaels said DOJ wouldn’t launch for lack of easily quantifiable costs.

Now, why would Michaels have said there were no easily quantifiable costs?

Because, unlike in the case of tobacco’s health risks, there are innumerable and enormous holes in the case (not for human contribution to global warming but) for manmade global warming dangerous enough to justify spending trillions of dollars reinventing the world’s energy system to mitigate it, particularly when competing use of those trillions might bring far greater benefit.

And you, intelligent and learned all, are ignorant of those enormous holes.

It’s not entirely your fault. Journalists have been delinquent in reporting them. Climate alarmists have worked hard to deprive dissenters of research funds, jobs, and publication while hiding their own scientific misconduct. And it is ever so much easier to tell a scary story to motivate the public than to unpack the gory details with all their uncertainties.

So here are a few recommendations for you to remedy your ignorance:

  1. Start by getting a grasp of the basic science of climate change by reading former Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Chairman Sir John Houghton’sGlobal Warming: The Complete Briefing.
  2. Then, to learn some of the reasons for doubting Houghton’s somewhat alarmist views, read The Great Global Warming Blunder: How Mother Nature Fooled the World’s Top Climate Scientists, by equally well-qualified climate scientist Roy W. Spencer.
  3. If you’re brave, get into the weeds of why the IPCC said in its Third Assessment Report, “The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible” (emphasis added), by reading Taken By Storm: The Troubled Science, Policy and Politics of Global Warming, by applied mathematician Christopher Essex and environmental economist and statistician Ross McKitrick. You’ve probably never heard of the Navier-Stokes equation, but it is unsolved (and a million-dollar prize awaits anyone who solves it), yet accurate long-term prediction of climate requires its solution.
  4. Go beyond journalists’ breathless reports based on the biased and unrepresentative Summary for Policymakers and actually read the (mostly very good) thousands of pages of the main texts of the Fifth Assessment Report of the IPCC (including Working Group 3, whose predictions indicate countries poorest today are better off under warmer than cooler scenarios because in their models economic growth fueled by fossil fuels drives the warming). In them you’ll discover far more uncertainty than the SPM reveals.
  5. Read the thousands of pages of the competing reports from the Nongovernmental [hence less politicized] International Panel on Climate Change.
  6. Get acquainted with the meaning of “climate sensitivity” and why estimates of it—and consequently of all effects of global warming driven by human emissions of CO2 and other deceptively named “greenhouse gases”—have been declining over the years.
  7. Learn a little about “energy density” and “power density” and how they relate to questions about the engineering and costs of various energy sources from Robert Bryce’s Power Hungry: The Myths of “Green” Energy and the Real Fuels of the Futureand then about the costs of replacing fossil fuels as the source of roughly 85% of all the world’s energy with wind, solar, and other “renewable” options.

If you do these things, I don’t guarantee you’ll become skeptical of dangerous manmade global warming, but I do expect you’ll understand—because you’re smart—that the issues are far more complex than you thought, and certainly far too complex to be adjudicated in a court of law that needs to find “easily quantifiable costs” to justify a ruling.

You’ll also learn that honest people intelligent as yourselves—and maybe better informed—can disagree about the causes, magnitude, risks, and benefits of global warming, and best responses to it, without being mafia bosses. You’ll discover that what motivates us is far more our concern not to trap billions of people in poverty by denying them access to the abundant, reliable, affordable energy indispensable to lifting and keeping any society out of poverty.

And then maybe, too—before Congress takes you to the woodshed—you’ll decide to back off your potentially felonious conspiracy to “injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person … in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same,” for which you could be fined or imprisoned up to ten years, or both (18 U.S.C. 241).

Signed (italics denotes climate scientists; boldface denotes legal experts):

Timothy Ball, Ph.D. (Historical Climatology), University of London, England

Calvin Beisner, Ph.D., Founder and National Spokesman, Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation

Charles Clough, M.S. (Atmospheric Science), Founder and Retired Chief of the US Army Atmospheric Effects Team, Aberdeen Proving Ground, MD

Colonel John A. Eidsmoe, JD, Senior Counsel, Foundation for Moral Law, Professor of Constitutional Law & Criminal Procedure, Oak Brook College of Law & Government Policy

Christopher Essex, Ph.D., Professor, Department of Applied Mathematics, University of Western Ontario

Neil L. Frank, Ph.D. (Meteorology), Director, National Hurricane Center (1974–1987), Chief Meteorologist of KHOU-TV, Houston (1987–2008)

Rev. Peter Jones, Ph.D, Director, truthXchange

Madhav Khandekar, Ph.D. (Meteorology), former research scientist, Environment Canada, Expert Reviewer, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Fourth Assessment Report, 2007

Jamieson C. Keister, Ph.D. (Physics), retired research chemist, 3M Company

Kevin Lewis, J.D., Associate Professor of Theology & Law, Biola University

Anthony R. Lupo, Ph.D., Department Chair and Professor of Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri

Prof. Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi, LLD, Director, Centre For Human Resource Development, Sam Higginbottom Institute for Agriculture, Technology, and Sciences, Allahabad (UP), India

Tracy Miller, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Economics, Grove City College

Ben Phillips, Ph.D., Associate Dean, Harvard School of Theological Studies, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary

Shawn Ritenour, Ph.D., Professor of Economics, Grove City College

Chris Skates, B.S., Environmental Chemist

Roy W. Spencer, Ph.D. (Meteorology), Principal Research Scientist in Climatology, University of Alabama; former Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center; U.S. Science Team leader, Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer on NASA’s Aqua satellite

Timothy Terrell, Ph.D. (Economics), Associate Professor of Economics, Wofford College

Anthony Watts, Publisher, WUWT, the world’s most viewed website on climate

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June 10, 2016 11:18 am

Wow !

Hugs
Reply to  Bob Armstrong
June 10, 2016 1:19 pm

Pardon my French, but this was a laudable, concise effort to put together all major causes to keep science-making out of court rooms. There are ifs and buts, which extend from carbon balance and sensitivity to mitigation and energy production, from economics to engineering, biology and geology.
Effects of CO2 on climate and climate’s effects on humans are both wicked problems with difficult-to-quantify parameters related to both urgency and effectiveness of adaptation, let alone mitigation.
Don’t be fooled by people who just claim we are paid to be contrarian. Don’t be fooled by people who say the science is settled. Don’t do stupid stunts and think you are a hero.

stan stendera
Reply to  Bob Armstrong
June 10, 2016 10:03 pm

Double wow.

Joe crew
Reply to  Bob Armstrong
June 11, 2016 8:46 am

Agree with you completely. The rational mind must prevail.

Li D
Reply to  Joe crew
June 12, 2016 9:12 pm

Rational mind?
The Cornwall Alliance???
Perhaps you should read up on
them to see how rational they are.
Read their own stuff.
Its mind blowingly anti rational.

ossqss
June 10, 2016 11:22 am

Hopefully some additional congressmen and candidates were copied. I wonder if anyone will respond?
Nice job.

Barbara
June 10, 2016 11:25 am

Earthjustice, U.S., June 8, 2016
‘We Disrupted the Energy System – Let’s Tackle the Food System, Too’
http://www.earthjustice.org/blog/2016-june/we-disrupted-the-energy-system-let-s-tackle-the-food-system-too#
Boasting taking place here?

Bubba Cow
Reply to  Barbara
June 10, 2016 12:09 pm

clearly we’ll be just fine when we finally grow a large enough global bureaucracy to manage all of our lives /s

emsnews
Reply to  Barbara
June 10, 2016 5:00 pm

They plan to both freeze AND starve us all to death. Seriously.

StarkNakedTruth
Reply to  emsnews
June 11, 2016 6:15 am

Wasn’t that the plan all along?

Barbara
Reply to  Barbara
June 10, 2016 7:07 pm

Earthjustice
Foundations that support us list:
http://www.earthjustice.org/give/foundations

Barbara
Reply to  Barbara
June 11, 2016 11:39 am

Earthjustice: 2012, U.S. IRS Form 990
2012, contributed $275,000 to a Michigan organization to lobby for renewable energy.
Download the Form 990 at:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/941730465

David Smith
Reply to  Barbara
June 11, 2016 2:51 am

The comments below the article put the idiotic author straight in no uncertain terms.

Editor
Reply to  David Smith
June 12, 2016 2:22 am

Please explain. Your statement appears to me to be out of kilter with what was actually written.

Rex
Reply to  David Smith
June 12, 2016 6:44 pm

Mike Jonas: The article being referenced is the Earthjustice one.

Reply to  Barbara
June 11, 2016 7:13 am

*facepalm*
I skimmed the article–the minute it got to the grocery stores ignore the individual farmer (all of the local and national grocery stores here stock local produce when it is in season).
That article is complete rubbish…..more ivory tower musings from an elitist crowd that knows nothing of how stuff actually works.

AllyKat
Reply to  Barbara
June 11, 2016 9:02 am

I would not be bragging that I contributed to making life more difficult for my fellow man. Then again, I am not a sociopath.

June 10, 2016 11:25 am

No Judith Curry?
Also:

boldface denotes legal experts

Did you mean to refer to them as “boldface lawyers”?

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
June 10, 2016 12:23 pm

aahhaaaaaaa

Curious George
June 10, 2016 11:26 am

I applaud your intentions. This letter will have no effect. All the addressees are teflons (non-stick).

RockyRoad
Reply to  Curious George
June 11, 2016 9:33 pm

The letter is actually intended for the millions of voters that must have the final say in the matter by electing officials that won’t sell us down the global warming river. Those to whom the letter is addressed might as well be stone statues.

June 10, 2016 11:26 am

Outstanding! Too bad the lemmings will pay no attention as emotions rule; not facts.

Reply to  rocdoctom
June 10, 2016 12:34 pm

Not just emotions rule but belief systems and cognitive biases that program smart brains. This causes assumptions because of subjective interpretations of information…….. that leads to actions.
Actions result in risk taking (public) endeavors that put ones reputation at stake and a defensive posture when it comes to opposing or contradictory evidence……….which is how this letter will be taken.
We can sum it up this way to support skeptics in their view that CO2 is a beneficial gas and the evidence for CAGW is very weak.
1. The earth is greening up……..even deserts are greening up. World food production is soaring higher because of the contributions of CO2 in the law of photosynthesis.
http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth
Why would you prosecute entities that give these facts substantive weighting?
2, We’ve had the best weather and climate the past 4 decades since the Medieval Warm Period(that was warmer than this by many legit accounts).
Violent tornadoes and severe storms are down. Hurricanes are down, global drought is steady to down but heavy downpours and flooding is up. Modest warming, mostly of the higher latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere has been mostly beneficial.
Why would you prosecute entities that give these facts substantive weighting?
3. Most of the extremes we’ve been told are happening and will get worse are not actually happening……..yet, with the exception of the increase in heavy rain amounts. Almost all the bad weather/climate and hundreds of catastrophic effects on life, only exist on model projections based on unproven(and busting) theories. Climate models, so far have failed to show skill. They are too warm and clearly cannot simulate regional weather. They cannot predict clouds or the effect they might have, the water cycle, the oceans, the sun and many other key factors to predicting weather and climate.
Why would you prosecute entities who give these facts substantive weighting?
If the climate was mostly driven by the tiny amount of CO2 in the atmosphere and this had widespread support in the scientific community and “deniers” were people and entities that completely understood this but still attempted to mislead others into believing differently, then you might have a case.
Rock solid facts #1, #2 and #3 above are compelling evidence that this is not the case. How ironic that the label of “denier” is given by some to describe the large group of individuals that see so much described in the facts above……. with an open mind.

Kevin S.
June 10, 2016 11:36 am

This statement really hit home and about sums up the whole argument; “The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible”.
Wonder if the AG(s) will even pay attention to this letter.

4 eyes
Reply to  Kevin S.
June 10, 2016 4:04 pm

I suspect the AGs won’t pay any attention this time, unfortunately. The letter is to be applauded. A follow up letter addressing a few more specifics is required I think in order to trigger some doubts in their minds. Ultimately, when they look into it they will realize that continuing on their current course CAGW will have to be tested in court and then things will get very nasty as the deception, the uncertainties, the complexity and the corruption is revealed.

Reply to  4 eyes
June 12, 2016 7:58 pm

Mike, I admire your position, but certainly by now you must understand this isn’t about science, or even “doing the right thing” for society?
It’s about power (money) and control. It won’t be stopped by facts. The highest and best hope we can have is that by being foolish enough to take this fight to a scientific arena, they will incur the contempt and maybe even wrath of the general population. Had they stuck to a platform that was more emotional and less objectively wrong, it would have been easier, although I don’t think they run a real risk of failing.

PiperPaul
Reply to  Kevin S.
June 10, 2016 4:22 pm

“The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible”.
That statement comes directly from IPCC literature, does it not?

Reply to  PiperPaul
June 10, 2016 6:47 pm

Correct

Reply to  PiperPaul
June 10, 2016 11:18 pm

“The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible”.

I’ve never liked this description and I distrust the intentions of those that proposed it!
I think that as we come to learn more about complex systems the error will become clear.
The Earth’s Climate is a complex system and is therefore by definition, neither chaotic nor non-linear* Complex systems arise at the boundary of chaos. They are the exact opposite of the simple systems of Chaos Theory which can exhibit complex behaviour (chaotic or otherwise).
Complex systems exhibit simple behaviours with ordered outputs such as temperature that remain in a narrow range over very long periods. They are predictable and stable, not easily perturbed either by very small or very large inputs.
It is vastly simpler (And achievable) to predict the life stages of a star than to calculate the motion of its plasma for example.
Turbulent eddies and cloud formation are already heading towards the complex end of the scale in a continuum between simple(unpredictable/incalculable) and complex(predictable/calculable). It may be that the vast systems of Earth are powerfully stable in a way that is not fully appreciated today.
*”Non-linear” is a truly unfortunate choice of term made by the fathers of Chaos Theory.
It hobbles interdisciplinary communication, making it almost impossible to communicate accurately to non-specialists or the general public. Confusion and fear now replace reasoned debate about these issues. It’s hard to imagine that this wasn’t a deliberate choice because they took a phrase that had a common meaning in mathematics and science in general and then set about popularising the then “new science” along with its erroneous terminology (“Chaos” is also misleading in the context of the theory).

Reply to  PiperPaul
June 12, 2016 8:23 pm

Scott Wilmot Bennett writes:

Complex systems exhibit simple behaviours with ordered outputs such as temperature

Temperature is more commonly an input to chaotic systems. It drives systems from equilibrium to “far from equilibrium” states, which is necessary for us to observe chaotic behavior. A very good introduction to this for casual readers is Dr. Ilya Prigogine’s “From Being to Becoming: Time and Complexity in the Physical Sciences”. Prigogine has also written several other books aimed at people trying to understand chaotic dynamics, including “Order out of Chaos”, which provides a slightly more in depth discussion.

”Non-linear” is a truly unfortunate choice of term made by the fathers of Chaos Theory.

Unfortunate in what way? You mention there are mathematical definitions of “non-linear” and suggest this definition is somehow misapplied to physics? The systems described are non-linear both physically and mathematically; they undergo unpredictable state changes. It isn’t possible to predict exactly where a chaotic system far from equilibrium will stabilize next, or at what energy level it will stabilize though we observe it happening.

Reply to  PiperPaul
June 14, 2016 5:51 am

Reply to: Bartleby June 12, 2016 at 8:23 pm
I’m a big fan of Chaos and did read Gleick’s book at the time and others on the subject.
Two things have been confused, sensitivity to initial conditions and non-linear equations.

The mathematician Stanislaw Ulam remarked that to call the study of chaos “nonlinear science” was like calling zoology “the study of non-elephant animals.” (Gleick)

I will try to find time to make a more thoughtful reply but essentially, I mean’t that algorithms and computer models are sensitive to initial conditions, while the real world and complex systems can not be divorced from their histories. Stanislaw is making a deliberate understatement because most of the world is nonlinear from the point of view of the solvable equations of Mathematics.
To say that the Climate is non-linear is misleading because what is actually being said is that any algorithm or computer model of the climate is non-linear.
I’m also a fan of both Newton and Einstein and to date their ‘linear’ and therefore solvable descriptions of the cosmos are the very best we have. And I say this wanting better but also with deep appreciation for what we have achieved so far. We know non-linear models don’t work and we have known this since Gleick at least, yet we continue making computer models? Go figure!

June 10, 2016 11:37 am

just like NASA knew in 1971 that the aerosol effect overcomes the greenhouse effect and that fossil fuel emissions will bring on an ice age? the nixon knew thing (what did he know and when did he know it) does not apply to science.

Hugs
Reply to  chaamjamal
June 10, 2016 1:34 pm

#nixonknew ice age is coming?
It is good to remember the doomsayers are always with us. In what cultural or religious context the doom is about to come, differs, but humanity has a few per cent people who kind of enjoy telling the end is nigh.
But worse than doomsayers are people who want to ‘do something’ without properly thinking who really benefits from that something. [kwi: ‘bo:no:]

June 10, 2016 11:45 am

Schneiderman is protected by the ridiculously broad NY Martin Act whichmdoes not require scienter or reliance or actual damages. The other AG’s are not. CEI and others should institute a ‘deni*r’ class action civil suit against them as a group, plus Oreskes for Merchants of Doubt, plus UCS for conspiring to deprive first amendment rights under 42USC1983 and/or 1985. That is the civil equivalent of the KuKluxKlan criminal statute.

TL
June 10, 2016 11:46 am

Can we stop pretending these authoritarians are honest but confused, rather than knowingly corrupt?

Paul Penrose
Reply to  TL
June 10, 2016 11:58 am

Always take the high road; it plays better in the court of public opinion, which is where this thing will be won or lost.

Hugs
Reply to  Paul Penrose
June 10, 2016 1:37 pm

And besides, they are confused even if they were corrupt (which is a rather useless slander without evidence).

JohnKnight
Reply to  TL
June 10, 2016 3:56 pm

TL,
“Can we stop pretending these authoritarians are honest but confused, rather than knowingly corrupt?”
Well, I can, and do, but many are incredibly gullible, it seems to me . . thinking, apparently, that there is no such thing as real authoritarians . . Went extinct sometime late in the twentieth century, I guess . .

emsnews
Reply to  JohnKnight
June 10, 2016 5:04 pm

The Bilderberg gang is meeting in secrecy right now in Germany!

David Ball
Reply to  JohnKnight
June 10, 2016 8:14 pm

They also intend to hit us with the club of Rome.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  JohnKnight
June 10, 2016 9:30 pm

… and illumine us with naughty thoughts …

Terry Gednalske
Reply to  TL
June 10, 2016 11:02 pm

Absolutely! Read Dinesh DeSousa’s book, “Stealing America” and you will understand perfectly.

June 10, 2016 11:56 am

Every time there has been a contested case on the issue (there have been several EPA style fake cases, not really contested), the Warmists have lost due to silly, unscientific, exaggerated claims.

Tregonsee
June 10, 2016 11:59 am

Ah, we need a new version of the Scopes Trial for the rest of the 21st century to laugh at.

JohnKnight
Reply to  Tregonsee
June 10, 2016 4:06 pm

Do you mean laughing because it was a staged event? A publicity stunt?

Dodgy Geezer
June 10, 2016 12:04 pm

…All intelligent and learned people are ignorant about some things….
Except me, of course. I follow in the distinguished footsteps of Benjamin Jowett, Master of Balliol, of whom the doggerel rhyme went:
“Here come I, my name is Jowett.
All there is to know I know it.
I am Master of this College,
What I don’t know isn’t knowledge!”
:))

Mark Johnson
June 10, 2016 12:07 pm

The 18 USC Sec. 241 analysis is spot on.

clueless
June 10, 2016 12:07 pm

I think that it is important to point out, that at the time of Exxon’s supposed research and expertise, there was probably one person with a Phd. in “Climate” in the entire world [a Canadian??]. And certainly none on Exxon’s payroll. So, Exxon did not have any employees competent enough to comment on Climate Change either way. Exxon would have looked like fools to make any statements that were not backed up by peer reviewed studies. At that time, no “peer reviewers” existed.
Graphene was discovered a few years ago. Companies like Lockheed are investigating uses. What if 30 years from now they find out that graphene is like asbestos [I know, not possible, just illustrative]. So everyone sues Lockheed for not telling the world. When Lockheed started their research, there were no Phd’s in graphene.

Barbara
Reply to  clueless
June 10, 2016 1:30 pm

Earthjustice, San Francisco, California, USA
Earthjustice: Clients and Connections
Canadians take a look at this list.
http://www.earthjustice.org/about/clients_connections

Barbara
Reply to  Barbara
June 10, 2016 1:49 pm
ferdberple
Reply to  Barbara
June 10, 2016 2:05 pm

big list. what are we looking for?

Barbara
Reply to  Barbara
June 10, 2016 7:16 pm

Greenpeace Canada, Sierra Club Canada, David Suzuki Foundation.

Barbara
Reply to  Barbara
June 11, 2016 1:20 pm

Ecojustice Canada, Vancouver, B.C.
Honorary Board includes: Dr. David Suzuki
Board includes:
Will Roush, Conservation Director, Wilderness Workshop, Colorado
Trip Van Noppen, President of Earthjustice, USA
http://www.ecojustice.ca/people-list/board

Barbara
Reply to  Barbara
June 11, 2016 2:50 pm

Wilderness Workshop, Carbondale, Colorado, USA
Will Roush, Conservation Director
Short biography at:
http://www.wildernessworkshop.org/about/staff

MarkW
Reply to  clueless
June 13, 2016 7:07 am

Leftists have always had a schizophrenic view of big business.
On one hand they aren’t competent to run anything, which is why they need government regulators holding their hands every step of the way.
On the other hand, they are evil geniuses always trying to take over the world.

commieBob
June 10, 2016 12:09 pm

The folks who should be prosecuted are the alarmists. Their pronouncements are akin to falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater. The damages are measured in the trillions of dollars. In my humble opinion, folks like Michael Mann do belong in state pen.

Gary Hagland
June 10, 2016 12:12 pm

Great letter, but as socialist economist and IPCC WG3 Co-chair Ottmar Edenhofer said in 2010, ““…one has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth…” Climate change is the vehicle that Edenhofer and his ideological soulmates plan to ride into their brave new global socialist utopia. Besides many others, they have the help of these useful AG idiots. It is doubtful that rational arguments will carry any weight.

RockyRoad
Reply to  Gary Hagland
June 11, 2016 9:44 pm

The main consequence of implementing their distorted ideology will be the needless deaths of countless millions. Nothing good ever came out of an elitist-controlled, centralized world government.

June 10, 2016 12:13 pm

I hope, for your sake, that – unlike the RICO letter signatories – that you’ve vetted your signatories. I’m pretty sure the other 19 are privately pretty upset that Shukla was among the signers of the RICO20 letter. In their view, his criminal behavior tarnishes their entire effort and I’d bet they’d all be a lot happier if Jim Kinter had signed instead of Jagadish Shukla.

Bruce Cobb
June 10, 2016 12:15 pm

Schooled them good. Not that they’ll listen, of course. I see the letter as deliciously patronizing. It gives them a choice; either they are total ignoramuses when it comes to climate, or they are corrupt, lying authoritarians only interested in enforcing an ideology. My guess is the latter, but who knows?

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
June 10, 2016 6:36 pm

These are fairly intelligent individuals whose ambition greatly exceeds their morals. They seek to climb the ladder of Democrat politics and curry favour with that power base , enviro- socialists and the power manipulators (the Clinton’s). Check out Hillary’s personal server emails. I’ll eat my lawyer’s hat if she and Bill weren’t deeply involved in the conspiracy.

Bubba Cow
June 10, 2016 12:32 pm

I applaud the effort (and good references) but we must be careful about assumptions – what made you assume that my AG (Vermont) is neither stupid nor ignorant??

H.R.
Reply to  Bubba Cow
June 11, 2016 12:41 pm

Ouch! That left a mark, Bubba.

RockyRoad
Reply to  Bubba Cow
June 11, 2016 9:46 pm

….or the voters that support him?

June 10, 2016 12:34 pm

The RICO 20 AG’s are operating from indomitable ignorance. In their mindset, the authors of the letter are sellouts to evil energy corporations, and they are saving the world. Civil rights prosecution is about the only thing that will influence them.

June 10, 2016 12:35 pm

Marvelous- I will be forwarding a copy to my representatives and requesting insight into the actions they are taking to prevent such felonious assaults by government on our constitutional rights. This egregious attack is a logical extension after the political success derived from the Lerner agency weaponization.
I think I’ll also request an update on NASA’s success in pursuing their “foremost” goal of reaching out to “Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science, math and engineering.”

TA
Reply to  JRPort
June 10, 2016 6:04 pm

The latest I saw on NASA’s Muslin outreach is NASA is paying to send Pakistani kids to space camp.

James Nickell
June 10, 2016 12:43 pm

I graduated from law school and have been practicing law for 25 years. I can assure you that stupid people do in fact graduate from law school, pass the bar exam, and practice law. Regards, James N.

afonzarelli
Reply to  James Nickell
June 10, 2016 1:13 pm

Yeah, just this week i’m done with a dunderhead who just represented me. Next time round i think i’ll go it alone. (can’t hurt…)

Pauly
Reply to  afonzarelli
June 10, 2016 4:52 pm
Nigel S
Reply to  afonzarelli
June 11, 2016 3:45 am

‘He who represents himself has a fool for a client.’ Abraham Lincoln.
Didn’t stop me being my own divorce lawyer of course!

Reply to  afonzarelli
June 12, 2016 8:40 pm

Nigel, “He who hires representation has a fool for a lawyer” is equally profound. I’ve represented myself and won, hired representation and lost. Turns out it frequently costs the same either way.

TA
Reply to  James Nickell
June 10, 2016 6:04 pm

Some of them even become judges.

Mark T
Reply to  TA
June 10, 2016 10:13 pm

And Presidents of the United States of America.

Reply to  TA
June 11, 2016 11:47 am

+100 Mark

TCE
June 10, 2016 12:44 pm

As I have commented many times: Global Warming / Climate Change will never stand up in a U. S. court of law under competent cross examination.

TA
Reply to  TCE
June 10, 2016 6:06 pm

I agree. No way will CAGW hold up to serious examination.

Reply to  TCE
June 10, 2016 6:10 pm

It might stand up in court in the U.S.S.A.

Simon Hopkinson
June 10, 2016 12:44 pm

Now, why would Michaels have said there were no easily quantifiable costs?

I think you meant Maibach.

Simon Hopkinson
Reply to  Simon Hopkinson
June 10, 2016 12:45 pm

Oh.. duh.. Michaels was talking to Maibach. I’m up to speed now 🙂

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