Possible Explanation For Warm Ocean Water Off the Oregon Coast Known as “The Blob.”

Guest opinion: Dr. Tim Ball

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You learn right away when studying climate that geothermal heat is ignored as a possible heat source in the climate equation. Textbooks consider the Sun as the sole source of heat. I corrected the omission in the climate portion of a textbook I produced, but it didn’t change the situation. As with everything in climate, knowledge and understanding are in their infancy, as new evidence and limitations are regularly identified. This occurs despite the hindrance of political and financial road blocks created by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and their proponents. Skeptics continue to prove the science isn’t settled. The IPCC had to limit their research to only human causes of climate change because including natural sources makes that portion inconsequential. The unintended consequence of this decision was confirmation that you cannot determine the human portion if you don’t know the natural portion and its variability. They created their own Catch 22.

The effect of geothermal on global heat energy balance is still generally rejected, but various local effects keep the issue on the radar. These include the recent story on Greenland melt rates and the role of geothermal in Antarctica. They trigger questions about the number of volcanoes active below sea level and briefly resurrect the geothermal issue. The examples presented are almost all related to geothermal heat accelerating glacier melt and restricted to ocean related glaciers, but land-based glaciers are also affected. Usually, this involves increased basal melting and accelerated movement creating “galloping glaciers.”

I developed an interest in the role of geothermal heat as a source affecting oceans and thereby global water and air temperatures while pursuing Soviet submarines in the North Atlantic in the Cold War. Knowledge of the layers of water temperature with depth was essential for the pattern of noise transmission and the efficiency of our electronic capacity to track submarines. I was always amazed at the variation in temperature with depth even in the upper 300 m, especially the number of inversion layers. Later, I worked with the late Roger Pocklington on his transect of water temperatures from Newfoundland to Bermuda and the impact on the cod fisheries.

I became aware of the mid-Atlantic ridge, its length, and proximity to the surface (Figure 1). It is like a giant heating rod constantly pumping heat into the ocean. I am unaware of any calculations of the amount of that heat, but because it is so close to the surface, an impact on surface water temperatures is possible.

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Figure 1

There are two issues in play; the total impact of geothermal heat on the ocean temperatures, and the regional impact of specific hot spots, especially around volcanoes. There are insufficient measures of the extent or magnitude of temperature input by conduction or convection through direct contact with magma (average temperature of 1350°C) with bottom water.

It’s hard to find vents and active volcanoes in the deep ocean.  To do so, scientists can use a CTD instrument package that measures the conductivity, temperature, and depth in the ocean. Changes in temperature and the cloudiness of the water may be a sign of a hot spring site or erupting underwater volcano.

This also applies to the amount of heat input around the ridges where the crust is thin.

 

In many places, the magma simply wells up beneath the weakened and thin areas of crust and fills in the cracks and fissures without ever breaking the surface.

 

In late 2013 an area of warm water known as “The Blob” appeared off the Oregon coast in the northwest Pacific. The media, with the help of climate alarmists, immediately began making links to global warming, El Nino, and weather events such as the drought in Oregon. The obsession and hysteria with human responsibility for all weather and climate changes created by the IPCC eliminate any consideration of natural, that is non-manmade, explanations. Most of the public think El Nino is a new manmade phenomenon.

At the Heartland Climate Conference in Washington DC., last summer, Dennis Groh, a retired professional engineer, approached me with his calculations and explanation for a geothermal source for the Blob. He identified the source of as the Axial Seamount, one of the most detailed and constantly monitored volcanic regions in the world (Figures 2, 3, 4)

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Figure 2

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Figure 3

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Figure 4

Preliminary calculations of the amount of heat produced from the Axial Seamount and contained in the Blob are revealing. The following are Dennis Groh’s calculations of that possibility.

History of events:

1998 January 25-3; 11- day earthquake but most lava moved in the first few days. Lava flow 13m thick, estimated volume 18,000 – 76,000 km 3 NOAA estimate 200 million cubic meters. A rectangular caldera 3 km x 8 km.

April 2011: Volcano subsided by more than 2.4 m. Lava flow 2 km wide and 3 times larger than 1998, so

(3) (0.018 – 0.076 km 3) Density of basalt 3.0 x 103 Kg/m3

Average temperature of ocean 2°C. Deep ocean temperature @ 3.5% salinity is (0°C – 3°C).

Blob off Oregon (1 -3°C warmer)

1000 miles’ x 1000 miles’ x 300 ft.

5.28e+6 x 5.28e+6 x 3.00e2 ft

27.88 e+6 ft2 x 3.00e2 ft

8368.52e6 ft3

 

8.363e9 ft3

8.363e9 ft3 of water @ 22°C

p = 62.4lbs/ft3

(8.363e9 ft3 )( 62.4lbs/ft3) = 521.88e9lbs = 5.22e11lbs

(5.22e11lbs)(453.59gms/lb) =2367.21e11 gms

or 2.37e14 gms

Amount of energy required to raise 2.37e14 gms

Heat capacity of water 15°C ~ 4.184 Joules/gm°C (5°C – 60°C 4.20 – 4.18)

1°C (1) 4.184 joules x 2.37e14 = 9.90e14 joules

2°C (2) 4.184 joules x 2.37e14 = 19.81e14 joules 1.98xe15

3°C (3) 4.184 joules x 2.37e14 = 29.71e14 joules 2.97xe15

4°C (4) 4.184 joules x 2.37e14 = 49.58e14 joules 4.96xe16

Assumption no generation of steam phase change.

2015 Axial Volcano subsidence essentially equal to 2011, so assumption estimated volume is the same for lava flow. 99×106 m3

99×106 m3 (magma ®basalt) x (3×103 Kg/m3) = 297×109 Kg

2.97×1011 Kg of basalt from magma.

(1) Energy to cool magma to melt point from 1300°C ®1200°C

Heat capacity of magma 1.0x 103 J/Kg°C

(2.97×1011 Kg)(1.0×103 J/Kg) (1.0×102C)

[2.97×1016 Joules] Þ{0.297×1017 Joules}

(2) Latent heat for crystallization of basalt

(4.0×105 J/Kg)(2.97×1011 Kg) = 11.88 x 1016

[1.19×1017 Joules]

(3) Energy to cool basalt from melt point to ocean temperature @ one mile deep

1200°C ® 0°C (assumption @ I mile depth no steam escapes)

heat capacity of basalt 1.4×103 J/Kg°C

(2.97×1011 Kg)(1.4×103 J/Kg°C) (1.2×103 °C) = 4.99×1017

[4.99×1017 Joules]

1 +2 + 3 Þ 6.21×1017 Joules [over 3 days Þ 2.4×1012 watts @caldera opening ®100,000watts/m2

6.21×1017 Joules could raise 2.37×1014 gms of water

(6.21×1017 Joules) 6,120×1014

4.184/gm°C (2.37×1014gms) = 9.92×1014 = 626°C

The amount of energy from the magma was far in excess of what was needed to supply the heat necessary to create the “Blob anomaly.” The IPCC omits many variables in their political goal to produce predetermined results. Unfortunately, because of the narrow focus, the IPCC created, even regular climatology and climate science omits, ignores, or doesn’t even now about many factors. Some of this occurs because of the diversion of research funding almost exclusively to proving their anthropogenic global warming (AGW) hypothesis. Every single factor is important to achieve levels of understanding for accurate short and long-term forecasting. In the blame game, the omission of anything that affects the global energy balance that is even half the amount claimed as the human contribution is important. Since the human portion is a minuscule amount, this means that virtually every natural source, including geothermal heat, is critical.

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April 9, 2016 6:02 pm

I am inclined to discount volcanism and go with Bob Tisdale because his temperature animation shows the ancestral Blob crossing the Pacific. It looks very much like the warm water was pushed along by winds, was at first blocked from reaching the coast by cool La Nina water (green) sitting there, eventually got rid of it, and was then pushed up against the coast by winds. The winds in this case would be westerlies, parallel to the the upper part of the North Pacific gyre. It would be interesting to find out if there were associated sea level changes at the coast. Chances are that the blob originated by accident when these winds deviated from their regular path to pick up warm water from the Indo-Pacific Warm Pool.

Carla
April 9, 2016 6:25 pm

Gravity map uncovers sea-floor surprises
http://www.nature.com/news/gravity-map-uncovers-sea-floor-surprises-1.16048
Sharpest pictures yet of the ocean basins reveal uncharted volcanoes and other geological wonders.
02 October 2014
…..The latest data have now made the map at least twice as good. “Everything is getting sharper and popping into focus,” says Sandwell.
In the old map, scientists could detect the underwater volcanoes known as seamounts if the features rose more than about 2 kilometres from the seafloor. In the latest map, as many as 20,000 previously unknown seamounts, between 1.5 and 2 kilometres high, pop into view scattered along relatively young sections of the sea floor, says Sandwell……
And with some 2014 data a data viewer
Bathymetric Data Viewer
https://maps.ngdc.noaa.gov/viewers/bathymetry/
This one is for Willis.
We don’t think ONE volcano heats an entire ocean. Were looking for “hotspots” that create temperature anomalies that rise to the surface.. hello
Scientists Are Mapping the World’s Largest Volcano
An expedition to Tamu Massif in the Pacific Ocean finds some surprises.
By Brian Clark Howard, National Geographic
PUBLISHED NOVEMBER 21, 2015
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/11/151121-mapping-tamu-massif-worlds-largest-volcano-geology-science/
…Tamu Massif lies about 1,000 miles (1,600 kilometers) east of Japan. It is a rounded dome, or shield volcano, measuring 280 by 400 miles (450 by 650 kilometers). Its top lies more than a mile (about 2,000 meters) below the ocean surface and is 50 times larger than the biggest active volcano on Earth, Hawaii’s Mauna Loa……

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April 9, 2016 6:36 pm

Carla April 9, 2016 at 6:25 pm

This one is for Willis.
We don’t think ONE volcano heats an entire ocean. Were looking for “hotspots” that create temperature anomalies that rise to the surface.. hello

Hello to you too, Carla. Actually, he IS saying that one volcano (or to be more precise, a chunk of rift zone which is erupting sheet lava along a portion of its length) is responsible for the Warm Blob.
You go on to say

Scientists Are Mapping the World’s Largest Volcano
An expedition to Tamu Massif … etc etc …

I’m sorry, but while the Tamu Massif is indeed fascinating, the question at hand is the eruption of the Axial volcano and whether it released enough heat to fuel “The Blob” of warm water on the US West Coast.
The answer is no, there was nowhere near enough heat released to do it, it was inadequate by orders and orders of magnitude.
Thanks,
w.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
April 9, 2016 7:13 pm

The Tamu Massif shield volcano erupted during the Cretaceous and could have contributed to the warmth of seas at that time and their invasion of the continents.
The heat of oceans during the mid-Cretaceous is hard to fathom, if that’s the right word. We’re talking hot tub temperature in the tropics.

April 9, 2016 7:48 pm

From what I can find the continental crusts range from 15 to 40 miles thick. The ocean crust is about 4 to 6 miles thick. Given the same approximate heat transfer coefficient for rock, the R or resistance, will be greater and the conductance, 1/R, will be much lower for continental crust than for oceanic crust. The geothermal flux through the oceanic floor will be on the order of 357.142857% to 700.000000% greater than the continental geothermal heat flux. With all those significant figures how can I possibly be wrong?

Carla
Reply to  Nicholas Schroeder
April 10, 2016 8:19 am

Nicholas Schroeder April 9, 2016 at 7:48 pm
From what I can find the continental crusts range from 15 to 40 miles thick. The ocean crust is about 4 to 6 miles thick.
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In addition more recent articles have stated that in some under ocean locations the lithosphere is thin and in some areas absent, NONE.

April 10, 2016 9:21 am

Power Flux, W/m^2 = (U, (W-in) / (m^2-°C) *A, m^2 * Δ °C)
Wiki: R-value (insulation)
R, Poured concrete……….0.014, (m^2 – K ) / (W-in)
1/R = U = 71.43 (W-in) / (m^2 – K)

Ocean Floor
Thickness, km            .... 4         ....  6
Thickness, in            .... 157500    ....  236250
Conductance, W/m^2 – ΔC  .... 4.54E-04  ....  3.02E-04
W/m^2                    .... 2.7       ....  1.8
Earth's Surface
Thickness, km            ....  25       ....  70
Thickness, in            ....  984375   ....  2756250
Conductance, W/m^2 – ΔC  .... 7.26E-05  ....  2.59E-05
W/m^2                    ....  0.43     ....  0.16

Temperature of Earth’s Core, 6,000.0 °C
Temperature at Bottom of Ocean, 2.5 °C
Temperature at Surface of Earth, 15.0 °C
Core / Ocean Difference, 5,997.5 Δ °C
Core / Surface Difference, 5,985.0 Δ °C
Ocean – 70%
Surface – 30%
Weighted Power Flux, W/m^2 …. 2.03 …. 1.32
Not inconsequential. Comparable to 1750 to 2011 anthro CO2 RF.
Submitted for R&C.
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Reply to  Nicholas Schroeder
April 10, 2016 9:36 am

Thanks for the note. I think my point comes across.
Any advice for inserting Excel, tables, jpegs, etc.
[Tabular formats of a few columns work best with the html block characters “pre” (in angle brackets of course).
When very long tables (many complex columns) a link to a on-line spreadsheet (or a screen capture image of a spreadsheet) is usually more clear because the screen scrolls differently horizontally in many people’s web browers.
Long column descriptions are tricky.
As always, try Anthony’s “Test” page if you have doubts or want to experiment. .mod]

Reply to  Nicholas Schroeder
April 10, 2016 11:30 am

Nick, if you are claiming 2 watts/m2 coming up through the ocean floor, that is an order of magnitude larger than anyone else’s estimates that I’ve seen. I suspect your error is that the bottom of the lithosphere, which is down about four-six km below the ocean floor, is much cooler than the temperature of the core. The thermal gradient is generally given as 25°C per kilometer, which makes the difference on the order of 125°C under the ocean and 1000°C under the continents.
Also, your units are wrong. You have thermal conductivity in W/m^2 per degree C, and it should be in W/m/°C.
Finally, the thermal conductance of the earth is not 4.54E-4 of whatever units you are using. It is about 3 W/m/°C.
So, for heat flow through the ocean bottom we get
3 W/m/°C *125°C / (4 km * 1000 m/km) =
3 *125 W/m / 4000 m
= 0.1 W/m2
This is in line with the numbers that I’ve seen from observational estimates. See here for further details.
Regards,
w.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
April 10, 2016 1:44 pm

Thanks for the explanation. Now, are there measurements to confirm the calculations?

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
April 10, 2016 1:45 pm

The “here” link doesn’t work.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
April 10, 2016 4:35 pm

Looked around some. Found a paper from 1954. Records also exit for O&G exploration. Units of micro calorie per cm square per sec. Converting that to W/m^2 was challenging. For example 6.5 microcal / cm^2 – s works out to be about 0.24 W/m^2.

April 10, 2016 11:16 am

In this and many similar blogs us participants bicker about how the living room furniture is arranged around the elephant. That elephant is the obvious fact that CAGW theory fails fundamental science, i.e. heat transfer, thermodynamics, chemistry, statistics, S-B black body, et. al.
The greenhouse and blanket analogies are simplistic, incomplete and flawed. Anybody understands their house’s heat loss and balance, loss through the walls with heat replaced by the furnace and how insulation slows that heat loss (blanket). Shoot, the guy/gal at Home Depot, if you can find them, can explain it.
ToA is just like your house, when the heat leaving (poor insulation, leaky windows, open door, increased albedo) exceeds the heat entering (furnace, solar), the house cools. Put on a blanket, add insulation, weather stripping, turn up the thermostat.
When the heat leaving (reduced/impeded by insulation, GHGs, blankets, etc.) is less than the heat entering (furnace, solar), the house gets warm (turn down thermostat, open a window or door, turn on AC, increase albedo, absorb in that Trombe wall (ocean) for the night).
As seen in Trenberth’s paper Figure 10 (Atmospheric Moisture Transports from Ocean to Land and Global Energy Flows in Reanalyses) this ToA balance is uncertain and apparently still in some dispute. 7 of 8 say net cooling.
We need to address climate fundamentals and uncertainties in ways that even Leonardo can understand.

CM
Reply to  Nicholas Schroeder
April 11, 2016 12:31 pm

Nicholas Schroeder is absolutely right. The elephant in the room is the planetary heat flux. Heat flows into the planet radially in the tropics, flows poleward and then radially back out to the surface. Furthermore, the ocean floor is a massive heat exchanger between the crust and the oceans.
Take a look at your family globe. It’s about a foot in diameter. Visualize the thickness of the oceans and atmosphere. It’s as thin as a piece of paper. Now visualize the heat flux through the planet. You don’t think the activity below that paper-thin outer layer is influencing climate? Come on.
This is obviously not well modeled and there just isn’t sufficient data to derive reasonable estimates of the heat flux, let alone variation in the heat flux. Think plate tectonics. Think volcanism. What’s going on below the crust? We should expect meaningful variability in heat flux.
As for the 0.1 W/m2 estimated flux, the climate kooks are only claiming a 0.5 W/m2 surplus (which means it’s probably at most a fraction of that). We’re on the same order of magnitude here.
Clearly, this physical system could be variable enough to account for ALL of the noise in the climate data. It almost certainly contributes to the chaos in the system.

April 10, 2016 12:13 pm

Mr. Layman here again.
I think this post and the comments illustrate one the things that makes WUWT an honest “blog review”.
Dr. Ball put forth an explanation (magma etc.) for the “Blob” off the coast of Oregon.
The honorary “Dr.” Tisdale put forth that there was a “Blob” moving in that direction before then.
If the Oregon “Blob” is hotter now than Bob’s “Blob”, then both have contributed though neither had the whole story.
The net gain is that we know more.
No RICO or ego need be involved.

mogamboguru
April 11, 2016 6:54 am

While regularly visiting Anthony’s great Sea Ice Page on WUWT, I have noticed that during the past winter in the NH two VERY warm blobs of warm water have occurred to the west, as well as to the southeast of Spitzbergen/Svalbart in the Arctic Ocean, which were NOT there during former winters – see: http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/sst/ophi/color_anomaly_NPS_ophi0.png I have tried to receive an explanation for these blobs in the NCEP-graphic in different places, yet to no avail. As there’s no other means to heat up these two maritime areas, which span several hundred squaremiles each and have been heated up at least 8 degrees Centigrate above normal than volcanism, these two blobs extremely look like they are caused by hydrothermal vents to me. While these two warm blobs of water have substantially contributed to the widely discussed recuction of sea ice area in the Arctic Ocean during this winter, I would think that researching the exact reasons for the existence of these two blobs would be more than justified – i.e. if one was REALLY looking for the reason(s) for their existence.
Nevermind.

M E Emberson
April 11, 2016 2:07 pm

http://www.crystalinks.com/rof.html Pacific Rim of Fire a nice map of plate tectonics etc It may be of use to someone!