Guest opinion: Dr. Tim Ball
In his fascinating 1950 book “Unpopular Essays,” mathematician and philosopher Bertrand Russell wrote that
“Most of the greatest evils that man has inflicted upon man have come through people feeling quite certain about something which, in fact, is false.”
He explained how the nature of people made such inflictions possible.
The demand for certainty is one which is natural to man, but is nevertheless an intellectual vice. So long as men are not trained to withhold judgment in the absence of evidence, they will be led astray by cocksure prophets, and it is likely that their leaders will be either ignorant fanatics or dishonest charlatans. To endure uncertainty is difficult, but so are most of the other virtues.
Over the last fifty years the evil inflicted involved exploitation of a new and necessary idea – environmentalism and its subset global warming.
The “cock-sure prophets” are environmentalists and global warming advocates who push the claim that only they know and care about the environment. They are secular proselytizers of the new paradigm of environmentalism, which they turned into the religion of environmentalism. After 20 years the doom and gloom predictions they made and scares they inflicted proved incorrect, while those who said they were wrong are proving correct.
A paradigm shift is a significant change in approach or assumptions of a society that takes everything in a different direction; it happened with the shift to environmentalism. Most people are slow to accept a new paradigm because they fear change. They know that when a change occurs some get hurt and some benefit and fear they will get hurt. However, there is always a small group who grab the paradigm shift and exploit it for their agenda either financial or political or both. They become the “cock-sure prophets”.
We are all environmentalists, but a few grabbed the title and claimed only they cared about the environment and preached to us from that moral high ground. Global warming became the major vehicle for their political attack on developed societies because it transcended national boundaries and demanded a one-world government response. They created and spread a multitude of scare stories about different aspects of the environment to perpetuate the lie. H. L. Mencken succinctly explained the objective in two quotes,
The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve. This is true even of the pious brethren who carry the gospel to foreign parts.
The stories are a mix of macro and micro issues all built around the claim that they are the direct or indirect result of human existence, exacerbated by industrial progress. The list of macros included desertification, deforestation, extinction of species, habitation loss, rising sea levels, destruction of the ozone layer, hazardous waste sites, asbestos contamination, acid rain, and ocean acidification among others. The list of micro issues is longer and includes, sheep going blind in Chile, frogs born deformed, lower human sperm counts, coral reefs destroyed, a multitude of animal populations in decline, and on and on ad nausea.
I know from serving on many commissions of inquiry that only limited investigation reveals very different truths. This experience includes chairing panels to resolve supposed environmental challenges including threats to air, soil, water, and forests. I chaired the Hazardous Waste Committee of the City of Winnipeg and provided evidence for trials involving weather, climate, and environmental issues. The difference between the media reports, public understanding and the facts was vast and frightening, but despite this, the stories drive public policy. Few politicians dare to challenge and so they create unnecessary, inappropriate and often damaging policy. Like modern crusaders they don the cloak of green, not to deal with the facts but to deflect charges that they don’t care.
The media report these stories because sensationalism sells and they accept without question the claims of the extent of our impact on the environment. In the US, the media fail to fulfill the role defined by the Founding Fathers at the Continental Congress in 1776.
The last right we shall mention regards the freedom of the press. The importance of this consists, besides the advancement of truth, science, morality, and arts in general, in its diffusion of liberal sentiments on the administration of Government, its ready communication of thoughts between subjects, and its consequential promotion of union among them, whereby oppressive officers are shamed or intimidated into more honourable and just modes of conducting affairs.
They did not identify the role of academics, likely because they assumed they would pursue the truth. In fact, academics manifest the problems that develop when you are on welfare. As Henry Canby said,
Arrogance, pedantry, and dogmatism are the occupational diseases of those who spend their lives directing the intellects of the young.
A few academics question the prevailing wisdom by design or accident and immediately experience attacks, which includes expulsion to isolate. Judith Curry is now well aware of what happens.
Aaron Wildavsky was a political scientist, specializing in public policy, government budgeting, and risk management. Wildavsky confronted what Michael Crichton identified as the biggest challenge facing mankind. In a 2003 speech to the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco he said,
I have been asked to talk about what I consider the most important challenge facing mankind, and I have a fundamental answer. The greatest challenge facing mankind is the challenge of distinguishing reality from fantasy, truth from propaganda. Perceiving the truth has always been a challenge to mankind, but in the information age (or as I think of it, the disinformation age) it takes on a special urgency and importance.
Wildavsky set out to determine the truth about environmental threats by using the proper scientific method of posing a question and testing it with experiments. The question he posed was, “But is it true?” that later became the title of his posthumously published (1995) book. The experiment involved graduate students with no science degrees asking the question and seeking the origin and validity of the various environmental stories.
A 1995 article summarized some of the findings;
• “The ban on DDT, one of the first great triumphs of modern environmentalism (and a tribute to Rachel Carson’s Silent Spring), did “more harm than good.”
• Despite the hysterical fears of parents, asbestos in schools poses no detectable danger to children.
• There is no evidence that acid rain poses significant danger to the environment except in a few isolated places (such as some high-altitude forests).
• Most hazardous waste sites (including such notorious ones as Love Canal in upstate New York and Times Beach in Missouri) posed no significant danger to residents. The government’s extraordinarily costly Superfund program for cleaning up such sites is, on the whole, a waste of money.
• There is no credible evidence to support fears of global warming.
• “there is no clear evidence of global ozone depletion,” that there is good reason to believe that what depletion there may have been has nothing to do with CFCs and that there are “strong indications that the harm from [ozone] depletion will vary from little to none.”
Today, 20+ years later, the validity of these findings is confirmed. They are all victims of what Wildavsky identified as the basic flaw of absolutism in environmentalism. He asked,
“What norm states that health is the only value or even the dominant value?” “Whatever happened to other values? How much is a marginal gain in health worth compared with losses in other values such as freedom, justice, and excellence?”
In an entry for The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics, Wildavsky anticipated the ascendancy of government bureaucracies as politicians didn’t ask questions and covered themselves with the cloak of green.
Since the late 1950s, the regulation of risks to health and safety has taken on ever-greater importance in public policy debates—and actions. In its efforts to protect citizens against hard-to-detect hazards such as industrial chemicals and against obvious hazards in the workplace and elsewhere, Congress has created or increased the authority of the Food and Drug Administration, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Occupational Health and Safety Administration, the Federal Trade Commission’s Bureau of Consumer Protection and other administrative agencies.
Appearing before the Canadian parliamentary hearing on ozone I abandoned my prepared presentation. I realized quickly while listening to evidence and questioning of others that the politicians didn’t understand the scientific method. They didn’t realize that a scientific hypothesis is scientific speculation and assumed it was fact. I provided a scientific speculation based on evidence.
· Earth’s rotational speed is reducing.
· The magnetic field has weakened for 1000 years.
· If it continues at the current rate, the field will disappear in approximately 120 years.
· Some evidence indicates mass extinctions associated with previous collapses.
· Protection from some harmful solar radiation is gone.
· Some claim DNA is particularly vulnerable to exposure to ultraviolet radiation.
I asked what my government planned to do to prevent this threat? I told them I could produce dozens of such speculative threats. Their challenge was to know which ones were valid and to establish priorities because they could not deal with them all. Wildavsky provides an excellent synopsis of risk and priorities in the Encyclopedia of Economics article titled “Risk and Safety.”
Global warming was another untested scientific hypothesis, just like all the others. They never asked the fundamental scientific method question, but is it true? Instead, they attacked those who tried to ask. Global warming was bigger than all the other false threats as evidenced by the 2015 Paris Climate Conference. It was wrapped in the wider environmental envelope by powerful people who assumed the speculation was fact. The best place to see the worst confusion and display of gross misunderstanding created by accepting speculation as fact is the Encyclical Letter “Laudato Si” from Pope Francis. It is a paper that should fail as a first-year university course or High school research paper. It lacks evidence, fails to explain mechanisms, lacks objectivity, and fails to consider development and progress as part of natural human evolution. Sadly, it received a high grade from “cock-sure prophets, the media, academics, and teachers who represent and perpetuate societies demand for certainty.
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That is so true. I usually put it another way, “the most dangerous people are the people too stupid to realize they are wrong.” If you don’t know you are wrong, there is no reason for them to stop doing what they are doing. Socialists are great examples, no matter how many times they fail, they just keep believing in a lie. They keep running the exact failed experiment over and over and over expecting a different outcome.
Socialists believe the end justifies the means, whether it’s right or wrong !
Ambitious, stupid officers will get everyone killed. Fire them immediately. link
The Ur-example in American history– Gen. George Custer
I’d actually contend the opposite has a larger degree of truth: “The most dangerous people are the people too smart to realize they are wrong.”
Intelligent, educated, clever people have many more intellectually dishonest tools to deflect contradiction and criticism, and the pesky cognitive dissonance they inspire, than simpletons. They can rationalize, craft ambiguous language, spot-the-fallacy nitpick, decry “anti-intellectualism”, etc. And they are the ones with the talent and drive to ultimately get into positions of power in the greater society.
Basically, the smarter you are, the better you are at lying to yourself.
University educators (read: indoctrinators) are very good at getting smart young people to lie to themselves when they want to push their politics. They play to the ego (which talent and ability tends to enlarge). They play to that general sense of adolescent rebellion that hasn’t completely faded. They conjure up a nemesis in the form of “anti-intellectualism” and/or “anti-science”, and talk about how these sinister forces are on the march. How these can only be held at bay by standing together for truth and reason (read: whatever politics they consider true and reasonable).
Many students will accept a stifling intellectual conformity on campus because it’s framed as a noble rebellion against a stifling conformity in the world at large. And the indoctrinators can deny that they tell students what to think. They’re in the business of teaching “how” to think, thank you very much. (read: how to think in such a way that you come to the exact same conclusions I do).
Philip E. Tetlock has written a book, Expert Political Judgment: How Good Is It? How Can We Know? Over many years he asked experts to make predictions about world events; eg. is this criminal reformed, will the USSR break up, will Canada break up, etc. Much of the book is dedicated to deciding whether the experts were actually wrong. They had many reasons (ie. ‘many more intellectually dishonest tools’) to assert that they weren’t. For example they might assert that they were right but merely got the timing wrong. (Canada didn’t break up but just you wait.)
Tetlock should be required reading for everybody. A dart throwing monkey is just as good at predicting as are the experts, especially those who are the most confident and compelling. Everybody (especially the experts) should understand the limitations of expertise and the hazards of hubris.
When I was a school boy, we studied the foundations of our culture; Shakespeare, The Bible, and the Greek myths.
The Greeks gave name to a fatal flaw in human character; hubris. Shakespeare and the Bible provided plentiful examples. The Bible preached the virtues of humility. The other works furnished corroborating evidence.
Our education gave us an inkling that there was such a thing as wisdom. Even the dullest of us understood that overconfidence was the opposite of wisdom. Our culture celebrated the likes of Bertrand Russell, G.K. Chesterton, H.L. Mencken, Northrop Frye, etc.
Things have slipped in the wisdom department. Oprah is about as good as it gets (if you like platitudes). Overconfidence is celebrated as a virtue.
Leif. Many thanks for your patience. I appreciate your commitment to truth.
Just a note about the head graphic “truth/lies”.
How about “best practices/grant approvals”
Well, some 50 to 60 years ago, environmental pollution was a serious issue in the industrialized areas (I guess that does let out Winnipeg) of all western countries, as is now the case in China for example. Environmentalism took a wrong turn after those issues had been sorted out.
And once again we get to read about the tired old DDT ban canard. DDT is not banned for use against malaria; this application is legal and regulated under the Stockholm protocol. (Indeed, considering that DDT has become something of a poster child for misguided environmentalist
activism, it is a little ironic that it is one of very few organochlorides to retain such approval.
In contrast, dieldrin and several other organochloride compounds have been
banned categorically under the Stockholm convention.)
DDT continues to be manufactured in and commercially available from India. There, its use against malaria continues, but mosquito resistance (which was first observed very shortly after its introduction) is now so widespread as to render it almost useless, and it has mostly been superseded by other insecticides. The ban of DDT for agricultural use did, if anything, slow down selection of mosquito resistance and thereby extend its useful life for malaria control.
For those interested in more details, I have written a memo on the subject that includes a number of useful references.
Rachel Carson was a misguided environmentalist who grossly overstated the threat from DDT, and grossly understated the benefits in the 1960s.
I offer two brief quotes summarizing the benefits of DDT, one from the CDC, and the other from your own report.
The DDT scare was similar to the scare about acid rain, the hole in the ozone layer, global cooling, and now global warming — environmentalists grossly overstating risks to get attention, funding, and crony capitalists looking for government subsidies.
Your post gives the impression that environmentalists were 100% correct about DDT, when in fact, they were speculating, and wild guessing, as usual.
US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention:
“Successes (using DDT) included elimination in nations with temperate climates and seasonal malaria transmission. Some countries such as India and Sri Lanka had sharp reductions in the number of cases, followed by increases to substantial levels after efforts ceased. ”
Source of above quote:
http://www.cdc.gov/malaria/about/history/
YOUR QUOTE:
“Only a few years after almost complete eradication (of malaria from DDT), case numbers skyrocketed in an epidemic of sorts in 1968 and 1969. DDT use was subsequently reinstated.
Further reading for people who care about accurate science:
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/summ02/Carson.html
The point is not that DDT did not work — of course it did. The point is that its use against malaria was not banned. The reason it was not banned is that the signatories of the Stockholm protocol realized that, when used properly, the benefits of DDT outweigh the risks.
Very interesting
Most political manifestations come from a fear of death. From that we want to predict our world, and want certain outcomes. If we can live forever, well, so much the better. Prophecies of doom therefore hit the extinction button all the time, but with constant use, it gets worn out. So when they sell us cars, they sell us sex. When they sell us subjugation, they sell us extinction.
As I like to tell my teenage grandchildren: I’m too old to know everything.
I don’t know if anyone else noticed (haven’t read all the way through the comments, as this one caught my eye first, but apparently went unnoticed by the first group to comment), but Aaron Wildavsky could only have addressed anyone in 2003, much less the Commonwealth Club, during a séance, or mAybe via a Ouija Board, since he died in 1993. Dr. Ball, or mods, please correct the year of that conference?
Perhaps not the most unambigous writing, but he who spoke to the Commonwealth Club 2003 was Michael Crichton, addressing the same problem as Aaron Wildavsky once did. At least that’s how I read it.
Well this thread got off track in a hurry, and never came back.
The main point was that a group of people with no science background were exposed to a relatively brief training in the scientific method, and then sent to look at the big environmental issues of that time period. They correctly identified the misinformation that the public was willingly accepting in very short order.
20 years on, nothing has changed. The CAGW debacle should have ended with “CO2’s effects are logarithmic”. Yet here we are debating a few hundredths of a degree year after year after year instead.
Leif,
The paper that you quote above that asserted that the standard geomagnetic model can be fiddled with to ‘explain’ the sudden acceleration of the North magnetic drift velocity from 15 km/year to 55 km/year does not refer to the before European geomagnetic specialty satellite data.
The paper you refer provides zero physical explanation as to the reason why there should suddenly be a massive change in fluid motion in the core of the earth starting in the mid 1990s which is immaterial as a core based self generating geomagnetic field model to has a limited speed of change of field intensity (the self generating model is change is limited to 5%/century) as the mantel is slightly conductive and will generate a back emf to resist fast field changes.
The SWARM data supports the assertion that the geomagnetic field intensity is currently dropping at 5%/decade which is ten times faster it was previously dropping (5%/century) and is ten times faster than a core based self dynamo geomagnetic field model is capable of. Above I provided a link to multiple peer reviewed data that shows the geomagnetic field has abruptly changed in periods of a year which is impossible for the self dynamo model as the a back emf is generated which resists a core base change.
I also included a link to a paper that notes there are unexplained cyclic changes to the geomagnetic field in the paleo record (there is a very interesting NOVA program that was produced which explains the methodology that was used to find the cyclic abrupt changes to the geomagnetic field through the study of fired tiles by the French) and the cyclic changes to the geomagnetic field correlate with large and very large climate changes.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-s-magnetic-field-flip-could-happen-sooner-than-expected/
P.S. There are hundreds and hundreds of astronomical paradoxes and anomalies that have the same explanation (related to the physics of what happens when a very large body collapses) as to how the sun is different than the standard model. Note there are now specialists in peer reviewed papers that are calling out the fact that are paradoxes that need to be explained for the astronomical observation and fro the geomagnetic observations. The geomagnetic observations and a dozen different solar system observations point to the sun as the cause the paradoxes for cyclic abrupt climate change and cyclic abrupt geomagnetic field changes. There are almost every month new astronomical paradoxes. It is comical that no one has tried to make the astronomical paradoxes go away it is absurdly obvious the paradoxes are linked.
See below paper that notes the solar convection zone motion is 100 times less than the standard solar model predicts. The solar convection motion cannot be 100 times slower than theory if the primary and only mechanism of transport of heat/energy from the radiative zone out through the convection zone to the surface of the sun is surface of the sun is primarily thermal convection.
What new mechanism is required to quickly transport energy from the core of the sun which is around 10 millions degrees Kelvin to the surface of the sun? Hint this additional energy transfer mechanism is not completely effective (some energy is left in the particle that is moving from the core of the sun to the surface of the sun) which explains why the solar coronal is around 1 million degrees Kelvin. A hint of the mechanism is the solar wind accelerates in the vicinity of the sun.
P.S. Another hint is something caused the geomagnetic field to drop in intensity ten times faster than a core based change is capable of, starting sometime in mid 1990s. Another hint is there are burn marks on the surface of the earth and that correlate in time with the most rapid change in C14 in the paleo record (the C14 change is caused by a massive rapid change to the geomagnetic field) that correlates with the Younger Dryas abrupt climate change (11,900 years ago) at which time the planet went from interglacial warm to glacial cold at a time in which solar insolation at maximum. The YD abrupt cooling duration was 1200 years. The duration of cooling is also a hint as to the mechanism.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120709092457.htm
http://www.pnas.org/content/109/30/11928.full.pdf
ANOMALOUSLY WEAK SOLAR CONVECTION
http://sciences.blogs.liberation.fr/home/files/Courtillot07EPSL.pdf
http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/BardPapers/responseCourtillotEPSL07.pdf
I am thinking one Dr should take heed of the comment. “Follow him who searches the truth, beware of him who has found it”
Shame Wildavsky didn’t take up the wildly speculative claim that burning half of the earth’s recoverable fossil fuel stores has no deliterious effect on climate system, oceans or human society.
Oh, we could build a superconducting line along the equator and start electric current in it to aid terrestrial magnetic field.
Questions:
1. What current is needed (in amperes) to have a noticeable effect?
2. How much would it cost (to build &. operate)?
3. Who would pay for it?
Only if we knew for certain how Earth’s magnetic field is generated.
Past 7ky period fluctuations in the radial field can be seen in this animation
http://www.leif.org/research/Br7mov3.mpg
(link is to Dr. Svalgaard’s web page, I have also copy on my pc from Monika Korte, Potsdam) but too large to put on my website).
Eh, not very practical. A superconducting wire along the equator needs 1.5 GA current to produce a magnetic field strength at the pole comparable to current values (~0.5 gauss = 50 μT). To that end diameter of said wire should be 40 m to keep field strength on its outside under the critical value of 15 Tesla. Volume of superconducting wire would be 50 cubic kilometer and it would require a corresponding volume of liquid helium to keep it cool. Estimated cost is $500 trillion to $1000 trillion, hardly affordable.
Unfortunately magnetic field is excessively strong close to the wire. At one kilometer distance it is still 3000 gauss. Therefore traffic crossing the equator may get into trouble, including ships, cars, even planes flying at higher altitudes.
You can try to put the damned thing to orbit, let’s say at an elevation of one Earth radius, but in that case volume of wire is doubled to 100 cubic kilometers and hundreds of billion tons should be sent to orbit, increasing costs a thousandfold perhaps.
With a bill close to a billion dollars per capita, world economy still has some way to improve to make this project affordable.
But hey, put the UN bureaucrats in charge and all will be well.
there is such current, immensely strong and there every single day, goes by name
The Equatorial Electrojet
http://www.gfz-potsdam.de/uploads/pics/EEJ_01.png
the intense ionospheric current confined to a narrow ribbon along the magnetic dip-equator.
It is not an ‘immense’ current. In fact, many thousand times weaker than the currents causing the dipole.
Again, you have no idea what you are talking about.
The Equatorial Electrojet is a good start. We only have to increase its intensity 30 thousandfold and the job is done.
That’s why UN bureaucrats are needed. If we do not start to address the issue now, there’s certainly no solution, right?
Unfortunately, as the saying goes ‘it is even worse than we thought’, as the field weakens the electrojet will too.
Again, you do not know whereof you speak. As the field goes down, the conductivity [and thus the current] goes up.
It may disappear indeed. But in the meantime we can establish an international organization to handle the problem, with thousands of well paying jobs and a huge research fund to get Academia involved. That’s a splendid start in the right direction.
People would pay for it happily, and if not, they can still be forced on a gun point.
But is it true?
a favorite of mine just now posted again over at http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2016/1/18/old-reliable-josh-357.html
http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/102468/26799001/1453124058410/902844-26799000-thumbnail.jpg?token=vcA2aJ6YpZY4qYRveMxGg72FIpY%3D
Thanks for the post. I met Dr. Wildavsky in the early 80s and was a big fan before and have remained one since. He’s perceptive and worthwhile on many topics. At that time he spoke of his book “Speaking Truth to Power” which highlighted how governments only want to hear what they want to hear. He also recognized and described the limits of overarching change and promoted incrementalism.
lsvalgaard on March 26, 2016 at 12:57 pm
The magnetic field has weakened for 1000 years.
· If it continues at the current rate, the field will disappear in approximately 120 years.
You are off by an order of magnitude…
Reply — Yes, Leif. Givit to them solar warmers – the cruix lays some other place.
Not on Sun spotting. Or Sun obsession.
..He seems to suffer from Solarphobia !!
Speaking from the grave:
Wildavsky confronted what Michael Crichton identified as the biggest challenge facing mankind. In a 2003 speech to the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco he said,
I have been asked to talk about what I consider the most important challenge facing mankind, and I have a fundamental answer. The greatest challenge facing mankind is the challenge of distinguishing reality from fantasy, truth from propaganda. Perceiving the truth has always been a challenge to mankind, but in the information age (or as I think of it, the disinformation age) it takes on a special urgency and importance.
Wildavsky set out to determine the truth about environmental threats by using the proper scientific method of posing a question and testing it with experiments. The question he posed was, “But is it true?” that later became the title of his posthumously published (1995) book.
————–
I suspect you mean 1993 or something of the sort.
The 2003 speech was by my hero Michael Crichton, not Wildavsky ..badly stated paragraph .
Dr Ball, a superb article. Here is another good read: https://enthusiasmscepticismscience.wordpress.com/
Hats off to those who have the knowledge to document how humanity lurches from one sorry state to another.
‘So long as men are not trained to withhold judgment in the absence of evidence, they will be led astray by cocksure prophets, and it is likely that their leaders will be either ignorant fanatics or dishonest charlatans.’
Indeed.
vukcevic @ur momisugly Curious George further above
“What I was trying to convey is the magnetic potential between two poles.”
Question is how that ‘magnetic potential between two poles’ could be associated with the global temperature change?
One of possible answers could be associated with the Svensmark effect, while an alternative could be based on the oceans’ conveyor belt.
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/GT-GMF2.png
science has no answer, at least not yet, what might be the true driver of the global temperature variability science has ‘data’ but no valid mechanism
Except what you show is not the Earth’s dipole, and your claim that it has reversed its decline is also false. As I said, you have no idea what you are talking about. You make silly claims, like using “actual measurements” from 1900 and [it gets better] even 2020.
doc you are quick of the mark, don’t you get anything else to do? trailing Vuk across the blog however entertaining, it may not be the most valuable use of your academic competency, however your observations are most welcome as always.
I just use maps, charts, graphs and the data you and your colleagues put on line, if they are no good perhaps you need to go back to work and sort it out.
all the best
Rejecting pseudo-science is always a worthwhile thing to do. In your particular case it is especially easy. Can be done in a few seconds. No effort at all.
But you are being evasive when it comes to substance. It is easy to understand why.
So, here is your chance of being honest: did you use ‘actual measurements’ from 1900 and 2020 made in the polar regions?
Dr. S
In the above graph the blue line shows magnetic ‘di-pole’ from 1870 to 2014″ , the green line is not data to 2020, as clearly indicated on the graph, not once but twice, it is shifted along time axis in order to visually demonstrate high correlation of the global temperature to the Earth’s polar magnetic potential changes.
If you think or even believe that the CO2 would do better job you are entitled to your believes, regardless of your public stance on the subject, which is of no interest to me.
However, if that is not the case the readers of this blog, and more importantly the science would benefit far more if you have go and formulate a more credible alternative to the CO2.
I do my best to do so, if there is anything of value in it then someone may build on it, if there isn’t it will be ignored. See you elsewhere, another time, another day another place; I will still reply to purposeful comments of other readers if related to the subject.
the green line is not data to 2020
You are still evading answering. You claimed that you used ‘the blue points’ for 1900 and 2020. And now you run away.
Dr. Ball. Good presentation. Few politicians understand science. The EPA should be defunded by at least 90%.
In your very last sentence: the word ‘societies’ should be ‘society’s’.
Hi, very interesting post, Dr. Ball, and very interesting ensuing discussion.
I was one of Wildavsky’s graduate students who worked on the But Is It True? book. My topics were dioxin, Agent Orange, Times Beach, Missouri, and reporting environmental science, where we compared content analysis of media coverage of the causes of cancer and climate science to expert opinion on the same topics as manifested in surveys administered to those experts.
Very interesting stuff. Got me interested in the politics of science and in studying the cultural construction of nature. Also got me interested in systematically studying environmental, health, and safety regulation, its patterns, and their causes and consequences.
If you’re interested in Wildavsky’s explanation for the rise of environmentalism and for why environmentalism is attractive to the political left, you will be interested to read his The Rise of Radical Egalitarianism and Risk and Culture: An Essay on the Selection of Environmental and Technological Dangers (with Mary Douglas), and Richard Ellis’s The Dark Side of the Left: Illiberal Egalitarianism in America.
For those who liked But Is It True? I also highly commend to you Allan Mazur’s True Warnings and False Alarms: Evaluating Fears about the Health Risks of Technology, 1948-1971.
And, if you want a bunch of papers on current topics at the intersection of science, environmental, health, and safety risks, and the cultural construction of nature that builds on Douglas and Wildavsky’s work, I can also commend to you the work of Dan Kahan and the “cultural cognition” group at Yale:
http://www.culturalcognition.net/
My own efforts in these areas can be found on Researchgate.
Regards,
Brendon Swedlow
Wildavsky’s book was published in 1995, posthumously. Then in 2003 he gives a speech? I am very confused. I must be a warmist.
JimB
Michael Crichton was the “he” who gave the speech in 2003.
Hey you two….vukecvic and lsvalgaard..how about getting your own blogs to play tennis with each other. The vitriolic slanging match here is getting boring. Its been going on with just about every new topic. Please take it down a notch or stop being so public about your obvious differences. I doubt many others like me might have been interested initially but now do not give a shit how big each others ego is.
I agree with you that Vuk is polluting WUWT with comments on things he doesn’t know about and that it reaches untenable levels.
Hi there Mach, nice to hear from you
You wouldn’t think so but we are actually good friends, just occasional inconsequential clash of Scandinavian exactness and Mediterranean carelessness
https://youtu.be/cVWdbO6FFfw
One of the funniest Two Ronnies sketches I’ve seen. Thanks for putting it up.
Absolutely left me on the floor. These two were great!
A fascinating discussion and one which addresses the basics of the ‘human condition’. I find this more interesting than any other subject.