I Hope The IPCC Is Correct About Warming Because Cooling Is a Bigger Problem

Guest opinion; Dr. Tim Ball

Mae West famously said,

“I’ve been rich, and I’ve been poor. Believe me, rich is better.

As a historical climatologist, I can paraphrase that to say about climate,

“It’s been warm, and it’s been cold. Believe me, warm is better.”

I think the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) claim that human CO2 is causing warming is wrong. They created the result they wanted, which wasn’t designed to deal with warming but to stop economic development and reduce the population. They selected the data and mechanisms necessary to prove their hypothesis and manipulated the data where necessary, including rewriting climate history. The wider evidence, which is only examined when you move outside their limited definition of climate change, is that the world is cooling.

The major rewrite of history involved elimination of the Medieval Warm Period (MWP). One of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) gang told David Deming in an email that it was necessary to get rid of the MWP. The reason, although not expressed in the email, was because they were telling people that the latter part of the 20th century was the warmest ever. It wasn’t by any measure, from the warm of the MWP to the prolonged warmer period of the Holocene Optimum. The MWP was the most immediate threat to their narrative because it was within a time period people could grasp. They could relate to the idea that Vikings sailed in Arctic waters that are permanent pack-ice today. There was also the graph (Figure 7c) in the first IPCC Report in 1990 that contradicted their claim – it had to go.

A measure of the threat they saw is reflected in the viciousness of the attack on the historical evidence of the existence of the MWP produced in 2003 by Soon and Baliunas in “Proxy climatic and environmental changes of the past 1,000 years.” A couple of examples illustrate the existence of the MWP but also the benefits of a warmer world.

Scottish historians identify the 12th century as the golden age. As one historian explains

During the reign of David I (1124 – 1153) many Normans came to live in Scotland. Dioceses were organised for bishops and new monasteries were founded. Government was reformed. Moreover, in the 12th century many towns or burghs were founded in Scotland and trade flourished. David I was the first Scottish king to found mints and issue his own coins.

The main reason for the growth was increased food production due to warmer weather. Warmer conditions began in the 10th century and began to cool by the 13th century. The impact of the cooling on limits to agriculture indicate what was lost. Martin Parry, who later became a central figure in the IPCC, studied the impact of cooling on different agricultural regions when that was the concern in the1970s. Figure 1 shows the probability of harvest failure in southeast Scotland (Parry 1976). Vertical change in the limits to agriculture seems small, but the horizontal gradient means large areas are lost as illustrated in Figure 2.

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Figure 1

Figure 2 shows the extent of the land cultivated before 1300 AD and the amount lost at the onset of the Little Ice Age (LIA).

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Figure 2

You can look around the world at societies that blossomed into civilizations during the Medieval Warm Period. As Jean Grove said in the introduction to her thorough and detailed book “The Little Ice Age.”

 

For several hundred years’ climatic conditions in Europe had been kind; there were few poor harvests and famines were infrequent.” “Grain was grown in Iceland and even in Greenland; the northern fisheries flourished and in mainland Europe vineyards were in production 500 km north of their present limits.”

An important point to remember is that Polar Bears, the animal Al Gore and his alarmist gang chose as the canary in the Arctic, survived the entire MWP.

The IPCC set out to prove human CO2 was causing global warming. They achieved this by manipulation and deception, but it meant nothing if they didn’t also ‘prove’ that warming is a potential disaster. The IPCC structure involved four stages. Working Group (WG) I, II, III and the Summary for Policymakers (SPM) were all carefully designed to blend predetermined science with the threat it posed to the planet and humanity.

WG I, the Physical Science Basis Report, provides the proof that human CO2 is causing warming. That became the unchallenged assumption for WG II, the Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability Report. This Report became the source of the almost endless stories of the negative impacts of warming. In fact, it was a cost/benefits study without consideration of the benefits. It became the basis for WG III’s Mitigation of Climate Change Report that identified the costs and policies politicians needed to exact from the citizens. Then, ostensibly to make it easier for politicians, they produced the Summary for Policymakers. In fact, it made it more difficult because the IPCC released the SPM to the public and the media with all its exaggerations. The public pressure fuelled by the media left politicians with no option. As official IPCC reviewer, David Wojick said,

Glaring omissions are only glaring to experts, so the “policymakers”—including the press and the public—who read the SPM will not realize they are being told only one side of a story. But the scientists who drafted the SPM know the truth, as revealed by the sometimes artful way they conceal it.

What is systematically omitted from the SPM are precisely the uncertainties and positive counter evidence that might negate the human interference theory. Instead of assessing these objections, the Summary confidently asserts just those findings that support its case. In short, this is advocacy, not assessment.

The IPCC also guaranteed the prediction of increasing CO2 and its negative impact using economic models deliberately constructed for a predetermined outcome, just like the climate models.

Castles and Henderson critiqued the first economic model.

About two years ago Ian Castles became interested in the statistical techniques which had been used to predict the course of CO2 emissions for the next century and he was later joined by David Henderson who was curious to find out why the IPCC’s procedures had imparted an upward bias to the projections of output and emissions of developing countries.

These two economists have shown that the calculations carried out by the IPCC concerning per capita income, economic growth, and greenhouse gas emissions in different regions are fundamentally flawed, and substantially overstate the likely growth in developing countries. The results are therefore unsuitable as a starting point for the next IPCC assessment report, which is due to be published in 2007. Unfortunately, this is precisely how the IPCC now intends to use its emissions projections.

It appears the Castles and Henderson critique created a problem, so an alternative was produced called Representative Concentration Pathways (RCP). In 2011, Judith Curry provided a sound overview of the RCPs scheduled to be used in IPCC Assessment Report 5. Curry concludes that

Or, to boil it right down, the IPCC is telling us that the solution to climate change is economic growth and low-carbon energy generation.

I would modify that because the IPCC want to reduce the economic growth of developed nations and make them pay for the economic growth of developing nations. More importantly, this is all based on the deliberately created claim that CO2 is causing warming. The RCPs simply continue the falsifications and errors of the earlier emissions scenarios. As one commentator explained

These RCP’s are used by policymakers to decide what actions are required to sustain a safe climate for our own and future generations. The information they are using, presented by the IPCC, is nothing more than science fiction.

The IPCC determined to prove that human CO2 from industrial activity caused disastrous global warming for a controlling political agenda. To do that they convinced the world that warming promised nothing but catastrophe. The historical evidence shows exactly the opposite is the case; a warmer world offers many more benefits to more flora and fauna than a cold one. It is certainly more beneficial to the human condition. Evidence of the IPCC’s distorted thinking is in the claim that more people would die with a warmer world. The evidence shows that cold kills more people every year than heat.

40 years ago, in his 1976 book The Cooling, Lowell Ponte enunciated the threat of cooling in a similar way to the current threat of warming.

 

It is cold fact: the global cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species.

It is no surprise that in an endorsement of Ponte’s book, Stephen Schneider, who was later eulogized by the IPCC for his work on global warming, wrote

The dramatic importance of climate changes to the worlds future has been dangerously underestimated by many, often because we have been lulled by modern technology into thinking we have conquered nature. But this well-written book points out in clear language that the climatic threat could be as awesome as any we might face, and that massive world-wide actions to hedge against that threat deserve immediate consideration. At a minimum, public awareness of the possibilities must commence, and Lowell Ponte’s provocative work is a good place to start.

This is the same Schneider quoted in Discovery magazine in 1989 as follows.

On the one hand we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but, which means that we must include all the doubts, caveats, ifs and buts. On the other hand, we are not just scientists, but human beings as well. And like most people, we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climate change. To do that we have to get some broad-based support, to capture the publics imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This double ethical bind which we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both.

Sorry Mr. Schneider, there is no “right balance,” there must only be honesty. The ‘group think’ mentality that developed among those promoting global warming is reflected in the IPCC eulogy; “He (Schneider) never overstated his case.” Two features of group think are

Belief in inherent morality – Members believe in the rightness of their cause and therefore ignore the ethical or moral consequences of their decisions.

 

Self-appointed ‘mindguards’ – Members protect the group and the leader from information that is problematic or contradictory to the group’s cohesiveness, view, and/or decisions.

Which brings us back to Mae West who also said,

“I only have ‘yes’ men around me. Who needs ’no’ men?”

 

From experience with the IPCC I can paraphrase and update that and say they achieved their goal because,

“The IPCC only has ‘yes’ people around them. They don’t want ‘no’ people.”

 

The trouble is, it isn’t science without ‘no’ people.

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Pop Piasa
March 19, 2016 2:35 pm

OK, let’s get philosophical about this. I want a show of hands here, how many folks envision themselves in heaven having to wear a friggin’ coat?

kim
Reply to  Pop Piasa
March 19, 2016 2:51 pm

Fit your halo under your stocking cap. Some may wish an asbestos coat.
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Goldrider
Reply to  Pop Piasa
March 19, 2016 3:23 pm

TO-GA! TO-GA, TO-GAH! 😉

RexAlan
Reply to  Pop Piasa
March 19, 2016 4:02 pm

Love it, I’ll certainly remember that one.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Pop Piasa
March 19, 2016 6:25 pm

No heaven, therefore no coat needed.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
March 19, 2016 7:08 pm

Yeah, me neither… i think I heard Ray Wylie Hubbard mention my name in the song “New Years Eve at the Gates of Hell”.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Pop Piasa
March 19, 2016 7:01 pm

I can envision the Warmists in Hell and campaigning against CO2 while being whipped by demons at 1000F

Robert
March 19, 2016 2:43 pm

Hey Wigan , the sky is falling ,the sky is falling ,the sky is falling blah blah etc etc ,getting warm yet.

3¢worth
March 19, 2016 3:00 pm

Remember to celebrate Earth Hour, March 19th – 8:30-9:30 PM EDT (North America). Celebrate the availability of the plentiful and (relatively) inexpensive energy (mostly fossil fuels) we enjoy in the “Developed” world, something that is not available to hundreds of millions in the “Developing” world. Be sure to turn ALL your lights ON for Earth Hour! Celebrate the light, not the darkness endured by our ancestors and millions of people today. The Eco-fascists would have us all freezing in the dark, except the elites of course – you know who they are.

kim
Reply to  3¢worth
March 19, 2016 3:06 pm

Take back the night.
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Eugene WR Gallun
Reply to  kim
March 19, 2016 4:21 pm

Kim — Nice one — Eugene WR Gallun

kim
Reply to  kim
March 20, 2016 10:00 am

Thank you. Love your rhymin’ and reasonin’.
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Pop Piasa
Reply to  3¢worth
March 19, 2016 3:07 pm

I’ll fire my .45, so that all my livestock fart at once…

Goldrider
Reply to  Pop Piasa
March 19, 2016 3:24 pm

I gotta try that . . .!

Eugene WR Gallun
Reply to  Pop Piasa
March 19, 2016 4:25 pm

Pop Piasa — You win today’s humor award — Eugene WR Gallun

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  3¢worth
March 19, 2016 3:15 pm

Now, now. We don’t want to make Red any angrier than he already is.

emsnews
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 20, 2016 5:58 am

Commie birdie.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  3¢worth
March 19, 2016 6:01 pm

Oh darn! darn! darn! I missed Earth Hour this year. Anthony, why didn’t you tell us it was scheduled for today so I could turn all of my lights on?
I imagine North Korea will win the award again this year for the most widespread participation in this marvelous event. (/sarc).

Reply to  3¢worth
March 19, 2016 8:22 pm

I turned all my lights on for the ‘hour’ but, living in the countryside, I doubt many people noticed or could see.

spock2009
March 19, 2016 3:07 pm

Quote: “There was also the graph (Figure 7c) in the first IPCC Report in 1990 that contradicted their claim – it had to go.”
Was graph 7c meant to be included in this article? If not, why not?

Reply to  spock2009
March 19, 2016 3:27 pm

Sorry my mistake. I assumed everybody reading here would know about 7c, possibly, after the ‘hockey stick’, the most notorious graph in global warming history.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/03/22/relative-homogeneity-of-the-medieval-warm-period-mwp-and-the-little-ice-age-lia/

Science or Fiction
March 19, 2016 3:20 pm

The irony is that the Greens don´t like the greening.
Arid Areas Greening Because of Higher CO2 Levels:
“Researchers predicted foliage would increase by 5 to 10 percent given the 14 percent increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration during the study period. The satellite data agreed, showing an 11 percent increase in foliage …”

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Science or Fiction
March 20, 2016 12:55 pm

Science….
There is something you can add to that. In dry land areas (arid regions but not total deserts) there is a new finding:
For each 1% rise in CO2 concentration, there is a 0.62% rise in soil moisture because plants are more water-efficient when fed more CO2.
That rise in soil moisture can feed not 0.62% more vegetation, but 1% more, because of the extra CO2 reducing their requirement for water. If CO2 manages to get up 100% there will be a 100% rise in vegetation growth in the arid regions. At that level, it is likely the thunderstorm cycle will re-start and the entire Sahara desert will bloom as the Hadley cells expand north.

David A
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
March 20, 2016 8:19 pm

Bingo! And water availability is a large issue. Co2 at 400 PPM verses 280 PPM is already, in affect, the single largest reservoir for agricultural. (compared to man made reservoirs)

Science or Fiction
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
March 21, 2016 4:00 pm

Thanks 🙂 . For my convenience – do you have a link to that report?

John M. Ware
March 19, 2016 3:46 pm

Let’s not forget: during the MWP, Greenland (or part of it) was settled by shepherds and farmers, and it was called Greenland for a reason. During that time wine grapes were grown in Scotland–anyone doing that now? The data are before us: The Medieval Warm Period enabled the building of the great cathedrals of Europe, just because people had an easier time getting food and keeping warm, and could pay attention to things of beauty and monuments of faith. Later on, with the LIA, we get paintings of people ice-skating on canals in the Netherlands, to say nothing of Washington crossing the Delaware through ice-filled water; so the LIA was real, too. I think the true Deniers are those to refuse to recognize the past eras that were warmer than our own, and that were mostly times of prosperity and progress.

Science or Fiction
March 19, 2016 3:51 pm

“From experience with the IPCC I can paraphrase and update that and say they achieved their goal because, “The IPCC only has ‘yes’ people around them. They don’t want ‘no’ people.” ”
There is no doubt that IPCC was heavily biased from the very beginning:
Report of the second session of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) 28 June 1989
https://www.ipcc.ch/meetings/session02/second-session-report.pdf
“In welcoming the delegates to the United Nation Environment Program (UNEP) Headquarters … The Executive Director of UNEP, hailed the fruitful alliance between World Metrological Organization and UNEP. The firm commitment of prof. Obasi, the Secretary-General of WMO, coupled with the determination of UNEP leadership, has resulted in a partnership which is helping to unify the scientific and policy-making communities of the world to lay the foundation for effective, realistic and equitable action on climate change.”
“It should be born in mind that both the governing council of UNEP and the executive Council of WMO expected the first report of IPCC to form the basis for international negotiations on a global convention on climate change.”

Can you imagine anyone exposing ideas and theories to close scrutiny in a such environment?
No doubt that ´yes´ people was favored.

Eugene WR Gallun
March 19, 2016 4:29 pm

Another fine post by Dr. Ball — Eugene WR Gallun

zemlik
March 19, 2016 5:39 pm

He probably takes nice photos ( how could you not ) but seems to make assumptions.
http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/17/this-polar-bear-was-killed-by-climate-change-heres-why-5697120/

Ishmael
March 19, 2016 5:59 pm

You’re incredibly naive Luke. I’m a specialist in Middle Eastern politics due to being raised in the home of an American diplomat. My father is dead but I have been analyzing what really happens in Mid East politics since I grew up seeing how it was done first hand.
Political decisions were made to flip Bashar by outside forces; mainly the United States, and Arab sunni warriors we basically call Al Qaeda, since Iran props up Bashar al-Assad.
You’re simply blowing smoke out of your under-education hole.
Hot dry weather is not what gave Al Qaeda the guns supplies and money to flip al-Assad under the guise of ”moderate free syrian fighters seeking self-determination in the face of al-Assad’s abuses and denial of basic human rights.”
He’s an Islamic president all that stuff’s his job.
Since you came in and said this it means you’re not old enough to have been watching TV politics the past six or eight years, more than likely.
Or you’ve been so busy studying in college not much time for news TV which also obviously means: you’re just having your acne begin to clear.
You’re really, really in over your head with old, professional scientists checking your amateurish wanna-believe-in-Magic-Gas made Allah irritable stories.

Luke
March 19, 2016 at 12:08 pm
There is evidence that the 2007−2010 drought contributed to the conflict in Syria. It was the worst drought in the instrumental record, causing widespread crop failure and a mass migration of farming families to urban centers. Century-long observed trends in precipitation, temperature, and sea-level pressure, supported by climate model results, strongly suggest that anthropogenic forcing has increased the probability of severe and persistent droughts in this region, and made the occurrence of a 3-year drought as severe as that of 2007−2010 2 to 3 times more likely than by natural variability alone. We conclude that human influences on the climate system are implicated in the current Syrian conflict.
Here is the url for the full article. If you contest their conclusions, please provide a peer-reviewed publication supporting your assertions.

otsar
March 19, 2016 6:28 pm

Be sure to line them up so that they do it in the correct general direction.

Unmentionable
March 19, 2016 6:53 pm

Cold is a relative energy low that draws energy from where it is, to warm itself up, i.e. even cold doesn’t like being cold.
Maximum species diversity and biomass occurs at +/- 5 degrees of the Equator.
Minimum species diversity and biomass occurs within +/- 5 degrees of the Poles.
Warmth this a relative energy plenty that promotes life.
Anyone who cares about species diversity (or even humanity’s best interests) would not want it to cool off, nor would they be freaking out about the expansion of warmth toward the poles or a slow increase in CO2 that always accompanies warming in a highly beneficial way.
Except that in the high latitude southern hemisphere, right now, warming is not occurring, it’s cooling and satellite sea-ice is testing and beating record highs.
Not good for life on earth, if that continues.
The UN is not supposed to be dedicated to damaging human interests or reducing species diversity and global biomass. If it is via its action promoting that agenda, then the UN must be dismembered, dis-empowered and abandoned as an organizational, philosophical and scientific failure.

David A
Reply to  Unmentionable
March 20, 2016 8:27 pm

Good post. Perhaps additive to note that the tropics are not warming. What CO2 warming we may have is mostly at night, and mainly in the cold pole-ward regions, where it is most beneficial.

MarcT77
March 19, 2016 7:13 pm

If we simplify things a little. The territory of a specie has a cold border and a warm border. The cold border is a hard one, the specie cannot survive with that cold. The warm border has to do with competition, the specie cannot compete with the species that are only adapted to a nice climate with lots of resources and competition.
When the climate cools, individuals die on the cold side of the territory. When climate warms, individuals eventually face the competition from the warm side. The speed of migration is similar for all species, so few individuals die.

John Harmsworth
March 19, 2016 7:31 pm

I’ve never been much for conspiracy theories but more and more I come to believe this is a concerted action by the developing world to disempower the West. The fact that Western governments and societies help out is beyond me, and the failure and corruption of science in the face of this nonsense is deeply disappointing. Also, the process has highlighted problems with peer review brought about by the internet that should concern all of science. Changes must be made to recover credibility.

beanocook
March 19, 2016 9:20 pm

It’s increasingly clear global warming is real and man has virtually nothing to do with it. Don’t deny this.

Patrick MJD
March 19, 2016 10:52 pm

Some classy British comedy…

jonny
March 20, 2016 12:42 am

Party on boys and girls … let your offspring die in agony…
[another government wonk from Canberra, using a fake email address, and using a computer powered by electricity to lecture us about energy -mod]

kim
Reply to  jonny
March 20, 2016 9:32 am

The perspicacious among them are already regretting raising the alarum to eleventy. They will become laughingstocks.
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Chris
March 20, 2016 2:14 am

First of all, more warmth is not welcomed in the tropics. We don’t need places that already have highs of 33-37C warming by another 2-3 degrees. Second, there is this minor factor called precipitation, without it all the warmth in the world will not grow crops. Just one example is here: http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2016/0302/Spurred-by-climate-change-Middle-East-faces-worst-drought-in-900-years

garymount
Reply to  Chris
March 20, 2016 3:13 am

We had our worst drought in history here last year. The media quoted a climate scientist who assured us that “This is a pimple compared to the future dry weather we will get”. May 2015 had the least amount of rain for a May in history. The water lawn sprinkling ban has been moved up earlier in the year by half a month and extended later into the year also by half a month.
Odd thing is that Oct 2014 had 150% of normal precipitation. This March, the current month, had the most rain for the last 10 years at only half way through the month.
Also, oddly a few years earlier the same media was reporting that the wet weather we were having (due to climate change of course ) would ruin the tourism industry for Vancouver.
It was pretty dang cold here the last couple of nights, nearing freezing and the mountains are loaded full of snow and currently look like mid winter though spring is only hours away.
Local cow pasture picture follows, taken Sept 25, 2015 before the rainy season began and after supposedly the worst drought in local history. (location is former site of notorious mass serial killer allegedly murdered 49 women at this site )comment image

Chris
Reply to  garymount
March 20, 2016 5:22 pm

Can you point to a link where climate scientists said that was the worst drought in history for BC (I assume you are in BC)? I’m from Seattle, though have lived in Asia for 20 years. I don’t recall seeing anything about the drought being worst in history. And in any case, AGW does not predict that every place in the world will suffer severe drought. The ME is still having the worst drought in 800 years, and in other places, such as Thailand, they are having to drill thousands of wells to help farmers and towns survive.

garymount
Reply to  garymount
March 20, 2016 11:13 pm

Chris, our history is short here, and I am referring to recorded history of just over 100 years. I have lived here, near Vancouver B.C. since 1967, so have first hand experience with 50 years of that history.
I did find a link here about the “pimple” :

When California looks like this, will they come for our water?; Not likely. The cost of moving water in bulk is prohibitive, and that’s not counting the political and legal hurdles
resource management. “The summer drought we’re experiencing this year is a pimple, it’s not anything like what we’ll witness in the next 20 to 30 years as the climate changes,” said O’Riordan, a Victoria-based policy adviser at Simon Fraser… (2629 words)
Byline: Peter O’Neil, Source: Vancouver Sun, Page: A10, Edition: Final
$4.95 – Vancouver Sun – Sat Sep 12 2015

There was a mega flood here just over 100 years ago. We have since built extensive dikes throughout the region. While bike riding through Langley during this extreme drought I noticed that many of the pumps to pump out water from the land and into the Fraser river were operating. There were huge areas of land with nothing but corn crops from horizon to horizon.
Sea level rise and flooding had been much in the news before the brief period of dry weather. Here is a picture of new homes built near the Pitt River (named after the youngest Prime Minister of the U.K. at that time) when stories about sea level / flooding is the topic. I know that area, I confirmed the location of the homes in the picture and I know that the land there was raised 2 or so metres above the natural land level. But the reporters seem unaware.comment image

David A
Reply to  Chris
March 20, 2016 8:33 pm

Chris, the tropics are not warming, and will not. There is no global increase in drought, period.
Here is the long term drought index for the US as of this March. looks ok to me.
http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Screenshot-2016-03-19-at-10.24.32-PM.png

Jock Elliott
March 20, 2016 2:55 am

The key phrase in the Schneider quote in Ball’s essay appears to be this: “And like most people, we’d like to see the world a better place.”
Better, how? Better, according to who? Better in what way? There may be a number of hidden assumptions behind the phrase “we’d like to see the world a better place.” If your idea of a better world is driven by the ideas presented in “The Population Bomb” and “Limits to Growth,” your solutions — whether the world is warming or cooling — are going to point in very similar directions.
Beware of “objective” scientists bearing hidden agendas.

François
March 20, 2016 4:49 am

Same old stuff about the Vikings in “Groenland”. They also came to Normandy during the 9th and 10th centuries and conquered it. Sure, the weather there is nicer than up North, but they did not have to change the name of those areas for marketing purposes. Nothing is ever new in advertising for gullible prospective buyers. In the poorest French “banlieues”, the streets of the worst areas are invariably named “allée des fleurs”, “impasse des lauriers”, not “boulevard du bidonville” (slum).

March 20, 2016 5:17 am

Dr Ball writes: “What is systematically omitted from the SPM are precisely the uncertainties ….”
181 comments later not one person has pointed that Dr Ball is incorrect. The SPM does indeed include uncertainties – both mathematical and theoretical. This shows a complete lack of familiarity with the subject matter. One really doesn’t need to know much more to make the simple assessment that he’s pretty clueless.

ClimateOtter
Reply to  oneillsinwisconsin
March 20, 2016 6:09 am

Proof, please. Also please cover the counter evidence which he also mentioned.

Reply to  ClimateOtter
March 20, 2016 8:50 am

The SPMs can be read here:
WG1 – SPM First use of uncertainties on Page 3
WG2 – SPM The first description of the uncertainties can be found on Page 6, “Background Box SPM.3 | Communication of the Degree of Certainty in Assessment Findings”
WG3 – SPM First use of uncertainties is on Page 6, though the footnote on Page 4 may be considered as uncertainties
Pseudoskeptics. Many here consider themselves skeptics, but rarely do they actually display any skepticism. TDr Ball’s uncertainty claim is so easily verified and checked that I’d expect a halfway intelligent 12 year old to be able to verify the truth or falsehood of the claim. How many dozens of articles has written here with the same level of veracity?
I won’t reply separately to Bruce Cobb below except to say one of us is clueless and it ain’t me 🙂

Reply to  ClimateOtter
March 20, 2016 9:15 am

ClimateOtter writes: “Proof, please.”
Just another note, are you unable to Google – Summary for Policy Makers AR5?
Why should I – or anyone – have to do the basic research for you? Do what I did, Google it, read it, and make a decision on the original claim. The fact you either cannot or will not says plenty about your own skepticism and intellectual capacity.
Instead what we see is unwavering acceptance of absolute crap claims from an absolute non-authority(PhD in Geography); one that has been proven wrong over and over again.

ClimateOtter
Reply to  ClimateOtter
March 20, 2016 10:35 am

I don’t see your coverage of the counter-evidence.

Reply to  ClimateOtter
March 20, 2016 11:05 am

ClimateOtter writes: “I don’t see your coverage of the counter-evidence.”
I don’t see your admission that Dr Ball was woefully incorrect in saying that uncertainties are missing.
As for “positive counter-evidence” — he never states what counter evidence is missing; hence it’s impossible to verify. A skeptic would have noted this immediately. Cosmic rays? Chemtrails? Climate fairies? Garden gnomes? The iron sun? Iris theory?
We can list a hundred disproved, illogical, and/or unscientific ‘theories’ and claim the IPCC reports didn’t deal with them. Well, they are supposed to be dealing with science, not wild claims. So which scientifically valid pieces of counter-evidence did they miss? Dr Ball doesn’t say and neither do you, but you lap it up anyways. Obviously you’ve already drunk the kool-aid.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  oneillsinwisconsin
March 20, 2016 7:59 am

And we don’t need to read any more from you to know that you are a clueless, driveby troll.
Buh-bye!

kim
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 20, 2016 9:27 am

Meh, they were less certain of the attribution to man, but lied that they had increased confidence in the influence by man. Spin away, ol’ Honey Badger.
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Chris
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 20, 2016 5:46 pm

Haha, when you don’t have a factual retort, trot out the troll accusation.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 20, 2016 6:12 pm

kim as usual gets to the heart of the matter.
And not one scary climate prediction has ever come true. Not one.
When one group makes lots of alarming predictions, but not a single one ever happens, the proper course of action is to throw out that conjecture or hypothesis, try to figure out why they were so wrong, and produce a new hypothesis that takes into account new information — such as the fact that every alarming prediction they ever made was flat wrong.
But climate science isn’t science, it’s politics. So it doesn’t need to fiollow the Scientific Method.

ClimateOtter
Reply to  oneillsinwisconsin
March 20, 2016 11:20 am

You know ZERO about me or what I have read, bub. But one thing I DO know for certain in my 30 years of following this, plus my degree in geology, is that the tenets of the AGW theory are falling like ten pins. Tornadoes down to historic lows, hurricanes down to historic lows, phytoplankton operating in exact opposition to claims made with regard to AGW, the Stratosphere is warming instead of cooling, and so on, and so forth.
So, why is ‘one ill in wisconsin’ anyway?

Reply to  ClimateOtter
March 20, 2016 11:26 am

ClimateOtter – no, you’re wrong. You asked for proof. I provided proof. Anyone that had actually read the SPMs would immediately recognize Dr Ball’s assertion as nonsense. Ergo, you had not read them. The alternative is that you had read them and didn’t understand them, or had read them, knew uncertainties were in fact part of the SPM and decided to play dumb (and cast doubt on my claim).
Now, none of these interpretations is complimentary to you. Sorry, that’s the way it goes. I’ll call a spade a spade and not a utility implement for soil movement.
The only thing falling around here is what little reputation for critical reading and skeptical reasoning you might have left. I don’t have a degree in anything. But I can read, comprehend what I read, and cogently pass the learned information on. You may wish to ask for your tuition fees back since you can’t do any of the above.

Reply to  ClimateOtter
March 20, 2016 11:35 am

ClimateOtter writes: “So, why is ‘one ill in wisconsin’ anyway?”
Such wit! I am dumbstruck with awe. Did you learn that in college? I am suitably impressed. (/snark)
A more literate commenter might have alluded to the opening of Dostoyevsky’s, Notes from Underground. In the past I have myself in a self-deprecating way.
Even your ad-homs need work. Think seriously about asking for a refund on that schooling.

ClimateOtter
Reply to  ClimateOtter
March 20, 2016 11:52 am

Keep trying illsy. I’ll take observational evidence over computer modeled projections based on bad input any day. You… just keep talking yourself deeper into that hole.

Reply to  ClimateOtter
March 20, 2016 11:58 am

ClimateRiverSkunk writes: “I’ll take observational evidence…..”
You mean like the observations I made that the SPMs all include uncertainties – directly contrary to the misguided assertions of Dr Ball? Yes, I’ll take direct observations too. How ’bout you? Still ain’t got the balls to flat out say Dr Ball was full of BS?
The old adage goes, you know a man by the company he keeps. You’re in ….. company with Dr Ball.What does *that* say?
P.S. the theory of AGW relies not one iota on computer models. The theory existed before the first computer model was written. Even someone with a Geology degree should know that.

Reply to  ClimateOtter
March 20, 2016 6:15 pm

oneillsinwisconsin,
Your climate alarmist contingent has been 100.0% wrong in every prediction you ever made.
That means your hypothesis is junk.
Yet you still desperately try to keep it on life support. Why?

Reply to  ClimateOtter
March 20, 2016 6:21 pm

dbstealey – another commenter completely silent on the assertion by Dr Ball that the SPMs don’t include uncertainties. You people are funny. Throw any old red herring out there to obscure the fact the emperor has no clothes.
Well over 200 hundred comments now and not one ‘regular’ here has the guts to point out the obvious – and if it wasn’t obvious I spoonfed you the answer – Dr Ball is full of BS when he claimed the SPMs don’t include uncertainties. I gave you chapter and verse, but it simply cannot make a dent in your notions.

David A
Reply to  ClimateOtter
March 21, 2016 4:11 am

Oneill, Have you read the NIPCC reports, and the references they make to hundreds of peer reviewed publications they make, many of which are ignored by the IPCC? Your comment to dismiss all peer reviewed publications not in the IPCC as junk science…
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“We can list a hundred disproved, illogical, and/or unscientific ‘theories’ and claim the IPCC reports didn’t deal with them. Well, they are supposed to be dealing with science, not wild claims”
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…is ludicrous and has no bearing on the IPCC :lip service only” to uncertainties. The NIPCC is strong in disputing the many IPCC projected harms, and very strong in noting the known benefits of CO2 poorly considered in the IPCC reports. Please read it and you will begin to understand why Dr. Ball’s post is essentially correct and the IPCC verbally noting a few uncertainties is merely lipstick on a pig
Oneill… you state this to another poster,
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“Why should I – or anyone – have to do the basic research for you? Do what I did, Google it, read it, and make a decision on the original claim. The fact you either cannot or will not says plenty about your own skepticism and intellectual capacity.
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So now go read the NIPCC reports. They document in detail what the IPCC missed. Do you need a link?

Science or Fiction
Reply to  oneillsinwisconsin
March 20, 2016 2:30 pm

A serious problem is that IPCC AR5 does not report uncertainties in accordance with the international standard for expression of uncertainty. The standard gives the following advices on reporting of uncertainty:
Ref.: 7.2.3 in Guide to the expression of uncertainty …:
Simply put, the result of an estimate should be reported by:
– giving a full description of how the measurand Y is defined
– stating the result of the measurement as Y = y ± U
– give the units of y and U
– giving the approximate level of confidence associated with the interval y ± U
– state how the level of confidence was determined;
Ref.: 7.1.4 in Guide to the expression of uncertainty …:
Although in practice the amount of information necessary to document a measurement result depends on its intended use, the basic principle of what is required remains unchanged: when reporting the result of a measurement and its uncertainty, it is preferable to err on the side of providing too much information rather than too little. For example, one should
a) describe clearly the methods used to calculate the measurement result and its uncertainty from the experimental observations and input data;
b) list all uncertainty components and document fully how they were evaluated;
c) present the data analysis in such a way that each of its important steps can be readily followed and the calculation of the reported result can be independently repeated if necessary;
d) give all corrections and constants used in the analysis and their sources.
A test of the foregoing list is to ask oneself “Have I provided enough information in a sufficiently clear manner that my result can be updated in the future if new information or data become available?”
References and more information here:
This is how the climate industry should have reported uncertainty!
Uncertainty figures are not much worth if they are not properly estimated and documented.

Reply to  Science or Fiction
March 20, 2016 6:16 pm

Science or Fiction – what part of “Summary” don’t you understand? The full uncertainties will – of course – bein the actual scientific papers that the *Summary* is summarizing. English is an amazing language – you might consider learning it.
P.S. Silence on Dr Ball’s assertion that the SPMs don’t include uncertainties? Imagine that. Just another kool-aid drinker.

Science or Fiction
Reply to  oneillsinwisconsin
March 20, 2016 10:32 pm

First I would like state very clearly that I think you have a valid point.
Uncertainties are included in the fifth assessment report by IPCC and the Summary for Policy Makers. The following claim by Tim Ball seem to be unsupported in his article.
“What is systematically omitted from the SPM are precisely the uncertainties and positive counter evidence that might negate the human interference theory.”

Science or Fiction
Reply to  oneillsinwisconsin
March 21, 2016 12:40 am

Second, I would like to point out that your assertion that “The full uncertainties will – off course – be in the actual scientific papers that the “Summary is summarizing” is not always correct.
If you take a closer look into the assessment report you will find that the fifth assessment report by IPCC fails to meet the international standard for expression of uncertainty.
I have several post on this at my site. E.g.:
Both IPCC and it´s reviewer, InterAcademy Council, messed up on “Quantified measures of uncertainty”!
You will also find that individual papers typically fail to meet this standard. Here is an example where uncertainties are stated, but still unsupported in the paper:
Distinctive climate signals in reanalysis of global ocean heat content
(Geophysical research letters – first published 10 May 2013 ; Balmaseda, Trenberth and Källén.)
If you search for the information about uncertainty, which should have been in the paper in accordance with the international standard: “Guide to the expression of uncertainty in measurement”, you will see that relevant information is missing. Hence the uncertainty stated in the paper is unsupported.
(Full arguments, with links, in several posts about qualitative and quantitative uncertainty at my site.)

David A
Reply to  Science or Fiction
March 21, 2016 4:26 am

Sciencefiction, Dr. Ball’s claim;
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““What is systematically omitted from the SPM are precisely the uncertainties and positive counter evidence that might negate the human interference theory.”
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… taken in conjunction with the NIPCC reports demonstrating that the IPCC specifically “omits” many papers and much peer reviewed literature that strongly indicate they should be far less certain of the purported harms of CO2, and far more likely to consider CO2 net beneficial, and natural change more responsible for the warming we have observed, is essentially accurate. It may have been more accurate to say it this way;
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What is systematically omitted from the SPM, except in lip service only form, are precisely the uncertainties and positive counter evidence that might negate the human interference and CO2 is dangerous theory”
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…yet his statement is essentially accurate. My comment to Oneill here; http://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/03/19/i-hope-the-ipcc-is-correct-about-warming-because-cooling-is-a-bigger-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-2170976 explains why this is true, and where oneill can go to verify the assertion.

Science or Fiction
Reply to  David A
March 21, 2016 5:06 am

Thank you for the clarification. 🙂

Walt D.
March 20, 2016 6:05 am

What is the quote about Napoleon and Hitman losing whole armies due to bitterly cold weather in Russia/USSR? (As opposed to hot weather in Rommel’s battles in the desert)?

kim
Reply to  Walt D.
March 20, 2016 9:29 am

Failed to consider the troops of Generals December and January, also misunderestimated Kutuzov and Dodge Trucks.
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co2islife
March 20, 2016 6:40 am

I Hope The IPCC Is Correct About Warming Because Cooling Is a Bigger Problem

That is so true, people and society thrive in warmth, die is the cold. We should at least be equally preparing for global cooling, and taking advantage of this warm period while it lasts Once again, societies will collapse with cooling, they won’t with warming, they will in fact thrive.

Reply to  co2islife
March 20, 2016 8:52 am

“That is so true, people and society thrive in warmth…”
Which explains why deserts are the most populated places on earth ……. oh wait.

kim
Reply to  oneillsinwisconsin
March 20, 2016 9:30 am

No, that’s not the explanation; in that case it’s the lack of water.
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ClimateOtter
Reply to  oneillsinwisconsin
March 20, 2016 11:21 am

According to your thinking, then, the region above the Arctic Circle must be packed with people.

kim
Reply to  oneillsinwisconsin
March 20, 2016 3:14 pm

In that case it’s the cold. This is rhetoric?
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Reply to  oneillsinwisconsin
March 20, 2016 6:19 pm

oneillinwisc:
Major FAIL.
The Antarctic is the world’s biggest desert.

Reply to  oneillsinwisconsin
March 20, 2016 6:58 pm

dbstealey – are you dense? I wrote sarcastically ….you might note the “oh wait” at the end. Duhsville for you my friend.
[Per Anthony’s repeated requests, always indicate sarcasm with something like “/sarc”. -mod]

Reply to  oneillsinwisconsin
March 20, 2016 7:27 pm

oneill,
I may be dense, but I’m not deceptive or credulous; your two most obvious qualities. I’m not sure which one is in charge at the moment.
After being totally wrong in every alarmist prediction ever made, anyone who still sounds the “dangeroud AGW” false alarm is being deceptive. Unless they believe it against all the contrary evidence. Then, they’re just being credulous.

Chris
Reply to  co2islife
March 20, 2016 5:49 pm

Incorrect. First of all, the most prosperous societies are in the colder climates – Europe was the pioneer. By your logic, Africa, the Middle East and Asia should be prosperous, and Europe poor. But that is not the case, in fact you have it completely backwards.

kim
Reply to  Chris
March 20, 2016 6:14 pm

Obviously, there is more than climate to consider, such things as governance and natural resources.
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David A
Reply to  Chris
March 21, 2016 4:36 am

Quit correct Kim. Alarmists can, in a jiffy, go from claiming nuance, to simplicity that is worthy of a simpleton.
For a very long time the silk road went to India, and the culture on that land was stupendous, prosperous, and leading in areas of architecture, science, mathematics, politics, etc.

Luke
March 20, 2016 6:58 am

John Knight says.
“There are numerous known conspiratorial groups far larger than would be required to pull off this (I am quite certain) climate con job. Drug trafficking for instance, a whole lot of people “conspire” every freaking day to supply illegal drugs around the world, don’t they? And human trafficking? Illegal arms sales? These “conspiracies” require far more participants than would be required to pull off a “consensus” among “climate scientists” charade like we (I am certain) have seen watching.”
Really? You truly think this is a vast conspiracy among climate scientists around the world? The problem with your argument is there is no incentive for scientists to be a part of the conspiracy. If there truly was fraud going on in the climate science circles, it would take one doctoral student, post doc, or PhD scientist to produce the data/analysis and take it all down, and they would become the most famous scientist in the field instantaneously! The reason it doesn’t happen is there is no conspiracy! Scientists are a competitive bunch and there are animosities just like any profession. If one of them saw a chance to make a name for themselves by exposing a fraudulent analysis of another scientist, they would do it. I hope the rest of you here don’t believe John’s conspiracy theory, it would only further reduce the your credibility.

[no incentive? look at Mann’s fake Nobel prize claims, look at the amount of money he has received in grants, look at Shukla and his double dipping grant operation which has attracted a congressional investigation. money and prestige are incentives for climate scientists and there’s no way of denying that -mod]

kim
Reply to  Luke
March 20, 2016 9:58 am

In goes the good air, out goes the bad air.
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Luke
Reply to  Luke
March 20, 2016 10:10 am

Moderator- you do not address my point of incentives to expose the “fraud”. If a scientist came forward with evidence of fraud or a defensible critique of published data or analyses, they would instantly become one of the most well known scientists in their field and would reap substantial rewards in both grant money and offers of academic positions. Science is a competitive business and scientists are always closely examining the papers of their competitors. Many scientists have built their reputations on debunking other’s results and climate science is no different. If you really think that there is a vast conspiracy among scientists to cover up the truth about global warming then you don’t know how science works. Period.
[You are using several of the “trigger words” in your latest replies, then wonder why the replies drop into the queue? Be patient.
To the contrary, there is no hidden conspiracy to oppose the science. It is a very open, very well-funded and openly coordinated effort to prsent the propaganda. .mod]

kim
Reply to  Luke
March 20, 2016 10:21 am

At school, there, they learn to deny six possible things before breakfast.
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ClimateOtter
Reply to  Luke
March 20, 2016 11:23 am

No incentive, luke? If a government official turns up at your front door threatening to destroy your life / career/ finances / reputation / future, do you do what they tell you to do?
That’s just one example and you can’t tell me it hasn’t happened, or have you forgotten what happened to a lot of skeptics around Lysenko?

JohnKnight
Reply to  Luke
March 20, 2016 1:00 pm

Luke,
“Really? You truly think this is a vast conspiracy among climate scientists around the world?”
No, but I do think there is a conspiracy that involves a few climate scientists, and a contrived/staged “consensus” claim.

catweazle666
Reply to  Luke
March 20, 2016 5:14 pm

Luke: “it would only further reduce the your credibility.”
With who?
You?
ROTFLMAO!

JohnKnight
Reply to  Luke
March 20, 2016 7:53 pm

Readers,
Please consider carefully what Luke presents as a “failsafe” against possible “cons-piracy” ; )
“The problem with your argument is there is no incentive for scientists to be a part of the conspiracy. If there truly was fraud going on in the climate science circles, it would take one doctoral student, post doc, or PhD scientist to produce the data/analysis and take it all down, and they would become the most famous scientist in the field instantaneously!”
He completely switches cons-piracy as the potential in question, to fraud many grad students could easily expose. The idea of actual people actually discussing unethical things secretly, vanishes completely . . almost as though some magical force exists, which wholly prevents people with (certain?) science degrees from ever doing anything like that.
Inane (ostensible) level of blind faith in Siants, I say. Totally unscientific belief in magical occultish forces . .

March 20, 2016 10:32 am

The title should summarize the article.
It doesn’t.
If intended to be funny ..
… then the title you wrote is not funny.
In the title you say: “I Hope the IPCC is Correct” …
… but you really don’t hope that, so why say it?
I assume you know they have been wrong for all 27 years.
In the title you also say: “cooling is a bigger problem”
… but you make no attempt to prove that, nor does anyone actually know that.
In my opinion, one degree C. of cooling in the next 100 years would be just as meaningless as one degree of warming in the past 100 years.
Without me spending much time creating about a better title, I’ll propose using one of your first sentences with a few words deleted as the title:
“The IPCC claim that human CO2 is causing warming is wrong”.
Now, you must wonder, why would I spend so much time giving you are hard time about the title of an article?
Because the title of an article helps people decide if they want to read it.
And your recent articles deserve a lot of attention.
Sometimes a newspaper or website will accept an article but write their own headline — and that headline sometimes does not summarize the article. If that happened here, I blame whoever actually wrote the title.
It is refreshing when a scientist like yourself gets it about “climate science”, and writes articles about the politics using simple easy to understand English.
The bad science is obvious to people here, but they may not realize:
(a) Politicians start with the assumption humans are “killing” the planet,
(b) When they are elected, their governments buy the scientists they want to support those beliefs,
(c) and the “scientists” do whatever is necessary to please their governments, and get their money.
In the end, the climate modelers are a small group of people with advanced degrees who act like con men living on the government dole … helping to promote BIG GOVERNMENT socialism, which most must believe in — they obviously don’t give a damn that they are destroying the reputation of science and scientists in general.
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garymount
Reply to  Richard Greene
March 20, 2016 5:07 pm

I think a title should help you to remember the article, just like a tv show. For example a recent Walking Dead episode was titled JSS.

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