Guest opinion: Dr. Tim Ball
President Obama used the Paris Climate Conference to advance his legacy: an agreement was mandatory no matter the truth or the cost. As a result, the final agreement was meaningless because to get everybody to sign it was made unenforceable. All signatories were willing to agree because they are all politicians playing their own game; not what is right or best for the people. This objective was acceptable to the main drivers outside of the actual political arena. They were using climate change to impose their socialist goal of punishing and weakening capitalism and redistributing their wealth, which they claim was obtained at the expense of the developing nations. Avowed communist and anti-capitalist Naomi Klein attending Paris as a member of Pope Francis delegation saw the political opportunities in climate change.
She herself admits that, as she began to take the problem of climate change more seriously and to think about it more deeply, it did not cause her to change her mind about anything. On the contrary, it reinforced everything that she had always believed. “I was propelled into a deeper engagement with it partly because I realized it could be a catalyst for forms of social and economic justice in which I already believed.”
Ironically, those countries that held out for an unenforceable agreement, like Russia, India, and China, tried socialism and are now embracing aspects of capitalism. The reason they don’t want enforceable limits on fossil fuels is because they want to develop their economies and they know first-hand it doesn’t work with socialism. The result is the paradox that was the Paris Climate Conference. While a small group of people worked to undermine development and capitalism through a false global warming charge, half the world’s population represented by these nations, strives for development through capitalism. Richard Lindzen retired Professor of Atmospheric Physics at MIT summarized the situation best.
“Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and, on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.”
The conflict in Paris was a separate conflict between those who want to “rollback” the industrial age for those currently developed by capitalism and industrialization and those who want the same advances and benefits. It has little or nothing to do with the political objectives of those, like Klein, who wants total control of people’s lives. Paris only served to promote Obama’s personal objective. Meanwhile, the use of environment and climate for Klein’s socialist objectives continues quietly, surreptitiously and insidiously. It is built around the dictum “Think globally, act locally” attributed to Rene Dubos, an advisor to the Maurice Strong chaired 1972 United Nations Conference on the Human Environment.
Maurice Strong, through the United Nations Environment Program (UNEP), transferred the objectives of the Club of Rome into policy. He set up a system that effectively bypassed politicians and legislators. Elaine Dewar, author of Cloak of Green concluded:
Strong was using the U.N. as a platform to sell a global environment crisis and the Global Governance Agenda.
For example, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was created by and through the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). The bureaucrats of the WMO are government employees from 191 national weather offices of the UN organization. Those bureaucrats inform and direct and thereby control the politicians.
Strong is most responsible for setting up the bureaucratic structure necessary to control the political and science agendas. Neil Hrab wrote in 2001 that Strong achieved this by:
Mainly using his prodigious skills as a networker. Over a lifetime of mixing private sector career success with stints in government and international groups…
This began in earnest with the 1977 United Nations Conference on the Human Environment Stockholm Conference. As Hrab notes:
The three specific goals set out by the Secretary General of the Conference, Maurice F. Strong, at its first plenary session—a Declaration on the human environment, an Action Plan, and an organizational structure supported by a World Environment Fund—were all adopted by the Conference.
What was the Action Plan? It is the goal Strong considered most important and was set out in the Declaration of United Nations Conference on the Human Environment. A key comment in this Declaration explains why Paris is of limited consequence for the larger goal.
Local and national governments will bear the greatest burden for large-scale environmental policy and action within their jurisdictions. International cooperation is also needed in order to raise resources to support the developing countries in carrying out their responsibilities in this field.
This objective was set out in Local Agenda 21 Planning Guide, prepared by The International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives (ICLEI) with a Foreword by Strong. One person who stumbled across this document and realized the implications wrote,
Community leaders around the world are now called to implement a new “Communitarian” system of governance, which overrides our (US) constitutional rights and freedoms.
“Land…cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market. Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth and therefore contributes to social injustice; if unchecked, it may become a major obstacle in the planning and implementation of development schemes. Public control of land use is therefore indispensable….”
The idea and process appear in Chapter 28 of Agenda 21.
“Each local authority should enter into a dialogue with its citizens, local organizations, and private enterprises and adopt ‘a local Agenda 21.’ Through consultation and consensus-building, local authorities would learn from citizens and from local, civic, community, business and industrial organizations and acquire the information needed for formulating the best strategies.” (Agenda 21, Chapter 28, sec 1,3.)
While everybody is focused on Paris, a steady ubiquitous plan of action is taking control of all communities. It is the Climate Action Plan that stems from Agenda 21 using IPCC climate science and predictions as justification. It is central to the diatribe that appears on the White House web page.
In 2007, the British Columbia government of Gordon Campbell was persuaded to create a Climate Action Committee to implement a Climate Action Plan. The committee appeared diversified, but the presence of Andrew Weaver lead author in four IPCC Reports (1995, 2001, 2007, and 2013) guaranteed his dominance. David Keith was at the University of Calgary where he created a Carbon Engineering a company producing CO2 sequestration technology, in my opinion, it is a conflict of interest. Keith is now at Harvard University. The list of Ex-Officio members comprises other IPCC members and all academics at the University of Victoria, including three computer modelers. The non-academic committee members were completely overwhelmed.
The Committee produced the Climate Action Plan (CAP) (It is likely this link won’t open. However, you can access it through this page, lower right hand corner) that included a carbon tax and the installation of Smart Meters. (At the Heartland Conference in Las Vegas, a person identified himself after my presentation as the inventor of the Smart Meter and said they are not being used as I intended.) Smart meters are promoted by BC Hydro the utility that controls all power in the Province. Most of the opposition to the meters involves health effects from the RF transmissions. The larger problem is their potential use for identifying what the authorities determine as excessive users. On page 10 of the document, Weaver confirms the objective of ignoring what Federal levels of government do just as Strong planned.
“What [the B.C. government has] done here is they recognize this is the right thing to do, it’s the only thing to do to address this problem and we’re not going to wait for the feds or someone to do it. We’re going to show leadership in North America and you watch, it’s going to start to have a ripple down effect and others are going to start to join up as the years go by.”
This appears like more conflict of interest, as he is the one who used IPCC computer models to create the proof that human CO2 was the problem. This despite, the complete failure of any projection they ever made. Weaver is now Green Party leader in BC and a member of the Provincial Legislation. The PR Company for BCHydro is Hoggan and Associates. James Hoggan is also Chairman of the David Suzuki Foundation and proud creator of DeSmogblog as he attests in his book Climate Cover-Up.
I became aware of the intrusive nature of the CAP when invited to make a presentation on Mayne Island in the Straits of Georgia (Figure 1).
Figure 1 (Source: BC Ferries)
A group of concerned citizens attended a presentation by Provincial government bureaucrats promoting the CAP. It began with showing Al Gore’s movie An Inconvenient Truth followed by a discussion of proposed plans, including banning all vehicular traffic. I was invited to make a public PowerPoint question and answer presentation. The local eco-bully immediately attacked, I use that term deliberately, and left early when I was able to answer all his questions and counteract his claims. Now there are a group of citizens who constantly monitor what is going on including asking occasional questions of clarification. The problem is I cannot visit every community or counteract the power, accessibility and persistence of the bureaucracy. As Laurence Peter, creator of the Peter Principle explained,
Bureaucracy defends the status quo long past the time the quo has lost its status.
The extent of the intrusiveness of CAP continues despite the meaningless nature of Paris. Figure 2 shows the number of US States already committed to CAP.
Figure 2
I urge people to find out what is happening in their State or local government. They are under the pressure to save the planet sweetened with a variety of financial incentives that are hard to resist, but as the people of Mayne Island found, they never heard the “other side’ of the story. The problem is there is the combined waste of Federal money and the negative impact on societies and economies all to deal with a false problem created by the UN.
Paris achieved its goal in allowing Obama to achieve his personal objectives. All participants agreed to an agreement because they are all there with personal objectives. It is like the comment about “honor among thieves”. The real drivers of the agenda didn’t care because they know the agenda of total control, as devised by Maurice Strong through Agenda 21, is in full flight as Local Agenda 21, but almost completely under the radar. The actions are cloaked in the claim that the planet will be free, released from the burdens imposed by capitalism and those who seek individual liberty. As Vaclav Klaus, former President of the Czech Republic said as his opening remark as Keynote Speaker at the first Heartland Climate Conference in New York, “We just went through 70 years of communism, why the hell would you want to go back to that?” He also wrote in his book “Blue Planet in Green Shackles,”
It should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual as the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a noble idea.”
It’s time to drag out this brilliant talk (again) about UN Agenda 21 by Rosa Koire.
Not too many people understand what UN Agenda 21 is about and how it relates to COP21 etc.
“Agenda 21 is a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which human impacts on the environment.” – quote from the first page of UN Agenda 21.
This is a very entertaining and informative video, and I still think it is her best talk. (You only have to watch the first half to get the gist of it, and what Agenda 21 is).
I’m beginning to get over my apprehension, to the point that I am now seriously looking forward to the day, just over a year from now, when President Trump countermands all of Obama’s Executive Orders.
And when President Trump does nothing to countermand all of Obama’s Executive Orders, will you be willing to admit that a President Cruz would have been a better choice?
Agree. Cruz would be a better choice…
Maybe. But that’s presuming one knows the future, don’t you think?
All we have to go on are candidates’ statements, and their past credibility. I think both Cruz and Trump are credible. IANAR, but I’ll go with their nominee, whoever it is. Certainly Hilliary isn’t credible or trustworthy. That makes it a no-brainer.
Hate to say it, but if you can’t beat ’em, well, join ’em! (Pretty original saying, eh?) And, a Climate Action Plan is simply not good enough. We need more. We need the damaged climate to be Renewed. We need it to be Revitalized. And we need for our efforts to be Reinvigorated.
Enough with CAP alright already. We need to start the Climate Renewal Action Plan right now. We need as much Climate Renewal Action Planning as we can get. Our leaders need our commitment to Climate Revitalization Action Planning to be so deep, so very deep, that we need hip high waders to be sludging, er, slugging our way through it to success. We need our gentle Climate Action Planning to be changed to a much more umphing Climate Reinvigorated Action Planning so that all of us are up to our necks in it. Only then will society truly get and discover the true goal it’s been asking for.
Maybe I should put a sarc/ tag on that comment.
Should it be called Climate Reality Action Plan?
There is another world, outside of that of Agenda 21 and similar weird conspiracies , but whilst more real , it is no less depressing .
According to a senior Telegraph journalist , the situation of Western banks and world trade in the US/EU/UK zone is worrying him and his contacts as well as the IMF head . As he (Halligan) says :
“My final fear for 2016 is that world trade slows further, acting as an additional anchor on global growth.
Last year, trade grew by just 2.4pc, the lowest figure for many years and down from 3.4pc in 2014.
The Doha trade “round” has just been officially abandoned, the first failure of a multi-lateral negotiation since the 1930s. The danger now is that protectionism rises, and diplomatic rancour grows. Clear-minded people across the world must hope that doesn’t come to pass. ”
Why is this relevant in the context of this post?
Because this is the real world of trade, industry and finance that operates or tries to, outside the world conjured up by the likes of Oreskes and Klein and the CAGW fanatics , and the media and politicians that they have captivated. The same Establishment mixture of politicians , bureaucrats , journalists and celebrity writers that are proposing ever deeper descents into debt for US and UK in order to carry out the demands of COP21 are those that are responsible for the appalling mess of death, destruction and immigration in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan since 2003. They used fraud (Blair certainly did) to get us into this mess and have no clear idea what to do now . If they cannot get that right , what chance is there that the significant financial sacrifice of US ,UK, Canada and Australia will not be a financial disaster as China and India forge ahead in the coming years ?
In 15 years time my children and grand children will be asking how could any group of rational beings create such a mess of previously successful economies.
Ultimately, I believe one only has to look here …
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/webdata/ccgg/trends/co2_data_mlo.png
No indication of Kyoto and one really has to struggle to spot any kind of recession.
I hereby guarantee that nothing will change, CO2 wise, post Paris. It has nothing to do with CO2. They are all about ensuring that, bit by bit, you will join the ‘collective’. After all, Communism would be great if only we gave it a chance and actually tried it.
This post exemplifies exactly what I have been saying on this forum and others about the dangers of Agenda 21.
Agenda 21 is rife in my country and especially my earthquake raged city.
Please read my blog on this subject and be sure to visit every page and every link. It is important that we see this and recognize it in our own cities.
Cheers
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com
@rogerthesurf
Thanks for your post and link. Interesting stuff…
You can see how Agenda 21 works locally in the USA if you watch the Rosa Koire video I posted above.
Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth and therefore contributes to social injustice; if unchecked, it may become a major obstacle in the planning and implementation of development schemes. Public control of land use is therefore indispensable….”
Happening in Australia. Due to the Kyoto, politicians threw the burden on farmers by telling them they could not clear their own land or control regrowth on cleared land. We had one man climb a pole and and have a hunger strike until Environmental bureaucrats allowed him to return his farm to profitability. The draconian laws meant he could not make a living on his farm, he had owned for 30 years, nor could he sell it because it was too unproductive.
The law in Queensland was so bad that it meant if a green bureaucrat drove onto your property, you were already guilty with fines up to $250,000. The fines were designed to drive the farmer broke.
The cost of fighting them was over $100,000 and the way the law was written, it was very difficult to prove your innocence. The law was written that the government only had to make an accusation, not prove it.
One man had enough reserves to challenge the accusations in court. He exposed the greens as telling any written lie they could. Even caught out, the legislation was so heavily biased that it was technicalities in the legislation that tripped up the government.
They also claimed all the water that fell as government water, despite the absurdity that they did not supply it. So agenda 21 is alive and well. They have removed riparian rights and replaced them with statutory rights, which the government can remove.
Jack. In the US, waters of the US (originally intended to navigable waters) have been extend to ephemeral streams of a m or so in width and with drainage areas of a on the order of ha or so. Of course, this extends to the ephemeral streams of Phoenix area and the Las Vegas Area. The feds (EPA and US Army Corps of Engineers) can now extend their ownership and control of these streams right up to your home.
the ultimate plan continues to be the raiding of retirement funds:
2 Jan: UK Independent: Tom Bawden: Climate change targets ‘have huge implications for UK pensioners’
Pension funds urge Britain’s biggest carbon polluters to come clean over financial crisis that lies ahead
A ???legally binding agreement struck by world leaders in Paris last month, to reduce greenhouse gas emissions dramatically, has huge implications for pensioners, who have billions of pounds invested in “carbon-intensive” companies.
Analysts say that more than three-quarters of the world’s known coal, oil and gas reserves will have to stay in the ground if the planet is to have any chance of meeting the target to limit global warming to between 1.5C and 2C…
Yet many “carbon-intensive” companies are behaving as though it is “business as usual”, when they should be telling investors what the dangers are and how they are dealing with them. This approach is completely untenable, say pension funds and law firms, now that the Paris agreement has removed any doubt that companies could carry on as normal.
“Business as usual is not an option for very carbon-intensive companies,” said Stephanie Maier, the head of responsible strategy and research at Aviva, the insurance giant that manages £267bn of investments. She also speaks for the Institutional Investors Group on Climate Change, a coalition of 120 financial institutions managing nearly £10trn of funds in nine countries…
***Britain’s pensioners are also being asked to help themselves by putting pressure on their pension fund managers to find out just how exposed the country’s biggest companies are to climate change…
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/climate-change-targets-have-huge-implications-for-uk-pensioners-a6794161.html
***those with retirement funds need to do the opposite of what the MSM CAGW gatekeepers keep suggesting. they should write to their fund managers and demand they DO NOT invest any of their monies in any CAGW-related adVENTURE.
I sit here thinking about this post by Dr. Tim Ball and about the catastrophic anthropogenic global warming by CO2 delusion. I am positive that the governments of the west played a huge part in this grand mistake. Governmental incentives, grants, tax breaks, loans, jobs, and so on led to this present state of affairs.
Governmental agencies federal, state, and local have all been part of lying to the public by commission or by omission. Graphs created to mislead, cherry picking, ignoring the laws of physics and thermodynamics and much more played a part. The government schools from Kindergarten to high schools were co-opted into selling the delusion of CO2 as a poison.
My question is: when you know all of the above as many here do (and much better than I do for many of them) — how could you believe anything the State or its willing prostitutes the main stream press (presstitute?) has to tell you?
If I were an eye witness to an event and the press reported on it just as I saw it — that would make me question my own account of the event. (after all, eye witnesses are wrong at times say the experts) More to the point, if the NYT said that the sun rose in the east I would get up the next morning at dawn to check them out.
Renewables giant, Abengoa, was not a great investment:
3 Jan: InsiderTradingReport: Company Shares of Abengoa, S.A. Drops by -16.88%
Abengoa, S.A. has lost 16.88% during the past week and dropped 43.11% in the last 4 weeks…
Abengoa SA has dropped 72.41% during the last 3-month period . Year-to-Date the stock performance stands at -92.85%…
Institutional Investors own 9.49% of Abengoa, S.A. shares.
http://www.insidertradingreport.org/company-shares-of-abengoa-s-a-nasdaqabgb-drops-by-16-88/6211175/
Thanks, Dr. Ball.
This is what we carbon-based humans are facing: feudalism as a system of world government.
Not very progressive, I’m afraid.
And it seems to me that the only thing that can save save us would be the very bitter “medicine” of evident global cooling; A loose-loose proposition, unless we act to elect the right leaders.
If you want to scare yourself even more Dr. Ball, read “not a shot was fired” by Jan Kozak on how to manipulate free nation parliaments into communist governments by using the existing tools available in parliaments. It was written 40 years ago and Czechoslovakia was the prototype case of how it worked.
Obama is following this to a tee and it is ‘must read’ stuff for neo Marxists. The entire book is available on Amazon.com but it’s $80 a copy. Only ideologues would lay out that kind of cash for it so it is a quasi secret. I think it is even more “must read” material for GOP candidates so that they know the diabolical wisdom of how to achieve the subversion of free nations so they will recognize what has already happened. To read what it is all about free go to this pdf:
http://www.robertwelchuniversity.org/Not%20a%20Shot.pdf
This is why a new president has to be someone for whom nothing is too big to fail, one who will eschew the alluring benefits of bigger cash flow to government, one who will chop the civil service at least in half, starting with the department administrators down to the lowest level where this stuff has been rising to the top for a long time. Chop the programs, repatriate powers to states, educate state legislators on the insidious erosion of the constitution and all freedoms, and root out Agenda 21. This stuff was all distilled from 75 years of work by apparatchiks in a nation of chess players. Your average soshulist sociologist professors in Harvard and virtually all academic and government departments are pimple-faced naifs compared to the strategists of the east (it’s no wonder Lenin referred to the cominterm in Europe and elsewhere as useful idiots).
Please don’t be stupid anymore voters and politicians.
Three copies of Kozak’s book “Not a Shot is Fired” are currently available at Abebooks.com for less than $25.00.
The book is scarce, so get it while you can.
Dr. Tim Ball for President. You got my vote!…
Sorry, Dr. Ball is Canadian. You can’t have him.
The United Nations itself has become the greatest evil of our time in the 21st century. It must be stopped!
With trillions of Dollars, Euros, Pounds and Yens amongst others there is not wonder that the Vatican would demand a place at the UN Table to feast and feed its communist agenda.
In the 90s it was a joke that the internet/www was the only place on Earth where communism actually survived and flourished.
Then AOL merged with Time Warner and the Dot Com era crashed and died.
Hopefully the merger of the UN and Vatican will ensue a crash and death of the merged communist organization.
Why would the UN merge with the Vatican?
The UN has no “moral authority” whereas the Vatican does in the minds of its adherents.
The merger would give the UN the Moral Authority to begin ethnic cleansing of humans to fulfill the edicts of the Club of Rome and decimate human population to 4 billion in order to “Save The Earth!”
To fulfill the UN’s (Bon Ki Moon’s) sexual desires, the UN need an army, that is where ISIS comes to play for the UN!
ISIS the ARMY OF GOD to rule the Earth for the UN!
Ha ha
Thanks Dr. Ball, this stuff is far more important than climate to distribute widely.
If you want to scare yourself even more read “not a shot was fired” by Jan Kozak on how to manipulate free nation parliaments into Kom##@st governments by using the existing tools available in parliaments. It was written 40 years ago and Czechoslovakia was the prototype case of how it worked.
Obama is following this to a tee as already installed in the EU (the formation of the EU was really to meet the unstated requirements of such planners) and it is ‘must read’ stuff for neomarxbrothers. The entire book is available on Amazon.com but it’s $80 a copy. Only sinistral strategists would lay out that kind of cash for it so it is a quasi secret. I think it is even more “must read” material for GOP candidates so that they know the diabolical wisdom of how the ‘conversion’ of free nations is achieved so they will recognize what has already happened. To read what it is all about free go to this pdf:
http://www.robertwelchuniversity.org/Not%20a%20Shot.pdf
This is why a new president has to be someone for whom nothing is too big to fail, one who will eschew the alluring benefits of bigger cash flow to government coffers, one who will chop the civil service at least in half, starting with the department administrators down to the lowest level where this stuff has been fomenting and rising to the top for a long time. Chop the programs, repatriate powers to states, educate state legislators on the insidious erosion of the constitution and all freedoms, and root out Agenda 21. Oh and re-install a real education system. This cloaky stuff was all distilled from 75 years of work by apparatchiks in a nation of chess players and their admirers elsewhere. Your average soshulist professors in Harvard and virtually all academic and government departments are pimple-faced naifs compared to the strategists from the east (it’s no wonder Lenin referred to such in Europe and elsewhere as useful idiots).
Please, America, don’t be stupid anymore- voters and politicians.
Here is the US track record on energy planning: https://books.google.ca/books?id=LjhtdMmJdQMC&pg=PA63&lpg=PA63&dq=the+gods+of+energy+planning+foolishness&source=bl&ots=SxIpnOv2Na&sig=VG7CE3ZJ5z0gVCHupnB-Ca22zok&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNxs_ojY_KAhWEFh4KHXm0CNgQ6AEIGzAA#v=onepage&q=the%20gods%20of%20energy%20planning%20foolishness&f=false
https://books.google.ca/books?id=LjhtdMmJdQMC&pg=PA63&lpg=PA63&dq=the+gods+of+energy+planning+foolishness&source=bl&ots=SxIpnOv2Na&sig=VG7CE3ZJ5z0gVCHupnB-Ca22zok&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNxs_ojY_KAhWEFh4KHXm0CNgQ6AEIGzAA#v=onepage&q=the%20gods%20of%20energy%20planning%20foolishness&f=false
As socialism demands that there be a ruling class to impose socialism on the proletariat (the slaves), do all these idiots assume that they will be part of the ruling elite? Just as in The Hunger Games, the people of the Capitol will see themselves as so “burdened” with controlling the lives of the slaves, economy, etc. and so superior and powerful that they will make sure that they have delightful lives, full of all the top-level luxuries.
The Paris Climate Agreement is based on the idea that somehow CO2 affects climate. But,despite all the claims, there is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate. There is no such evidence in the paleoclimate record. There is evidence that warmer temperatures cause more CO2 to enter the atmosphere but there is no evidence that this additional CO2 causes any more warming. If additional greenhouse gases caused additional warming then the primary culprit would have to be H2O which depends upon the warming of just the surfaces of bodies of water and not their volume but such is not part of the AGW conjecture. In other words CO2 increases in the atmosphere as huge volumes of water increase in temperature but more H2O enters the atmosphere as just the surface of bodies of water warm. We live in a water world where the majority of the Earth’s surface is some form of water.
The AGW theory is that adding CO2 to the atmosphere causes an increase in its radiant thermal insulation properties causing restrictions in heat flow which in turn cause warming at the Earth’s surface and the lower atmosphere. In itself the effect is small because we are talking about small changes in the CO2 content of the atmosphere and CO2 comprises only about .04% of dry atmosphere if it were only dry but that is not the case. Actually H2O, which averages around 2%, is the primary greenhouse gas. The AGW conjecture is that the warming causes more H2O to enter the atmosphere which further increases the radiant thermal insulation properties of the atmosphere and by so doing so amplifies the effect of CO2 on climate. At first this sounds very plausible. This is where the AGW conjecture ends but that is not all what must happen if CO2 actually causes any warming at all.
Besides being a greenhouse gas, H2O is also a primary coolant in the Earth’s atmosphere transferring heat energy from the Earth;s surface to where clouds form via the heat of vaporization. More heat energy is moved by H2O via phase change then by both convection and LWIR absorption band radiation combined. More H2O means that more heat energy gets moved which provides a negative feedback to any CO2 based warming that might occur. Then there is the issue of clouds. More H2O means more clouds. Clouds not only reflect incoming solar radiation but they radiate to space much more efficiently then the clear atmosphere they replace. Clouds provide another negative feedback. Then there is the issue of the upper atmosphere which cools rather than warms. The cooling reduces the amount of H2O up there which decreases any greenhouse gas effects that CO2 might have up there. In total, H2O provides negative feedback’s which must be the case because negative feedback systems are inherently stable as has been the Earth’s climate for at least the past 500 million years, enough for life to evolve. We are here. The wet lapse rate being smaller then the dry lapse rate is further evidence of H2O’s cooling effects.
The entire so called, “greenhouse” effect that the AGW conjecture is based upon is at best very questionable. A real greenhouse does not stay warm because of the heat trapping effects of greenhouse gases. A real greenhouse stays warm because the glass reduces cooling by convection. This is a convective greenhouse effect. So too on Earth..The surface of the Earth is 33 degrees C warmer than it would be without an atmosphere because gravity limits cooling by convection. This convective greenhouse effect is observed on all planets in the solar system with thick atmospheres and it has nothing to do with the LWIR absorption properties of greenhouse gases. the convective greenhouse effect is calculated from first principals and it accounts for all 33 degrees C. There is no room for an additional radiant greenhouse effect. Our sister planet Venus with an atmosphere that is more than 90 times more massive then Earth’s and which is more than 96% CO2 shows no evidence of an additional radiant greenhouse effect. The high temperatures on the surface of Venus can all be explained by the planet’s proximity to the sun and its very dense atmosphere. The radiant greenhouse effect of the AGW conjecture has never been observed. If CO2 did affect climate then one would expect that the increase in CO2 over the past 30 years would have caused an increase in the natural lapse rate in the troposphere but that has not happened. Considering how the natural lapse rate has changed as a function of an increase in CO2, the climate sensitivity of CO2 must equal 0.0.
The AGW conjecture talks about CO2 absorbing IR photons and then re radiating them out in all directions. According to this, then CO2 does not retain any of the IR heat energy it absorbs so it cannot be heat trapping. What the AGW conjecture fails to mention is that typically between the time of absorption and radiation that the same CO2 molecule, in the lower troposphere, undergoes roughly a billion physical interactions with other molecules, sharing heat related energy with each interaction. Heat transfer by conduction and convection dominates over heat transfer by LWIR absorption band radiation in the troposphere which further renders CO2’s radiant greenhouse effect as a piece of fiction. Above the troposphere more CO2 enhances the efficiency of LWIR absorption band radiation to space so more CO2 must have a cooling effect.
This is all a matter of science
C’mon: “… despite all the claims, there is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate” You are, of course, totally and quite provably an ideologically driven scientific naïf. Do me — and all of us — the small favor of doing a bit better research into long-wave radiation that would prevent you from making such silly, silly assertions as “Heat transfer by conduction and convection dominates over heat transfer by LWIR absorption band radiation in the troposphere which further renders CO2’s radiant greenhouse effect as a piece of fiction,”, m’kay? Back to school, sir …
Oh, and “The high temperatures on the surface of Venus can all be explained by the planet’s proximity to the sun and its very dense atmosphere,” and “gravity limits cooling by convection.” Do you do stand-up comedy in your free time?
This is, after all, “a matter of science.” You should study it some day.
I present the truth. If you think that there is some real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate then please present some.
Seems Rik has missed out on any education apart from AGW propaganda BS. !
Go for it Rik. present the evidence… no one else has ever done so.
Will is totally correct.
In the lower atmosphere, convection and conduction control all final heat and energy transfers.
And energy absorbed by CO2 below about 15km is immediately passed to out atoms via conduction, and the energy dealt with as all other energy, by convection. this convection is controlled by the atmospheric pressure gradient.
CO2 does NOT re-emit below about 15km.
http://s19.postimg.org/6bv57dpo3/stratospheric_cooling.jpg
And gees, with CO2 absorbing all that radiation, wouldn’t it be funny if outgoing longwave radiation actually INCREASED. 😉
Ps.. CO2 absorption is actually depleted within about 10m of the surface..
And CO2 does not emit below 15km..
There is absolutely NO mechanism whereby CO2 can “trap” energy in the Earth’s atmosphere.
The whole idea is a load of codswabble !!
Spurious correlations in climate science
The argument is not furthered by using two simple labels ‘capitalism’ and ‘socialism’. The fact is that capitalism, at its logical extremes (as espoused by Jeff Bezos) makes 99.9999% of people slaves and 0.00001% so rich it is inhuman.
‘Capitalism’ must not be equated with ‘no governance’, since the principle of capitalism is not about governance, rather about the most effective allocation of capital.
The assumption of ‘hyper-capitalists’ is that any interference by government ‘prevents the optimal allocation of capital’.
The reason this assumption must be challenged is the question: ‘for whom is the allocation of capital optimal?’
Options:
1. For the shareholders of private limited companies?
2. For the majority of citizens in an economy/the world?
3. For future generations, as yet unborn?
4. For all species on earth?
5. Other options?
I am making no statements as to which option I consider best, I am merely stating the uncomfortable fact that saying that it is option 1 or nothing is where current hyper capitalists reside.
Currently, in the West, there is a very small elite with so much money that they are not allocating all their excess capital in the economies where they reside. A lot of the time, they are simply not allocating it at all.
So the question is: if the owners of capital are only interested in outcomes for themselves and if the majority of capital is owned by a very small number of people, is capitalism enforced in that manner ever likely to benefit the majority??
Like all things, capitalism goes through cycles of birth, growth, death and renewal and currently it is in the death throes of one cycle.
If it wishes to renew itself as a relevant economic creed, it will need to modify its implementation somewhat……
Some good news in the backyard of Elizabeth May. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/donkin-mine-jobs-fair-1.3386535
So do they not have access to the internet on these islands to fact check anything like hurricane frequency and intensity claims? And they are spoon fed pseudo science from political figures with scare tactics. They still speak with forked tongues to the tribes.
Ovo pisem na srpskom i neka ostali koriste prevod, kao sto to ja radim kada prevodim na Srpski.
Sto se tice gornjeg teksta, ja sam odavno ucestvovao u raznim diskusijama o klimatskim promjenama, ali , nazalost, niko nije obracao paznju na to , da sam ja, uvijek tvrdio da su uzroci klimatskih promjena na svim planetama , medjusobni odnosi svih nebeskih tijela u suncevom sistemu. Najveca zabluda, zamlacivanje civilizacije i glupost je tvrdnja da su klimatske promjene posljedica ljudskog fakrora i da je to CO2.
Ja sam dosao do dokaza ,ko su glavni uzrocnici Klimatskih promjena i zato posjedujem osnovne podatke, sa kojima se moze saznati svaka promjena u svim vremenima. Osnovni pokazatelj toga je cijklus suncevih pjega od oko 11.2 godina, ali to je samo jedan vidljiv podatak, medju hiljadama drugih koji govore o svim detaljima tih uzroka, njihovih velicina i osobina. Ako iko ima ikakvog interesa i ako smije da se udruzi u moje istrazivanje, garantujem da ce se sve na zemlji promijeniti, kada se razrade detaljno moji postulati u vezi tih promjena .Gospodo , nemojte se bojati istine!! Hajde da ovo rijesimo za sva vremena, Nikola
PLEASE , TRANSLATE THIsIN ENGLISH!!!
угодити пронаћи енглески говорник присталица. Хвала!
(Please find an English speaking friend to help translate. Thank you.)
more or less
In this case, Google translate may be our friend:
I write in Serbian and some others use Firefox, as I’m doing when I translate to Serbian.
With regard to the above text, I have long participated in various discussions on climate change, but, unfortunately, no one paid attention to it, I’m always claimed that the causes of climate change on all planets, relationships of all celestial bodies in the solar system. The biggest misconception, messing civilization and nonsense is the claim that climate change is a consequence of human FAKR and it’s CO2.
I came to the evidence, who are the main causes of climate change and therefore possess the basic information with which to find any change at all times. The main indicator that the sunspot cijklus of about 11.2 years, but this is just one visible fact, among the thousands of others who talk about all the details of these causes, their size and characteristics. If anyone has any interest, and if not to join in my research, I guarantee that they will all change on the ground, when the elaborate detail of my assumptions about these changes .Gospodo, do not be afraid of the truth !! Let’s work this out for all time, Nikola
Or in summary: it’s the Sun, stupid.
cijklus = cycles
fakrora = factors (human factors)
Gospodo= Gentlemen
He appears to be saying that the main cause of climate change is the relationship between the celestial bodies of the solar system and their influence on each other, with the clearest indication of such relationship being the sunspot cycle of 11.2 years.
No idea where Goog.Trans. came up with his use of Firefox, unless (BG) you are using FF as a browser and Google made note of that. It appears that he may have translated into Serbian from Croatian, (as some words wouldn’t translate directly to Serbian- thinking it would be easier to translate into English. There are even some Bulgarian words which didn’t translate, but that is a commonly spoken language in Serbia, so who knows.
from article:
“This is what drives the style of planning that predominates in that country. (You can do all the “planning” of urban development you want, but unless people actually want to live in the high-density houses you’re building, they will remain empty. The reason they are attractive to people in the Netherlands is that the alternatives are unattractive, largely because of the cost.)”
“largely because of the cost” except for he Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and Al Gores of the world who can afford it. Welcome the new serf class.