Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
A while back, folks noticed that a couple of months after the El Nino kicked in across the Pacific, the earth would warm up a bit. Since then, people have engaged in what they describe as “removing the El Nino signal” from the global temperature record. A while back I wrote a post called “Why El Nino and not the AMO“. If you have not read that post, it lays out some of my objections to the procedure of “removing the El Nino signal”. This post carries those ideas forward.
I got to thinking about just how well the El Nino 3.4 area does or doesn’t forecast the evolution of the global temperature, and I realized that I could look at that question using the CERES satellite data. Figure 1 shows the correlation of local temperatures with the global average temperature two months later:
Figure 1. Correlation of local temperatures with the global temperature two months later. All observations have had the monthly variations removed. Blue rectangle outlines the El Nino 3.4 area from 120° West to 170° West and extending 5° north and south of the Equator. Data from CERES Mar 2000 – Feb 2014.
As you can see, while the El Nino 3.4 Index will give us an idea of future global temperatures, it is by no means the only area which can do so. In fact, the red area in the tropical Atlantic is better correlated with future global temperatures than is the El Nino 3.4 area.
Having seen that, I thought, well, what areas are the best at predicting the temperature of just the Northern Hemisphere two months ahead? Figure 2 shows that result.
Figure 2. Correlation of local temperatures with the northern hemisphere temperature two months later. Blue rectangle outlines the El Nino 3.4 area. Data from CERES Mar 2000 – Feb 2014.
This is most interesting. While the El Nino 3.4 area is barely better than random at predicting the NH temperature, the area in the Atlantic is quite strongly correlated with the future NH temperature.
And the Southern Hemisphere? Figure 3 below has those results:
Figure 3. Correlation of local temperatures with the southern hemisphere temperature two months later. Blue rectangle outlines the El Nino 3.4 area. Data from CERES Mar 2000 – Feb 2014.
I do enjoy surprises. I’d expected somewhere in the Southern Hemisphere to have the greatest correlation with . Instead, it turns out to be exactly centered on the El Nino 3.4 area outlined by the blue rectangle.
Now, it does strike me that we could do a passable job at predicting the global temperatures a couple of months ahead using nothing more than those last two maps for the northern and southern hemispheres. Might make an interesting and possibly profitable project for someone with more time on their hands than I have.
But I’m still leery of subtracting those predictions from the actual data and calling it “removing the El Nino effect” for a couple of reasons. First, “removing the El Nino” doesn’t help us with the Northern Hemisphere temperature. To the contrary, it just adds noise.
But more importantly, the El Nino/La Nina pumping action is not a true cause of changing temperatures in the sense that a volcanic eruption or a change in the amount of top-of-atmosphere total solar insolation is a cause of changing temperatures. Instead, the fluctuations in oceanic temperatures are in turn a result of some previous condition. I term this a “chain of effects”. For example:
Figure 4. Correlation of local temperatures with the El Nino 3.4 area two months later. Blue rectangle outlines the El Nino 3.4 area. Data from CERES Mar 2000 – Feb 2014.
In Figure 4 we can see that high temperatures in the El Nino 3.4 region are in turn presaged by low temperatures off of Australia and the Philippines (blue areas). As I said, the El Nino/La Nina is not a cause. It’s just part of a chain of effects.
And as a result, yes, you can pick out the red area in the tropical Atlantic and “remove its effects” from the temperature … but what is it that you end up with? Or you could “remove” both the tropical Atlantic and the El Nino variation … and “remove” the PDO, and the QBO as well … but what is it that remains once you’ve done that?
As always, my best wishes for everyone on what is a lovely rainy day here …
w.
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Very cool. Extremely interesting the nino connection to SH temperature. Maybe just because it’s even more a water world. Maybe because the southern vortex hinders mixing with antarctic air.
…yes, you can pick out the red area in the tropical Atlantic and “remove its effects” from the temperature … but what is it that you end up with? Or you could “remove” both the tropical Atlantic and the El Nino variation … and “remove” the PDO, and the QBO as well … but what is it that remains once you’ve done that?…
Presumably, if you do it correctly, you end up by seeing smaller effects from other phenomena which have been hidden by the big El Nino impact.
And if you ‘remove’ those as well, you would end up with a single flat temperature line which should match the theoretical temperature for a sphere spinning at 1 rev/24 hours at an inclination of 23 deg warmed by a nuclear reactor 94m miles away…
The assumption is that you will be left with an alarming upward curve due to AGW. But this is the semantic trick of calling them “oscillations” .
Though it is NEVER said explicitly this introduces an implication and the totally unfounded *assumption* that all these “oscillations” are a net zero effect. Like a swinging pendulum.
It’s all carefully crafted terminology like temperature “anomalies” implying something abnormal is happening. Word games masquerading as science.
A fascinating idea if it could be done. You should be able then to obtain a rough bundle of feedbacks ( individuals maybe not so much) that at least would show the magnitude of what’s to be dealt with.
If the gross net feedback is small – no worries. Something different needs to be done to cure the infestation of political science in the wrong domain.
I’m wondering what’s missing here: “I do enjoy surprises. I’d expected somewhere in the Southern Hemisphere to have the greatest correlation with .”
Sorry for the confusion, Meridan. Not sure anything is missing, but what I meant was that I was surprised that the area with the greatest correlation with the Southern Hemisphere two months ahead was not actually in the Southern Hemisphere, but was on the Equator.
w.
Remember that a preposition is not something to end a sentence with.
Hi willis/everyone,
Help needed. Is there an article somewhere which explains exactly how El Nino warms the planet? Is the warming due to an increase in tropical deep convection? Is it due to a disruption of the Walker circulation, which moves tropical surface heat to the upper troposphere where it radiates into space? If it is a disruption in the Walker circulation, what is that disruption? Is it something else?
For years I assumed that there was an increase in tropical precipitation but I haven’t spotted such a pattern in rainfall data. Reanalysis data, which has inherent limitations, doesn’t seem to provide clear fingerprints of the mechanisms. Most articles I’ve read seem to handwave their explanations of the warming mechanism. Perhaps I’m dense and am missing the obvious.
Thanks in advance for any help,
David
I’d say all you need to do is search for “bob tisdale enso” in your favorite search engine.
davidsmith651 December 18, 2015 at 11:47 am
Good question, David. Actually, the El Nino/La Nina function together as a pump which moves huge volumes of warm surface water from the equatorial Pacific to the poles, where it is more free to radiate to space. In addition, this pumping action exposes the atmosphere to the cooler subsurface Pacific waters.
Overall, both of these processes cool the planet. I’ve put up a couple of posts about this, hang on … OK, here they are:
My regards to you,
w.
How about looking at a correlation between global temp and ENSO only when the NINO 3.4 region is either +- 0.5? By removing the neutral conditions then I bet you’d see a very convincing correlation.
But I certainly agree with the premise of your essay, why remove it at all? Shouldn’t they just look at a 3-5 year running average?
Can anyone tell me what if anything is increasingly warm body of water off the east coast of N.America? Or it’s due completely to the cold blob that seems to have blocked the way of the Gulf currents? I’ve been eyeballing this setting from REN’s links for a yr or more and it also seems to be increasing in size. http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/ocean/surface/currents/overlay=sea_surface_temp_anomaly/orthographic=-71.81,21.55,376
We’ve had a nice a balmy fall and now almost winter compared to the last few we’ve had. Nice difference that I love, what’s so wrong with a few degrees of warmth? Flora and fauna are loving it too.
Great post again Willis,
I’m sure you have already done this, as you are usually pretty thorough, but have you looked at an array of time-lags to see if the predictive power is better using a different lag value?
In other words, maybe the anecdotal “2 months” is just off… and a different lag works better?
Regards.
-a
Thanks, Anton. I did look at longer lags. Since the results at a lag of 2 months was about the same as the results at 3 months, I used two months.
Part of the problem is that the equatorial areas are on an ~ 6 month cycle for things like sun position and temperature. As a result, when you get to 3 month lags that’s half a cycle, which can give you anomalous results not due to an actual lag. So I tend to shy away from three month lags.
w.
Cheers to Willis Eschenbach and the WUWT commenters here for a delightful and informative discussion.
An atmosphere sadly lacking in mainstream climate exploration (I can’t bring myself to call it science anymore)
Thanks, Willis.
A very interesting article.
Yes, I think ENSO is the best correlated phenomena to global temperatures.
Heat from the Sun, modulated by shading clouds and winds warming the Pacific Ocean. Then oceanic currents moving it. Atmospheric CO2 just points to an ever-warming Earth, with little modulation apart from seasonal fluctuations.
Bob Tisdale has been showing this.
Willis,
You remove the obvious anual cycle from the CERES data, right? That makes perfect sense, because it is clear the anual cycle doesn’t contain information about a long term trend. Removing the influence of ENSO has exactly the same logic. ENSO is not a clean a cycle as the annual cycle, of course, but that is a liitle beside the point: there is a recognized internal variation which in the long term averages to zero in influence. Makes perfect sence to take it into account, just as with the annual cycle.
The lack of strong correlation of ENSO with temperatures outside the tropics has been recognized for a long time. The leading correlation of the region you identified in the Atlantic with northern hemisphere temperatures is something new, and potentially very useful in understanding short term variation.
Thanks for the interesting write up Willis. I’m not quite sure where it leads yet, but at least your ‘teleconnections’ make a lot more sense than the tree ring ones proposed by the hockey team a few years back.
Having some of “simple country boy” left in me, I ask how it can be that databases accused of inadequate oceanic coverage can be corrected for an oceanic condition.