Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
In her always interesting blog, Dr. Judith Curry [and Anthony at WUWT] points to a very well-researched article by Bjorn Lomborg, peer-reviewed, entitled “Impact of Current Climate Proposals” (full text).
He has repeated the work that Tom Wigley did for the previous IPCC report. There is a simplified climate model called “MAGICC” which is used extensively by the IPCC. It can be set up to emulate the results of any of the climate models used by the IPCC, including their average results, by merely changing the MAGICC settings. This lets us figure out how much cooling we can expect from a variety of programs that promise to reduce CO2.
The abstract of the paper says (emphasis and formatting mine):
This article investigates the temperature reduction impact of major climate policy proposals implemented by 2030, using the standard MAGICC climate model. Even optimistically assuming that promised emission cuts are maintained throughout the century, the impacts are generally small.
- The impact of the US Clean Power Plan (USCPP) is a reduction in temperature rise by 0.013°C by 2100.
- The full US promise for the COP21 climate conference in Paris, its so-called Intended Nationally Determined Contribution (INDC) will reduce temperature rise by 0.031°C.
- The EU 20-20 policy has an impact of 0.026°C, the EU INDC 0.053°C, and China INDC 0.048°C.
- All climate policies by the US, China, the EU and the rest of the world, implemented from the early 2000s to 2030 and sustained through the century will likely reduce global temperature rise about 0.17°C in 2100.
These impact estimates are robust to different calibrations of climate sensitivity, carbon cycling and different climate scenarios. Current climate policy promises will do little to stabilize the climate and their impact will be undetectable for many decades.
Note that in all cases, these are the optimistic numbers, in which the supposed reductions in CO2 emissions are assumed to continue after 2030 all the way until 2100.
Of particular interest to me was the impact of the Obama War On Coal, or as it is known, the US Clean Power Plan (USCPP). Even if we can implement it, and then assuming we can follow it until 2100, the total reduction in temperature rise is estimated to be 0.013°C.
Now, that’s a bit over a hundredth of a degree Celsius. The problem is, nobody has a good handle on just how small that reduction in temperature actually is, because we have nothing to compare it to. Even fever thermometers only measure to a tenth of a degree. Casting about to rephrase this number in units that might be more understandable than hundredths of a degree, I remembered the old rule of thumb about how much the air cools off as you climb a mountain. Everyone knows that as you go up a mountain, the air gets cooler. The rate at which non-condensing air cools with increasing altitude is called the “dry adiabatic lapse rate”. The rule of thumb states that for every hundred metres higher that you climb, the temperature drops by 1°C.
Now, a human being is typically around 1.7 metres tall, plus or minus. This means that other things being equal, the air at your head is about 0.017°C cooler than the air at your feet. And recall from above that the “impact of the US Clean Power Plan (USCPP) is a reduction in temperature rise by 0.013°C by 2100” …
Which means that after spending billions of dollars and destroying valuable power plants and reducing our energy options and making us more dependent on Middle East oil, all we will do is make the air around our feet as cool as the air around our heads … I am overcome with gratitude for such a stupendous accomplishment.
Seriously. The sum total of the entire restructuring of the US energy production will be to make the air around our feet as cool as the air around our heads.
Now, at this point the advocates of the policy often say something like “Yes, but this is just the first step. Wait until the other nations get so amazed at the damage we’re doing to our own economy that they all want to sign on and do the same”. Of course they don’t put it honestly like that, but their belief is that if the US gets stupid, everyone will follow our lead. I don’t believe it for one minute, no matter how much they SAY that they will come to the party, but let’s imagine that fairy tale to be true.
Well, Lomborg calculated that as well. He used MAGICC to compute the combined effect of the CO2 promises of the whole world, and the answer was 0.17°C of cooling by 2100 in the optimistic scenario, where everyone not only meets their promised reductions but holds to them from 2030 to 2100.
And the number for what Lomborg calls the “pessimistic” scenario, but which might more accurately be called the “realistic” scenario, is a reduction in warming of 0.05°C (see his Table 1).
And this in turn is equivalent to the difference in temperature that you’d get from walking five metres higher on the hillside. You know, like when you say “it’s so hot here, I think I’ll walk up the hill the equivalent of two flights of stairs so I’m five metres higher, and I’ll be cooler by five hundredths of a degree” …
In any case, the MAGICC results are what are used by the IPCC, so there you have it. If everything that the politicians in Paris are promising comes to pass, it will make a difference of between five hundredths and seventeen hundredths of a degree by 2100 … at an astronomical price, billions and billions of dollar globally.
Sigh … an astronomically large price for an unmeasurably small cooling. Freakin’ brilliant. This is what passes for the peak of “responsible” scientific thought these days about the climate, but to me, it’s just the height of temperature folly.
Best of the autumn days to everyone,
w.
AS USUAL: If you disagree with someone, please quote the exact words you disagree with. This lets everyone understand exactly what you are objecting to.
Note: Willis was apparently reading Curry’s article while the WUWT article from Lomborg posted, so I added a link in the first paragraph -Anthony
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Willis,
The first motion I put to Suffolk County Council as a brand new (and very surprised) county councillor) was about global warming and how the ambition to be the greenest county was a waste of taxpayers’ money. Suffolk’s contribution to global warming by 2080 will be the difference in temperature if one rises seven inches, the height of a small chihuahua. Fenbeagle did me a nice cartoon of The Chihuahua of Doom.
It may not have changed anything,but they still remember it and have at least a vague notion about how silly the carbon reduction business is.
JF
JF, well done on your new position and good luck getting your motion past the boneheads that grace our political chambers these days. I can only hope that you set a new standard of honest discussions with your constituents and be damned when you to be.
As I said, Satire is the greatest enemy of ridiculous and corrupt policies, especially if you don’t have to make anything up.
Julian Suffolk UK? Which ward?
Julian Flood November 10, 2015 at 11:43 am
Thanks, Julian, that’s a great tale. However, I have a hard time believing that one county could make a difference that large … you might check your figures against those of Lomborg.
Always good to hear from you,
w/
Willis, I was not on oath… if I remember correctly I used a lapse rate of 3 deg/1000′ and a sensitivity of 1.5 deg per doubling. The fiddle factor was the proportion of UK population involved and I ignored Sizewell B which cuts the footprint considerably.
It’s not really a joke. My division, Haverhill Cangle, includes some very deprived estates. This farce will,if the winter is hard, literally kill some of my residents who will make the choice to save money by not keeping warm. When I shouted across the council chamber, besides myself with rage, ‘leave my estates alone’, it was no joke.
JF
My personal experiences with my own council and its green agenda have not been all that convincing.
Here in Somerset we used to have a thriving business running from the local tip.
Items would be delivered by local people, and a huge amount would be salvaged and sold on to both members of the public and also small businesses.
Actually, during the boom years of the late 90’s and early 00’s there was an astonishing amount of very high quality goods and materials being thrown out by local householders.
A simple monetary incentive placed much of this back in the hands of local people.
Since items rarely needed more than simple repairs or relocation to an appreciative owner.
But, on a typical day a vast number of items were rescued for re-use.
As a slightly unusual example, I have a musician friend who once picked up a cello!! A cello that had been thrown out!! He reconditioned it and sold it on to a local music shop for £600.
However – in about 2004 the local council changed the tip into a “recycling centre” run by a company called Viridor, with targets to increase the quantity of recycling of goods and to measure the quantity of materials “recycled”.
The first significant change, was that the recovery and sale of goods was banned.
Cameras were installed and on one occasion the police were called when a child’s bicycle was taken from the site. Similar changes occurred elsewhere in the country at the same time.
The upshot of this is that whilst a cello arriving at the site would now be included in the tonnage weight of “recycled” timber – this is not necessarily clearly an improvement on the former arrangement.
Many local people who had subsisted on the back of money earned from repairing and reselling goods were effectively put out of business.
When I visited the site after the changes it was deeply distressing to see quality items being abandoned and crushed by a JCB.
But certainly – the officially measured “recycling” had increased.
Destroying goods could be measured so much more easily than redistributing them.
Meanwhile a local council property which cares for four or five disabled people had a gas and electricity bill of over £13,000 for ONE YEAR.
Don’t ask how I know this – but I do.
And I know why their bill is so high. They have no central heating thermostats. No ability to access the radiator valves. They cool the building by opening windows and doors at all times of the year. And they wash all clothes daily whether they are dirty or not and tumble dry all washing.
If they set out with the specific intention of wasting as much energy as possible – then I’d struggle to think how they could do a better job of it.
I could bore people on this topic forever.
Suffice to say – I have concluded that the state sector green agenda is not much more than theatre, fakery and failure. But measured failure can appear to be more effective than the invisible hand of the market. That’s the trouble with the invisible hand. It’s hard to see!!
I did a similar study showing that if Pennsylvania were to shut down all fossil fuel fired power plants, the net effect would be to reduce the CO2 concentration by 0.008 ppm. Of course, that means neighboring states that import electricity would literally be in the dark…
Having worked for a French Company in Africa for the past 17 years, the problems in the “Civilized ” world do not amaze me, the Germans going as they are are going to have an Arab President within the next ten years!
I think that that is a little bit soon, but perhaps within four generations or so (bearing in mind that German women are only having 1.67 children, and immigrants some 3 to 4.2 children), Germans will be trying to maintain a minority Government such as South Africa sought to do for so many years.
Unless something is done reasonably soon, the die will be cast.
Of course people buy this stuff … they may even imagine that it matters and that those silly politicians know something so they leave them alone, figuring they can’t do too much harm.
But remember, this is an era in which people buy books “… for Dummies.” And yes, there’s even a title “Sex for Dummies.”
Is it any wonder then that the dummies have inherited the earth?
Sex for, or with?
That’s definitely a book for burning.
Nobody should be encouraging dummies to have sex.
If they can’t work it out for themselves then we should permit them to remove themselves from the gene pool.
It may well be a slippery slope from there to the gas chambers.
But – we have to draw the line somewhere!!
Well written, thanks. How depressing.
Also note that the numbers are so small that they are far below the uncertainties in our measurements (and our measuring ability)–something important to legitimate scientists but, apparently, not to the global warming crowd. Whenever politics trumps science, we get this “facts are irrelevant” mentality.
I would like to add that Thorium reactors are not on the Green lefties wish list, the reason being that we would still have cheap reliable energy. Their thinking is negative, it is not about saving the Earth if it was they wouldn’t want ugly bird and bat slicers/fryers that deface the landscape. It is purely about control and the implementation of a world wide socialist “utopia”which they cannot get via the ballot box, because the 1st world are not stupid enough to vote in extreme left wing parties (although France did come pretty close).
This is their last chance because they have the EU and Obama on their side, this will change (hopefully), when Obama leaves office and if Cameron doesn’t take us out of the EU inspiring other countries to do the same, then the migrant issue and inevitable internal terrorist attacks will be the downfall of the EU. The fact that we do not have Australia and Canada making rational decisions is also bad news.
Sorry for those who had feelings of deja vu, this was my post in the last article, I copied and pasted it into this one, because the thought crossed my mind that surely all the delegates in Paris are not left wing control freaks. Our PM certainly isn’t, if these figures were publicised enough, they might derail the left wing agenda. There is no logic in impoverishing the first world nations on the basis of a minute increase in temperature, if the lights can be kept on for long enough to develop Thorium Reactors
Andy, I would like to know about a thorium reactor working today.
Thanks for the reply George. The theory of Thorium reactors has been around for years,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power discusses why although a working reactor was built in the early 1970’s in USA, it was never pursued because the military wanted the plutonium “waste” that came from uranium nuclear reactors. The article concludes that had Thorium research continued, USA would have been energy independent by the year 2000.
India in 2012 were ready to build one http://www.nei.org/News-Media/News/News-Archives/india-turns-to-thorium-as-future-reactor-fuel
My point is as follows:
The CAGW theory says that we will reach a tipping point when CO2 concentrations rise to a certain point and runaway warming will occur. I know this is nonsense as does everyone else on this website, but the politicians aren’t convinced. We are d8niers, scept!cs call us what they will, but the idea of AGW is now well entrenched in the population’s mindset. I my view the only way forward is to support what the warmists are saying, BUT with the proviso, that the small temperature increases do not justify the huge expense to mitigate them and that they are not going to take us to a tipping point within 50 years anyway and governments are willing to use the money they were using to subsidise renewals to carry out collaborative research into building thorium reactors. The lefties will show their true colours (red not green!) when they dismiss this option, the politicians and “scientists” will save face and humanity will be blessed with cheap, reliable power. A win, win situation to all except those that want to take us back to medieval times!
Contrary to all the nonsense from clueless pollies and the media coal use is booming in the developing world and will continue for a long time to come. In fact over 90% of new co2 emissions until 2040 will come from non OECD countries.( EIA)
Even OZ’s new PM Turnbull told the media that the world will still use coal and fossil fuels for the foreseeable future. Here is the GWPF link about Asia’s booming use of coal———-
http://www.thegwpf.com/asia-building-500-new-coal-power-plants-this-year-alone/
As usual, good work running down the data.
It’s the argument I had in mind but was too lazy to run down the MAGICC analysis for when I instead wrote this criticism of Notre Dame University’s misplaced environmentalism. Obviously, I thereby gave Notre Dame too much credit.
“Which means that after spending billions of dollars and destroying valuable power plants and reducing our energy options and making us more dependent on Middle East oil, all we will do is make the air around our feet as cool as the air around our heads …”
So, would it be correct then to say that we hope cooler heads prevail?
Laughed out loud at that. Thanks.
But then everybody gets cold feet
How can they make a prediction for 2100 when the models are based on expanding local weather to grids. People here are sick of the new weather reports,. They say hopeful things like a 60% chance of rain. One report was 100% chance of 50mls of rain. It was so wrong, you would not have gotten wet walking outside. These are the foolish reports that IPCC expands on?
Give me a break.
In 1998, no one could have predicted the plateauing of temperature for the next 17 years but these scammers want us to believe they can predict to the nearest thousandth of a degree?
“This means that other things being equal, the air at your head is about 0.017°C cooler than the air at your feet.”
Depends on the time of day, Tmin at 5cm could be 5°C below Tmin at 2 meters.
Ignoring ground effects and changes in convection, of course. Every analogy has it’s weaknesses.
No need to worry. Models by many like Vukcevic forecast a comming cooling by 2030. That should cool them off before 2100. My worry is that they’ll take credit for it.
Yes, but you’re all forgetting the new killer – HAZE. Aaaarrgh.
It’s only Model Haze.
Model haze, all in my eyes
Don’t know if it’s day or night
You got me blowin’, blowin’ my mind
Is it tomorrow,
or just the end of time?
Love the pic.
I’m loving it … that China, which today accounts for some 45% or more of all carbon emissions worldwide due to coal burning, somehow only manages to wiggle the needle downward by 0.026 degrees? From “the inevitable” rise?
Well! They can and should be taking that “to the bank” so to speak. They’re doing their ineffectual part to take action so to say, to drop the inexorable rise by as wee-a-bit as the United States or Europe. They’re now free to use as much coal as they like, so long as the amount being used by the next conference is a wee-bit less than they project. Which will – because we really have to believe the models – which will then tautologically be responsible for an even greater wee bit of unrealized temperature rise.
Meanwhile, the frog in the pot thing’s are pretty mellow. Toasty. Pass another margarita!
The thing with this isn’t the mendacity of doggedly sticking to the almost-now-proven trope that The Sky is Falling, but rather that in the next paragraph all the erstwhile curs and snakes are given a nice big politically corrected pass for what the inevitable future is said to be, so long as they moderate it just a wee bit.
That’s where I get furious.
IF the IPCC and/or those people who hold for the polemic of Global Warming As Caused By Humans … really mean what they say, then by all rights they should not be subservient to the whims and polity of Politically Motivated Groupthink Censors. TAX the dâmned carbon: universally and worldwide, if that’s what they want. Let the economy of the world do what it will (which is to say, not much … the fears of its doom aren’t easily realized, as anyone studying the rises-and-falls of oil prices can attest). Go ahead! Kick it in!
OR NOT.
Because apparently, if we’re just brutally honest – the likes of China can underreport their outrageously fast carbon mining and burning by 15%, and no one does more than ask for another cup of cappuccino and a fresh croissant. “Oh, goody! See, Jules! They’re being really good about careful reporting!”. Meantimes the Chinese are busting ribs laughing at the gullibility of the West. By comparison to their trillion-dollar carbon economy, even if they were to underwrite the entire IPCC-Paris, even if … It’d be just a few cups in the bucket.
Maybe not even.
And once you control the venue, the croissant munching, first class jet riding, pontificating and fabricating experts will be extra-specially careful not to step on the Hosts’ Toes.
LOL
GoatGuy
China obviously will be doing nothing before 2030 to reduce/curb temperatures. In fact it will obviously be adding to temperatures (assuming that CO2 is the temperature driver as claimed).
But anyone who thinks that China will do anything meaningful after that, is deluded. Notwithstanding that China is building some nuclear plants, China will only start contributing towards CO2 abatement when there is an alternative viable and economical energy source to replace fossil fuels. presently, nuclear is not that.
Given how long it takes to develop new technology and get it to market, we know that nothing is on the horizon for 2030, but by 2050 technology may have moved on, and almost certainly will have before the end of this century. We do not have to worry about 2100 since it is almost inevitable that things will be very different.
Sorry for the OT Willis, but I came across some interesting “mean wave height” data over at Surfline on an El Nino update. Their data show at best flat and what looks to me decreasing avg wave heights in 5 pacific ocean basins. Socal, Norcal, Oregon, Hawaii and Central America. It seems impossible to have more energy being stored in the oceans and have decreasing avg wave heights. I hope you could take a look at the data.
http://www.surfline.com/surf-news/heres-what-we-can-expect-for-the-west-coast-hawaii-and-beyond-this-winter-thanks-to-a-robust-el-nino-event-off_133236/
Good perspective Willis. Thank you.
A hilarious article Willis. The only thing that is not funny is that these dopes might actually try to implement it..
The “MAGICC” number for catastrophic global warming is being bantered around as 2C. Now at 2ppm per year it would take 200 years to reach 800ppm at which time the temperature increase due to CO2 would be slightly less than 1C. To get the other 1C we would need to add another 800 ppm so this would take another 400 years.
Surely in the next 600 years we will have fusion power or at least thorium reactors?
However, we are taking about total CO2 in the atmosphere and not the contribution from burning fossil fuels.
Even while temperature increases have stalled, China has increased its CO2 production by a factor of 2. So If doubling it didn’t change the temperature, why would we expect that cutting it in half would have any effect at all.
actually i find it strange to see these models confirm what i believe is the anthropogenic CO2 factor.
in fact i do believe CO2 does indeed warm our planet but more in the factor of 0.02 – 0.1°C
glad to see this confirmed by the “same models”
Any assessment that assumes climate sensitivity is greater than zero will result in excessively high temperature estimate.
Engineering science demonstrates CO2, in spite of being a ghg, has no effect on climate. Identification of the two factors that do cause reported average global temperature change (sunspot number is the only independent variable) are at http://agwunveiled.blogspot.com (97% match since before 1900). Everything not explicitly included (such as aerosols, volcanos, non-condensing ghg, ice changes, etc.) must find room in the unexplained 3%.
The last 500 million years of substantial CO2 with no sustained temperature change is also evidence CO2 has no effect on climate. This is documented in the analysis linked above and also in a peer reviewed paper at Energy & Environment, Volume 26, No. 5, 2015, 841-845.
I do not know whether an increase from CO2 at current levels results in zero change in temperatures, but I do accept that we are unable to measure any increase in temperatures driven by CO2 using our best measuring devices.
Within the error bounds and the limitation inherent in this equipment, and the data set that it produces, we are unable to detect the signal to CO2 over and above the noise of natural variation. This is notwithstanting that we now have some 36 years worth of satellite data during which time there is has been a measurable increase in global CO2 emissions, so we do have a data set from which one might expect to see a signal, if there truly is a signal.
This means that the Climate Sensitivity to CO2, at current levels, must be low (if any at all) if the error bounds are low and natural variation small. But if the error bounds are large and/or if the range of natural variation is large, then Climate Sensitivity to CO2 at current levels (if any at all) could be similarly large.
I do not consider that we are in a position to say determinatively precisely what the Climate sensitivity to CO2 (if any at all) is, other than we just cannot presently measure and detect its signal.
The evidence that CO2 has no effect on climate is valid based on the existence of life (atmospheric CO2 had to have been more than 150 ppmv for 500 million years) and average global temperature went up and down over the period. Any rational error bounds would do.
I like Dan Pangburn’s model yet have not found the time to verify it in detail. http://agwunveiled.blogspot.com
I suggest others should examine it – it is simple and sensible and does not require any fudging of data (such as the fabricated aerosol data used in the models cited by the IPCC).
I note that Dan’s model predicts imminent global cooling. This agrees with my own opinion – we should expect natural global cooling to be evident after the current El Nino runs it course.
With respect Richard, there is ample evidence that Earth’s atmospheric temperature is insensitive to atmospheric CO2. Also please note that CO2 lags temperature at all measured time scales.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/03/18/anatomy-of-a-collapsing-climate-paradigm/#comment-1886588
A few observations (we formally published most of these conclusions in 2002 – we’ve known this for a long time):
1. CO2 is the basis for all carbon-based life on Earth – and Earth’s atmosphere and oceans are clearly CO2-deficient.
2. Based on the evidence, Earth’s climate is insensitive to increased atmospheric CO2 – there is no global warming crisis.
3. Recent global warming was natural and ~cyclical – the next phase following the ~20 year pause will be global cooling, starting by about 2020 or sooner.
3. Temperature, among other factors, drives atmospheric CO2 much more than CO2 drives temperature. The rate of change dCO2/dt varies ~contemporaneously with temperature and atmospheric CO2 LAGS temperature at all measured time scales (published in 2008).
4. Cheap, abundant, reliable energy is the lifeblood of modern society.
5. Green energy schemes (scams) are responsible for driving up energy costs and increasing winter mortality rates.
I suggest that most of the above statements are true, to a high degree of confidence.
All of the above statements are blasphemy to warmist fanatics.
It is truly remarkable how the warmists could get it so wrong.
Regards, Allan
(Petroleum Engineer / Earth Scientist)
Sooooo I actually took a look at the paper and am sorry to say this, but Lomborg’s numbers are all wrong:
‘I will use the default values of MAGICC as the standard run (with a climate sensitivity of 3°C)’
Virtually every recent study finds a sensitivity way below 3ºC. So the numbers are too high – actual impact would be like air on your feet compared to air around your knees.
PS: Lomborg claims that the results are ‘robust’ to different sensitivities and that one can find details in the supplementary info. I didn’t feel like wading in there to find out if the warming reduction is 0.017º or 0.009ºC .
Not the point, Alberto Zaragoza Comendador.
If he took realistic values for climate sensitivity then his argument could be waved away as “under-estimating the impact of CO2”.
But by going for the upper ends of the range – it’s a bad as it gets.
Which means the effect of COP21 is as great as it gets.
And it ain’t great.
Just a little note about the lapse rate. It’s not that the air molecules cool as you go up a hill, it’s that they occupy less volume.
This is the fallacy of the greenhouse effect. The temperature at 1000meters 1meter above a high flat plane is the same as the air 1000 meters above land at sea level. It is the density of the air that gives a higher or lower temperature reading not “cooling” with height. The chemical composition of the air is irrelevant to this phenomina. That is why the temperature of the Venusian atmosphere at 1000mb is just 66C
It is exactly 1.173 times hotter than the mean temperature of Earth at sea level as the S/B equation says it should be due to it’s closer proximity to the sun. At its surface the air molecules (mainly CO2) are pressurised to 92 times that of Earth at sea level. So same individual energy in each molecule but much greater concentration in any given volume.
“It’s not that the air molecules cool as you go up a hill, it’s that they occupy less volume.” Not sure that is correct. Temperature is approximately proportional to the average kinetic energy of the particles. A less dense gas at the same temperature contains less heat (that is energy) than a more dense gas, but the average KE of the particles is the same.
The adiabatic lapse rate describes the work that air must do as it expands as the pressure drops. Expansion against pressure is isentropic – it is reversible and all the energy can be recovered as work. As the system does work to expand, the temperature has to fall to maintain the same entropy. As we expand, we increase the uncertainty of the position of the particles, and seemingly increase the entropy. However, the reduction in temperature slows the particles down, decreasing the uncertainty and balancing out the entropy gain.
Expansion into a vacuum is not isentropic- it results in a change of entropy. The consequence is that the temperature of an expanding ideal gas remains the same as it expands into a vacuum. This is an irreversible process. This makes sense, since we can easily compress and decompress a cylinder, but we cannot get the gas molecules back from a vacuum.
Expansion in the atmosphere is not into a vacuum, so this is close to an isentropic expansion, with consequent temperature changes.
This does not explain why temperature 1m above Nairobi at about 3000ft is much cooler than 1m above Mombassa, at sea level. I am thinking this is because the atmosphere gains most of its heat from conduction from the surface, and most of the surface is at sea level. Thus the air above Nairobi must have gained most of its heat at approximately sea level, and has since expanded and cooled. A better explanation would be welcome.
Is not that solar longer term trend has also increased since 1850. Why people are not at all interested to find contribution of temperature rise from the sun during that period?
http://www.grandunification.com/gifs/Sunspot_Trendline.gif
There really is even no serious science behind the 0.17 degC number, because it is based on the IPCC values for ECS, which itself is pseudo-science garbage.
The important quote from Curry’s article is probably
Who knows? Even if an attempt to reduce the costs of green energy mostly failed, that approach would likely produce better long term results than the Children’s Crusade is going to obtain from Paris where, in a New Years Eve sort of exercise, the assembled nations will pledge the national equivalent of resolving to give up drinking; gambling, cussing; wild,wild women; lose some weight; and take up jogging — with the traditional lack of meaningful results.
“we should make green energy so cheap ”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/09/business/energy-environment/a-texas-utility-offers-a-nighttime-special-free-electricity.html
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http://free.txu.com/
You’d have to be seriously delusional to think that energy is cheap, just because the customer can get it for “free” during a certain time period.
Bruce Cobb commented: “You’d have to be seriously delusional to think that energy is cheap, just because the customer can get it for “free” during a certain time period.”
+1 What struck me the most when I read about this “free electricity” in Texas was the use of the term “free”. Translated it means….electricity you already paid for when your taxes were used as subsidies, electricity that no one else is using and can’t be saved so it will just go to waste, and electricity that will cause your paid for electricity cost to go up to pay for the infrastructure/grid. TINSTAFL
from the NYT article:
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Briana Lamb, an elementary school teacher, waits until her watch strikes 9 p.m. to run her washing machine and dishwasher. It costs her nothing until 6 a.m. Kayleen Willard, a cosmetologist, unplugs appliances when she goes to work in the morning. By 9 p.m., she has them plugged back in.
And Sherri Burks, business manager of a local law firm, keeps a yellow sticker on her townhouse’s thermostat, a note to guests that says: “After 9 p.m. I don’t care what you do. You can party after 9.”
The women are just three of the thousands of TXU Energy customers who are at the vanguard of a bold attempt by the utility to change how people consume energy.
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There are no male customers endorsing the product in the advertorial.
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“And although nearly 63,000 residences dropped out of the program over that time — in part because rates are typically higher under the plans at peak hours…
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So it isn’t really free – like all the electricity in Qatar produced by burning hydrocarbons.
When things that have costs are supplied at no charge, thoughtless creatures will waste as much as possible is order to get their “fair share,” just in case someone else gets in first, hence the old “tragedy of the commons”. Free lunch is a bad policy, because it encourages bad behavior. The NYT advertorial includes a demonstration of that ugly aspect of human psychology:
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Ms. Burks, the law firm business manager, is part of that shift — and she is not motivated by environmental concerns.
“I never thought about it,” she said. In fact, she leaves lights on and even the television on when she leaves the room.
“I’m really wasteful now,” she said. “The first thing I tell my guests is my electricity is free after 9.”
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That’s some heavily-subsidized wastefulness that she’s proud of.
Also, according to the testimonial of Ms. Burk the party-animal, she has a note for her guests pinned to the thermostat in her townhouse that reads:
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“After 9 p.m. I don’t care what you do. You can party after 9.”
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So a “party” is when you can change the setting on your thermostat?
Woo Hoo! Let’s “party.”
Does anyone believe the yellow sticky note is anything more than a journalistic fiction?
If green energy were to become cheaper there would be no debate.
Green energy is the equivalent of purchasing bandwidth by the minute as in the early days of the internet. It was not government subsidies that caused a great paradigm shift to internet commerce, it was when internet bandwidth costs dropped.
Make green energy cheaper or just shut-up already. Green demagoguery is not going to heat my house or appliances.