Climate Alarmists demand Obama use the RICO act to Silence Critics

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Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t JoNova and James Delingpole – A group of climate scientists, including Professor Kevin Trenberth, have demanded President Obama abuse the RICO act, to silence criticism of their theories.

The letter;

Dear President Obama, Attorney General Lynch, and OSTP Director Holdren,

As you know, an overwhelming majority of climate scientists are convinced about the potentially serious adverse effects of human-induced climate change on human health, agriculture, and biodiversity. We applaud your efforts to regulate emissions and the other steps you are taking. Nonetheless, as climate scientists we are exceedingly concerned that America’s response to climate change – indeed, the world’s response to climate change – is insufficient. The risks posed by climate change, including increasing extreme weather events, rising sea levels, and increasing ocean acidity – and potential strategies for addressing them – are detailed in the Third National Climate Assessment (2014), Climate Change Impacts in the United States. The stability of the Earth’s climate over the past ten thousand years contributed to the growth of agriculture and therefore, a thriving human civilization. We are now at high risk of seriously destabilizing the Earth’s climate and irreparably harming people around the world, especially the world’s poorest people.

We appreciate that you are making aggressive and imaginative use of the limited tools available to you in the face of a recalcitrant Congress. One additional tool – recently proposed by Senator Sheldon Whitehouse – is a RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) investigation of corporations and other organizations that have knowingly deceived the American people about the risks of climate change, as a means to forestall America’s response to climate change. The actions of these organizations have been extensively documented in peer reviewed academic research (Brulle, 2013) and in recent books including: Doubt is their Product (Michaels, 2008), Climate Cover-Up (Hoggan & Littlemore, 2009), Merchants of Doubt (Oreskes & Conway, 2010), The Climate War (Pooley, 2010), and in The Climate Deception Dossiers (Union of Concerned Scientists, 2015). We strongly endorse Senator Whitehouse’s call for a RICO investigation.

The methods of these organizations are quite similar to those used earlier by the tobacco industry. A RICO investigation (1999 to 2006) played an important role in stopping the tobacco industry from continuing to deceive the American people about the dangers of smoking. If corporations in the fossil fuel industry and their supporters are guilty of the misdeeds that have been documented in books and journal articles, it is imperative that these misdeeds be stopped as soon as possible so that America and the world can get on with the critically important business of finding effective ways to restabilize the Earth’s climate, before even more lasting damage is done.

Sincerely,

Jagadish Shukla, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA

Edward Maibach, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA

Paul Dirmeyer, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA

Barry Klinger, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA

Paul Schopf, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA

David Straus, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA

Edward Sarachik, University of Washington, Seattle, WA

Michael Wallace, University of Washington, Seattle, WA

Alan Robock, Rutgers University, New Brunswick, NJ

Eugenia Kalnay, University of Maryland, College Park, MD

William Lau, University of Maryland, College Park, MD

Kevin Trenberth, National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO

T.N. Krishnamurti, Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL

Vasu Misra, Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL

Ben Kirtman, University of Miami, Miami, FL

Robert Dickinson, University of Texas, Austin, TX

Michela Biasutti, Earth Institute, Columbia University, New York, NY

Mark Cane, Columbia University, New York, NY

Lisa Goddard, Earth Institute, Columbia University, New York, NY

Alan Betts, Atmospheric Research, Pittsford, VT

It never fails to amaze me how climate alarmists regularly accuse skeptics of being unhinged conspiracy theorists, while at the same time the alarmists themselves regularly advance lunatic conspiracy theories, to “explain” why a lot of people refuse to accept their doomsday predictions on faith, despite the complete and utter failure of alarmist climate models to demonstrate predictive skill.

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Must get more yarn.

You’ll need it. When it comes to Senator Whitehouse and the particular accusation he’s pushing, there is an entertaining history to it. The man might just open up a Pandora’s Box instead that he never counted on. Please see ” ‘Skeptic Climate Scientists are Industry-Paid Shills’ (sir, what is your source for that?)” http://gelbspanfiles.com/?p=2842

Oh, btw, re-read names/books in the second paragraph. I covered Brulle here http://gelbspanfiles.com/?p=1237 , Hoggan here http://gelbspanfiles.com/?p=2728 , Oreskes here http://gelbspanfiles.com/?p=2009 , and the UCS’ Climate Deception Dossiers here http://gelbspanfiles.com/?p=2891 , plus I can directly tie David Michaels’ book and Eric Pooley’s book into the same solitary source for the idea that skeptic climate scientists are ‘paid industry shills’. These letter writers could have saved themselves some ink if they has simply cited Ross Gelbspan’s 1997 “The Heat is On” book. The actions of the “corporations and other organizations” have NOT been extensively documented, that’s a literal talking point I covered here: http://gelbspanfiles.com/?p=2907 . Anybody smell a rat in this situation?

Bryan A

What’s needed now is for a similar letter to be drafted and sent to Pres B O from skeptics and signed by ALL conservatives in congress demanding that the same rigorous standard (I.e. RICO investigation), if approved by him as a tool against skeptic science needs to be utilized with the same rigor to investigate all the claims of current climate science. In both cases the investigating panel NEEDS to be bipartisan in makeup

Evan Jones

A panderer’s box?

This is not a yarn being spun…
Most people believe this “narrative”. I have spent many hours discussing this with an anthropologist who has worked at a senior policy level. They described to me how a narrative is built upon till it is virtually unstoppable. (Do you remember the part that Margaret Meade played in composing this narrative?)
People believe this narrative even when they are in possession of, and understand, contrary evidence.
Keep this in mind when you are “dissing” these good doctors. They know what they are doing and they know that the possibility of “winning over” the law with their point of view is very real.
Of course, what they have failed to consider is that many contradictory points of view compose “The One True Narrative”. Some of them will be sacrificed on the alter of Gaia along with the unbelievers. Indeed in most cases it will be impossible to distinguish unbelievers from true believers. The solution is simple. “J’accuse!” shall be sufficient for imprisonment or execution.
We live in interesting times.

Its a witch!!!!

JJ Reuter:
For the most part witches received trials.
Trenberth should review the career of Robespierre….
http://www.historytoday.com/marisa-linton/robespierre-and-terror
It’s a lesson to us all.

Scott

You mean Dangerous Times!….

Owen in GA

JJ Rueter, and what weighs the same as a witch…
https://youtu.be/k3jt5ibfRzw

rw

WillR,
I agree – but the amazing thing is that these people assume that Nature will cooperate at least to the extent that they can pull this AGW thing off. I’d say there’s a limited horizon effect at work here.

empiresentry

7.8 million women and children die every year from bad indoor air – from using wood stoves and dung because The Greens prevent any energy to be developed in those regions. http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs292/en/
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3.4 million people die every year including 760 000 children.
Fanatics block the fuel needed to run drinking water and sanitary systems.
http://water.org/water-crisis/water-facts/water/
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850,000 people die every year because refrigerated vaccines cannot be maintained…The Fanatics block any electrical services and think a 6 solar panels powering a single surgery room light bulb is enough to also run a refrigerator.
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2 million women and children die every year and another million go blind because the Greens will not allowed Golden Rice, which is free, to be grown.
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Now those are measurable outcomes of Green policies while the Greens are incapable of justifying any of their claims.
Perhaps fanatics need to bring a RICO lawsuit. Then they can bring their coveted data, explain how we would grow food for the world using horses and Quaker technology.
They can explain how the powerful corporations stopped all the ice from melting, kept temps and seas from rising.
Then they can explain how Clinton approved the Alberta Clipper Pipeline after ‘donations’ from wealthy Canadians but turned down Keystone and sent rabid tules to protest over there. Then they can explain how Soros crashed coal and is buying it all for pennies. Or explain Steyer.

Wu

Replace dung with coal and you can say goodbye to cheap food produce from there. The west is built on the exploitation of poorer nations. We give them a dollar or 2 a day so we can enjoy free coffee at our workplace. When overpopulation creates famines that would make Bob Geldof self harm is the moment land leased by the west will be taken away.
Empowering Africa will make us or our companies lose a lot more than the ones devoid of empathy are about to allow. These monsters have power and it is them that good people have to get rid of first. One has to decide what is more important – human life or non vital comforts?
Africa should be given a chance to develop like the rest of the world has. Exploitation must end first.

MarkW

Wow, Wu, is there anything that you know that is actually correct?
The west doesn’t get cheap anything from there, because they don’t produce anything for export.
So take your communist inspired nonsense and tell your cell masters that your propaganda isn’t working.
The only exploitation is being done by your communist masters.

RockyRoad

You’re right, Mark–China is grabbing up all the natural resources it can world-wide, particularly in Africa where there’s still significant room for their expansionist dreams. China gets the action and the West gets the rhetoric.

Wu

Communist? It is interesting you lump anti – exploitation sentiments with communism, a form of governance that was implemented each time to exploit everyone but those in power.
There is a lot of psychology in your reply Mark. Perhaps you believe Reagan beat communism rather than simply outspending USSR.
Have all the WMDs that were sold to fund Reagan’s illigal black ops been recovered yet?
Don’t be blind to the despicable done on our behalf. I expect more from this group… the one that is fully aware just how devious those in power can be.

Goldrider

Just remember ONE thing: EVERY GOVERNMENT ON EARTH is aware, you may bet your bottom dollar, of the skeptical arguments in addition to the alarmist ones. There is a REASON why all of these Climate Conferences since Kyoto have been mostly sound and fury, accomplishing nothing tangible. The “smart money” knows this is nothing but NOISE being promulgated by a lobbyist group no different from any others. Yes, the Powers That Be will dutifully fly to Paris and go through their tut-tutting act–and at the end of it we’ll carry on as before. Frankly, the only people fooled by this nonsense are the “NPR class” who want to appear Earnestly Concerned. Same ones who spend all their weekends acquiring impotence by riding bicycles to “cure cancer.” Notice cancer being cured? I thought not! But it makes them feel very, VERY self-righteous because they CARE about things like being green, fair trade, pthalates leaching out of their water bottles, etc. They comprise about 4% if you’re lucky of the general population. The rest have long since yawned and moved on. They know it’s “noise,” not “news” any longer.

MarkT
Me

UT-Austin has it’s own IDIOT on the short list who signed the letter …
http://www.iges.org/letter/LetterPresidentAG.pdf
https://www.jsg.utexas.edu/researcher/robert_dickinson/
Robert Dickinson robted@jsg.utexas.edu

Jimbo

George Mason University I see. I also see from our ‘friends’ at DeSmog this little tittle tattle.

Koch and George Mason University
Funding and Connections
From 2005-2013, George Mason University (GMU) Foundation, and its associated institutes and centers, has received over $35 million from the Koch Family Charitable Foundations. This represent over half of the $68 million total that Koch foundations have sent to over 300 universities since 2005.
http://desmogblog.com/koch-and-george-mason-university
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Thu Apr 09, 2015 at 01:08 PM PDT
George Mason University President to Charles Koch: “I am nothing but incredibly grateful”
….Over half of that $68 million went to George Mason University alone. GMU easily clocks in as the top university recipient of Koch cash, taking $34.6 million since 2005. That is separate from another $10 million to GMU’s Mercatus Center–which Mr. Koch founded and remains a director of–and another $18 million to GMU’s Institute for Humane Studies–of which Charles Koch is the chairman–since 2005…..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/09/1376491/-George-Mason-University-President-to-Charles-Koch-I-am-nothing-but-incredibly-grateful#

This is how to fight climate change.

1. At engineering school they told us to always remember if you point a finger at someone, there are three pointing back at you.
2. My engineering firm’s lawyer told us to always negotiate settlements of disputes because people that sue usually get counter sued for several times the original claim. Watched it happen many times, fortunately usually as a witness for one side or another. These folks are treading dangerous ground.

“The stability of the Earth’s climate over the past ten thousand years contributed to the growth of agriculture and therefore, a thriving human civilization.”
Who exactly is spreading misinformation?

psi2

Indeed. How pathetically incomplete and misleading can you be? It wasn’t the “Stability” of natural climate variation that contributed to agriculture, but the “instability” of the interglacial. Hmmm, what does that make me think of?

Pamela Gray

Idiots that’s who.
A case in point: Palouse soil is fine grained chemically rich soil blown from one location (usually sourced from drought dried vegetative sediment from a long gone glacial sheet fed inland lake) to another location some distance away where it is now used to grow abundant produce, contributing to the health and well-being of humans and animals alike.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/bul/0790b/report.pdf
http://idahoptv.org/outdoors/shows/palouseparadise/soil.cfm
So much for stability. Our little dust bowl era was a tiny newborn flea biting mother Earth compared to the continent sized dust storms of long ago, depriving one area of soil while enriching another.

Menicholas

Hi Pamela,
This sounds like what I have always known as loess soil, an aeolian deposit, with huge accumulations occurring in places like Iowa, and other states of the corn belt. Highly productive and with excellent drainage and cation exchange capacity, the very thick loess soils of the Midwest can hold a huge amount of moisture, another reason for the high productivity of this region .
I have only heard of Palouse as a region of highly productive farmland in Idaho, which I had always thought was due largely to volcanic enrichment of the loess soil in the region.
I shall have to study this more, as soils and soil types are a hobby of mine.

Pamela Gray

You are correct.

noaaprogrammer

Growing up in the Palouse area in the 1950s, I was always told that the Palouse Hills were made of wind-blown ash from the volcanoes in the Cascade Range.

Pamela Gray

Read the links, especially the old pdf. Indeed it was once believed that these soils were volcanic in nature. Modern spectromic and chemical analysis, in addition to microscopic identification, reveals a variety of loess soils in the Palouse areas, with very few being substantially volcanic in origin. In some places, these soils are still building.

inMAGICn

Yes, the Palouse is thickly covered with aeolian loess. Amazing stuff: when oven-dried it is like talcum powder; when saturated, it acts like clay. It’s fertility makes the Palouse in Eastern Washington one of the, if not the, primary producer of winter wheat, amongst other stuff.

Beta Blocker

Pamela, is there any substance to the theory that the Blue Mountains of northeastern Oregon are not mountains at all, they are in fact gigantic heaps of compressed tumbleweeds?

The deceivers are listed in the letter isn’t it?

MarkW

The climate hasn’t been stable over the last 10K years. We haven’t slipped into an ice age, but not the definition of stability.
Who is spreading misinformation? You, for one.

Copycats?
Posted in 2014, written in 2013:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/09/21/salmon-climate-and-accountability/#comment-1743273
On Accountability:
I wrote this to a friend in the USA one year ago:
I am an engineer, not a lawyer, but to be clear I was thinking of a class action (or similar) lawsuit, rather than an individual lawsuit from yourself or anyone else.
I suggest that there have been many parties that have been damaged by global warming alarmism. Perhaps the most notable are people who have been forced to pay excessive rates for electricity due to CO2-mandated wind and solar power schemes. Would the people of California qualify? Any other states? I suggest the people of Great Britain, Germany and possibly even Ontario would qualify, but the USA is where this lawsuit would do the most good.
There is an interesting field of US law that employs the RICO (anti-racketeering) statutes to provide treble (triple) damages in civil cases. That might be a suitable approach,
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Racketeering
Despite congressional attempts to limit the scope of civil RICO, only one major area of law has been removed from the RICO Act. The Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 (15 U.S.C.A. § 77 et seq.) eliminated liability for RICO claims based on securities Fraud, unless the defendant has already been criminally convicted of securities fraud. The act thus removed the threat of treble (triple) damages in such cases. Congress concluded that federal securities laws generally provide adequate remedies for victims of securities fraud. Therefore, it was unnecessary and unfair to expose defendants in securities cases to the threat of treble damages and other extraordinary remedies provided by the RICO Act.
Critics of the RICO Act applaud this congressional action but argue that the same reasoning can and should be applied to other areas of Civil Law. These critics maintain that the act’s broad scope has given plaintiffs an unfair advantage in civil litigation.
One criticism of civil RICO is that no criminal convictions are necessary to win a civil case under the act. The plaintiff need only show, by a Preponderance of Evidence, that it is more likely than not that the ongoing criminal enterprise occurred. As a result RICO has been used in all types of civil cases to allege wrongdoing. By contrast, a criminal RICO case must be proved Beyond a Reasonable Doubt.
In addition, the judge and jury in a criminal RICO case are prohibited from drawing an adverse inference from a defendant’s invocation of the Fifth Amendment Privilege against Self-Incrimination. No such ban exists, however, in a civil RICO case. Critics contend that it is unfair for a party in a civil RICO case who has concerns about potential criminal liability to be forced to waive his or her Fifth Amendment privilege in order to mount an effective defense in the civil action. Once testimony is given in the civil case, the party has effectively waived the privilege against Self-Incrimination, and the testimony may be used in a subsequent criminal prosecution. Critics contend that the RICO Act should be amended to stay (delay) a civil RICO proceeding until a criminal RICO proceeding has been concluded.
The critics of civil RICO also believe that its use has given plaintiffs an unfair tool that often serves to coerce a party to settle out of fear of a treble damages award. These critics believe that no civil RICO action should be allowed unless the party has been convicted under criminal RICO.
[end of excerpt]
I suggest the Climategate emails could provide the necessary evidence of a criminal conspiracy to defraud the public, through fraudulent misallocation of government-funded research monies, and wind and solar power schemes that were forced upon consumers and which were utterly incapable of providing significant or economic new energy to the electric power grid.
Your thoughts?
Regards, Allan

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/24/uk-met-fastest-decline-solar-activity-last-ice-age/#comment-1972538
PROPOSAL – SUE THE WARMISTS IN THE USA UNDER CIVIL RICO
I have been considering this approach for several years and I think it is now time to proceed..
Civil RICO provides for TRIPLE DAMAGES. Global losses from the global warming scam are in the trillions, including hundreds of billions on the USA.
We would sue the sources of warmist funding and those who have significantly profited from the global warming scam..
The key to starting a civil RICO action is to raise several million dollars to fund the lawsuit, which will be protracted and expensive.
If serious funders are interested, please contact me through http://www.OilsandsExpert.com
Regards, Allan MacRae
Calgary

John

Best approach for Canada is to ban any involvement with the California carbon trading exchange. Why the State of California believes it has the right to conduct an International trading exchange is beyond belief.

markl

John commented : “… Why the State of California believes it has the right to conduct an International trading exchange is beyond belief.
Hubris. The governor of California, Jerry Brown, is not only a powerful useful idiot but a narcissist equal to the POTUS. He is intent on destabilizing the ninth largest economy in the world by taxing businesses and openly inviting illegal immigration. He is touring the world touting California’s Climate Change activism like it’s a product to be exported.

temp

Depending on how the steyn case goes and where mann legal money is coming from. He would be a great front man for such a suit. He can argue standing since he was targeted for oppression and standing will be the biggest issues the cultist will use to try to block the suit.

RE-posting.
Moderator, I think you deleted this post in error – I wanted you to delete my incomplete post at September 22, 2015 at 10:01 am. No worries – thank you..
John said:
“Best approach for Canada is to ban any involvement with the California carbon trading exchange.”
Hello John.
The problem in Canada is that the Ontario and now Alberta governments have been taken over by uber-warmists who KNOW that “”the science is settled” and they are now planning to impose their costly and ineffective “green energy solutions” upon us.
The problem with our politicians is they are so eager to flaunt their green credentials in Paris that they are falling over each other to adopt ever-more-costly-and ineffective “green” solutions to non-existent problems.
Their ridiculous green solutions will actually increase energy costs and drive up Excess Winter Mortality Rates*.
The problem with green energy is that it is not green and it produces little useful energy.
Cheap, abundant reliable energy is the lifeblood of society – it IS that simple.
Regards, Allan
* Post Script
Recently Joe d’Aleo and I published two papers that were adapted and submitted to the new warmist Alberta Climate Change Advisory Panel.
1. The UN’s IPCC Has No Credibility On Global Warming September 6, 2015
by Allan MacRae
2. Cold Weather Kills 20 Times as Many People as Hot Weather September 4, 2015
by Joseph D’Aleo and Allan MacRae
Our submissions to the Alberta Climate Change Advisory Panel are now posted on the Panel’s website – see 108, 108.1 and 108.2 at
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1whOKweyfKHfndDdUpxYXlQdUF0MGhSM25jR3RuLXppLU01NXlMcDFqR2pJZHpkSmo2T2M&usp=drive_web

John

The point, you can’t sue opinion as opinion relates to 1st amendment rights. Anyone who attempts to use RICO would be laughed out of town.
Your point related to Climategate emails is interesting. Collusion with intent to defraud?

davidgmills

RICO cases are really tough cases to win. With a substantial portion of the public not buying the global warming claims, getting a 10-2 verdict (which is what is needed in civil court) would be very difficult.
This case would be nothing like a tobacco case. Tobacco is not necessary for a person to live on, but having an adequate source of energy is, and energy is necessary to run our economy.
It would be a battle of experts and the fossil fuel industry would have no difficulty finding experts who have never taken a dime from the fossil fuel industry to testify. There are many in the academic community who have very fine credentials.
This idea is not going to get very far in my opinion.
I am a retired personal injury lawyer who practiced law in both Texas and Tennessee and I am reasonably familiar with RICO cases although they were not my exact field of specialty.

Jimbo

Below are the global warmers. The groups who keep telling us about the dangers of global warming AND the groups who compare us to the tactics of BIG TOBACCCO.
As a warm up here are the fossil fuel funded climate change and green bodies
TOBACCO LINKS and global warmers. I didn’t inhale but I took the money. Baaaah humbug and LOL.

The BBC Pension fund, as at 31 March 2013, had investments in the following tobacco companies:
Altria Group
British American Tobacco
Imperial Tobacco
Reynolds American

Al Gore, the climate change campaigner, has been quoted in 1996 by the New York Times saying:

“Throughout most of my life, I’ve raised tobacco,”……..”I want you to know that with my own hands, all of my life, I put it in the plant beds and transferred it. I’ve hoed it. I’ve chopped it. I’ve shredded it, spiked it, put it in the barn and stripped it and sold it.”

Earlier in the same article the New York Times said:

“Six years after Vice President Al Gore’s older sister died of lung cancer in 1984, he was still accepting campaign contributions from tobacco interests. Four years after she died, while campaigning for President in North Carolina, he boasted of his experiences in the tobacco fields and curing barns of his native Tennessee….”

8 June, 2012
Masters of Hypocrisy: the Union of Concerned Scientists
A new report funded by big oil and big tobacco has the chutzpah to complain about corporate influence on the climate debate.
http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2012/06/08/masters-of-hypocrisy-the-union-of-concerned-scientists/


One of the founders of the wildlife and climate campaigning WWF is Dr. Anton Rupert. The now deceased Dr. Rupert made his fortune from the cigarette manufacturing company called Voorbrand, re-named Rembrandt, now consolidated into Rothmans.
Ref: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1508360/Anton-Rupert.html

British American Tobacco Biodiversity Partnership: Fauna & Flora International, the Tropical Biology Association and Earthwatch Institute. Through the Partnership, we are involved in more than 30 biodiversity projects worldwide.
We donated £1 million per year to the Partnership in its first five years, and £1.5 million per year for the five years from 2006. In 2010, we agreed the scope of work for the next five years of the Partnership, with a commitment of £1.5 million per year. ”
Source: http://www.bat.com/ar/2010/directors-report/business-review/strategic-review/responsibility.html

Earthwatch partners with organizations across all sectors of business to improve both environmental and corporate sustainability…….
British American Tobacco (BAT) is the world’s second-largest tobacco group,…..Royal Dutch Shell is a global group of energy and petrochemical companies,”
Source:http://au.earthwatch.org/corporate-partnerships/partnership-profiles
Climate change can seem like a remote problem for our leaders, but the fact is that it’s already impacting real people, animals, and beloved places. These Faces of Climate Change are multiplying every day.”
Source:http://www.earthday.org/faceofclimate/?gclid=CN6Xp9Px9bkCFeY82wodKnAAMA

The WWF’s Vast Pool of Oil Money
http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2012/04/11/the-wwfs-vast-pool-of-oil-money/

Additionally, they asked too late in the Administration. This isn’t a drone strike and can’t be pulled together in a few hours. Putting together a RICO case would take months before the first filings and we are under 500 days until the next inauguration day. This is just another publicity stunt,

David and Jean – you appear to misunderstand.
I was and still am proposing a Civil RICO lawsuit against the global warming alarmists, not the skeptics.
The Climategate emails, the warmists’ falsifying of climate science, climate models and now even climate data are damning evidence of deliberate falsehoods, deceit and fraud.
These are not incidents of accidental and random error – the falsehoods are too consistent, there are far too many of them, there is ample evidence of conspiracy, and nobody who earns a PhD can be that imbecilic for that long without deliberate and conscious effort.
Civil RICO is a cause of action unique to the USA that is well-suited to these warmist fraudsters.
Regards, Allan

Julian Williams in Wales

Could the divergence between predicted and observed temperature be part of the case? For some years now the divergence has been well outside the error bars indicating the models are faulty or they have been extremely unlucky, but we keep getting told the models are widely believed and the situation may be worse than they thought. To carry on pretending that the models are valid is disingenuous at best, and that this issue is ignored in the above letter signed by Trenberth and others shows a cavalier disrespect towards the interests of the public at large who are under-righting the scam they are running .

Yes Julian, and also the accelerating divergence of the Surface Temperature data from the Lower Tropospheric Temperatures – in order to fraudulently represent that the models are more accurate (actually less INaccurate) than they really are.

John

Marks,
This from Cornell.edu
International Law
The Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution empowers Congress to “regulate commerce with foreign nations,” U.S. Const. Art. I, § 8, cl. 3, while other Article I provisions empower Congress to “lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises,” id. at Art. I, § 8, cl. 1, and prohibit states from doing the same without congressional approval, id. at Art. I, § 10, cl. 2. Pursuant to this authority, Congress has enacted numerous federal statutes, including the Tariff Act of 1930, the Trade Act of 1974, and the Trade Agreements Act of 1979.
Has Congress approved California Carbon Trading with Canada?

John

Thanks for the reply Allen and links to your papers.
With the extreme Canadian winters, I’m surprised anyone would consider green energy. Windmills would self-destruct and solar is largely useless. What green energy are they considering? Bio-fuels are silly given Canadian natural gas and coal reserves.

Hi John,
Wind Power is what Canadian warmists typically embrace – Canada has squandered billions of dollars on worthless grid-connected wind power schemes that require life-of-project subsidies and drive up energy costs..
Some background on grid-connected wind power schemes:
The Capacity Factor of wind power is typically a bit over 20%, but that is NOT the relevant factor.
The real truth is told by the Substitution Capacity, which is dropping to as low as 4% in Germany – that is the amount of conventional generation that can be permanently retired when wind power is installed into the grid.
The E.ON Netz Wind Report 2005 is an informative document:
http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/wp-content/uploads/eonwindreport2005.pdf
(apparently no longer available from E.ON Netz website).
Figure 6 says Wind Power is too intermittent (and needs almost 100% spinning backup);
and
Figure 7 says it just gets worse and worse the more Wind Power you add to the grid (see Substitution Capacity dropping from 8% to 4%).
Same story applies to grid-connected Solar Power (both in the absence of a “Super-Battery”).
This was all obvious to us decades ago – we published similar conclusions in 2002.
Trillions of dollars have been wasted globally on green energy that is not green and produces little useful energy.

John

Thanks Allen,
I’m surprised wind is even considered. From a practical standpoint, icing issues alone would render the windmills useless in the winter. maybe I’m wrong.

Hi John,
Icing would probably be a bigger problem in Eastern Canada where they get more freezing rain.
The wind quality in Southern Alberta is actually more consistent than most because of the cnfirguation of the

John

Allen,
I’ve got a suggestion related to a standardized methodology for all scientific papers and related communication; structured content.
I find it mind boggling, AR reports, scientific papers, and related Peer Review and Journal articles are not structured content. SGML or XML should be used to make the content easy for all to cross-correlate and cross-reference.
So much time wasted stumbling over prose and so little ability to manage the content insightfully.
Example: if AR5 and its related AR5 report for policy Decisionmakers were structured content, the cross comparison would take a matter of seconds to define credibility.
Perhaps the best solution for the scientific climate is a commonly shared schema and DTD? Why blame politics and zealots when science can discount both with structured logic?
Great EON article which focuses on limitations.
Best,
John

Interesting thoughts John.
I suggest that as a minimum, the authors of every technical paper should post online all their data and calculations, as we did when I proved in January 2008 that the atmospheric rate dCO2/dt varied ~contemporaneously with global temperature T and thus CO2 lagged T by about 9 months in the modern data record. The paper is here
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/CO2vsTMacRae.pdf
and the spreadsheet is here
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/CO2vsTMacRaeFig5b.xls
Even though the proof is apparent, my conclusion was deemed false (climate heresy!) for several months until it was finally admitted to be true. After that admission, the best my opponents came up with was: “IT MUST BE A FEEDBACK EFFECT” because THEY “KNOW” THAT CO2 DRIVES TEMPERATURE. [Haw! Occam says hokum! 🙂 ]
Compare that with Michael Mann’s famous hokey stick, where as I recall (perhaps imperfectly – its been a long time) he would not provide his data or his calculations.
Opposition to your good suggestion is likely to come for the global warming fanatics, who after almost two decades of NO NET GLOBAL WARMING are relying more and more on blatant BS (apologies for using engineering terminology) and less and less on real verifiable data.
Regards, Allan

Hi John,
Icing would probably be a bigger problem in Eastern Canada where they get more freezing rain.
Wind quality in Southern Alberta is actually more consistent than most because of the topography of the Crows Nest Pass to the west, which funnels the wind through to Rockies into this region.
Nevertheless, wind power projects in Southern Alberta require huge life-of-project subsidies to survive and this cost is passed on to consumers, driving up our electricity costs.
Wind power can also dangerously destabilize the power grid. Quoting from the above E.On Netz 2005 Wind Report:
“The feed-in capacity can change frequently within a few hours. This is shown in FIGURE 6, which reproduces the course of wind power feedin during the Christmas week from 20 to 26 December 2004. Whilst wind power feed-in at 9.15am on Christmas Eve reached its maximum for the year at 6,024MW, it fell to below 2,000MW within only 10 hours, a difference of over 4,000MW. This corresponds to the capacity of 8 x 500MW coal fired power station blocks. On Boxing Day, wind power feed-in in the E.ON grid fell to below 40MW. Handling such significant differences in feed-in levels poses a major challenge to grid operators.”
The way I read this, the Germans came close to crashing the regional or national power grid during Christmas 2004 due to a drop in wind power equivalent to EIGHT 500MW power stations within only 10 HOURS.
I suggest the grid operators deserve a medal, and the politicians responsible for this energy insanity should be held fully accountable, especially if their foolishness results in increased winter mortality.

Bruce Hall

Interestingly, one could argue that the activities of alarmists are designed to siphon off billions of dollars from taxpayers in useless or fraudulent studies which is not what so-called deniers (skeptics) do.

Scott

Can I plea for a lighter sentence?

MarkW

How about Helvetica, 9 point?

Severian

OK, almost spit up coffee all over my keyboard for that one! Good joke!
Personally, when I become Emperor, I’m going to send CAGW folks to environmental reeducation camp on the North Slope of Alaska building roads for the oil companies, comrade.
If the “science” of CAGW was robust it could stand on its own without the proponents constantly trying to silence any and all rebuttals. The whole attitude of “Why should I provide the data to you if you’re only going to try and prove it wrong” mentality proves this has nothing at all to do with science and everything to do with ideology and control.

Pamela Gray

Not without my safeway cheaters.

Tom J

Brilliant.

Menicholas

If I was Emperor, I would make them embark on a lifetime long confession tour, in which they travelled from one end of the country to the other and confessed to an assembly of schoolchildren in every single school district how unscientific and dishonest they were.
I would not trust them to set the record straight, but they must be made to recant.

A Climate Syllogism:
A: “Truth needs no defence”
B: Global Warming needs the federal government to prosecute dissenters.
C: You do the math.

Yep, you do not see ‘evolutionists’ needing to shut up ‘creationalists’. When you are lacking in supporting facts you want to shut up the other side.

Charles reichert

Thats why you dont want bibles in the schools?

Pamela Gray

The worship of religion has no place in public education. The study of religion should be required reading lest we repeat its mistakes in every generation.

Steve Reddish

“The study of religion should be required reading lest we repeat its mistakes…”
Christians actually have no objection to unbiased religious studies. We would love for people to become aware that forced government control of organized religion is the source of objectionable “Christian” behavior, such as the Crusades, wars between Protestants and Catholics, burning at the stake for those accused of heresy (speaking out against abuses of power by religious/government controllers).
Those abuses were the reason for the first amendment to the U.S. constitution: to prevent government control of religion, not to eliminate religion.
Government control of organised religion is echoed by today’s government control of climate science, such as the EPA’s war on coal.
SR

Steve Reddish

Mod., can my 10:53 am comment be removed?
SR

Gunga din

They’re taking the logical fallacy “appeal to authority” to a whole new level…..

MarkW

They are using the fact that the govt is able to use the legal system to blackmail entire industries as evidence that the govt is right to use the legal system to blackmail entire industries.

Menicholas

We might want to welcome such an investigation, once some honest/unbiased people are running the justice department.

MarkW

I don’t expect to see that again in my lifetime.

JimS

Obama should take heed, should he not? That is an 100% consensus.

It looks like it was written by a 12-year old.
Apologies to 12-year olds everywhere for the generalization.

Charles Samuels

I like this: “If corporations in the fossil fuel industry and their supporters are guilty of the misdeeds that have been documented in books and journal articles, it is imperative that these misdeeds be stopped.”
IF? i thought they were calling for prosecution.

Eugene WR Gallun

Charles Samuels
They are really calling for the process of prosecution. This is the next leap up from frivolous civil lawsuits that punish through harassment and expense. Having seen the mistake Michael Mann made by filing a civil suit they now figure to let the Federal Government do their dirty work. Frivolous government investigations under the guise of potential prosecution would have a devastating effect on the innocents so targeted. That is the entire point of it. And think of the screaming headlines of the main stream media!
“It Can’t Happen Here”? Liberalism is the new face of Fascism. If you have been following the news you know what the liberal state prosecutors of Wisconsin did to supporters of Scott Walker.
Eugene WR Gallun

Menicholas

Doubly ironic, considering the long history of standing up for the civil liberties of people with all sorts of non-mainstream views, attitudes, and lifestyles.

Jimbo

The thinking too is like a 12 year old. Glieck was convinced about massive funding, so he used illegal methods to trick Heartland, got the documents and could not find it. They are still convinced of some sort of conspiracy. Oil companies KNOW they aren’t about to go out of business. Obama approved something for them in the Arctic recently too.

Menicholas

Oil companies are among the biggest winners in the whole charade.
The government is busy eliminating the coal companies, which will leave the oil/gas producers with a far more valuable product line.
Plus, many of these companies are big players in the renewables money party.

Oil companies are among the biggest winners
======================
so true.
1. eliminate coal as competition and secure a monopoly
2. get paid to pump co2 underground to enhance oil recovery.
win. win.

Jimbo

Menicholas,
Some oil companies pump in co2 into wells (enhanced oil recovery) to recover residual oil / hard to get at oil. They have been at this since the 1970s. They must be licking their lips at co2 ‘sequestration’.

MarkW

I don’t know where the oil companies get the CO2 that they pump underground. I doubt it was taken out of the air. That’s expensive.
Most CO2 that is used in industrial processes is created on the spot from chemical reactions.
Any money they get from the govt for sequestration would have to be more than the extra cost involved in extracting CO2 from the air.

Jimbo

MarkW
September 20, 2015 at 10:42 am
I don’t know where the oil companies get the CO2 that they pump underground. I doubt it was taken out of the air. That’s expensive.

The co2 is taken from ‘domes’ of co2. This could be why the big oil folks are licking their lips over co2 sequestration. 🙂
The oil company Shell has been a pioneer of co2 enhanced oil recovery since the 1970s.

Abstract – 1976
Status of CO2 and Hydrocarbon Miscible Oil Recovery Methods
In this state-of-the-art review, the basic procedures for applying CO2 and hydrocarbon miscible oil recovery, processes are explained. Some principal field tests and commercial applications of the processes are presented with a current assessment of the miscible flooding techniques.
http://dx.doi.org/10.2118/5560-PA
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Abstract – 1989
Summary Results of CO2 EOR Field Tests, 1972-1987
Since the early 1970s, numerous presentations have been made and articles written about pilot tests and field-scale enhanced oil recovery projects using carbon dioxide (CO2) as a solvent. This paper summarizes publicly available data on 30 paper summarizes publicly available data on 30 projects. The use of CO2 has grown significantly projects. The use of CO2 has grown significantly since the early-1980s, especially in the Permian Basin, as reliable supplies of CO2 became more available. Today, even with depressed crude oil markets, the use of CO2 continues to grow. The use of CO2 in the Rocky Mountain region is increasing, primarily among those with prior CO2 flooding primarily among those with prior CO2 flooding experience in the Permian Basin……
http://dx.doi.org/10.2118/18977-MS

Jimbo

Here is Shell on enhanced oil recovery</b. and co2.
Enhanced oil recovery patents had been filed since at least the 1950s

PATENT
May 16, 1950
Method for producing oil by means of carbon dioxide
…This invention relates to the production of oil from a subsurface oil reservoir. More particularly, the invention relates to a method involving the injection of a gas comprising carbon dioxide into an oil reservoir under conditions such that the amount of oil recovered is greater than is recoverable by previously known methods of oil production. …
https://www.google.com/patents/US2623596

Here is an oil fracking patent from the 1960s.

PATENT
1964
Production of oil from oil shale through fractures
https://www.google.com/patents/US3284281

Jimbo

Shell began co2 enhanced oil recovery as early as 1972 in Texas.

1972
Shell starts CO/sub 2/ injection project in west texas
A full-scale carbon dioxide (COD2U) injection secondary recovery project using 4 injection wells in an inverted 9-spot pattern has been started by Shell Oil Co., operator of the North Cross unit of the Crossett field, 50 miles south of Odessa, Tex. Unit co-owners are Texaco Inc. and Atlantic Richfield Co. COD2U was selected for this 1,120-acre field, currently producing 1,600 bopd from 18 wells, because up to 20 MMcfd will be available from the nearby Canyon Reef Carrier pipeline that transports gas to the large SACROC project is Scurry County. Also, the COD2U has better overall injectivity, miscibility, and displacement properties in this low permeability, high porosity reservoir, than other available injection fluids. The North Cross unit reservoir is an eastward dipping strat-trap with 55-ft average net pay. Four COD2U injection wells above the gas/oil contact help maintain reservoir pressure for GOR control. A cross section from west to east shows how the Devonian oil pay is limited by oil/water and gas/oil contacts. Porosity formed by leaching in siliceous carbonate rocks gives the reservoir low permeablity, but relatively homogeneous composition for miscible displacement.
http://www.osti.gov/scitech/biblio/6048940

richard

“We are now at high risk of seriously destabilizing the Earth’s climate and irreparably harming people around the world, especially the world’s poorest people”
the growth in world’s population seems to be coming from third world countries.

george e. smith

Not included amongst the world’s poorest people, are the otherwise unemployable ‘climate scientists’ who are totally dependent on swilling at the taxpayer’s trough for their continued sustenance.
It is they who have the greatest need to continue to promote their unproven theories.
If it is true that the science is settled, and the overwhelming consensus is that we must do something; I call on the aforementioned US Government tyrants led by Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, to immediately terminate all Federal taxpayer funding of further un-needed climate research, and divert those resources to qualified engineering practitioners to enable them to implement practical amelioration systems to cure the problem.
g

Bubba Cow

and eliminate public funding of “higher education”
let the market decide

If it is true that the science is settled, and the overwhelming consensus is that we must do something
I call for bombing all coal fired power plants being built around the world since the science was settled. Or at least all the new ones built and being built. The health of the Earth’s Climate is at stake. What? Saving the Earth is not worth a war? I claim a lack of seriousness.

M Simon
I call for bombing all coal fired power plants being built around the world
Wow:
I understand the sarc but given the current state of US foreign policy there’s a non 0 probability that someone could take that seriously. Clearly the US has bombed countries on less noble sounding pretexts. C02 is the new WMD

Mike McMillan

You’d think people whose manipulation of data is well documented would be leery of bringing up the RICO statutes.

Gamecock

Zactly. The letter writers should be charged under RICO. Oh, the ironing!

noaaprogrammer

In psychology it’s called “projection.”

Menicholas

Are you sure NOAA Programmer, that it is not called “Prediction”?

Menicholas

Where is Terry, our resident linguistics decider?

Joe Crawford

Ah, but the end justifies the means. If the data don’t show what you expect, a tiny bit of manipulation is totally acceptable if it will help to save the world from the (imagined) catastrophes. /sarc

BFL

“Tiny” bit of manipulation… ??, LOL

“Tiny” bit of manipulation
============
only manipulated 1 thing. the data.

Margaret Smith

“a tiny bit of manipulation is totally acceptable if it will help to save the world…”
That is a lovely example of what we British call understatement – first class!

WTF

Question…If the science is settled, why do we need to fund climate science or “scientists” anymore?? Just wunder’n.

Menicholas

It only just got settled a few days ago, when word got out that everyone else had been using improper statistical methodology.
Now that they invented some new ways to manipulate data, and used to show no pause ever occurred…NOW the science is settled.

Jaakko Kateenkorva

How would the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act apply to individuals?

MarkW

You claim that the individuals are working in concert, which makes them part of an “organization”.

asybot

If there is an organization of “deniers” or one of “sceptics” can someone send me their address I want to join and get “RICO’d”.

noaaprogrammer

wattsupwiththat.com

Menicholas

“How would the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act apply to individuals?”
Simple…the climate racketeers and corrupt grant recipient organizations just make up any silly lies about skeptics they want…just like always.

Bill Illis

Are we supposed to believe the “science” put forward by people who adopt such irrational positions in a public letter? I mean, you can’t have any credibility after signing a letter like this

“I mean, you can’t have any credibility after signing a letter like this”
… or before even. Travesty Trenberth signed it.

Eugene WR Gallun

TRENBERTH LOSES HIS STRAWBERRIES
(See the courtroom scene in the Caine Mutiny movie)
As green house gases still accrete
This captain of the climate war
Is searching for the missing heat
That he believes the oceans store
He’ll prove to all humanity
That danger in the deep resides
The Kraken that he knows to be
That Davy Jones’ Locker hides
The soul’s more heavy than we think
A truth that everyone must face
And to what depths a soul may sink
Oh! To what dark and dismal place
Does Captain Trenberth understand
That data offers no appeal?
He tumbles in his restless hand
Three clacking balls of stainless steel
MY GEOMETRIC LOGIC PROVES
HEAT TELEPORTS FROM PLACE TO PLACE
FROM SKIES INTO THE DEPTHS IT MOVES
AND IN BETWEEN IT LEAVES NO TRACE!
When silent faces stare at you
It’s always best to shut your jaw
But Trenberth is without a clue
As he believes they stare in awe!
Eugene WR Gallun

A modern Coleridge decried
the sinking of poor Trenberth’s ship
he’d scuttled on a shoal of lies
to keep consensus membership.
And it is truly a classic!

GeneDoc

This is horrifying. Promoting Lysenko-style suppression of dissent in science using the power of government is the last retreat of this intellectually bankrupt group. As I wrote on Dr. Curry’s site, it’s especially disheartening to see that so many signatories are employed by George Mason University, named for the author of the Virginia Declaration of Rights, predecessor of the Bill of Rights.

James the Elder

True, but remember it takes that many in a group to confront Dr. Walter E. Williams and even then they are at a disadvantage.

george e. smith

Well handsome WEW is a damned side smarter than the whole cadre of those churls who signed this personal hara kiri letter.
g

Mike McMillan

And a considerate husband, too. As I recall, he once gave the late Mrs Williams a new snow shovel for Christmas.

Menicholas

Thank you for the great gift idea!
I shall finish my shopping early this year!

AndyE

Yes, GeneDoc – Horrifying is the word which first came to my mind also. I think I actually felt physically frightened as I was reading it. I could feel the hairs on the back of my head! Is that really what it has come to? A real threat to expressing an opinion in words and speech? In the United States of all places?

GeneDoc

Oh, it’s OK! Barry Klinger explains it all!
http://mason.gmu.edu/~bklinger/rico.html
It’s only a call to suppress COMPANIES (you know, like those evil suppliers of fuel that makes the world work) who have knowingly misinformed the public in order to sell their dangerous products. He doesn’t want to suppress or even jail any individuals, he just wants retribution (justice?): a big ol’ pot of money to be taken from those evil companies a la the tobacco settlements, presumably to support his vital research into whether the science is truly settled or not:
http://mason.gmu.edu/~bklinger/Warming/warminghome.html
Of course he had to go along with his boss and his family-feeding foundation, the slimy IGES operation:
http://www.iges.org/aboutiges.html
Barry, time to free yourself from these anti-science ideologues. You are destroying your reputation and that of the graduate program you run.

Mark

How would you like to be paying tuition bills To George Mason for some science education these days? Wow. Apparently, instead of dorms they utilize re-education camps until conformity is achieved! Shameful abuse of educational privilege by these profs and if RICO needs to be enforced let’s start with the higher ed cabal of over indulged ‘professors’.

Bubba Cow

try these (for anger management – not):
https://www.heartland.org/sustainability-education-new-fundamentalism
http://www.aashe.org/resources/academic-programs/
gone is education and in its place is indoctrination and it is everywhere in US

Catcracking

I saw this in another venue last night and sent it to a number of media folks asking that they expose those who do not believe in freedom of speech and true Science.
I will also send this to Drudge in an attempt to have it added to his news page.
I suggest that others also consider sending this outrageous letter to a many media venues as possible to expose the folks who propose the misuse of the RICO act to push their un scientific agenda.

confusedphoton

Obviously they have been taking lessons from the Spanish Inquisition, if you can’t convert then imprison, torture and burn the heretics.
Just normal for climate “science”

Marcus

The liberal ” Eco-Terrorists ” are getting desperate !!! They know this the last time a Democrat will sit in the White for a very long time !!

Marcus

OOPS !! ” is “

James the Elder

“House”. We can but hope but with so many RINOs in the mix I doubt the train to Hell will stop. If it can be slowed until the Potomac freezes over we may have a chance.

MarkW

with 47% of the population getting more in govt goodies than they pay in taxes. Your claim is in doubt.
Those who believe that the job of the govt is to take other people’s money and give it to them are rapidly becoming the majority.

warrenlb

RICO penalties are too light for Anti-Science Neanderthals who continue to obfuscate, put forth bad data, claim scientific consensus is evidence against AGW while they have no consistent or scientifically supportable view of the climate, and promote snark as a substitute for thinking. Put them in jail and throw away the key.

Wouldn’t you know that the perennially wrong crank warrenlb would be in the alarmist peanut gallery, cheering on this proposed new Inquisition?
“Put them in jail and throw away the key,” demands warrenlb. If any proof was needed that warrenlb has lost the science argument, that comment says it all.
If the alarmist cult had good arguments they wouldn’t need Big Government coercion to feed their hatred. But with only pseudo-science arguments that the public is now ridiculing, warrenlb predictably is one of the “good Germans” in the mob attacking the hated “deniers”. They are hated by warrenlb and his ilk because skeptics have decisively trounced them in the science debate, and the public is now turning on the climate alarmist crowd.
If any more proof is needed that the alarmist contingent has decisively lost the ‘dangerous man-made global warming’ debate, see warrenlb’s comment above. He can’t win the argument because he has no credible evidence, or measurements, or reasonable arguments — and Planet Earth herself is making a fool of his scary predictions. So warrenlb’s impotent response is: Put them in jail and throw away the key. I’m sure that gives warrenlb goose bumps just thinking about it.
Poor Warren, he was just born in the wrong era. If this was the late 1930’s in Germany, warrenlb would be an active dues-paying member of the Nazi Party, having great fun organizing anti-Semitic book burning rallies. After reading his intolerant comment above, is there any doubt?

Billy Liar

dbstealey.
Warren only made one little error in his comment, I’m sure he’d wish to correct it as below:
RICO penalties are too light for Anti-Science Neanderthals who continue to obfuscate, put forth bad data, claim scientific consensus is evidence against for AGW while they have no consistent or scientifically supportable view of the climate, and promote snark as a substitute for thinking. Put them in jail and throw away the key.
It just takes one little Freudian slip to ruin your whole comment!

sysiphus /

dbstealey, what warrenlb doesn’t understand is that if they come for us, it won’t be long before they come for him, too.

Actually, I misspoke. I only advocate encarceration for you. /sarc.

When you’re through the looking glass “off with their heads” seems a reasonable response. In just that way environmentalists find themselves consistently on the side of tyranny and repressive government at the same time professing a liberal love of the oppressed! Warren, your charity towards those you disagree with qualifies you to be a stormtrooper for the modern face of fascism.

Dawtgtomis

Yes, warrenlb you are truly the “poster child” for the warmunist movement.

“Profess a liberal love of the oppressed” ?? Not me. I endorse this Republican view of Free Market solutions to AGW: http://republicen.org
(By the way, last time anyone checked, the atmosphere and the Climate followed the Laws of Physics, not politics as you seem to believe.)

The last time I checked proposing to incarcerate anybody for any reason was a political view so stop with the pretend nomenclature issues. What’s so annoying about you Warren is your petulance reminds one of that guard in the “Green Mile” whose admissions of consent drip with pusillanimity.

Gary Pearse

Well, warrenlb, you certainly are a shining success story of the “core subjects” program of the . Fortunately, no matter how hard the apparatchiks of the left try, there is always a small but relatively fixed percentage of students that know they are being force fed ideological pap. I am, however blown away by their 100% success with you. I guess there is no point in explaining that if the science is settled (the first science to be so annointed) demonstrable, and supported by a 97% consensus, how can a credible opposition be launched, no matter who is supporting it? Just for the heck of it, try asking that at the next rally of the “Cultural Revolution” or the “Great Leap Forward” and see what answer they can give you.

Menicholas

The tiny minority of skeptics in the world keep the enlightened ones up at night via a “Princess and the Pea” type mechanism, whereby an insignificant annoyance is somehow able to dominate the lives of these brave souls who are attempting to save us all from ourselves.
/sarc off

Another Scott

“RICO penalties are too light for warrenlb who continues to obfuscate, put forth bad data, claim scientific consensus is evidence for CAGW while warrenlb has no consistent or scientifically supportable view of CAGW*9+-, and promotes snark as a substitute for thinking. Put warrenlb in jail and throw away the key.” is how it would look if the shoe was on the other foot, by the way.

MarkW

Wow, the troll actually believes that anyone who fails to worship the lie that all real scientists agree with it should be prosecuted.
What is it about liberals and their desire to eliminate all opposition to their goals?

ChrisDinBristol

Warrenlb is NOT a liberal. My (empirical) evidence? See his comment above.
You cant get much more illiberal than that.

4 eyes

Warren
….Substitute for thinking. You clearly do not know what thinking is. If you did you would not write such an idiotic comment

PaulH

Mark Steyn’s take:
http://www.steynonline.com/7182/twenty-more-disgraces-to-the-profession
“Frustrated at the failure of global-warming alarmism to shift an apathetic public, Big Climate could do several things. Most obviously, they could resume public debate with those who disagree with them, win the argument and thereby persuade the people – which is how change is effected in self-governing societies.
Instead, twenty of them have written to the President to demand that the most powerful government on earth use the RICO laws to prosecute climate “skeptics” and “deniers”. Instead of winning the debate, it’s easier to criminalize it.”

As a graduate of a school with two signatories, I am leaning towards sending copies of Mark Steyn’s book to them both and the University President with a request they “write their own chapter” for Mark’s sequel.

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Matt Bergin

Maybe this would be a good thing. If they start looking for any funding that would allow them to use RICO on us skeptics, they will find us unfunded and thereby not a problem. Then they might look into where the oil money is really going and slap the Warmers ( Read that as the REAL D*niers ) with the RICO statute.

James the Elder

It would take an AG with a pair and a POTUS to have his back.
Sorry about the doom and gloom outlook but as the days become colder, so too my mood. My doctor prescribes a slow-cooked beef stew and slowly quaffed sour mash for this condition.
Cheers

Pamela Gray

I’m all for that. Let the children battle it out. They seem not able to learn any other way. I make a pretty damned good venison stew wrought from the end of my 35 Remington, along with a batch of pan fried beer bread, and am learning to make homemade brew.

Admad

hunter

Great video!

Steve in SC

It is my considered opinion that the way to deal with the signatories of this epistle is to in the words of Rooster Cogburn “Give em a fair trial and a nice hangin!”

MarkW

“Give em a fair trial”
There are days when I’m tired of being nicer to my enemies, than they are to me.
They have no desire to give us a fair trial …

Menicholas

True dat, homeslice.

Jimbo

An appropriate name for the attorney general. Fair trial, nice hangin’
Attorney General Lynch.
The science is settled. We are swivel-eyed loons. So why the legal stuff?
On agriculture and climate stability. They must have forgotten the global record cereal output last year in the face of ever rising co2. There cannot be any link at all.

indefatigablefrog

They would be welcome to come and investigate me.
What they would uncover is that I a regular citizen.
And maybe they might learn that I am a formerly convinced and alarmed proponent of the climate change hysteria, who just happens to have woken up from the sleep of dreams.
Principally, because I became suspicious of what was being pumped into my head by the govt. and mass media and decided instead to take an interest almost exclusively in study of the data, first via searches for graphs of rainfall averages on google images. (Then sea level charts and averages, then antarctic sea ice records, then satellite troposphere measurements, then Argo float records…etc, etc)
To quote the great Yuri Bezmenov (former KGB spy):
“You can see it with your own eyes. All you have to do — all American mass media has to do — is to unplug their bananas from their ears, open up their eyes and they can see it. There is no mystery.”
Quote from: https://mcalvanyintelligenceadvisor.com/demoralization-destabilization-insurgency-normalization

MarkW

You don’t want to pay higher taxes or higher energy prices.
Therefore you are acting in your own selfish interest.
The fact that you post here, where people of like mind also post proves that you are part of corrupt organization.
Therefore you can expect to be fined, and if you continue in evil ways, jail time.
/sarc

indefatigablefrog I was exactly the same as you and assumed that what these people were saying mad sense, until someone said that earth would end up like Venus, which I realised was impossible. I started looking at the “science” and realised there were gaping holes in it, heat disappearing into the oceans, from a warming atmosphere was one such gem. I then took a look at other branches of science and found the same self-serving, grant money comes first, attitude of some scientists. Here are some of the examples:
1) Diet low in animal fat, low in protein high in carbs is good for you. No it isn’t
2) Second hand tobacco smoke causes lung cancer in non-smokers, only if a meta study of separate totally unlinked studies is carried out and the results “adjusted”.
3) A 21 year old should have a blood pressure of 120/80 as should a 90 year old.
4) Safe blood cholesterol levels are lowered because the drug companies want us all on statins.
5) Same with blood glucose and type 2 diabetes but with metformin.
6) Lead in petrol finds its way into human tissues, no it was lead in water pipes that was the source. Thanks to these studies we now have petrol that is a 1000 times more toxic due to the benzene it contains and poor overall fuel consumption in petrol cars.
7) NASA keep showing us tantalising photos of the surface of Mars with a cubic metallic object, conveniently blurred that they say MAY be alien (looks like part of a space probe from Earth to me), plus a variety of rock formations that COULD be fossils. I would imagine that this is to get US government funding for a manned mission to Mars.
There must be many more, but these are the ones that I know that have more than an element of truth in them

Pamela Gray

Your Freudian slip is priceless!
“…mad sense…”

indefatigablefrog

I fell for the high complex carb, low fat diet bullshit, too.
Those bastards ruined my life with their flawed, ideologically motivated so-called “science”.
As a science worshipping teenager I shunned breakfasts of eggs and bacon and chose the muesli and skimmed milk. Eventually I became quite severely malnourished and started to suffer with IBS.
Thanks to Gary Taubes and his skeptical expose, “the Diet Delusion”, I now have a real diet comprising real food.
But, I fell for the “Diet Delusion” and I also fell for the “Extreme Weather Delusion”.
I wasted what should have been the best years of my life believing in harmful nonsense.

Owen in GA

When I first heard of this nonsense of man-made global warming, I thought it might be possible, but I’d need to see the data, as I was fighting a group of activists that were irrationally afraid of nuclear power due to Three Mile Island and the movie “The China Syndrome”, and had seen hysteria from people who were otherwise rational get passed off as “SCIENCE”. Then Dr. Mann published a temperature reconstruction which eliminated most of the history I had studied for my whole life. The explanation for the various migrations and wars in post Roman Europe were eliminated with the stroke of a paper. I knew for instance that Grapes were grown just south of Hadrian’s Wall in Britain, that the Vikings had farms in Greenland, and the ancient Roman Alpine mines were reachable during the medieval warm period. I knew that the Thames froze over, there were Ice festivals held all over Europe, that Valley Forge was just a typical winter during the Little Ice Age. These things were definitely real. I had seen the documentation. Dr. Mann’s paper was lauded and hyped to the hilt by the true believer evangelists in the press, and I smelled a RAT. Since then every single time I look at a warmist-hyped paper’s data (when I can get ahold of it!), there are major manipulations and data strangulations that would have gotten me thrown out of my degree program if I had tried to pass any of it off as a lab report. I lumped CAGW in with the ozone hole scare as a giant faked political science experiment designed to enhance one-world government control of every life on the planet. Of course, I never saw it as a conspiracy, as I had seen leftist group-think in action before and know there does not need to be any coordination for indoctrinated leftist to come to the “correct” solution. Then came the Climategate emails…conspiracy exposed, but providence of the data and chain of custody requirements make them inadmissible in court so the chance to prosecute is basically zero.

Tom in Florida

Perhaps the Republican controlled Congress should pass a resolution for the President to invoke RICO on all those that signed the letter. They are the liars and charlatans.
Oh, I’m sorry. The lame ass Republicans won’t do anything that might involve having some balls.

Alan Robertson

“NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32
Or report from 29 districts.
The revolution will not be televised.”
Gil Scott Heron- The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

It’s “potentially serious”!!!!!!

Menicholas

So is the blister I always get when I wear those new shoes I bought…but I have not gone and written to the Preezy of the United Steezy to lock anybody up over it.

jsuther2013

“knowingly deceived”? In a fair world they would be hoist on their own petard. How come they can’t defend their science as accountable scientists do?

ralfellis

The Warmist Religion not only has a pontiff, Pope Gore the first, it now wants to set up the Warmist Inquisition.
I foresee heresy trials in each town. Warmist Inquisitors and teachers will visit each house, asking the children if their parents ever talked about there being no global warming. Those denounced by their own frightened children would be taken out to the town square to meet their doom – just like the Cathars during the Albigensian Crusade.
First they came for the Climate Realists, and I stood by and did nothing. And then they came for the Nuclear Scientists, and I stood by and did nothing. And then they came for the Wealthy, and I stood by and did nothing. And then they came for the Middle Classes, and there was nobody left to protect me……
(With apologies to Pastor Martin Niemöller.)
.
“Did your Father ever Deny Climate Change?”
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/images/paintings/warg/large/nml_warg_wag_2679_large.jpg
(With apologies to William Frederick Yeames — The English Civil War.)

I totally agree, the failure of the AGW proposition is now so intense that an inquisition is required to quiet the skeptics they call “deniers”.

I hope it’s in the winter when it minus 20 below 0. We can stand outside and discuss. … yes your lordship, the world is heating up, I can see that…. and horror of horrors today some car dealer announced that snow was on the way.. by official proclamation snow is no more… he should be tarred and feathered, run out of town on a rail…. yea say the religion of AGW

A Watermelon attack! Communists always attempt to silence of jail their opposition…pg

Don Perry

Don’t be surprised if the current administration takes this letter seriously and follows through on it’s demands. The head narcissist is hell-bent on leaving a legacy of “fundamentally transforming” the United States. Nothing would do so more than the implementation of his climate agenda, which he has stated will be his grand push during the remainder of his term of office. God help us all.

MarkW

Now that he has given Iran the bomb, and the Middle East to the Russians, he is ready to turn his full attention to destroying his domestic opponents.

Steve P

Alarmism takes more than one form, none more sinister than your bogus brand of hysterical hyperbole, the likes of which has already created chaos in the Middle East, and the refugee crisis in Europe.

MarkW

Everything I’ve said has happened, how is historical truth hyperbole?
Iran will have the bomb in a couple of years, Obama has ensured that.
Russia has troops in Syria, something 50 years of American presidents have tried to prevent.

Kevin R.

Take the letter seriously? The Obama administration probably wrote the letter and then got these people to sign it.

jsuther2013

I am also very sure that ‘we’ could put together a much more impressive list of names against this folly. I recognized only two names in that list.

george e. smith

I must be a recluse; I could only recognize one, and that only because we have similar geographical origins.
g

Menicholas

Two for me…Betts and Trenberth.
But without Trenberth, the letter might as well have been written by Manny, Moe and Jack.

Alan Robertson

More like- Larry, Moe and Curly

Yeah, where was Michael Manny?
/Mr Lynn

ralfellis

>>increasing ocean acidity
How can they get away with writing things like this? This is a deliberate deception, in order to gain government grants and persecute a vulnerable minority. Are there not laws that prohibit fraaudulent claims like this?
Ralph

mike

Imagine an anti-tobacco crusader caught in a neo-natal intensive care unit, puffin’ away on an evil-smelling stogie and blowing smoke-rings into the faces of the unit’s precious babes, struggling for life. Got that image? Time to call the cops, right?
Now transfer the above image of the gent with the cigar to those who are convinced that CO2 emissions KILL BABIES!!! and KILL POLAR BEARS!!!, but who, nevertheless, carbon-bigfoot their way about the globe, spewing the very CO2 that they are convinced is a lethal gas! Good match, I think you’ll find. And for what ends do the “beautiful people”, our Philosopher King and Queen betters, exude their vast quantities of carbon “pollution” ? Well, for frivolous recreation activities like skiing; vacationing at ritzy, tourist-trap resorts; pleasure boating; nature-cruises, jet-set hob-nobbing, and the like. And for what else? Well, for book-signings, award-ceremonies, eco-confabs, and the like–all activities that could be easily and reasonably conducted as zero-carbon (i. e. zero dead-baby/Polar Bear) video-conferences.
So if there is any criminal conduct associated with the Gaia-con, then the crime is mass-murder. And the perpetrators of that monstrous crime are–surprise! surprise!–our very own hive-hero betters wielding their CO2-emitting, party-animal, homicidal lifestyles, as their eugenics thrill-cull weapon-of-choice. Report them to the police, I’d say–including, of course, all those proto-perp-walkers heading to COP-21.
P. S. Has anyone calculated the “dead-baby equivalents” the upcoming COP-21’s carbon-footprint will cost humanity? And for those hive-worthies who think that killing babies is a Gaia-friendly good deed–as long as none of the tykes are anyone our betters might know, it goes without saying–what is the “dead Polar Bear equalivent” measure of that Paris confab’s CO2 footprint?

Pamela Gray

You ask, “Has anyone calculated the “dead-baby equivalents” the upcoming COP-21’s carbon-footprint will cost humanity?” Just as soon as third world countries provide free abortions along with the sale of parts. It’s the new money crop of the age, something China has probably been doing for decades and has just recently upped the price for a beating heart.

Harry van Loon

They must be out of their minds. I am sorry to see so many esteemed colleagues among the signatories.

michaelspj

Harry is a very big name in the history of atmospheric science, for those who don’t know.

CD153

“What is PROJECTION?”
“A psychoanalytical theory, projection is the process whereby one subject believes they see attributes (both good and bad) in another. The theory views this tendency as a defense mechanism whereby unenviable or unpleasant traits, impulses or ideas are attributed to another. In this way, the projector is able to avoid the unpleasantness in themselves. However, the theory goes on to explain that in severe cases of projection, the condition of projection may degenerate into paranoid delusions to the point that the projector believes others are responsible for the projector’s problems and are secretly plotting against them. The projection basically allows a subject to ignore faults within themselves.”
http://psychologydictionary.org/projection/
As far as I am concerned, this letter from Trenberth and the others is an admission of the own feelings of guilt by projecting onto skeptics the idea that they (the skeptics) are the ones in the wrong. Having been cooking the temperature books and putting out bad science (Karl’s paper involving the buoy and ships’ temperature data) they are in the process of projecting the idea of wrongdoing onto skeptics in order to protect themselves against the consequences of their (Karl’s and Trenberth’s) own actions.
it is rather childish behavior if one were to ask me. “I know you are, but what am I!?”

Menicholas

So, then the proper reply to the letter would be ” I am made of rubber, and you are made of glue”?

Richard Keen

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
– Shakespeare on the “dirty twenty”

poitsplace

Skeptics have worked hard to avoid any and all questionable funding/associations. On the other hand, the people involved in the climate change garbage are actually doing things that the RICO laws cover. It wouldn’t take long for the people from other side of the aisle to nudge the justice department onto the blatantly obvious paper trail of the eco-mafia…if not at the federal level, at the state level.

hunter

This is just a sciencey version of how religious zealots or political extremists behave regarding defending their distorted faith and ideology from dangerous heretics and dissenters….until the zealots and extremists can work up the social support to start implementing a final solution, purge, pogrom, etc.
Trenberth’s descent into this sort of pathetic cowardly madness is particularly interesting. He got away with turning the scientific method on its head, demanding proof that his apocalyptic claptrap was untrue. Now, still with no apocalypse taking place, he is ready to simply jail those pesky people who keep pointing out he is wrong.
Sadly, this President has demonstrated no critical thinking ability and he is clearly an extremist. I will not be surprised to see the demands of this letter actually implemented.
Prepare for a revisit to the McCarthy witch hunt days several orders of magnitude worse. McCarthy never had the full backing of the Dept. of Justice. The climate clowns have this President’s full backing.

Curious George

This is a letter to the President – an appeal of desperate losers. Dangerous, anyway – it shows how their minds operate. If he acts on it, the Democrats will be a non-entity in November 2016. Mr. Obama is probably a good enough politician to see it – unless he does not care and plans to follow Mr. Gerard Depardieu to Russia, where he would be undoubtedly awarded a honorary citizenship.

From the thread at William M. Briggs’ post on this:
http://wmbriggs.com/post/16865/#comments

patrick michaels
September 19, 2015 at 12:16 am
The letter was written by Jagadish Shukla, a climate modeler at George Mason University. His GMU CV lists ~16 million in federal funds in five years, If we back those years (2004-08) out and go forward, he’s probably good for about 100m (that’s1/10 of a billion) in 2006 dollars over his career. But wait, there’s more!
The letter did not come from GMU. It came from his consulting company, the Institute of Global Environment and Society [sic]. There, you will see that his wife and (apparently) his daughter are the administrators, no doubt for a princessly sum, because most CV’s don’t list your outside consulting contracts. But wait, you can get eight for one!
That’s because the largest number of people who signed this miscarriage work for him, at the same company, or at GMU, where probably a load of his consulting stuff is funneled through.
Talk about RICO! I can’t make this up, it’s too good. They had better hope a vindictive Republican never gets elected while they are still kicking. If that person had control of only one house of Congress, the government would probably run amok against them, to the detriment of all of science, as governments don’t know when or where to stop.

If this comment is anyplace close to the truth, we need a RICO investigation of the people associated with the letter!
~Mark

hunter

Wow, sleaze ball faux scientist with a phony NGO he runs through his wife and daughter writing a letter to silence critics of their work and money source.
The climate fanatics are shameless and unaccountable….so far.

Jimbo

A petty point I know but looking at the website of Institute of Global Environment and Society I read:

…..was established to improve understanding and prediction of the variations of the Earth’s climate through scientific research on climate variability and climate predictability,…..
http://www.iges.org/aboutiges.html

The president of the society is J. Shukla, who is a signatory of the letter. He was the Lead Author, IPCC Working Group 1 Report, Climate Change 2007. Interestingly Kevin Trenberth is one of the signatories of the letter.
I have been told that climate scientists don’t make predictions. Kevin Trenberth wrote a piece in Nature and said that the IPCC does not make predictions and never has. I begged to differ here.

Menicholas

Call Terry!

Bill H

I think the bigger danger, initially, is to those like our esteemed host here. The frivolous prosecutions and seizures could ultimately silence blogs like this one in a heart beat. Remember that Obama is still using the IRS to kill conservative groups with similar methods. This is not beyond the realm of possibility and the current admin has shown they are willing to do it.
The fact that this is even being suggested by these people, should send shivers down your spine. Thinking that this could not happen in the US is dangerous. They have simply found a way to control the internet by criminalization of unapproved thoughts.

hunter

And they are coming for skeptics of all stripes soon. I see climate loyalty oaths coming to academia, insurance, finance, media, and more.

michaelspj

It is 100 per cent true. Look up his CV and his consulting company. All there for everyone to see.

Stephen Richards

Capture it now before they remove it

Billy Liar

He appears to be Indian. Is it common for foreign workers to attempt to use the US Justice system to silence people that don’t agree with them. Doesn’t he risk losing his Green Card?

RD

Thanks MarkStoval for relaying Brigg’s observations.

Guy

If you check the name of the people on that letter you will find they have received rich grants.
Here is a good example :
https://newsdesk.gmu.edu/2014/09/new-3-million-grant-expand-climate-change-coverage

Pamela Gray

Next comes some sort of symbol we must wear on our sleeves and either Barack or Clinton let their facial hair grow into a mustache, neatly trimmed.

Sweet Old Bob

Dang ! I knew Hillary was hiding something from us !

Pamela Gray

I’m pushing 60 and will overtake it shortly. I have discovered exactly where a man’s hair disappears to. It switches gender and can be found right above my lip and in straggly lengths under my chin. The lip hair I can see. The under the chin hairs I don’t notice till they begin to tickle my cleavage.

Tom J

Pam, that’s way too much information. 🙂

Tom J

Ok, Pam one last thought and I’m done. A man’s hair actually disappears from the top of his head and reappears in his nostrils and ears.

Pamela Gray

Things get lots funnier and less decorous as you age. And my constitution dictates that I laugh instead of whine.

Menicholas

For some men, Pamela, you may have noticed it migrates down-head and begins to sprout out of the nose, ears and back.

Menicholas

OOh, Tom beat me to it!

Pamela Gray

LOL!!! Being short I don’t notice what goes on with a man’s head of hair. Noses? Different story.

Tom J

Your daughter goes on her first date to the movies:
$25.00
Your daughter goes to the Senior Prom.
$200.00
Your daughter gets an engagement ring.
+$1,500.00
Your daughter’s too short to see that her fiance’s bald.
Priceless!

Menicholas

The eyebrows as well: They seem to have an unfortunate tendency to begin to resemble a couple of wooly caterpillars inhabiting a man’s forehead.

Oldseadog

….. an overwhelming majority of climate scientists ….. .
Number?
Link to poll?
No, didn’t think so. As usual, no evidence, just shouting.

I guess the same old 97% claim.

harrywr2

1616 – Galileo was forbidden from holding or defending his belief that the earth was not the center of the universe
1633 – Galileo was convicted of heresy.

Jimmy Haigh

Yup. They’s a gonna get medieval on our ass…

Stephen Richards

Well, Obama is a muslim, isn’t he. They live in the 7th century still.

Menicholas

Break out the pliers and blowtorches, eh?

MCourtney

Stephen Richards September 19, 2015 at 11:41 am

Well, Obama is a muslim, isn’t he. They live in the 7th century still.

No, he isn’t.
No, most don’t.
No, that doesn’t help – it makes us all look nuts.

willhaas

You are right. So anyone who disputes “settled science” should be sued under RICO. The Ptolemaic system was once settled science. So anyone who thinks differently should be sued under RICO including teachers who have taught other than the Ptolemaic system as well as their students which nowadays includes most educated people.

Taphonomic

Drudge has picked up on this RICO story. He has it together with a link to an article by Tony Heller on NOAA temperature data tampering. This may be a case of: be careful what you wish for.

Skeptic

I agree! RICO should be used against Mann, Hansen, Nye, Holdern, Kerry the EPA and a whole host of others. Too bad it couldn’t be applied outside the US to the likes of the UN and IPCC, UEA, Connolley of Wikipedia and most of all, Maurice Strong!

mikewaite

Rico maybe the wrong tool for dealing with the likes of IPCC and their mercenaries.
I have been looking at the early publications on the subject of radiative transfer and climate science written in the 1960s and 70s from persons such as Hansen, Houghton and Manabe and was very impressed with the scholarship and style in those early papers , even if the conclusions do not do not always stand the test of later work .
So what happened to turn those and other contributors into rabid followers of the most extreme predictions? One answer might be the arrival of massive processing power , enabling global modelling on possibly insecure assumptions , but i think that the major influence was the establishment of IPCC which intruded a political element that was previously missing.
Given that the ultimate objective of IPCC , according to some of its proponents, is the end of the western capitalist society , then the action should be to label IPCC as a terrorist organisation and deal with it accordingly..

Menicholas

No, the turning point was the appearance of massive funding.

Barry

Written by. . .
Bill McKibben. ‘Nuff said.
/Mr Lynn

I think what is really a sad state of affairs is that anyone listens to scientists directly. Science by its very nature can have experimentally demonstrated behaviours coupled with heavily theoretical behaviours. So to paraphrase Steve McIntyre, you need to watch out for the assertion thimble.
However the real world relies on large groups of people to take science theory or initial demonstration / proof of concept, and turn this into something useful and safe for all of us to use. All those assumptions and assertions need real characterisation so that only a few remain and can be bounded with tolerance. Scientific principles still apply but then so does engineering process and most importantly, ethics and morality, hence the idea of qualification and acceptance for use.
The accuracy of climate data alone should give you pause to think, and should give people like Trenberth pause to think. Ironically a reason he searches for that mysterious heat is because he believes in a high climate sensitivity. As is stated in Hansen et al 1981, if you stick to lower sensitivities (assuming of course you believe in this Co2 to temperature relationship) you don’t need that heat in the ocean. As an aside, in the very same paper Hansen mentions getting a sensitivity range from to 1.4°C to 5.6°C fitting to the same temperature data. I think I’d a bit dubious about a metric that could change by 400% but still match the input data. I’d probably try and stick to lower sensitivities as it required less assumptions.
But if you spend your career on one path of thinking then you end up only seeing what you want to. A scientist can afford that at times; an engineer or anyone else in a human-facing field cannot. So maybe these guys should check themselves the next time they drive their car and turn on their smart phones, because someone cared enough to make sure that those objects behaved in a safe manner before being let loose on the world.
And then think about why they are trying to take their speculative hypotheses with little experimental evidence and try to force real change to real world economies.

TomRude

Here in Canada, here is the kind of garbage a CBC meteorologist is spewing during the Federal Election campaign:
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Technology/ID/2675749375/
If this is not politically motivated, what is?

Billy Liar

She could be replaced by a robot. No artificial intelligence required – just word soup.

Richard M

Well, it is nice to have another list of names to prosecute for academic fraud when the cooling really kicks in.

William Astley

Propaganda does not change the truth. I can not image what will be the media and political response to unequivocal natural global cooling.
The age of the cult of CAGW is not going to end well. We are going to experience NGC which is no surprise as there is cyclic abrupt cooling in the paleo record that correlates with solar cycle changes. The planet will and has started to cool due to the abrupt change in the sun which is now obvious based on observations.
There is no CAGW problem. There is no AGW problem. It appears there may be CNGC problem.
In a world run by logic, truth, honor, and courage, a scientist’s primary responsibility would be to publically acknowledge and investigate and encourage the investigation (funding to investigate the anomalies and paradoxes) of anomalies and paradoxes that disprove or question the validity of a theory.
It is fact that are astonishing breakthroughs in multiple fields that are obvious from a detailed analysis of the anomalies and paradoxes. The fact that in field after field anomalies and paradoxes are disregarded or worse actively suppressed and discouraged indicates that there are hidden agendas in the field in question and that the scientists in question do not understand how to solve complex holistic problems.
In a world run by logic, truth, honor, and courage, politicians would understand that every country has limited funds to spend and a long list of problems to solve. We do not need a CAGW problem to solve. Regardless spending trillions of dollars on green scams that do not work – do not significantly reduce total CO2 emissions and do tripling the cost of electricity – or spending money on crazy carbon trading scams will result in less jobs, lower GDP, higher national debt, and less money to spend on things our countries do need.