Hump Day Hilarity – more hilarious hate mail


Readers may recall back on May 13th of this year I posted about a change in policy related to hate mail and hateful comments that get sent our way in:

Hump day hilarity: WUWT’s new policy on hate mail – your hate mail will be published

Since then, it seems the hate mail has dialed back a bit, probably because the sort of people that hurl this dreck are cowards who don’t put their name behind their words, sort of like “Sou” at “hotwhopper”, (aka Miriam O’Brien) who prefers daily denigration from the comfort of anonymity even though she’s been known for quite some time.

I do have a a couple of new ones though, and they are just as hilarious as the first one. The email addresses have been redacted, but they are likely disposable email addresses based on the domain used. Can’t have any direct retorts, now can we?


Ah, the projection of moral superiority is deliciously ironic, isn’t it?

Interestingly, the recent official record reports for Seattle are nowhere near 106 degrees:



0126 AM PDT TUE JUN 30 2015






0126 AM PDT SUN JUN 28 2015




Other records were a bit warmer, but these are all to the far eastern side of Washington State, where hot and dry are normal climate events for summer.



240 PM PDT MON JUN 29 2015



                       JUNE 28TH     JUNE 28TH

WENATCHEE ARPT WA***       109         100 (1987)        1959

SPOKANE ARPT WA**          105          96 (1896)        1881

LEWISTON ARPT ID**         111         104 (1939)        1881

PULLMAN/MOSCOW ARPT WA**   105          94 (1992)        1940

MOSES LAKE WA**            112          99 (2008)        1947

EPHRATA WA**               110          99 (1987)        1948

OMAK ARPT WA****           110          97 (1992)        1931

MAZAMA WA                  102          96 (1987)        1948

PORTHILL WA*                99          96 (2006)        1892

PLUMMER ID**                99          87 (1992)        1948

CHELAN WA****              109          96 (1992)        1890

STEHEKIN WA                 99          97 (2003)        1906

SAINT MARIES ID             97          97 (1925)        1897

BAYVIEW MODEL BASIN ID      93          91 (1948)        1947

ROSALIA WA                 100          99 (1939)        1893

HARTLINE WA**              107          97 (1979)        1927

BOUNDARY DAM WA             90          84 (1989)        1965

NORTHPORT WA**             104          98 (1979)        1899

ODESSA WA**                110         103 (2008)        1902

RITZVILLE WA               107         105 (1939)        1899

CHIEF JOSEPH DAM WA****    113         100 (1987)        1949

BONNERS FERRY ID***        105          96 (2006)        1907

LA CROSSE WA***            113          98 (2008)        1931

REPUBLIC WA**              104          98 (1929)        1899

COLVILLE WA**              108          95 (2008)        1899

LIND WA**                  109         101 (1939)        1931

WINTHROP WA*               103          96 (1987)        1906

SANDPOINT ID**             102          94 (1939)        1910


                      JUNE 27TH      JUNE 27TH

CHELAN                 106          96 (2002)        1890

GRAND COULEE DAM WA      103          98 (2006)        1934

WINTHROP WA              100          99 (1925)        1906

WENATCHEE ARPT WA        105         101 (2006)        1959

SPOKANE ARPT WA          102          98 (1925)        1881

LEWISTON ARPT ID         107         103 (1925)        1881

MULLAN PASS ID**          85          79 (2006)        1938

LA CROSSE WA             110         101 (2006)        1931

PULLMAN/MOSCOW ARPT WA    99          94 (1970)        1940

MOSES LAKE WA            106         101 (2006)        1947

EPHRATA WA               107         101 (2006)        1948

LIND WA                  105         100 (2002)        1931

COLVILLE WA              104          99 (1925)        1899

REPUBLIC WA              101          97 (1925)        1899

OMAK ARPT WA             107         100 (2006)        1931

HOLDEN VILLAGE WA         94          90 (1992)        1930

SANDPOINT ID             100          94 (2006)        1910

NORTHPORT WA             101          98 (1979)        1899

ODESSA WA*               106         101 (2006)        1902

RITZVILLE WA             104          99 (1939)        1899

PRIEST RAPIDS DAM WA     108         104 (2006)        1956

PLAIN WA*                    98          94 (1992)        1937


                      JUNE 26TH      JUNE 26TH

LA CROSSE WA             106         101 (2002)        1931

CHIEF JOSEPH DAM WA      106         103 (2002)        1949

PRIEST RAPIDS DAM WA     104         103 (1987)        1956

WENATCHEE ARPT WA        102         100 (2006)        1959

OMAK WA                  102         101 (1992)        1931

LIND WA                  101         100 (2002)        1931

COLVILLE WA*             101         100 (2002)        1899

GRAND COULEE DAM WA       99          98 (1992)        1934

SANDPOINT ID              95          95 (2006)        1910

NEZ PERCE ID              92          90 (1992)        1901

WATERVILLE WA             97          97 (1896)        1893

RITZVILLE WA             101         100 (1925)        1899





While certainly it was one of the warmest Washington days ever recorded by thermometers, note the period of record for the oldest temperature records only extends as far back as 1881. I always find it amusing when people such as “Benno” think recorded history translates to just over 100 years.

What they miss is the millennia before that when the land known as “Washington state” existed and had climate. How does “Benno” know such temperatures didn’t exist before? He doesn’t; our current set of records is just a flyspeck of time, and such a small time period sample can’t capture the dynamics of the climate over past millennia.

But, they’ll emotionally wail about it anyway, and cite it as “proof” of climate change.


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Paul Westhaver
July 1, 2015 7:02 am

You can do yourself good by also posting “Mean Tweets” in a segment a la Jimmy Kimmel. Very funny.
Using their actual names is very effective at disarming them, but sometimes their pseudonyms are telling.

Reply to  Paul Westhaver
July 1, 2015 8:21 am

Telling? You mean like this:
“Flaming Johnny2”?

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  RobRoy
July 1, 2015 8:59 am

Yes! ahem… RobRoy!
Fantasies about chopping “Cunningham” Beau Brummells in half with an oversized claymore? As per your pseudonym?

Reply to  RobRoy
July 1, 2015 9:18 am

…sometimes served with a Maraschino,?
Or the Scottish Freebooter?
That’s actually my name(s)
Now I have to look up all of that Beau Brummel stuff
(It’s a hat, right?)

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  RobRoy
July 1, 2015 9:27 am

Rob Roy… Fantastic name!
re: Beau Brummell… it is more about the WAY you wear your clothes. Check George Byron (Beau) Brummell. Tim Roth as Cunningham got it spot on. Yes, there is a name for it. In the 19th century young eager men would live in poverty but wear and rewear a fancy suit to keep up appearances. They were called dandies. Similar thing.

Reply to  RobRoy
July 1, 2015 11:22 am

“Telling? You mean like this: “Flaming Johnny2″?’
Or perhaps a Fantastic Four reference

Reply to  RobRoy
July 1, 2015 12:44 pm

He was the leadman in ‘Flaming Johnny And The Emoliators’

Reply to  RobRoy
July 1, 2015 1:51 pm

Rob Roy was a great movie and Tim Roth was fantastic, but it was set at the beginning of the 18th century, not the 19th. It is based on a book by Sir Walter Scott published in 1817, and referring to the Jacobite uprising in 1715.
Unfortunately, Scott decided to write the dialogue of his Scottish characters in dialect, which made reading the book too much of a chore, for me at least.

Evan Jones
Reply to  RobRoy
July 1, 2015 4:06 pm

Scott was far too much of a chore for me, too. Ivanhoe was ponderous. Go with Pyle’s Men of Iron, for my tastes.

Reply to  Paul Westhaver
July 1, 2015 10:05 am

Reading that first post, the most telling aspect might be the geographic vagueness regarding Washington State in conjunction with the “kangaroo” mention, AND the handle. I would not be surprised to hear that it was from “Sou” herself.

Just Steve
July 1, 2015 7:02 am

Wow….who can reject crystal clear, pithily worded arguments like these?

Reply to  Just Steve
July 1, 2015 10:36 am

Indeed, clearly the product of the finest Swiss finishing schools on the banks of Lake Geneva.

Coach Springer
July 1, 2015 7:03 am

Last sentence of first example is pure comedy gold.

Reply to  Coach Springer
July 1, 2015 9:22 am

The sad thing is that many of them honestly believe that. The socialist have convinced them that green energy will somehow be cheaper then fossil fuels, just as they have convinced them that socialism will somehow provide them with a better life then capitalism. Despite that neither has ever been successful without a constant inflow of Other People’s Money.

Jonas N
Reply to  schitzree
July 1, 2015 10:01 am

Socialism has been a disaster with the constant inflow of other people’s money …

Reply to  schitzree
July 1, 2015 10:06 am

Yes Jonas, all of the roads and highways that Socialism has brought us have been nothing but a disaster.

Reply to  schitzree
July 1, 2015 10:49 am

Ah yes, Joel,
I understand nothing but good came from the roads and highways built by the Todt Organization in Germany in the ’30s.

Just Steve
Reply to  schitzree
July 1, 2015 11:17 am

Joel uses the prototypical straw man argument to “prove” socialism works……the current road system is the growth, or more properly, evolution of the Constitutionally allowed post roads.
Paying a tax on gas to fund roads is hardly like confiscating peoples money to give to someone else for whatever purpose.

Alan McIntire
Reply to  schitzree
July 1, 2015 1:33 pm

I’ve recently read a biography of President Eisenhower, “Eisenhower in War and Peace”, by Jean Edward Smith, which gave some perspective on our interstate highway system. At the end of World War I,
Eisenhower led a convoy of army vehicles from Washington, D.C. to San Francisco, CA. Due to the bad roads, the trip took over 60 days. Remembering that unplasant trip , Eisenhower established what is now officially named the Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways .
The system was to help in movement of troops, and evacuation of cities, in case of nuclear war- so there was a constitutinal rationale in that program- to provide for the common defense.
MOST roads are built by states or their subdivisions, and have nothing whatever to do with the federal government- except for their “revenue sharing” corecive measures- which leads to an “incredible blob” growth of the federal government.

Reply to  schitzree
July 1, 2015 1:55 pm

Just Steve… you are saying that the Constitution permits socialism by establishing roads?

Reply to  schitzree
July 2, 2015 3:48 am

Joel D. Jackson… you are saying that the entire Constitution is itself Socialistic?
Roads are established by legislation action, a legislature that was democratically elected. The construction is paid for by taxes authorized by the democratically elected legislature. And when being built the land that is needed is paid for, and even if the landowner resists selling the government has to follow laws enacted by the democratically elected legislature before they can appropriate the land AND they still have to pay the fair market price AND the land owner has recourse to numerous appeals processes.
So explain again how establishing roads is socialism. And if it is, explain how everything else the democratically elected government isn’t also socialism.

Bruce Cobb
July 1, 2015 7:03 am

Their cherished Belief system is being destroyed, which causes emotional turmoil to the climate kool-ade-guzzling, snot-nosed, potty-mouthed, basement-dwelling, grade-school educated (if that) Climatards.

Steve Case
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
July 1, 2015 7:15 am

Why do you stoop to their level with the name-calling?

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Steve Case
July 1, 2015 8:03 am

They deserve nothing less.

Reply to  Steve Case
July 1, 2015 9:18 am

You can feel good about yourself, or you can be effective.

Tom J
Reply to  Steve Case
July 1, 2015 11:39 am

They bring name calling; I say, bring mockery and sarcasm.

Evan Jones
Reply to  Steve Case
July 1, 2015 4:09 pm

Go with “effective”. It’s more, well, effective.

Bubba Cow
July 1, 2015 7:06 am

Scientists have revealed a negative correlation between local temperature and language skills.

Reply to  Bubba Cow
July 1, 2015 10:32 am

Global warming is making us stupid! Let’s apply for a grant to study it. When our results are illogical, doesn’t fit the data, and full of gibberish, we can use it as proof of our original hypothesis, it’s due to global warming!

Tom J
Reply to  Jtom
July 1, 2015 11:34 am

Noncents, I was alwaes stuepid.
P.S. Howya’ doin’ Bubba? Best wishes up there in Vermont.

July 1, 2015 7:14 am

The moment people resort to verbal abuse, you know their argument has no depth at all. Its funny and sad at the same time.

Steve Case
Reply to  Dobes
July 1, 2015 7:18 am

B I N G O !   And I wish people on my side of the issue wouldn’t do it.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Steve Case
July 1, 2015 8:09 am

Hello Steve,
Just what are we to say about people who make claims such as: “the science is settled”, or who cite the “97%” while vilifying anyone who disagrees?
Are we to say that they are merely true believers, with no actual knowledge? What about those who make such claims professionally, such as Naomi Oreskes? Are we to call them what they truly ar;, dangerous propagandists?

Alan McIntire
Reply to  Steve Case
July 1, 2015 1:41 pm

I ageee with you 100% . Replying to the likes of Benno and Marco Zacks can easily degenerate into a childish exchange of personal smears. That’s why I post my fulll name; It helps me control those urges to respond in kind. I don’t want to see posts under my name which I will later be ashamed of.

Evan Jones
Reply to  Steve Case
July 1, 2015 4:11 pm

And I wish people on my side of the issue wouldn’t do it.
I agree.

Tom T
Reply to  Dobes
July 1, 2015 12:31 pm

I dont agree with this at all. I will frequently abuse alarmist trolls. They are usually menials or boomers. Both generations are totally unable to handle criticism and they implode the moment you say anything bad about them.

Reply to  Tom T
July 1, 2015 10:18 pm

Yes, and don’t expect the Boomers to thank you for pointing out that the hippy movement is now looking indistinguishable from Agenda 21. Free thinkers, yeah right.

Evan Jones
Reply to  Tom T
July 2, 2015 3:27 am

Be that as may be. But they are not convinced and those who observe from the outside make note. The high road is required. That is not always the easier road, but it is surer.

Geoff Withnell
Reply to  Tom T
July 2, 2015 4:14 am

Speaking as a boomer, I would appreciate a little less over generalization, please?

Steve Case
Reply to  Dobes
July 1, 2015 1:34 pm

Alan Robertson July 1, 2015 at 8:09 am
What about those who make such claims professionally, such as Naomi Oreskes? Are we to call them what they truly ar;, dangerous propagandists?

Accurate descriptions Left-wing, Liberal Democrats, and propaganda artists as opposed to libtards and a few other pure insults.

July 1, 2015 7:25 am

Seattle (or nearby, other side of the mountain) warming = global warming? this is usually a NY centric view.

HGW xx/7
Reply to  Joe
July 1, 2015 8:30 am

The far-left Eco-zealots that comprise 90% of Seattle’s population think they’re the center of the universe and anyone disagreeing – specifically the very libertarian eastern half of the state – are a bunch of knuckledraggers. Needless to say, those in the eastern region of Washington loathe Seattle; count me in that camp, as well.
Split the state.

Reply to  HGW xx/7
July 1, 2015 10:23 pm

King County got 10,000 extra ballots in 2012, and those ballots also get counted last after elections. Things do seem to fall in that one county’s favor, don’t they.

John F. Hultquist
July 1, 2015 7:28 am

We live in that hot area east of the Cascade Crest. It is nice to see our little part of the world featured on WUWT. It has been warm. We call it Summer.
I did chuckle at flamingjohnny’s “we will bring climate change to a halt. Not so long ago the Seattle area was covered by ice. Too bad we did not stop climate change then.
Just kidding – there a some very nice folks over there.

Michael C. Roberts
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
July 1, 2015 10:21 am

Good Morning John, from the Wet Side of the Cascade Range (although this summer, not so wet). While a few temperature records have been broken, overall the experience is more pleasant than usual for us over/up here in San Francisco North-land (as I know the Seattle-Tacoma region to be). It cools into the upper 50’s to low 60’s at night, and while we do not have whole-house AC (usually no need for AC until late July – early August around here, and even then for only about a 2-3 week period) I did throw in a couple of window-shakers (those are in-window air conditioning units, for those readers who just said…what the heck is a window shaker?) serving the den and the master bedroom – we have a few escapes from the ‘oppression’! I find the days very warm, but having spent time in Las Vegas and New Orleans, these temps are tolerable and the evenings on the deck, sitting outdoors (instead of huddling indoors during our normal foggy and rainy early-summers around these parts) has been a particularly sublime experience. Warmer than usual? Yes. Dry, brown grass? Just remember the pictures of the US Open on TV (I live a stones’ throw from that venue at Chambers Bay, by the way) and you’ll understand that Western Washington has had less-than-usual rainfall this year. And Mr. Watts is correct – we have a very short timeline of recorded temps for this geographic region to gauge extremes by. I say, adjust and enjoy it while it lasts, locals. Overall, nothing catastrophic here. The reservoirs are near capacity (from proper prior planning, no less), we always complain around here how we have no summers, so when we finally get an actual summer – no complaints from me!

Reply to  Michael C. Roberts
July 1, 2015 4:41 pm

I have a windowless garage and didn’t want to put any large holes in the brick, so got a 20KBTU window AC and modified it with a water jacket around the condenser (used a washer solenoid to power up the added spray head at the top of the jacket when the AC comes in). Then routed the water drain hose to the swimming pool to make it warmer (that did require a small hole in the brick). Love that AC in the garage!

July 1, 2015 7:30 am

The recently past warm spell in Eastern WA was strictly a WX phenomenon, not “climate change”.

Reply to  sturgishooper
July 5, 2015 8:51 pm

Got that right…. Washington state record…118 F Aug. 5, 1961 Ice Harbor Dam…

Margaret Smith
July 1, 2015 7:34 am

“It doesn’t take a genius to understand how climate works, it doesn’t even take an educated person to understand it.”
This probably means he isn’t educated too well but can probably manage the IPCC animation – so simple a child of 5 could misled by it.
I think it would take a rare (non-existent) genius to actually understand the climate and truly call themselves a ‘Climatologist’.

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Beijing
Reply to  Margaret Smith
July 1, 2015 8:26 am

I too noticed there may be an issue with ‘education’ v.s. ‘schooling’. After some people have been shown how to use the internet they assume the two are synonyms.
There has indeed been a heat wave in Washington State. I don’t think it is anything strange however, having visited a family member who lived in Ashcroft, BC. I was very surprised how hot, and how frequently hot, it gets there in ‘the interior’.
I am in warm and muggy Beijing with clear blue skies and puffy white clouds scudding by. Surely there is something I can blame that on?

Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo but really in Beijing
July 1, 2015 8:52 am

“I am in warm and muggy Beijing with clear blue skies and puffy white clouds scudding by. Surely there is something I can blame that on?”
Bush ;o)

Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo but really in Beijing
July 1, 2015 11:26 am

Clear blue skies in Beijing? The locals would be starting to panic.

Mike McMillan
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo but really in Beijing
July 1, 2015 12:20 pm
David Jay
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo but really in Beijing
July 1, 2015 8:42 pm

You sure get around. As a long time WUWT reader, I have watched your moniker changes with interest.
David in SuZhou

Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo but really in Beijing
July 2, 2015 8:25 pm

Also in Beijing, where the sky would currently make most Texans proud. Two days ago the weather seemed to be attempting to reach derecho status (gotten one every other year since I have been here, about this time, quite normal), however, which probably blew all the pollution to Dalian and beyond. Takes a lot of wind to get the pollution over the mountains that completely surround the city; Phoenix and LA residents are well acquainted with the effect. Definitely a good time for long bike rides.

July 1, 2015 7:35 am

Anthony: While many of these ‘haters’ and bullies can be funny and entertain us all, some can be dangerous or they can Inspire others who feed on hate. Some of the unstable ones have the potential for harm. We saw a recent example of an unstable hater recently in South Carolina. You are such an important personality In the battle for scientific truth, I would urge you to use caution. Perhaps consulting with a security professional might be advisable. Please take care and don’t underestimate the haters and bullies.

July 1, 2015 7:35 am

Speaking of which. Have you considered Dr Peterson’s reply to you yet?
[oh yes, I have. He should be dealing with it right about now. By the way, since you are one of “those persons”, what’s your excuse for hurling snark/insults here while hiding behind a fake name? – Anthony]

Reply to  icouldnthelpit
July 1, 2015 7:43 am

(Another wasted effort by a banned sockpuppet. Comment DELETED. -mod)

Reply to  icouldnthelpit
July 1, 2015 7:55 am

(Another wasted effort by a banned sockpuppet. Comment DELETED. -mod)

Reply to  icouldnthelpit
July 1, 2015 4:10 pm

@ icouldnthelpit ,
you smug sob, how about some links.
And some proof, or it might get really unpleasant.
You wanna play ?

Reply to  icouldnthelpit
July 1, 2015 5:07 pm

I think that “trolls”,although usually mislead, stubborn and illogical, can be important to the extent that they many times offer arguments that appear logical to those (including me) that aren’t always that familiar with the twists of climatology. But I can depend on commentary here to promptly enlighten me and set the story straight.

M Courtney
July 1, 2015 7:35 am

flamingjohnny2 seems convinced that all the scepticism about the end of the world is due to a conspiracy of evil coal barons.
He deserves great respect for his courage.
If he was right about this nefarious and very powerful cabal who are willing to destroy the world for personal gain… well, he’s just put himself in a very dangerous position.
However, he also deserves our contempt for his rationality.
Because the world isn’t populated by Bond villains.

Reply to  M Courtney
July 2, 2015 10:14 am

Surely a Lew paper should be incoming soon to explain this phenomena. After all I’m sure Lew is interested in studying conspiracy theories wherever they rear their heads in academically interesting ways, and not just in finding a way he can use his education to smear political opponents in a topic he has no credibility speaking on.
Do I need to put a sarc tag?

July 1, 2015 7:36 am

I live near Seattle also.
One sunny summer day, I took a trip to Orcas Island and went up to Mount Constitution. Listened to the friendly park ranger give a talk about the area. “15,000 years ago this whole area was covered by ice 3 miles deep.” This appeared to be the consensus science.
The climate has changed a bit since then. When the British first came to the area by ship, the ice was all gone. It must have been all those coal burning industries that caused the change. It was Exxon and Shell’s fault that there is no longer an ice sheet covering the area.
And humans have had a very difficult time adjusting to the change in temperature. The population growth of Seattle shows how tough the adjustment has been. Why just yesterday, I had to go wading the rising Puget Sound to cool off in the summer temperatures. People are even buying air conditioners here now.

Gregory Kelly
Reply to  leon0112
July 1, 2015 9:34 am

Oh you forgot those horrible people on the island of Atlantis, they had to have been the cause, since sea level rise was what probably got them, and ended the last ice age.

Ian Macdonald
Reply to  Gregory Kelly
July 1, 2015 2:04 pm

Nope, it was a honking great volcano (Thira) that got them. Although, the tsunami which followed was what did most of the immediate damage. It’s reckoned that the dust caused global dimming which resulted in crop failures for years afterwards. Seems like they were quite civilised people too, far from being horrible they kept the pirates under control which made trading possible. Even had hot&cold water in their homes. Advantage of living near a volcano I guess. Does have its disadvantages, though.
Which should serve as a salutary warning that there are more serious concerns than climate change. After all, Yellowstone is even bigger.

Björn from Sweden
July 1, 2015 7:37 am

Do not judge these people to hard. They have built a meaning of life in fighting a climate change that you show is not happening. All their invested emotions have been for something that probably was just an illusion. Of course they are frustrated and weak minded people will kill the messenger to avenge bad news.

July 1, 2015 7:39 am

You guys have warm weather? You lucky bastards! The summer in Finland has been miserably cold and rainy.

Reply to  vieras
July 1, 2015 10:07 am

Right now the entire west coast would be happy to trade.

Reply to  Duster
July 1, 2015 10:53 am

Not me

July 1, 2015 7:39 am

…and if it was cold and wet, they would be complaining about that

Steve Oregon
July 1, 2015 7:40 am

Coach Springer at 7:03 am said, “Last sentence of first example is pure comedy gold.”
“energy will be much more affordable and less commercial.”
Sounds familiar.
When government insists on taking care of us.
“Healthcare will be much more affordable and less commercial”.
“Education will be much more affordable and less commercial”
“Transit will be much more affordable and less commercial ”
Justice and equality for all!

Reply to  Steve Oregon
July 1, 2015 11:29 am

Is this the modern equivilant of “free beer for the workers”

Mike from the Carson Valley on the cold side of the Sierra
Reply to  old44
July 1, 2015 11:59 am

I believe you mean “free beer tomorrow” for those thirsty workers.

Reply to  Steve Oregon
July 1, 2015 11:45 am

“energy will be much more affordable and less commercial.”
Good, I was promised “Electricity too cheap to meter.” and flying cars back in the sixties

Reply to  Paul Jackson
July 1, 2015 1:00 pm

…make that nuclear powered flying cars.

Leo Smth
Reply to  Paul Jackson
July 1, 2015 10:39 pm

Well nuclear electricity if produced to sane regulations would be in the region of 2c a unit.
There is around a 5 times uplift due to the ‘fear tax’

July 1, 2015 7:41 am

Pseudo science and false predictions
Are used to confuse us,
And if we ask any questions
With names they’ll abuse us!

Eugene WR Gallun
Reply to  rhymeafterrhyme
July 1, 2015 8:20 am

rhymeafterrhyme — like it — Eugene WR Gallun

July 1, 2015 7:47 am

Anthony, you’ll enjoy this.
Miriam O’Brien (aka Sou at HotWhopper) always complains about our use of her actual name when we discuss her nonsensical rants at HotWhopper. Seems she overlooks the article she wrote for “The Intelligent Review” titled “Climate change is personal by Miriam O’Brien”.
The end of the article lists where she lives in Australia and that she blogs at HotWhopper.

Reply to  Bob Tisdale
July 1, 2015 8:02 am

(Another wasted effort by a banned sockpuppet. Comment DELETED. -mod)

Peter Miller
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
July 1, 2015 8:40 am

I am confused, why is it called ‘Intelligent Review’?

Janice the Elder
Reply to  Peter Miller
July 1, 2015 11:47 am

I believe it is similar to calling forest fires set by the Forest Rangers “Controlled Burns”, and briefings at the military are called “Military Intelligence”, and the stuff you are given to eat while flying is called “Airplane Food”. It is a shame that various organizations try so hard not to be funny, when they actually are.

Reply to  Bob Tisdale
July 1, 2015 1:37 pm

Her complaint is completely valid. In an article that is almost never read on a site that is almost never visited, it’s not public disclosure. When the same info appears here – whole different ball game.

Paul Coppin
Reply to  TomB
July 1, 2015 3:00 pm

Um Tom, if the site is available by public access, its public disclosure.

Michael Wassil
Reply to  TomB
July 1, 2015 9:31 pm

Paul Coppin July 1, 2015 at 3:00 pm
“…on a site that is almost never visited, it’s not public disclosure (/sarc). When the same info appears here – whole different ball game.”

Reply to  Bob Tisdale
July 1, 2015 2:14 pm

She’s an Australian, how embarrassing😳 Well, no apology from me, after all, I did sign the petition to keep her locked up.

July 1, 2015 7:48 am

Ran into a local numbskull in Houston who is claiming that the rainy period we are experiencing is the new constant in our climate. This genius was highly offended when I dared to say that the only constant in climate and weather is change. I guess he was too busy working on his barista skills to recall how the drought and heat wave Texas had in 2011 was predicted to be new constant. Or how Houston history is dominated by flooding rains. Or how Texas is famous for harsh droughts and heavy rains.

Eugene WR Gallun
Reply to  hunter
July 1, 2015 8:25 am

hunter — I lived around Houstan for a number of years. Sounds about right. Never saw rain like it can rain in Houstan.– Eugene WR Gallun

D.J. Hawkins
Reply to  Eugene WR Gallun
July 1, 2015 4:28 pm

Some time ago, I spent about a year or so on assignment in Dallas. I found the summer downpours to be awesome, in the strictest sense of the word, “filling one with a sense of awe”. After the first such event, I fully understood why, compared to NJ, the drainage systems and storm sewers seemed to be on steroids.

Reply to  Eugene WR Gallun
July 2, 2015 8:44 pm

@D.J. Hawkins
I was born in New Orleans. There you will understand what a “drainage system on steroids” really is. But I grew up in Dallas, and the drainage system benefits greatly from ground that is usually badly desirous of water. Stick around for when a big storm follows a previously soaking rain… then things aren’t so nice.
New Jersey, however, doesn’t have a drainage system as much as a partially-controlled drowning system. My personal anecdote was being stuck on the Jersey Turnpike in East Orange at rush hour in my first Mustang GT 5.0 (with leaky T-Top roof… that leak never bothered me when I lived in Phoenix, but even then I was doing my part to prevent global cooling). A moderate storm (by Dallas standards, and typical for a New Orleans summer afternoon cloudburst) lasting only about 30 minutes quickly backed up the drainage system while I was stuck in the depression under a surface street bridge. Cars to the front, cars to the rear, nowhere to go, and water that began to rise at about 3″/minute. Fortunately, I got the electric windows rolled down before the water reached the battery and I quite literally swam to safety. The water crested at about 3″ below the roofline of the car. At least the T-Top didn’t get wet.

D.J. Hawkins
Reply to  Eugene WR Gallun
July 6, 2015 5:54 pm

One thing to keep in mind is that on average, NJ has the same population density as India. The large percentage of “non-permeable coverage” can lead to flash flood like conditions, and Rte 22 and Rte 46 are notorious for their numerous “water hazards”. If 30 minutes was bad, imagine what it’s like after 3 days of steady rain, even in the fractions-of-an-inch per hour range.

Reply to  hunter
July 1, 2015 8:37 am

About 10 years ago Florida was stricken by 4 hurricanes in one season. Al Gore, national numbskull said “This is what we can expect from a warming world”
We haven’t seen any (or not many)hurricanes since then.
So,Hunter, you should probably prepare for drought.

Reply to  RobRoy
July 1, 2015 10:08 am

When I was at university (during the Upper Pleistocene) one of my professors said, “By the time you graduate there will be no programming language used except PL/I”, I never got that degree, so technically he has not been proved wrong.
In the same spirit, the world has not warmed in the past decade, so Manbearpig has not been proved wrong either

July 1, 2015 7:53 am

I live just North of Seattle and had a good laugh about the 106 temp. That was in Eastern Washington where it is always s hot in the summer. Here north of Seattle it was about 80, hot yes, but not anything to panic about. Besides, go to the Sound along the water and it is always about five or ten degrees cooler.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  pyeatte
July 2, 2015 10:41 pm

I work in Mt Vernon, and live in Oak Harbor. It was 90f in the parking lot at work when I left, and 76f at my house, which is a mile or so from Crescent Harbor. I’ve seen differences as high as 27f between the two places on hot sunny days.
Which is why averaging temperatures is as bogus a practice as one can participate in.

July 1, 2015 7:53 am

When I lived in Seattle in the late 1980s, they had never experienced 100 degrees F temperature there and bitterly complained if the summer got over 90 degrees. But they have hit 100+ at least a few times since then. That indicates warming to me, unless it is related to heat island effects at their measuring stations.

Brian in Leavenworth
Reply to  TBraunlich
July 1, 2015 9:01 am

Scott Sisek at KOMO published a blog entry a few years ago about old weather records for Seattle. In July 1870, they had a heat wave that was more impressive than 2009, with 3 of 4 days reaching over 100, and one day reaching 104. That temperature was taken without UHI and at 2PM, which would be a few hours before the actual maximum temperature would have hit.
So it is simply not true that Seattle had never hit 100 degrees. That had been true of the weather gage at Sea-Tac airport (until 2009), but those records don’t go back that far.

Michael 2
Reply to  TBraunlich
July 1, 2015 2:36 pm

The heat island effect is pronounced in parts of Seattle. Tall buildings, high density, tons of air conditioning. If the wind stops the heat piles up pretty bad.
I remember Leonard Nimoy coming to Seattle for a parade. That was rather long ago. I also remember it being unbearably hot that day. A bit of research turns up the SeaFair parade 1968 where he was the Grand Marshal.

Michael 2
Reply to  Michael 2
July 1, 2015 2:45 pm

Wolfram Alpha shows a high of 88 degrees for July 27, 1968; the day of SeaFair.
The important thing was that Leonard Nimoy was not “in character”, did not wear his pointy ears. I was very disappointed.

Reply to  TBraunlich
July 1, 2015 3:48 pm

well, it was an airport weather station, so …

Leon Brozyna
July 1, 2015 7:59 am

Such reasoning … such logic … such rationality … such, what do you call it? … oh yes, hate … so sad.

July 1, 2015 8:03 am

‘People in Pakistan are dying’ yes they are but more from blowing each other up I would imagine?

Reply to  Julian
July 1, 2015 9:00 am

The article I read mentioned during their holy days fast, water was forbidden. That is a recipe for disaster!

Just an engineer
Reply to  Glenn999
July 7, 2015 11:42 am

Yep, appears it’s religion causing the most death again.

Reply to  Julian
July 1, 2015 9:58 am

Note the genius Benno said Pakastan.
It’s so hot in Seattle, it’s causing heatstroke in Pakastan, where ever that is.

July 1, 2015 8:04 am

“Bringing climate change to a halt” ?

July 1, 2015 8:13 am

Weather happens. These people didn’t get the memo, apparently.

Reply to  RD
July 1, 2015 10:25 am

They plan to stop climate change, but they’re cool with the weather changing.
I’m not sure that plan has been fully fleshed out yet?

John Robertson
July 1, 2015 8:19 am

Here in Vancouver, BC (Canada) our maximum temperature for June 26 was 27C (81F) – a bit warmer than average, but not like 1942 when it hit 30 (88F).
Of course we have a lot of trees here in Vancouver (need a permit to take one down if over 1 foot in diameter – not that that stops everyone, but it helps) and whenever I visit Seattle (150 miles south) I am surprised by how few trees there are in the city…perhaps there is a connection? is a good place to visit if you want historical values calculated. I put in “Vancouver BC temperature june 1940 – 2015” and got this. No indication of any long term change in average June temperatures…
However I do notice that wolframalpha no longer calculates “record temperatures xxxcityxxx yyydateyyy” – it ignores the word ‘record’ or ignores ‘temperature’ and then gives you sports records. Seemed to me it used to calculate historical records more easily…but maybe you have to pay up to get more calculating power.

Reply to  John Robertson
July 1, 2015 10:59 am

The media seemed disappointed that this June was only the 4th driest on record;1958 was a warmer June here.

Reply to  Mick
July 1, 2015 11:18 am

A record of extreme weather in Canada Cold, Hot, Rain, Dry, Hurricanes, Tornadoes. Hottest temp ever recorded in Canada was on the Prairies. 1936 and 1937 extreme heat in the prairies reaching 45 C , people died or moved away.

Reply to  John Robertson
July 1, 2015 11:34 am

88F, a warmish winters day in Darwin.

Reply to  John Robertson
July 1, 2015 11:38 am

Your links didn’t work for me. When I put your search into I got memory exceeded and a link to sign up for more capability.
However, I just happen to have the 1937 to 2013 Environment Canada data for Vancouver International Airport on my computer. It hasn’t warmed. But it has gotten “less cold”. Probably UHI.

John Robertson
Reply to  Wayne Delbeke
July 1, 2015 2:10 pm

More runways too since 1937…roadways, airplanes…not too surprising it is a bit warmer. Check out the differences between Sea Island (where our airport is situated) from photos in 1950 and 2015

July 1, 2015 8:27 am

“…and hopefully we will bring climate change to a halt”

Benno implies Seattle climate should never change even up to the point some millions of years from now when the suns energy eliminates life on the planet. That is truly nuts, and how people think that is baffling.
But maybe he is only referring to human caused climate change. In that case I wish the more correct term “The Church of Human Caused Climate Change” is used since that more accurately defines the position.
Terms like “Stopping climate change” is completely nonsensical. It’s like having a slogan “Stop Fire” in order to stop fires due to negligence and crime. How such a stupid slogan has caught on should be a cornerstone of the monument of stupid.

Reply to  Alx
July 1, 2015 8:44 am

Asinine indeed.
Just like ‘Limiting global warming to 2 degrees C’.
This is the goal at The Paris Climate Shindig

David Chappell
Reply to  RobRoy
July 2, 2015 1:57 am

And “Zero Waste Day/Week/Month”. Biologically impossible.

Eugene WR Gallun
July 1, 2015 8:31 am

Alright, call me a hater if you will — but I notice a correlation between the language and thinking processes used in your examples and the language and thinking processes used by those who ride bicycles.
Eugene WR Gallun

Reply to  Eugene WR Gallun
July 1, 2015 10:16 am

Ah, but bicycle riders breakdown into about three classes: 1) the “entitled elite,” who ignore the rules of the road, actually violate city speed limits, and get angry at both pedestrians and vehicles (one has the right of way, the other will always win), generally recognizable by the amount of spandex they exhibit,2) the group who lost their drivers licenses and ride bicycles in the same condition they drove (recognizeable by an inability to follow a straight course more than five feet), and 3) a small minority of money-saving, fitness-building, sane commuters, who are aware of traffic laws and don’t ride as if they alone own the road.

Reply to  Duster
July 1, 2015 12:24 pm

By and large I’m in agreement with you, but there sadly is a fourth group – the dead.
Also I cannot believe that anyone who rides a bike in a large city is sane, haven;t you noticed that bike and vehicle owners are mutually invisible to each other?
Steve T

Reply to  Duster
July 1, 2015 3:59 pm

surely there’s another group: the climate changers who think they’re saving the world by riding a bike?

Reply to  Duster
July 1, 2015 6:12 pm

The fifth group like to wear spandex and sit around in coffee shops with their legs spread wide.

Pamela Gray
July 1, 2015 8:34 am

I wonder. The number of record temperatures is at least as likely a function of the age and onset of the mix of sensors, as it is a function of weather. As an idealized example, a new sensor in a new place and that is not “homogenized” to an old one it replaced, potentially sets a record every day in its second year of life.
I wonder what the correlation covariance would show when plotted against number of records and sensor age. I would also guess that sensor onset against temperature might show a connection. Along the Washington and Oregon coast it would likely be tied to an El Nino year.
Because of those thoughts, I simply don’t pay attention to records, or to the statistically illiterate. Just sayin.

Pamela Gray
Reply to  Pamela Gray
July 1, 2015 8:52 am

It is hard to find a decent understandable statistical explanation of how to determine that two variables (or more) of a series of observations may show a connection partially (or if you are lucky, wholly) explaining the observation trend.
This one might suffice.

Mike Smith
July 1, 2015 8:37 am

“… bring climate change to a half”?
I think we need to go further and… put an end to all bad stuff.
There, I reckon that makes me king of the castle of self-righteousness.

Pamela Gray
Reply to  Mike Smith
July 1, 2015 8:58 am

Excellent point. The hardiness brought on by hardship is a crucial part of survival. If all bad stuff were removed from our lives, the human race would vanish in short order. For those of the religious persuasion, could by why the Almighty allows the pain of suffering, leaving recovery up to chance and constitution.

Eugene WR Gallun
Reply to  Pamela Gray
July 1, 2015 5:16 pm

Mark Twain’s — The Man That Corrupted Hadleyburg — has much to say about self-proclaimed virtue. My Grandmother gave me a copy of “Mark Twain’s Collected Short Stories” when I was ten and that story has always stuck with me.
One of the major memes of Progressives is — Doing good by doing good. That means — doing good for yourself by doing good for others. In other words making lots of money by implementing programs that supposedly are good for people. Start up a green energy company, get big government subsidies, get rich. Such is considered to be — doing good by doing good.
Progressives believe that all that they do is good so they are entitled to make money off it. Corruption is justified by the good it does.
As to what i have translated in the Old Testament, God made the world to be a place of “change”. Both the good and the bad promote change. Ideally that change moves mankind towards God. The phrase — The meek shall inherit the earth — indicates that the move is away from violence towards harmony. The flood comes about because mankind (except for Noah) was changing wrongly, moving towards more violence. So God started over.
The fall of Adam and Eve is a mis-translation. The word is actually a term for pre-mature birth. In the Garden with Jesus as their teacher they would have been told how to gain heaven before they left it to enter the real world — but unfortunately they got kicked out before they were ready to learn that. Ergo mankind lives in ignorance about how to attain heaven until Christ arrives on earth.
I think I will stop. I am starting to boor myself.
Eugene WR Gallun

Jason Calley
Reply to  Mike Smith
July 1, 2015 11:21 am

Hey Mike! “I think we need to go further and… put an end to all bad stuff.”
Sounds like a great election slogan. “Vote for Smith and put an end to all bad stuff!”

July 1, 2015 8:39 am

Funny thing, strong rainstorms in CA, south of San Fran to LA and further south. Rainstorms in AZ. The blob of the “heat wave” seems to be from San Fran and above. Intellicast doesn’t have too bad an outlook for 10 days for Seattle. Fresno (CA) is taking it in the shorts for 10 days.. , but Phoenix has 4 days of rain for the next 10 and temperatures that are QUITE NORMAL for the 4th of July realm. …It’s a big country. And WEATHER is WEATHER!

Reply to  Max Hugoson
July 1, 2015 9:04 am

I recently gave up on Depending on when you check the long range forecast during the day, it would give a different forecast (two forecasts per day hoping one was right). Their high temp and chance of rain were always way off from the other forecasters for the area, and usually wrong.
Believe it or not, the has provided us with much more accurate daily forecasts.

Reply to  Glenn999
July 1, 2015 12:47 pm

Try weatherbell,com on saturdays for the long range outlook nationwide.

Reply to  Glenn999
July 1, 2015 12:50 pm

Screwed that up, here’s the link:

Reply to  Glenn999
July 1, 2015 3:14 pm

I use weatherbell for my long term forecast
I’ve been using a couple of other sources for dailies.
It rains/thunderstorms on a regular basis here in the summertime, so I have to keep up with regard to outdoor activities

July 1, 2015 8:50 am

California approves first statewide seawater desalination rules.

July 1, 2015 8:52 am

you say “prefers daily denigration from the comfort of anonymity even though she’s been known for quite some time.”
Is this a new meaning of anonymity?

Reply to  SergeiMK
July 1, 2015 9:12 am

Just what do you call anonymous? A quick search gives a post from 2014 where she admits her blog and her name. What more do you need; a DNA sample perhaps?!
Home / The New Idealist / Climate change is personal by Miriam O’Brien
Climate change is personal by Miriam O’Brien
Miriam O’Brien lives at the foothills of the Great Dividing Range in north-eastern Victoria, Australia. She blogs at HotWhopper, having a shot at people who reject climate science.
[she posts daily at hotwhopper without identification -mod]

July 1, 2015 8:56 am

Whenever I see temperature records breaking 70, 80….100 years old by a degree or two, it makes me realize these high temps are nothing new. They are cyclical.

Doug S
July 1, 2015 9:01 am

Oh yes, this is common dialog here in the San Francisco Bay Area for our local “progressives”. Most of the time you’ll find these people to be very sad and depressed individuals. It seems as though they have severe self esteem issues and project their unhappiness out onto the rest of the world.

Reply to  Doug S
July 1, 2015 9:10 am

Naturally, these unfortunates would adopt a belief that validates their depression, Gives it reason.

Paul Westhaver
July 1, 2015 9:20 am

Marco Zacks emailed from somewhere northwest of Hackensack New Jersey. Oddly he used my domain. How’d he do that?

Henry Bowman
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
July 1, 2015 9:25 am

Spoofing an email address is one of the easiest things to do—all you need is an SMTP server.

Leo Smth
Reply to  Henry Bowman
July 1, 2015 10:47 pm

You don’t even need that.
Many SMTP relays will accept any from address as long as you are e.g. within their legitimate catchment area of source IP addresses or have some valid login credentials.

David Chappell
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
July 2, 2015 2:52 am

Flamingjohnny2 claims to live near Seattle but is using an ISP in Spokane. Curious, but not impossible I guess.

Henry Bowman
July 1, 2015 9:24 am

I’m sure that progressive cities such as Seattle would never permit any possible Urban Heat Island effect to be present near the city.

John Smith
July 1, 2015 9:33 am

when climate change is halted
could it please be early spring Northern Hemisphere?
that’s my favorite
or anything flip flop appropriate but not too hot
thank you

Joel O’Bryan
July 1, 2015 9:35 am

Its all weather. My 76yr old father lives in Central Texas. He tells me they’ve yet to break 100F this year. He has never seen it so cool in Texas summer.
Meridonal flow vs zonal patterns. Probably nothing nature hasn’t done many many times in the Holocene. Human records and memories are too short to not think we are always living in exceptional times. Lake Wobegone comes to mind.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
July 1, 2015 5:59 pm

I think that the heavy rains experienced in Texas and Oklahoma this Spring have kept temps cooler as the land dries. This is just a guess on my part.

July 1, 2015 10:06 am

“…you’re over here hopping around and farting…”
I think that requires a pause between hops but I’m not sure. A study is due. With graphs, of course.

Reply to  yam
July 1, 2015 10:35 am

“I think that requires a pause between hops but I’m not sure”
crop dusting is a well know phenomenon, not sure hopping would be advisable without plenty of practice?

HGW xx/7
Reply to  yam
July 1, 2015 10:38 am

…and grants! Don’t forget them! After all methane contributes to global weirding.

david smith
Reply to  yam
July 1, 2015 11:46 am

Perhaps we could model it…

July 1, 2015 10:23 am

Nobody in Washington state makes reference to kangaroo shit, or “hopping around”. I guarantee we have an Aussie here who is so concerned about anonymity that they won’t even reveal the global hemisphere in which they reside. I can understand why they wouldn’t want it known they live in Australia where they have recently been breaking LOW temperature records.

July 1, 2015 11:04 am

And while you know Anthony it’s been a scorcher here in Chico and Redding, I haven’t seen the week-long 110+ temperatures I remember from years back in quite a while.

July 1, 2015 11:06 am

ROFL, this article has me hopping around and farting!

Reply to  RWturner
July 1, 2015 12:15 pm

Let’s be civil, and use HAAF.

Mike from the Carson Valley on the cold side of the Sierra
Reply to  RWturner
July 1, 2015 12:37 pm

This is a normal condition for people in my age bracket, at least the nonhopping part. Occasionally I resort to using a cane to assist in the hopping part not the other.

July 1, 2015 11:06 am

I think flamingjohnny2 needs to be read the way one would read Molly Bloom’s soliloquy. Viewed from that perspective, it’s rather interesting. For example the transition from the first sentence to a quote whose point of reference I find intriguingly ambiguous. Then a quick shift and a pause to look around the immediate locale, before veering off to “Pakastan”. (Where is that, by the way, is that a country?) Then another quote, whose context is more clearly demarcated than the earlier one, followed by some sage reflections, and so on.
I don’t know, maybe there’s even a talent of sorts on display here – or maybe just some pointers for a summer AI project.

July 1, 2015 11:16 am

It may have been a record “hot” day in Washington but I think if you take a look at historical data for Washington in July, you will find a lot of temperatures well over 100. I was born a few hundred metres north of the Washington State Border in Grand Forks, BC. That whole are of BC and Washington frequently get temperatures of over 100 degrees F. Grand Forks hit around 108 degrees in July of 1941, 104 in 2006 and 100 several times in between based on downloaded Environment Canada data (converted to F). The Washington desert to the south is almost always much warmer. Not surprising to get a hot pavement melting day in June for people who have lived in the area.

July 1, 2015 11:18 am

I see longstanding records broken at several airports in the list. maybe ones that haven’t messed about with their weather station sites?

July 1, 2015 11:22 am

Flaming Johnny, who claims to live near Seattle, doesn’t know what a Seattle is. For the benefit of the Flaming Johnnys out there, who have never been within 3000 miles of Seattle, let me explain the geography of Washington State. There’s a western temperate area, a mountain range running north and south, and an eastern desert. Seattle is in the western temperate area. The mountains include Rainier, at over 14,000 feet. The eastern desert is a completely different climate. The readings in excess of 100 are all in the east. No, Seattle never got to 100, nor anywhere else in the west.
Johnny really has a grasp on climates, doesn’t he?

Gary Pearse
July 1, 2015 11:24 am

You can see Flaming Johnny has mastered the Dem’s “Common Core Standards”. I note a bit of geographic acumen in use of kangaroo shit.
Marco Zacks, too seems to have a grasp of science and recycling.

July 1, 2015 11:30 am

Wow! The goofball from Seattle should have been at my farm in 2012 when the low temps were in the 90’s and daytime highs were around 110F. All that time he was enjoying normality along with my older sister and several cousins who live out there. I was screaming the same chant that the warming was out of control and my dad gave me a lesson on the 1930’s, 1950’s and reminded me of one summer in the early ’60’s when 100 degrees plus was a multi-week event and we had no air conditioning in a brick ranch house.
Now, the ‘ridiculously resilient’ ridge is in place over that part of this globe and the uninformed turn to the doomsaying media for information. Authority from consensus brings them assurance of eventual incineration by greenhouse gasses, backed by the presidential seal. We are going the way Venus went (per the greenhouse theory) and we are at fault.
If these people learn the real facts they will see that their situation is not unprecedented and it is also not permanent. They will eventually see too much rain as we in the midwest are experiencing presently. Read The Good Earth by Pearl S. Buck and become aware of the cycles of everything.

July 1, 2015 11:39 am

May I remind the folks in droughted areas that they have comfort in the fact that 400ppm CO2 will benefit the flora by requiring less moisture to survive than during previous dry spells.

July 1, 2015 11:41 am

“cite it as ‘proof’ of climate change.”
As well it should be.
Is it not settled that temperatures warmed, on average, over the last century, and would have done so (albeit to a much lesser degree) without human assistance? And are we not incessantly warned that the human contribution ensures an increase in extreme weather?
If both are true, shouldn’t far more high temperature records be broken on a regular basis?
I looked at Spokane’s temperature record from 1890–2014, which is extraordinarily complete:comment image
Hmm. Where are the extremes? Hottest year, on average, was 1934 at 53°F, coldest was 1985 at 44°F. “Hottest year” 2014 was 47°F. The overall trend is cooler, at -0.102°F/decade.
Extreme high temperature recorded at this station was 108°F in 1928 and 1961. The trend in extreme high temperatures over 125 years is -0.065°F/decade.
Is Spokane a climate change denier?

HGW xx/7
Reply to  verdeviewer
July 1, 2015 11:58 am

Beautiful comment. 🙂 The city in my heart is also home to plenty of my skeptical friends. No surprise that its weather archives would be a thorn in the side of warmists.
Bless the Lilac City.

July 1, 2015 12:06 pm

Leon Brozyna:
“Such reasoning … such logic … such rationality … such, what do you call it? … oh yes, hate … so sad.”
So human. That’s what peons do, also called pawns, or in Medieval Latin ‘pedonem’ meaning ‘foot soldier’. Did the guys in the trenches in the Great War argue philosophy and politics? I think not. Nor in any other war. Did the Brown Shirts try to convince you by logic?, the Red Guard?, the ISIL?, the KKK?
No, their tools were force and hate and mobs. (“Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms—oh damn!”)
After the French Revolution, the noble cause turned into The Terror, somewhat of a setback for The Enlightenment and The Age of Reason. We might be poised on the brink of a new apocalypse, not caused by carbon dioxide, a new dark age. So far it’s less bloody on the western front, since Twitter can replace the guillotine. Not so much on the eastern front, since swords and knives still rule.
There are several versions of the story of how Archimedes died, killed by a foot soldier, but the one by Alfred North Whitehead is particularly interesting:

July 1, 2015 12:13 pm

Shorter Johnny:
It’s hot in Death Valley, therefore record temperatures near San Fransisco.

Tom J
July 1, 2015 12:42 pm

I think it’s highly inappropriate to call people names despite how appropriate we may think that derogatory name we called them is. In reality it’s just a spychological projection and the individual doesn’t really match the description we give them.
I learned this many years ago when I was at a college picnic at a forest preserve, and one of the more dour young coeds referred to the young men, zipping around on their motorcycles, as mounted on their “chrome penises.”
And, I thought to myself; ‘What a ridiculous analogy.’ First of all, there really is no such thing as a “chrome penis”
– um, well maybe at the Gay Pride Parade. Ok, so let’s skip that argument and allow me to continue.
Anyway, a motorcycle is a mechanical, technological thing whereas a penis is a biological thing. A motorcycle rolls around on tires made of … uh, rubber.
Ok, skip that too.
Anyway, a motorcycle engine has throbbing pistons.
Um, completely disregard that example; completely forget I wrote it; pretend I never did, and let me continue.
A motorcycle engine operates on heat energy. Uh, blow that off too. I’ll get this right.
Anyway, a motorcycle has a pair of saddlebags.
Ok, I failed. I admit it. A 97% consensus of reasonable people recognize I thoroughly defeated my own argument. Maybe our money grubbing, human hating, control freak, warmistas really are money grubbing …

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Tom J
July 1, 2015 12:53 pm

What, have you been out bar hopping with P J O’Rourke?

Tom J
Reply to  Alan Robertson
July 1, 2015 4:25 pm

Don’t I wish!

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Alan Robertson
July 1, 2015 6:11 pm

You guys would end up in the pokey, for sure. You’d be smartin’ off and wisecrackin’ all over the place and pretty soon, some sorehead would get a case and the fistfight would escalate up and down the street- cops, batons, paddy wagons- I can just picture it.
No, wait- that was then, not now. It would be tear gas, assault rifles and SWAT pouring out of an MRAP.
Dang. Bummed myself out and it started out as so much fun.

Mike from the Carson Valley on the cold side of the Sierra
July 1, 2015 12:50 pm

I look forward to the day that the non-deniers bring climate change to a halt. I trust that we will get a perfect late spring day on that occasion.

July 1, 2015 1:18 pm

I’ll bet Johnny has also signed on to the “Ban DiHydrogen Monoxide” petition as well. I mean, it doesn’t take a genius, or even an educated person, to know that that stuff is in everything!
I did however, think “associates degree in cash registering” was quite funny.

Ian Macdonald
Reply to  katherine009
July 1, 2015 2:13 pm

I’d be more concerned about the hydride of oxygen, which is often sold as a lower-priced equivalent. Ask any chemist, oxides are fairly stable whilst hydrides can be very reactive.

Evan Jones
Reply to  katherine009
July 1, 2015 4:38 pm

It’s not DiHydrogen Monoxide that’s the danger. It’s that darn OxyDiHydride.

Gunga Din
July 1, 2015 1:21 pm

Interestingly, the recent official record reports for Seattle are nowhere near 106 degrees:

It might be interesting to enter the address that list came from into TheWayBackMachine to see if maybe his fear of “Man-Made Climate Change” might be valid (sort of). 😎

July 1, 2015 2:03 pm

I love the line, “If you’re going to believe politicians over scientists, then you probably don’t care too much for you kids’ and grandkids’ generation.” Talk about cognitive dissonance…I’m going to venture a guess that Johnny is a big supporter of Medicare and Social Security.

July 1, 2015 2:13 pm

I recently discovered that a comment of mine had been “hotwhoppered”.
Since the quote on hotwhopper was a single sentence excerpt and removed from the context of the rest of the post, and also freed from the context and good humor of the thread in which it was posted, it certainly did look pretty meaningless.
I consider it a compliment however and a badge of honour.
It was even more of a compliment to realize that Ms Hotwhopper perceived that it would be necessary to edit my post, in order to prevent any hotwhopper readers from perceiving that I may actually have had a reasonable or amusing point.
Just one question though: What kind of moron commits her life to blogging at length about the comments left in the comments section of another blog?
What’s up with that? Blogging about comments on another blog? There’s something extraordinarily desperate and tedious about that, isn’t there?
“Welcome to Hot Whopper. Look at me. Aren’t I a big clever clogs. Today I found a comment on an internet blog which contains a sentence which when removed from context looks like it may have little valid substance.” (satire)
She obviously isn’t all too concerned about wasting time and electricity.

Michael 2
Reply to  indefatigablefrog
July 1, 2015 3:14 pm

Followed by a blog inspired by her blog which in turn is inspired by this one which mentions that one.
WUWT is where most stories originate so there’s no point in looking at the “cascade”.

Reply to  indefatigablefrog
July 1, 2015 5:56 pm

“Just one question though: What kind of moron commits her life to blogging at length about the comments left in the comments section of another blog?”
Hey I kinda resent that since I made the “grade”:
Sure enough, a conspiracy theorist took the bait. BFL saying “who really knows for sure…”:
February 1, 2015 at 10:41 am
It’s not that the moon landings were actually faked, but that the government would have been fully and immorally capable of doing it if they had decided too. That knowledge makes it all too easy to believe many of the “supposedly” loony conspiracy theories because who really knows for sure…….
The discussion devolves from here on in, if you can try to imagine that.
Apparently she believes that the U.S. (and possibly all other western governments) are completely above that sort of thing:

July 1, 2015 2:45 pm

I love getting abuse on Facebook comments. Allowing people to vent their anger is the first step to changing their opinion. Mind you, I am particularly thick skinned and never go beyond a friendly tease in response.

Reply to  wickedwenchfan
July 1, 2015 3:20 pm

the only way to adequately illustrate the absurd,
is with absurdity.

Reply to  wickedwenchfan
July 2, 2015 3:44 am

And I love witnessing the honest shock expressed by the very rare “concerned but honest”, when they encounter a simple statement of truth, such as “sea level rise only … per decade and not accelerating”, or “longest period of zero cat 3 hurricane landfalls since…”, or “highest range of Antartic sea ice since start of reliable satellite measurement”. etc.
Rarely. Very rarely a person who has been sucked into the alarmist vortex will first dismiss such a statement, then think that reference to the “data” will allow them to prove you are totally wrong, then check some real stats, and then they return will an apology for the earlier flaming dismissal and an articulate demonstration of their total astonishment.
Oh wait. No, that only ever happened to me once.
But, hey, that’s one less alarmotard in the world today!!

Steve from Rockwood
July 1, 2015 3:36 pm

I would call it “fan” mail and publish more of it. What an easy high road. Plus FlamingJonny is funny in a kind of “you don’t really think like that, do you” kind of way.
A colleague of mine just came back from the Ungava Peninsula. Up to 3′ of snow in places (on June 27th). The local Inuit helpers say its been awhile since that happened. Just weather. Perhaps we could crowd-source a trip there for clueless in Seattle.

July 1, 2015 3:52 pm

Congratulations to A Watts for living rent free inside Sou’s head.
Miriam constantly monitors this blog and regularly selects & logs comments as evidence of something.
Hullo Miriam, darling!
Keep up the stellar work and pick me.
And if Sou or her readers would like to make fun of my name, remember, there is no second prize.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  handjive
July 1, 2015 6:17 pm

Willie, is that you?

Reply to  Alan Robertson
July 2, 2015 3:15 pm

Hi Alan.
“The doctor, lawyer & Indian chief, they all dig that crazy beat”.
Thanks for posting the video.

Kevin Kane
July 1, 2015 4:26 pm

Surely all these Washington cities, towns etc have grown considerably since their previous temperature records. Would this not create more Urban heat Island effect.? Temperature sensors connected to buildings? Are they all one and two rated stations?

Evan Jones
Reply to  Kevin Kane
July 1, 2015 4:42 pm

Are they all one and two rated stations?
The Class 1\2 rated stations for the NW region (WA, ID, OR) show much lower trends than the Class 3\4\5s.

July 1, 2015 7:08 pm

NE, KS, OK and TX agreed and sent their hell to those idiots out west…
finally some long term relief…
pretty mild here over the last few summers since the shipments began…
no more 60 day strings of 104F+ every frik’n day.
Hope y’all have some fun in our ‘sun’ out west, returns will be rejected, all shipments final. 😉

Two Labs
July 1, 2015 9:11 pm

So, let me get this straight: there have been no overall record temperatures in WA since 1959?

David Cage
July 1, 2015 11:59 pm

There are other reasons to believe that higher temperatures were common than are officially recorded.
Here in the UK a gardener in his book “Directions for the gardiner and other horticultural advice”, and no gardiner is not a mistype it is how he spelt it being a contemporary of Samuel Pepys, talks of growing salads all year outside.
Using the same method requires considerably higher temperatures than we have now.

July 2, 2015 1:50 am

Not 106 degrees, but the point is, it was a real scorcher! Esp. after spending 9 months in the dark in the rain.
Vitamin D deficiencies from inadequate exposure to sunlight is mentally debilitating for some, as you can see..

July 2, 2015 6:51 am

Climate Alarmists can get very unhinged. When reading their comments one can imagine their heads exploding. I am reminded of one of my all time favorite rants on You Tube: Earl Weaver and the balk call from I believe the 1981 season. It is classic. Just go to you tube and search Earl Weaver, umpire, rage .

July 2, 2015 7:49 am

Oh yes and you need a few swear words to set you point… just use stupid. Works better.
Sleepless In SLC

July 2, 2015 10:17 am

I’d love to use my real name to comment. Unfortunately I have family/friends who work in fields where what I may say online about Climate Change could seriously impact them.
Having listened to stories about co-workers calling for dismissal, not because the work that offended them was wrong, but because they didn’t like it I can’t bring myself to use my real name when the consequences of whatever I say (even if I stick to my fields of knowledge) may come back to bite someone else.

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