Damn you Microsoft! How to remove the Windows 10 'free upgrade' icon

From the don’t force shit on me I don’t want and prevent me from saying NO department.

Forgive my off-topic rant, but this will be useful for others having this same problem. One of the things I hate about Microsoft recently is the idea that Windows 8, 8.1, and the upcoming Windows 10 is the greatest thing since sliced bread. If you own a Windows based tablet, or a Windows phone, it probably is (I own a Windows 8 based tablet, and I’m able to use it just fine, because Windows 8.1 is a touch based operating system).

But a problem occurs with Windows 8, 8.1, and the upcoming Windows 10 as a desktop operating system. IMHO, it’s mostly useless as a desktop OS and gets in the way of working as I am accustomed to. I use a mouse and keyboard, with a 27″ monitor, not a touchscreen. I use Windows 7 because it works, is stable, and defensible from malware.

Imagine my surprise after recently doing “Microsoft Update” and I get this icon in my system tray:

windows-10-upgrade-iconClicking it gives you this advertisement:

windows-10-upgrade-dialogOK, I can forgive them for offering this free upgrade, but what I CAN’T forgive Microsoft for is the inability to ever opt-out of being notified about this. Why?

  1. You can’t remove the icon from the system tray easily,
  2. You can’t make it go away after “reserving” a copy of Windows 10,
  3. Average users can’t get rid of the notification process that’s running in the background called “gwx.exe” easily. It saps CPU and memory resources just so it can keep reminding you about Windows 10 and calling home to find out if Windows 10 is available yet,
  4. This advertisement was a “stealth” upgrade. It is almost like a Trojan in my opinion.

Sorry Microsoft, this isn’t cool, and if I don’t want to bastardize my desktop experience with an operating system designed with a tablet/phone user touch interface, I shouldn’t have to put up with continual reminders. Since this has done nothing but piss me off, it’s marketing FAIL as far as I’m concerned.

This sticky nature of this upgrade notice is by design, the average user of Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 that doesn’t have savvy skills won’t be able to make this go away, so I’m here to help with a simple solution:

Get rid of the Windows Update that creates the problem!

Here’s what it is, from Windows Update:

Update enables additional capabilities for Windows Update notifications in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 SP1

This update enables additional capabilities for Windows Update notifications when new updates are available to the user. It applies to a computer that is running Windows 8.1 or Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1). Before you install this update, check out the Prerequisites section.

Source: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583

Note that they don’t really tell you what you’ll actually be getting, hence my opinion that it’s like a Trojan horse.

So, here’s how to get rid of the damned thing:

1. Go to Control Panel > Programs > Programs and Features > Installed Updates

2. Put KB3035583 into the search box in the upper right of the dialog as shown below, press ENTER to search for it

windows-10-search-update

3. Click on the “update for Microsoft Windows (KB3035583)” to highlight it, then click “Uninstall” as show below.

uninstall-windows10-reminder

4. Unfortunately, you’ll have to Restart your computer.

5. Enjoy a hassle free desktop experience from now on.

By the way if you already have Windows 8 or 8.1 and you hate the fact that you are running a tablet/phone touch based operating system on your desktop, and you wish it would run like Windows 7, I have a solution for that too:

Classic Shell™ is free software that improves your productivity, enhances the usability of Windows and empowers you to use the computer the way you like it. The main features are:

  • Highly customizable start menu with multiple styles and skins
  • Quick access to recent, frequently-used, or pinned programs
  • Find programs, settings, files and documents
  • Start button for Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10
  • Toolbar and status bar for Windows Explorer
  • Caption and status bar for Internet Explorer

Classic Shell has been in active development for 5 years and has over 25 million downloads.

Get it free here: http://classicshell.net/

In my opinion, Microsoft has erred greatly in trying to foist a tablet/phone touch based OS on desktop users. They should have allowed for some sort of retro experience in the GUI for people that want to use a desktop like they always have. Windows 8, 8.1, and 10 have speed and security enhancements, but they come at the cost of running a touch based OS on your desktop when you really don’t want a touch based OS on your existing machine.

Boneheads.

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Robert of Ottawa

Hey I still use Windows XP when I can. Either that or a version of Linux.

Crabby

G’Day Robert, have you tried Puppy Gnu/Linux? It is a bootable CD or DVD and works well on my 6 yo Toshiba Satellite Pro. Happy Trails.

beng135

I’ve got Puppy linux dual booted w/Win 7 — posting from it now. Win 7 is still the “main” OS, but linux programming comments are documented in the script files that give oppurtunities to tinker with.
Getting it dual-booted was a bit risky, but combining several methods got it going.

Dan Hawkins

@Beng135 — my hat’s off to you. I too have dual boot Puppy/Win7, but most of the time Puppy just hangs during boot. When it does work, I have no idea why, or why not. I am using Grub4Dos.

beng135

Dan, I had issues getting the dual-boot to work (first reboot windows disappeared!). Seems no single method got it to work, but a combo did. Look at below site:
https://www.iceflatline.com/2009/09/how-to-dual-boot-windows-7-and-linux-using-bcdedit/
That uses isolinux.bin copied to C: to act as a bootloader for linux. That worked, but Grub had no functionality in its “advanced mode” that appears after choosing linux (OK, just an irritant instead of a real problem). Experimenting, I used EasyBCD to make another boot option using legacy Grub that installs C:\NST\nst_linux.mbr. I had attempted that and failed before, but after using the isolinux method, the EasyBCD entry now worked! Not sure why — perhaps had something to do the isolinux method marking the linux partition as “active” (NOT BOOT!).

Depends on the applications one needs, and the support one needs.
In the past, Windows has had most technical applications for many people, Linux has had ones in software design and perhaps data analysis, Apple in graphics work.
I worked in development of high-integrity products when every SW engineer had two computers on their desk – one running Windows and one running Linux.

I do too, I experimented with more recent versions and always went back to good old XP.

Reality Observer

Thank you, guys. I don’t feel so lonely now…

Björn from sweden

I use Linux mint, windows only in virtualbox.
Windows drives me insane.

Björn from sweden

Oh, and if you would like to try:
http://distrowatch.com/

cnxtim

Sorry B methinks you must have already been more than a little psychotic before MS.

beng135

http://distrowatch.com/
Thanks, Bjorn, that’s a very convenient site. I still have some leftover space on my harddrive for another linux distro to try. Already tried Mint 14 & Ubuntu, but they were slower than windows 7 or puppy-linux.

Linux rules!

Steve P

You can also run Mint and other flavors of Linux from a live USB stick with persistence enabled. Not so long ago we booted from Linux CD/DVD. Now, with bigger and bigger USB sticks, it may be possible to forego partitioning the hard drive, so you may have your cake, and eat it too.

Linux Mint is the most user friendly Distro that is the closest to Windows in form and function. However, you are severely limiting yourself with the amount of applications available and VirtualBox is not a solution IMO.

Climate Heretic

Fedora 16, 17, 18, 19,20, 21 & 22 user here. With Windows XP and Windows 7 on the side for emergencies. I’m putting my relatives slowly onto linux 🙂
Regards
Climate Heretic

Yep, they can pry my XP out of my cold dead hands !!!

https://securelist.com/analysis/kaspersky-security-bulletin/68052/kaspersky-security-bulletin-2014-malware-evolution/
“Sadly, there are still a lot of people running Windows XP – our data suggests that Windows XP accounts for around 18% of infections. This is a lot of people wide open to attack now that security patches have dried up. Effectively, every vulnerability discovered since April is a zero-day vulnerability – that is, one for which there is no chance of a patch.”
I would strongly suggest that if you are still using XP, that you never use it to connect to a network — especially not one that is also connected to the Internet.

Well, I’m not one of the 18%.

Steve P

unknown502756 June 3, 2015 at 12:46 pm
“Windows XP accounts for around 18% of infections.”
That’s especially frightening when one considers the following:

… And the number of users of Windows XP—whose share had plunged to 13.57 percent last November—are (sic) back up to 18.93 percent of the total…”

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2878774/windows-7-and-windows-xp-show-no-signs-of-dying.html
What Matthew said…

Steve P

To be fair, this outfit shows XP at c11% a/o 3/2015:
http://www.statista.com/statistics/218089/global-market-share-of-windows-7/

Just to be clear:
I’m not trying to ‘pry XP out of .. cold dead hands’ …
However, if anyone is still using XP to connect to the Internet, this is very foolish. Today’s Internet criminals are not yesterday’s ‘War Games’ fan hacker crowd. Today’s Internet criminals are state paid experts and will install malware and bot your unpatchable XP machine as soon as someone finds it… since most of us are still using IPv4, that means a few hours… not a joke.
And Matthew W… you wouldn’t even know it, since there would be no way to detect the intrusion.

That is the correct solution. Install Linux.

That is not a good idea Windows XP is not supported by Microsoft anymore and is not receiving any security updates.

Please do not use windows XP for anything that involves money and the Internet. E.g. online banking, paypal or even buying stuff where you enter a credit card. Why? because Win XP can be infected in seconds if you get the wrong ad in your browser and YOU CANNOT PATCH IT TO STOP THIS and no AV can stop it either. Once it is infected with any one of half a dozen strains of banker malware you’ll likely end up giving your passwords to the criminals when you login to your bank and so on.

SDGengineer

I like Peppermint Linux, a Ubuntu based Distro that runs well on older PCs and laptops. “Mint” is good too

Latitude

THANK YOU!

Michael D

Anthony, I just went through the same process yesterday.

I am using Windows 8.1 64-bit on my desktop and it can be configured to run with a keyboard and mouse.

Incunabulum

Its not so much that you can’t use it with M/KB but that the UI ‘panels’ is [snip] to use on a desktop. There’s just a ton of mouse movement from one side of the screen to the other that is unnecessary and is only there because of the tiling (instead of listing).
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/06/28

Arsten

incunabulum, there are a lot of issues with Windows 8, but Windows 8.1 created a fairly large improvement in the keyboard and mouse department. I can’t tell my 7 / 8.1 computers interfaces apart, except when I go to the start menu, where it’s in a list format that’s big enough to punch with a finger (and not the tile format, which you can swap between).
I will admit that I’m lucky, though. I muscle-memory my applications so that I launch almost all of them with +first three letters and don’t even use the mouse. 🙂
Windows 10 makes the distinction between touch and keyboard/mouse better, as I have been using the previews for unimportant things.
The icon, as far as I understand it, is there because it will download the large (~5GB) over the next month so that everyone can get a copy of Windows 10 on the release day without destroying the content servers at Microsoft. When it installed and first ran on my computer, I noticed it was accessing BITS.

Jimmy Haigh

I’m considering ditching windows and moving over to Apple…

I know people who’ve done that. Lots of regrets.

None for me. I switched in 1998 and haven’t looked back since. When I have to run a windows only program ( very few ), I run VM Ware Fusion and Windows XP. I do not go on the internet from windows and get along quite well. And no, I’m not an Apple Luddite running OS 7.3.
Having said all that, Apple has delusions of control and omniscience, just like Windows. I just find work arounds for the most egregious intrusions and stupidity from those who think they know more about how I want to use my computer than I do.
pbh

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley

My ipad uses Safari, which is wayyyy slower than Firefox. I have given up on my ipad now, and use my laptop instead (when I am away from my Windows 7 PC) which runs Windows 7. Whenever I use my wife’s ipad (and Safari) I find it infuriating – that damn blue bar and the stupid gear turning. A mouse is so much easier too.

Philip Peake

I wonder why?
My experience, and that of all the people I know that have made the change, is that there isn’t enough money in the world to persuade them to go back to Windows.
VMWare Fusion is relatively cheap, and allows you to run Linux and Windows VMs.
There is also a tool that comes with it to create an image from your existing Windows system that you can run under VMWare. I tested tis on my old XP laptop. It runs faster on the Mac/VMWare combination than it ever did on its native hardware.
I never use that any more, I have a Windows 7 VM that I use for things for which there is no Mac equivalent (getting more and more rare).

This is being typed on an Android tablet that has become my major browser. My daily driver for typing and posting is a Chromebox. I am very happy with both.
The spouse, 2 kids ( in their 20s…), niece and her Mom all use Macs and would never think of using Micro$oft unless required by management that is a bit slow…
I have 2 PCs with Windoze on them that will never be upgaded (one w7 and the other XP Pro IIRC). They sit mostly unused for weeks on end. Mostly kept just for legacy data access…
I also have dual boot Linux on one of them and use Puppy Linux (or several others) to boot the other one for internet use. Mix of CD, DVD, and USB Thumb drive Linux versions for various uses. (Hard to get more secure than a fresh boot of a Read Only operating system…).
I have near zero use of or need for Microsoft and will never look back.
While I would buy a Mac if I had the kilobuck… I find the Chrome fine for things I don’t mind being shared with Google (and through them via PRISM program, the Feds), while the tablet is addictive for mobile or couch potato use. In those few time I want security for internet things (security beyond just not being hacked) a quick Linux boot gives me a hardened environment. All up about $600 spent on the whole lot.
Splitting use types across machines also enforces a kind of air gap security between use domains that is impossible to break.
Oh and a $35 Raspberry Pi provides things like local DNS cache, time server, and serves about 30 GB of bittorent files. I can reflash that system from a stored copy as desired.
Microsoft? Just say no.

Streetcred

If the useless iPhone that management foisted upon me in lieu of my Android Samsung is anything to go by … iApple? I’d rather use a banana.

I have both, and I don’t really understand what the fuss is about. The differences are marginal in my opinion.

Amatør1

I have 2 desktops and 2×24″ screens. One desktop running Linux Kubuntu and the other desktop running Win7. I have a single keyboard and mouse shared on the two systems using synergy software (a version from before they started to charge), it is very convenient.
Now I got the Win10 thing thrown on me, just like Anthony explains. I have been preparing to phase out Windows over a number of years and I can manage just fine with Linux only. Maybe this is the final blow.
If Microsoft messes up my Windows box in a way I am not entirely happy with, I can simply erase Windows and go for Linux only. It isn’t unrealistic that it will happen, since I have converted to using open source programs for quite some time already.
I expect Microsoft have some spyware in there, which makes it even more tempting to finally erase Windows for good.

Amatør1

Btw., I am posting from Linux 🙂

Tried microsoft twenty years ago and gave up, apple tends to be a bit more honest in their dealings, and gives no pain, thus all my stuff is apple. I also like apple pie and ice-cream.

commieBob

My solution is to not use any Microsoft product.
Apple products work well. My 90+ yr. old mother uses a Mac with little trouble.
I use Linux. The beauty thing about Linux is that you can choose your user interface. That means you don’t have to learn a bunch of new stuff every time you upgrade your system. With Windows it’s like: OK now the steering wheel is in the back seat and the brake pedal is in the trunk. Oh and you have to open the glove compartment to get at the rear view mirror.

H.R.

Good description of new Windows versions, commiebob.

Robert of Ottawa

And don’t forget the Microsoft salute ctrl-alt-del

Richard Mallett

That (along with the BSOD, UAE, GPF) is really a distant memory.

Juan Slayton

And “start” to end the session….

Duster

One of the sad aspects I have noted emerging in Linux is that apparently Windows programmers are beginning to emigrate to Linux. It is not too unusual any more to have Linux notify you that the system has to be rebooted following updates. That is strictly a Windows practice and properly done Linux should never require a reboot unless you are installing a new distribution. For years I ran my Linux systems continuously for months at a time with ever needing to restart them aside from when I replaced the distribution entirely.

Harold

I noticed that, too. Sux.

Harold

When Ubuntu wend from 12.04 to 12.10, they moved everything. The went tablet format. That was the last time I tried regular Ubuntu (though derivatives like Mint are still good).

Ditch Windows for Mac. Problem solved. Shame on Microsoft for forcing a mobile OS on everyone. Your computer’s stink, Mr. Gates.

Servius

Mr. Gates doesn’t make computers. He makes software.

Lauren R.

Actually Gates does neither. He does philanthropic work full time now. Satya Nadella runs the company.

Actually Lauren, Bill Gates is back at Microsoft working something like 1 / 4 full time. Before Satya Nadella, Ballmer was CEO.
I have been using a Microsoft Surface Pro for almost 2 years now. I connect it up to a USB 3 Workstation device and have 3 external monitors to help me develop code. I am working now on climate software that I will only be providing to Windows 10 devices. So ya better upgrade to 10. I’m not going to sprinkle :

#if (!(NETFX_CORE || WINDOWS_PHONE))
throw new NotImplementedException();
#endif

throughout my code.

ExArdingJas

Yes – as Anthony says Microsoft do make computers now. I have a Surface 3 Pro and it is the best/most useable personal computer I have ever owned. I can run all the legacy software that I need including Solidworks CAD which doesn’t run on Linux or Macintosh – and would be a dog in a virtual machine because it needs direct access to the hardware. It is easy to make Win 8.0 look and operate like Win 7. It boots faster than any earlier Windows versions is more secure etc etc. Anyone who is still using XP is living in a dream (probably a nightmare).
I support (usually pro-bono) many seniors on a range of platforms – it is horses for courses. If you think people have no problems with Macs then you are soft in the head. There is no way I would support most of my users on Linux or Open Source – have tried but usually ends in disaster.
I am just waiting for the worm that gets through the Apple Store and takes over all the iThingys out there. IOS is a joke of an operating system as far security is concerned. Android has the opposite problem – it is sitting in a pool of sharks with little protection for naïve users – not to mention the forking problem. Pick your poison they all have problems.
It bemuses me that US citizens love to slate Microsoft and Bill Gates (who no longer “runs” MS) – you would think that they would have some understanding that that is where a significant slice of their export income comes from (read wealth, pensions, health services, etc).

Jerry Howard

Amen! When I got my first MAC, I called my “computer guru” and complained that there was no user manual.
His answer, “You don’t need one. If you want to do something, just think, ‘How would I like to be able to do it’ and then do that. It will work.”
He was right.

H.R.

Whoa! You don’t countenance the S-word here at WUWT except for can’t-really-grab-a-better-term-than-that situations, Anthony.
When I saw that up front in your article, I knew Windows 10 must have really jumped the shark.
Thanks for the sneak preview of the fun that I’ll be having. (Or not!) Maybe it’s finally time to close the Windows and go elsewhere.

Mike McMillan

But it’s free!
(Merci.)

jdgalt

I suspect that MicroSoft has now had its Richard Stallman “enlightenment” and intends to make all its future income from paid support. The OS will be “free,” but you’ll be paying for plenty of support.
Either that, or they’ll make the monthly subscription model the only way to get Windows. Which is just like the paid support model except that they don’t have to support you worth a d___. What a great racket!

Mike McMillan

Here’s the official and easy way to turn off the button-
Can I turn off the notifications?
Yes. Click “Customize” in the System Tray
[that’s the area in the lower right where the upgrade button appears] and turn off the Get Windows 10 app notifications in the menu that comes up.

PeterinMD

Interestingly, I’m running Windows 7SP1 the update is installed but I don’t have the notification. Not that I would want it anyway.

You may not have hardware that Win10 like …

tgmccoy

I have 7SP1 (after booting Vista to the electronic nether regions.) and I have the 10pox..
We hates Microsoft….
Thanks Anthony..

beng135

Same here, tho I had previously uninstalled several updates that were causing sfc /scannow errors (corrupted files in some of the updates). Turns out one of the uninstalled updates was the one Anth*ny identifies.
Still, getting a free download of Windows 10 is tempting, but not sure I want to interfere w/my customized/tweaked, solid Windows 7 installation. If it ain’t broke…..

I’m an EE working as an IT guy. I run servers and general network admin stuff…
I normally just install Ubuntu, Debian, or Trisquel and promptly forget about Microsoft altogether.
However, it’s a really good idea for most Windows users to *not* uninstall updates. Many of the these include security updates, which if uninstalled may leave your machine vulnerable to attack in various ways.
Anyway… infoworld [several other places] has an article on KB3035583:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2906002/operating-systems/mystery-patch-kb-3035583-for-windows-7-and-8-revealed-it-s-a-windows-10-prompter-downloader.html
Microsoft probably has this ‘nag’ update because the official end-of-support has already occurred for Windows 7:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle
OS End of Support
————————————————————–
Windows 7 * – Service Pack 1 – January 13, 2015

Mike McMillan

Microsoft is still selling OEM Win 7 Pro (as of earlier this year when I built a machine), so that puts the end support date in 2020.

True. But I think that only ‘officially’ applies to system running the ‘Pro’ version. Someone running a five year old Staples special priced laptop will probably not have the ‘Pro’ version.
I definitely don’t like ‘nag’ updates or the idea of a ‘forced’ update — but when my servers get hit with a DDoS attack, it’s generally an army of un-updated Windows XP or Windows 7 machines. Although, the most recent hit was a coordinated Android botnet attack from compromised WiMax nodes.

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Jakarta

The end of life for XP just hit industry with everyone writing updates to run in W7 – had to be finished a couple of months ago. No one in their right mind would put production equipment on W8. W7 works, at least. W8 turns your laptop into an iPhone.
Yuk.

unknown502756,
End of Life for Windows 7 is 2020 for all versions not just Pro.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?alpha=windows%207
Which means all Windows 7 versions will get security updates until then. Only “Mainstream” support ends in 2015, you can read about the differences here,
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/gp/lifepolicy

Tony

I have been testing/using the preview Win10 on a old machine at home for some time now.
It is far more friendly for mouse/keyboard users that Win8x is. You do NOT have to have a touch screen to make full use of it and it is not clunky to use with a mouse like Win8x is.
MS has been taking user feedback on desktop view and implementing it quite rapidly in their iterations of the preview.
Trust me, the Win10 ‘Desktop’ mode will be similar in function and ease, but not the same, as Win7.
Ex

Tom Stone

Finally something that warmists and skeptics can agree upon (MS hatred)

Ben Palmer

Some seem to be suffering from microsoftphobia?

I don’t hate Microsoft.

Andrew

Have been using Windows 10 Technical Preview for a few months and it’s more like Windows 7, if you don’t have a Touch Screen. The start button/menu has returned and so has the program listing – no touch screen panels. However I understand if you do have a touch screen, the initial installation will give you the choice of the desk top view or the touch screen view.

Eric

Yep, same here. Been using Windows 10 Technical Preview and it is more of a return to desktop oriented UX. Anthony is spot on with the commercial ad placed by Microsoft, but he is absolutely incorrect in his assumptions on what Windows 10 is. I would suggest anyone who is currently on xp, 7, 8.1 to install the upcoming Windows 10 OS. It is far superior in every way especially in security.

BBould

I’ve been using Win 10 Tech Preview also and will definitely be upgrading my Win 7 Pro desktop computer.

AJB

Agreed. This article is nuts given all the “install by default” sneeky crap bundled with third party products by the likes of Google, Adobe et al.

Greg Roane

OSX.
Other than at work (Windows is mandated due to my reliance on MSProject in the performance of my duties), I have not had any of these MS woes. Not on my iPads (x3), iPhones (x3), MacbookAir, AirPort, or MacMini; ever. Never caught a virus either, now that I think of it, and I don’t run anti-virus; yet my Windows computer at work has caught three viruses (while running McAfee) and crashed, hard, twice.
Huh. Is correlation causation in this case?
🙂

Thank you – thank you – thank you

Three years ago I defenestrated M$. There is not an iM$ app or program on my linux computer and I am happy! But now I have to buy a Windoze dedicated industry specific compute ’cause they looove security through obscurity. Just damn.
I feel your pain AW.

I agree, and I think Microsoft has made a serious mistake in the move. Microsoft has always had a core customer base of business desktop users, and they seem to have abandoned that to what will always be a recreational market of touchpad users. All they really need to do (if they insist on using the same os for both) is let the desktop user hide the touch features so they dont get so badly in the way.

Ben Palmer

It’s all there, you can even tell Windows 10 to always start in desktop mode. Millions of preview users had the chance to contribute their ideas and suggestions for a better Windows. But then, nobody has to buy Windows.

urederra

Nope, nobody has to buy Window, If you buy a PC, that c**p is already installed.

Helen RW

Just get a Mac.
Seriously, it’s the 21st Century. There is no reason to conform to cheesy government-monopoly computer systems any more. So there is no reason to be a 2nd class citizen or complain about it.

deebodk

Troll is troll.

Maybe, But Helen is right.

Helen is indeed right get a Mac and no B%%sh&t follows on.

Ian Macdonald

Of the Macs we have installed only two have gone wrong, and both issues were user-induced. So basically that’s zero breakdowns. Though, you could by three PCs for the price of one Mac. You pays your money…
One nice thing about Macs is that you can always ask their support centers for help with clients’ issues even if you aren’t an official dealer. That, and there is no computer age limit on asking for help or advice.

Incunabulum

Well, on the plus side, Microsoft may have learned from the Win8 debacle and is offering platform dependent UI’s – meaning that their should be a somewhat different UI for desktops and mobile devices rather than the touchscreen-centric UI of Win8

rbabcock

I bought a Macbook Pro in 2010 and it still works great on Yosemite (after memory added). All our products are Microsoft .NET based and our shop runs only MS Servers .. but the Mac OS is still superior IMO for personal use. The only real issue has been MS Office for Mac, which has the usual MS glitches from time to time.
To get around the MS application requirements I need occasionally, I installed VMWare fusion and have Win XP, Win 7, Win 8 and Windows Server 2008 R2 virtual machines I can start on the Mac anytime I need them.
Never had a blue screen of death on the VMWare either.
Was going to add an internal SSD to my Mac, but will probably get a new one and keep this one as a spare.

urederra

The thing that bothered me the most about windows was that you cannot install any program without the risk of having toolbars installed in your browser. That was the case some five years ago when I decided to move to linux. And you may think that the toolbars and programs are easy to unistall, until you dedide to have a look at your regedit and windows.ini files just fo find out that many programs leave some code in there that slows down your computer.

Resourceguy

Who benefits when less sophisticated users are forced prematurely to buy a new PC in order to deal with the accumulated junk and speed brakes on their “old” PC? This relates to all of the other unwanted add-ons and features while ignoring other basic productivity flaws. There is an incentive here to bog down users as much as possible. Call it Microsoft’s anti-Moore’s Law.

Odd you should mention that…
In the ’90s I ran a Cray Supercomputer shop. As of now, you can buy a loptop for about $500 that is faster. Yet put MSoft on it, and it is “too slow”.
At that same time my Brother In Law (Ph.D Aeronautics Stanford) was doing computes at NASA on air flow simulation. He shared a graph. One line was rising at about a 30 degree angle (log graph). That was compute increase from Moore’s Law. Another line rose at about a 45 degree slope. That was improvement from better code / algorithms.
The meaning? Better code can improve things faster than Moore’s Law. The correlary I saw was that crappy code can consume ALL of Moore’s Law and then some. Thus the Windoze box today running just as slow to simply edit a text file… no gain to me in 30 years…
On my Linux box I avoid similar code bloat releases like Ubuntu laden with cycle sucking eye candy. On 10 year old hardware it is still faster than MS on new hardware. For much basic Linux software, it is just damned fast. FORTRAN too. I ported GIStemp to an old Pentium class machine with about 256 Megabytes of memory and it was way more than fast enough under Red Hat 7.2 (yes, ancient but fast and stable release with the FORTRAN I needed… and no bloat…). As it doesn’t talk to the internet, no need for updates. Using Puppy from CD, the whole OS get loaded into RAMdisk on my 2 GB machine. Just flies for speed with eye candy graphics and modern browser.
So if you want fast computes, dump the code sucking pig… You don’t need a new computer, you need a new operating system…

beng135

EM, puppy is also very fast as a seperate-partition dual-boot. The only issue so far is the very useful “puppy package manager” that links to secure repositories for puppy “pet” files (hundreds of ’em), which install like any other .exe file — no compiling necessary. It can be buggy, tho, can even freeze the desktop. Solution, save any data and close every other program when running it, and browse slowly & carefully thru its menus.

No one is forced to prematurely buy a new PC. I can restore any PC to its original performance and usually faster relatively easily.

Patrick

Can you do that with an IBM PC/XT with IBM DOS 2.1?

* With any PC that is still receiving security updates from Microsoft.

I agree with poptech. There are many free tools to fix slow Win PCs.
It is Google, Adobe, Oracle(Java) and others that just load cr@p on PCs without folks realising.
Microsoft almost always has any downloads as opt-in choices. Google etc are all opt-out.
I wrote a complaint to the ACCC in Australia about this issue and their response was “they are not breaking the law” – that was my point, I want to see the law changed so that all piggy back software installs are opt-in!!
This Win10 update is unfortunate and here is where I agree somewhat with Anthony – it should be easy to remove the update.
But I will be updating all my win8 computers to10. Not sure about the Win 7 ones right away though – don’t know how the drivers will go. I won’t be upgrading my Linux boxes to Win 10 though ;-). Don’t have any Macs – don’t care. Might have to buy an Android tablet for my EFB (electronic flight bag) and not happy about that.

Richard Mallett

Could you or Poptech please tell me how to speed up my (relatively new) laptop ? It seems slower than my old laptop.

Patrick

“Arding Thoughts
June 4, 2015 at 6:53 pm”
I agree, there are plenty of tools and utilities around to “fix” a slaow running Window$ PC, and it does not take too long for Window$ to be bogged down. The only issue in my experience is that most people simply don’t know they exist, don’t realise their PC is running slow nor how too use them. I alway have friends knocking on my door to help them with PC/Mac issues and even peripherals.

zootcadillac

Windows 8 has some issues, many fixed in 8.1 but it is entirely configurable for desktop use. It’s just a little different despite behaving similar to win7 under the hood. The problem users like you and I using 7 is that OS is now at end of life. I tried 10, I could live with it if I had to but as yet I don’t have to. It’s much faster than 7. You have to take the plunge at some point.
I think that there are still free 60 or 90 day versions available. Stick a virtual desktop on your machine and install 10 there. Give it a go, you may be surprised. I would not adopt it yet, i don’t think the current build is quite there yet. What i would do in your case is ensure that I reserved my free upgrade license. It is only available for 12 months from the end of this month. After that you would have to pay. Reserving your copy now will give you a license key, you don’t actually have to install it. Once reserved your icon goes away. ( I think )
23-27 inch touchscreens are quite reasonably priced now, the trick is instaling them in a way that they can be swivelled and tilted around your workspace for ease of use. Personally hooked up to my PC I have 3 37″ screens on my desk and a 47″ screen on the wall for video so won’t be adopting touchscreens any time soon.

Amatør1

Once reserved your icon goes away. ( I think )

Think again.

joelobryan

I just bought a new HP printer after the “programmed obsolesence timer” in my 9 yr old OfficeJet forced a hard kill on it. HP only offers a driver installation for Mac OS 10.7 or higher. (my printer diagnostics included taking the power supply apart, checking internal fuses, checking voltages on the printer’s controller board, everything seemed ok, but was still dead. Now it’s just a pile of eWaste.).
So I also have a 2008 iMac that was running Mac OS 10.6.8. I didn’t want to upgrade to 10.7 or above, even though they were free because my copy of MicroSoft Office For Mac wouldn’t run on 10.7 or higher. Which would cost me $100+ to upgrade Office while still getting no increase in functionality.
Anyway I was forced to update my Mac to Yosemite (OS 10.10) to get the printer working on that iMac. Now I have to shell out money to MicroSoft for a new MS Office. sigh.
At least my trusty old 2008 Lenovo Thinkpad running XP is still supported with my new HP printer and it runs fine as I have fervently kept malware and assorted junk software off of it. My Dell desktop running Win7 Pro 64 bit version is my workhorse. I only let it update MS updates after releases have been out at least 3 months and the MS user community reports no major issues.

Macs run a print server called ‘CUPS’ … I’m surprised you couldn’t manually install the new print driver via the local web interface at:
http://localhost:631
Anyway, you should check out the latest release of LibreOffice [4.4] … it has served me very well so far… no issues at all with return trips to docx formats in shared documents.

joelobryan

The HP downloaded printer .dmg file for setup-install wouldn’t let the install proceed with anything below OS 10.7. I had no obvious way to extract the actual driver files from the .dmg file. Apple demands a tight a control over their OS configs and verified installation files.

@joelobryan:
I believe you can use hdiutil to mount the image file. And then you should be able to pull the driver files out of the image.
Here’s the hdiutil man page:
https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/hdiutil.1.html
And here’s someone’s tutorial on the process:
http://www.unixtutorial.org/2012/09/how-to-mount-dmg-files-from-command-line-in-mac-os/
Maybe this helps. I dunno…
I generally look for printers that have a native postscript language ability. These are generally more expensive than a generic ink jet, but I don’t seem to run into driver problems on any given connecting OS.
I do recommend the HP Color LaserJet series.
If you are adventurous, you can buy a Raspberry Pi 2 B and configure it to work with your printer. Once that’s done, you will be able to add that printer as a networked device. I’ve done this trick with several electronic devices giving me network access to fax machines, printers, and even oscilloscopes… anything that can be connected to a GNU/Linux machine.

Just an engineer

joelobryan
June 3, 2015 at 9:10 am
Just “lie” about what version is installed 😉
https://justindaigle.com/blog/2010/02/tutorial-change-mac-os-x-system-version/

You don’t need to upgrade Microsoft Office for the Mac. Get NeoOffice. It runs well and does everything most people need. I started transitioning my business from Microsoft to Apple in 2007. I started buying Macs for my employees and running Windows on the Macs, so I could keep using my Microsoft Access database while working on a pure Mac database solution. The computers are more reliable than anything I’d used before. The Mac Minis are very robust. And they easily run Windows.
I finally ditched Microsoft altogether in 2012 when I ported the data from my Microsoft Access database to Filemaker Pro. Now my whole business runs on Macs, and the Filemaker database runs from a real database server. No more worries about file corruption, viruses and the like. Everything just works.
Life is good.

Jimmy Finley

Amen. Maybe the scales will fall from their eyes like they did from yours.

It doesn't add up...

I gather one of the new “features” of Windows 10 will be a complete loss of control of system updates (at least for non-business versions), which will mean you get no choice when the update required 30 mins of download and reboot to install the latest trap door from NSA/GCHQ – and no ability to disable a feature such as this.

Ben Palmer

You gather wrongly.

It doesn't add up...
Philip Arlington

Please take into account that there are still vast numbers of people who object to coarse language, and that many of us belong to your target audience.
Thank you.

joelobryan

Trigger warnings for children not allowed. This is a site for grown-ups.

u.k.(us)

Since when…. I must have missed the memo.
You making the rules now ???

littlepeaks

I lucked out. When I was offered this “high priority” update for download, I was curious why this “off-cycle update” was so important. When I googled it, I became aware of the dastardly deed it does. So I hid it from my system.

travelblips

Thanks for the tips. I agree.. I am still trying to get used to Windows 8.1 on my laptop and I’m merely a ‘just find the time to install classic shell’ away from continuing this. It is so profoundly irritating to be zipping along with mouse and keyboard and then “BAM!” you slam into a brick wall and the only way out is to touch the screen. I can’t imagine how AWFUL Windows 8 is for users who do not have a touchscreen enabled screen! But, although I can see the system probably would work fine on a tablet or phone, as you note, it SUCKS on a computer!
Thanks for reminding me of Classic shell – I had made a note of it before and was just on the verge of installing it.
PS: I was intrigued it was that particular KB file that has to be uninstalled – that same file has been giving me issues with my sound (if I pull out my headphones, the speakers don’t work without me rebooting) and the solution is to uninstall it…

There is no point in Windows 8 where you ever have to touch the screen.

John Catley

I switched to Mac a year ago.
Sadly there are still a few areas where only Windows applications are available and it is necessary to keep one foot in the Windows camp with a small Windows 7 computer for the more esoteric things I like to do.
I have also been trialling Windows 10 under Parallells Desktop which allows concurrent OS/X and Windows.
I have to agree with others that it is a user friendly and robust version that is a joy to use, not that I could ever go back to having system control taken away whilst a seemingly endless stream of system updates are applied to the OS.

rbabcock

As I mentioned above, VMWare is an option for the Mac where you can run Windows Virtual Machines on your Mac and even a second OS/X device. You do need a valid Windows Key to install, but other than that it works flawlessly. You can even copy your current Windows image to a VM and run it inside OS/X.
On the printer discussion.. we have a variety of printers as do our clients and the best one have seen are the Brother’s. Long toner life and robust paper feeding.

North of 43 and south of 44

Haven’t used winblows since win95. Free yourself get rid of it.

I’m getting error code ID10T from your post…

Use a Mac and you won’t get those error codes anymore. ..
🙂

blogagog

To keep it off your computer, you have to check for updates, find the update, uncheck the box next to it, right click the update and choose ‘hide’. Otherwise it will return the next type your computer auto-updates.

Resourceguy

What do picky Russian hackers prefer?

MicroHard.

MikeN

OK, next on the list of removing annoying MS ‘features’. Is it possibly to disable the random upgrades that is the new model, away from the Monthly Update Tuesday? John Dvorak recently wrote about it, but gave no solution.

Tom M

“But a problem occurs with Windows 8, 8.1, and the upcoming Windows 10 as a desktop operating system. IMHO, it’s mostly useless as a desktop OS and gets in the way of working as I am accustomed to.”
Reviewing a product (Windows 10) without trying it is beneath you and representative of similar activity you have complained about from others in the past. As others have noted Windows 10 has a desktop compatible interface available.

John in PA

“Anyway I was forced to update my Mac to Yosemite (OS 10.10) to get the printer working on that iMac. Now I have to shell out money to MicroSoft for a new MS Office. sigh.”
No, you don’t. I haven’t run MS-Office on my Macs for over six years, and I do writing on a professional basis. Just download and install Open Office. The learning curve is very shallow, and it won’t cost you a cent.

I agree wholeheartedly. Although I use LibreOffice… which seems to be getting more developer attention.
I can’t imagine going back to trying to figure out what’s the difference between a section and a chapter break… and how to renumber pages based on a logical flow of document… styles for everything make things so easy… And then frames… how could Office exist without frames? In order to make graphics appear logically on a page, I need to use ‘tables’ so that MS Office users can see the graphics.
Anyway, done with mini-ranting for the day.

Patrick

True! However if you save the .doc file in the default format, many users of Word 2010, for instance, cannot open the document, or if they can, there are compatability/format issues. I suffered this recently with someone who uses Macs.

True!
However, the Office user can simply download the freely available LibreOffice package from their website and edit the shared document in a fully compatible environment.

Resourceguy

Snip, snip; over the top

Saps CPU? gwx.exe shows 0 cpu time on my machine. It’s just an icon. Ignore W10 if you don’t want it, Anthony

Hugh

Whose desktop it is – user’s or Microsoft’s? If you claim you own my desktop, I’ll make sure I’ll stop using it.

Richard Mallett

I bought a new laptop with Windows 8, and the first thing I did was to install Classic Shell. As I recall, it was very easy, and it looks just like Windows 7. I wouldn’t touch touch screens with a barge pole.

travelblips June 3, 2015 at 8:54 am
Thanks for the tips. I agree.. I am still trying to get used to Windows 8.1 on my laptop and I’m merely a ‘just find the time to install classic shell’
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Five minutes? Two at most!

Rattus Norvegicus

You don’t even have to do that. Follow these directions and then pin your most used programs to the task bar. Since that’s what I do with Windows 7, using it is pretty much just like Win&

Hugh

Unfortunately there is no escape.
You need to update to a version of software which is maintained. You can choose to use a hard core linuxish os and maintain it yourself, or one of the commercial products, including Ubuntu. They all have nagware features resembling to Adobe’s well known security hole rich products.
Even Android forces people to UI changes without requiring the user to actually ask for those. Suddenly you just notice notice your keyboard is missing a tilde key and you are unable to type your passwd.
It sucks, really.

I just finished restoring my system to the state before the last Windows Update — after the addition of the thing Anthony is complaining about — I could no longer access the Internet with a browser (oddly, Thunderbird email had no trouble). Restoring my system setting to before the latest update eliminated the Windows 10 Upgrade icon, and my restored my ability to use my browsers.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7

Windows: forces you to upgrade OS and applications frequently to keep cash flowing in to Microsoft. Full of bugs and vulnerabilities. Internet Explorer has been the #1 choice for malware/spyware/virus insertion for years by hackers and national intelligence agencies worldwide.
MacOS: forces you to buy new hardware because of their short software compatibility lifecycle, which keeps cash flowing into Apple. Claimed to have fewer vulnerabilities but hard to tell.
Linux: new versions remain compatible with very old hardware, but tend to be slow supporting the latest hardware, especially 3D graphics. Comes absolutely free with advanced security software developed by the NSA, which protects you from ever getting any useful work done. But you really want it and it’s impossible to remove anyway, so you just disable it so it does nothing (really, you can believe that because the NSA would never lie to you).
Regardless of platform, anything that uses Adobe Flash or Java is unstable and insecure.
Hillary’s email server was running Windows, which is why everyone in the world except the US State Department and the general public have all her emails — including those boring ones she deleted about uranium minting shares as a wedding present for Chelsea.

Richard Mallett

Why use Internet Explorer when Firefox is perfectly fine ?

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7

Because sadly not everything works with fox, including (surprise) a lot of stuff developed in .NET. If you ship stuff via FedEx (www.fedex.com/us), some things (updating payment info, address book) do not work with Fox. I haven’t tried Chrome, mostly because I view Google as the new über-evil empire — worse than Microsoft and Apple together. Sort of like TPC in “The President’s Analyst” (a movie everyone should see).

The NSA developed security spyware is embedded in both Mac and Windows too. However, those companies are not required to give you the source code proving that fact.
I prefer to run an OS that keeps me fully aware of which NSA spying package is running.

commieBob

@commieBob:
I know ‘Tails’ has a following because of the Snowden affair, but I don’t have a need for a specifically tailored Tor based OS.
Besides, criminals and governments [not just the USA] all carefully watch the Tor exit nodes. So, unless the Tor user is really careful about the specific connection details and information shared [in all network layers] — Tor is of limited use for protecting privacy… and in many cases, Tor use is detrimental to privacy.

What are you talking about, re Mac? I know many still running Snow Leopard (OS 10.6.x) on their old machines – sort of like all the WinXP types here. It works fine. If your hardware is 6 years old, then it won’t run OS 10.10 Yosemite, but if you aren’t wanting to interface every form of mobile equipment (iPhone, iPod, iPad, Apple Watch) then you can do just fine. Apple is pretty easy on forcing hardware upgrades – 2 or 3 generations at the least. And nowadays, the OS upgrades are free. The mobile interfacing, however, does have some costs. For example, Pages (Apple’s MS Word-lite) in the older version was a potent page layout program. The newer Pages, meant to interface with mobile versions, lost a huge amount of capability. But, I can still run both old and new on my current Yosemite platform, and make beautiful catalogs with the old one, and word processing documents that I can trade back and forth with my iPad with the new one. And never once having to buy Norton/Symantec anything. Life is good.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7

That all depends on your notion of expected hardware lifecycle. Since Apple depends on hardware sales, they pay little attention to maintaining compatibility beyond a few years. As I detail below I am still running current Linux on IBM hardware I bought cheap in 2006, and it was probably new around 2000 or earlier. Works fine and has all the horsepower it needs.
Personally, I think Windows is great because its ongoing bloatware expansion causes perfectly good server hardware to depreciate to the point I can afford it after only 4-5 years, and then run Linux on it for the next 10 or so.

Harold

Actually, Debian, and it’s derivatives such as Ubuntu, stopped working with older Pentium chips several years ago. If you have older hardware, don’t even try the ‘buntus.

ossqss

Anthony, can’t you kill that in the MSconfig startup tab?

Steve P

Thanks for the heads up, AW, and for finding the fix.
Yea, this upgrade business is an ongoing headache. Valuable, even critical programs may not run under newer versions of the MS operating system. Some may need DOS. My old version of 3DS Max requires a parallel port to mount a dongle. Win XP isn’t perfect, but I could live with it forever, especially when I have a long list of applications that run in that environment just very fine, thank you.
I run Win 7 on this laptop, and also Linux. I will dodge or eject this upgrade if I stumble onto it.
The answer in my view is to have the operating system in ROM, just like the old Apple II. By now, it should be possible to design an unbreakable but powerful computer with o/s, graphics and other subsystems right on the main board that would be good enough.

China, tired of NSA snooping, has made a secure stable OS:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kylin_(operating_system)
based on BSD UNIX and with a Linux option / version.
If you want security and stability, run Open BSD Unix.

Leon Brozyna

Duh .. uninstall .. why hadn’t I thunk of that before?!!
But …
If you’re set to receive automatic updates, in a day or so, it’ll be back, as KB3035583 is listed as Important and will automatically reinstall.
So I just reset my system from automatic to one which lets me choose which updates install.

Stevan Makarevich

Thank you – thank you!!!!
Maybe off topic, but since I was a child, I’ve always had a knee-jerk reaction when told I have to do something – which probably explains why I resent “government” making more and more laws – Don’t smoke – Don’t drink – Don’t do this and don’t do that. Hey – that reminds me of an old favorite of mine.
https://youtu.be/oeT5otk2R1g

Patrick

Yeah, I dislike the way M$ does things these days. Window$ 7, Home Edition, works well for me, even the x64bit version. Personally, I prefered Window$ XP, because it simply worked and worked well on a small, x32 bit machine. Windows 8, like 98 and Vista, was a disaster, 8.1 was better, but now 10 (Apparently as a result of millions of user’s feedback from Window$ 8 and 8.1 users)? Come on M$, users want something that works. That’s all I want. I do not like the Window$ 8, 8.1, 10 GUI either.
Having said that, I have reserved my copy of Window$ 10 (And I will install it in a VM to evaluate) but I read on a M$ blog that it is free for 1 year only, after that you have to buy a copy. Well, M$ I won’t be doing that, I purchased Window$ 7 with my laptop. If this is a “free” upgrade to those valid Window$ 7, 8 and 8.1 users, then it should be free for the life of the device. Also, there does not seem to be a way to migrate currently installed applications. I simply do not want to re-install *ALL* of my apps, and I am not sure *ALL* of them will run under Window$ 10.
So, I won’t be going to Window$ 10 until I replace my laptop, when it fails. I am looking at Linux as an option to Window$ because, like The Simpsons, its getting tired IMO.
Thanks for the useful tip!

Please leave a link to where MS has stated you have to pay after the first year.
The only place I found a year mentioned MS Q&A:
Is the upgrade really free?
Yes, it’s free. This is a full version of Windows, not a trial or introductory version. It is available for a limited time: you have one year from the time Windows 10 is available to take advantage of this offer.
So you have a year to get your free upgrade once they release it.

What they said was NOT that if you upgrade for free you’ll have to “buy” it after a year.
It’s NOT a “1-year ‘free trial’.”
What they *ACTUALLY* said was that you may reserve a copy of the upgrade to Windows 10 for free for an entire year. If you reserve the upgrade during that year, the OS is FREE. Period. You don’t have to pay a dime for the upgrade.
If you have not reserved or upgraded to Windows 10 within that 1 year period and wish to upgrade AFTER that timeframe, you would have to pay for the upgrade after that time.
Basically they’re just encouraging early and uniform adoption during the first year by offering the upgrade to users for FREE during that time.
Upgrade from Win7 or Win8 *during* the first year of availability: Free. Period.
Upgrade *after* the first year: you have to pay for the upgrade.
That’s all.

Amatør1

Win10 is free because otherwise Mac and Linux would take over in the long run. I don’t think MS will ever be able to charge for the upgrade. If they try, just install some Linux distro. Kubuntu (=Ubuntu with KDE desktop) should be rather familiar to existing Win7 users.
I would suggest those who have not tried Linux yet, try it now. It is free as in libre (not just as in free beer) , and if you don’t like it it isn’t forced upon you.

Eustace Cranch

Don’t like or use touchscreens of touchpads. Don’t have a smartphone. I’m not leaving Windows, it’s leaving me.

Error: ID10T.
Silly statement is silly.
Windows 10 will be a desktop operating system by default on desktops, not a “tablet” interface like Win8. That’s largely the *point* of Windows 10: to correct the perceived inadequacies of 8 and make it more typically “desktop friendly” and “keyboard/mouse friendly” like Win7, etc.
It will still have the ability to make use of touch interface(s), of course, if you have one. But it is no longer intended to default to a “touch” / “tablet” interface on the desktop, though it still supports the functionality, and can be switched to a touch/tablet interface for actual tablets or 2-in-1’s where a “touch” interface may be appropriate in some situations.
Please, do your homework before making silly statements…

Eustace Cranch

The last I checked, I’m free to say what I like within the ground rules of WUWT, even if it may be “silly”.
If that upsets you, it’s your problem.

Eustace:
Please forgive him. He keeps getting those Id1ot errors because he is still running MS…

I have the latest version of 10 with Visual Studio 15RC including the ARM compiler. No Touch screen on my 30″ display just a G7 mouse and MS keyboard. I signed up for the FREE upgrade since they screwed me on the OS before 7, the OS I will not say its name. Windows 7 has worked nicely but 10 on the same hardware works better and that isn’t just a little better. The method of making money has moved to the ‘online store’ and MS seems to be embracing this methodology. It does take ten minutes to learn to use 10 but it is a time well spent.
The main reason I’m moving is my CAD/CAM software runs 17% faster, the new release of VS 15 is shoehorned for 10 & ARM + x86 development. I have 7 Ultimate on three machines.

Its name was Vista… Adequate OS but not perfect. Perfected (somewhat) in Win7.
The typical M$ production schedule:
1) Release “revolutionary” OS [warts & all] to the wild ecosystem.
2) Public “beta tests” it (“in the wild”) and screams about all the stupid shit it does.
3) M$ fixes all the stupid shit it does in the next “Special Edition” of the OS: 95 –> 98/98SE, ME–>XP, Vista–>Win7, Win8/Win8.1–>Win10.
Don’t know why folks are surprised by this. It’s pretty much been M$’s M.O. for the last 2-3 decades.

CodeTech

That ain’t right… ME was intended to be EOL for the 95 codebase. They deliberately sabotaged it to force everyone to NT (2000/XP). I was on beta for ME and all of us who refused to sign off on it for all of its problems were kicked from the beta program.
IMO the best Windows were 2000 (the first completely stable version) and 7 (all of the good parts of Vista, none of the negatives).
The guy in charge of 8 was fired for it. 8 was the death of Windows, 10 is their last chance to fix it. Their plan is to make it the last version of Windows, with a pluggable architecture that can be modularly upgraded. It sounds ambitious to me, but I’d say they’ve seen the light about how bad the damage was from 8.

CodeTech, that is pure nonsense ME was not sabotaged and worked as well as any of the other Win9x variants – I know I sold hundreds of those systems before XP came out without issue and less support calls than Windows 98.
Windows XP was superior to Windows 2000 in all ways, especially in performance.

Matt

Actually you want W10, only not now. Wait until the end of the free upgrade period in about a year’s time; by then most glitches and compatibility issues will have been ironed out.

dam1953

Like I tell most people when they bitch about Microsoft BS. Just buy a Mac. Went back to the Mac about 10 years ago and haven’t regretted it once. I started at OS X 10.2 and have migrated up to the current 10.10. Best part is that you don’t have to re-learn a new look and feel with every OS upgrade, and BTW, OS upgrades are free and painless. Hardware migrations are just as easy.
I still run MS XP on my MB Air in virtualization mode. Loaded Win 8.0 on my home Max and still haven’t really figured out how to change settings, etc. Totally unintuitive with extra steps and menus thrown in for the fun of it. PS: what the “H” are charms, other than something a woman wears on a bracelet.
MS needs a big lesson in KISS. They have the last letter down. Just need to work on the first three.

Richard Mallett

I think software developers like to impress people with how many lines of code they can write.

Amatør1

That is not true. A good day is when you leave the office with more powerful software, but fewer lines of code.

Richard Mallett

So why is software always getting bigger ? Is it because the marketing people want to add new features all the time ? Does this even apply to free software like browsers and email clients ?