By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
“What Evidence,” asks Ronald Bailey’s headline (www.reason.com, April 3, 2015), “Would Convince You That Man-Made Climate Change Is Real?”
The answer: a rational, scientific case rooted in established theory and data would convince me that manmade climate change is a problem. That it is real is not in doubt, for every creature that breathes out emits CO2 and thus affects the climate.
The true scientific question, then, is not the fatuous question whether “Man-Made Climate Change Is Real” but how much global warming our sins of emission may cause, and whether that warming might be more a bad thing than a good thing.
However, Mr Bailey advances no rational case. What, then, are the elements of a rational, scientific case that our influence on the climate will prove dangerous unless the West completes its current self-shutdown?
Here is the mountain the tax-gobbling classes who tend to favor profitable alarmism must climb before they can make out a rational, scientific case for doing anything about our greenhouse-gas emissions.
The tax-gobblers’ mighty mountain
| Step 10. Would the benefit outweigh the cost? |
| Step 9. Can we afford the cost of CO2 mitigation? |
| Step 8. Will any realistic measures avert the danger? |
| Step 7. Will warmer worldwide weather be dangerous? |
| Step 6. Will temperature feedbacks amplify that warming? |
| Step 5. Will greenhouse-gas emissions cause much warming? |
| Step 4. Are humankind raising CO2 concentration substantially? |
| Step 3. Are humankind increasing atmospheric CO2 concentration? |
| Step 2. Is a consensus among climate experts compatible with science? |
| Step 1. Has any climate warming beyond natural variability taken place? |
If the answer to the question at any Step from 1 to 10 on the stony path up the tax-gobblers’ mighty mountain is “No”, there is no rational, scientific basis for climbing any further. Unless one can legitimately reach the top by answering Yes to all ten questions, there is no credible justification for any investment of taxpayers’ funds in trying to make global warming go away.
The mountain that the tax-gobblers have to climb is tall, steep, and difficult. Every policy-maker must climb that mighty mountain, and none can justify shelling out a single red cent on thwarting Thermageddon until he shall have demonstrated, at each step, that there is rational, scientific justification for climbing above that step. Gird your loins, sharpen your crampons, and grip your cromach. Let us climb.
Step 1. Is global warming exceeding natural climate variability?
No.
Step 2. Is consensus among climate experts scientific?
No. And there isn’t one anyway. A recent paper by paid propagandists trying to prove that there was a consensus inadvertently proved that there was not. Cook et al. (2013) claimed that 97.1% of 11,944 papers on “global climate change” endorsed the consensus, which they defined in their introduction as the “scientific consensus” that “most current warming” is anthropogenic. However, setting aside the fact that there has been no “current warming” for getting on for two embarrassing decades, the authors’ own data file shows that they had marked only 64 papers out of 11,944, a dizzying 0.5%, as endorsing the “consensus”.
Step 3. Are we all guilty of increasing CO2 concentration?
No, not necessarily. True, our emissions of CO2 and its atmospheric concentration are rising, but anthropogenic CO2 represents only 3% of the total free CO2 in the Earth-atmosphere system. But in logic – it cannot be repeated often enough – mere correlation does not necessary imply causation.
Professor Murry Salby, late of Macquarie University, Australia, has established that it is the time-integral of temperature changes that causes changes in CO2 concentration, leaving little or no room for any detectable anthropogenic contribution. He is not alone in his findings. If he is right, there is no need to posit any role for CO2 or other anthropogenic influences. On that analysis, climate sensitivity may well be zero.
Cross-correlations by Professor Salby between CO2 change and temperature change. He has found by detailed inspection that the observed record shows CO2 concentration change lagging temperature change by about 8-10 months, approximately the lag that would be expected on the basis of an atmospheric residence time of about 5 years. It is a settled principle of logic that that which occurs second cannot have caused that which occurred first.
Step 4. Is CO2 concentration rising to dangerous new levels?
No. Mr Bailey says CO2 concentration is 30% higher than the 800,000-year peak. So what?
Step 5. Will greenhouse-gas emissions cause much warming?
No – and, on the evidence to date, certainly not as much as the IPCC predicted.
Near-term projections of warming at a rate equivalent to 2.8 [1.9, 4.2] K/century, made with “substantial confidence” in IPCC (1990), for the 303 months January 1990 to March 2015 (orange region and red trend line), vs. observed anomalies (dark blue) and trend (bright blue) at less than 1.4 K/century equivalent, taken as the mean of the RSS and UAH satellite monthly mean lower-troposphere temperature anomalies.
Step 6. Do temperature feedbacks amplify direct CO2 warming?
No. Measurements suggest feedbacks are negative, attenuating direct CO2 warming.
Furthermore, the range of mean global surface temperature change over the past 810,000 years was just 3.5 Cº either side of the long-run average – about the same as the range of temperatures permitted by an ordinary household thermostat. It is difficult to alter the Earth’s temperature, because the atmosphere is sandwiched between two vast heat-sinks: the oceans below and outer space above.
Global surface temperature change over the past 810,000 years, obtained by halving (to correct the result for polar amplification) the temperature anomalies inferred from atmospheric δ18O ratios in ice cores from Vostok station, Antarctica. Absolute global temperature has varied by little more than ±1%.
Step 7. Will warmer worldwide weather be dangerous?
No. A growing body of papers in the literature finds climate sensitivity low – about 1 Cº per CO2 doubling. That is not enough to be harmful.
Steps 8-10. Will any realistic measures avert the danger?
No. Whether mitigation measures should be attempted in any event is an economic question, answered by investment appraisal. The UK’s $8333-per-auto subsidy for electric cars will serve as an example. The two initial conditions for the appraisal are the fraction of global CO2 emissions a mitigation measure is intended to abate, and the cost of the measure.
Going nowhere slowly: The Chevrolet Volt
Typical gasoline-powered auto engines are approximately 27% efficient. Typical fossil-fueled generating stations are 50% efficient, transmission to end user is 67% efficient, battery charging is 90% efficient and the auto’s electric motor is 90% efficient, so that the fuel efficiency of an electric car is also 27%. However, the electric car requires 30% more power per mile traveled to move the mass of its batteries.
CO2 emissions from domestic transport account for 24% of UK CO2 emissions, and cars, vans, and taxis represent 90% of road transport (DfT, 2013). Assuming 80% of fuel use is by these autos, they account for 19.2% of UK CO2 emissions. Conversion to electric power, 61% of which is generated by fossil fuels in the UK, would abate 39% of 19.2% (i.e. 7.5%) of UK CO2 emissions.
However, the battery-weight penalty would be 30% of 19.2% of 61%: i.e. 3.5% of UK CO2 emissions. The net saving from converting all UK cars, vans, and taxis to electricity, therefore, would be 4% of UK CO2 emissions, which are 1.72% of global CO2 emissions, abating 0.07% of global CO2 emissions of 2 μatm yr–1, or 0.00138 μatm. From eqn. (2), assuming 400 μatm concentration at year end on business as usual, forcing abated by the subsidy for converting all UK cars to electricity would be 5.35 ln[400/(400-0.00138)], or 0.00002 W m–2, which, multiplied by the Planck parameter λ0, gives 0.000006 K warming abated by the subsidy.
The cost to the UK taxpayer of subsidizing the 30,000 electric cars, vans, and taxis bought in 2012 was a flat-rate subsidy of $8333 (£5000) for each vehicle and a further subsidy of about $350 (£210) per year in vehicle excise tax remitted, a total of $260.5 million. On that basis, the cost of subsidizing all 2,250,000 new autos sold each year (SMMT, 2013), would be $19.54 bn.
Though the longevity of electric autos is 50% greater than that of internal-combustion autos, the advantage is more than canceled by the very large cost of total battery replacement every few years. No allowance for this extra cost is made. Likewise, the considerable cost of using renewable energy to bring down the UK’s fossil-fueled generation fraction from the global mean 67% to 61% is not taken into account, though, strictly speaking, an appropriate share of the cost of “renewable” electricity generation should be assigned to electric vehicles.
Dividing the $19 bn annual cost by the warming abated gives a unit abatement cost of $3400 tn K–1. Abating the 0.013 K projected warming by global methods of equivalent unit cost would thus cost $45 tn, or approaching $6500 a year per head of global population, or almost two-thirds of $71 tn global GDP.
Stern (2006) wrote that the cost of allowing the then-projected 3 K warming to occur over the 21st century would be 0-3% of global GDP. IPCC (2013, WGII) puts the cost at 0.2-2% of GDP. Assuming that 1 K 20th-century global warming would cost as much as 0.5% of GDP (in fact so small a warming would cost nothing), global mitigation by methods of equivalent unit cost to the UK’s subsidy program for electric vehicles would be 128 times costlier than adaptation.
In general, the cost of mitigation is 1-2 orders of magnitude greater than that of adaptation (Monckton of Brenchley, 2012). Affordable measures are ineffective: effective measures are unaffordable. Too little mitigation is achieved at far too great a cost. Since the premium is 10-100 times the cost of the risk insured, the precaution of insurance is not recommended.
Mr Bailey’s evidence
With that background, let us look at the evidence Mr Bailey adduces. He concedes that the warming rate since 1979 is 0.12-0.16 Cº decade (RSS and UAH respectively). But that is half of the rate predicted by the IPCC in 1990. He asks how we can be sure that the rise in greenhouse-gas concentration just happens to coincide with an entirely natural increase in mean temperature. But that is not what skeptics say. For it is possible that CO2 has contributed to the slight warming of the past 260 years, but it is not likely that CO2 is the major cause of the warming. Absence of correlation necessarily implies absence of causation, and the mismatch between the fluctuations in CO2 concentration change and temperature change demonstrates absence of correlation and hence of causation, at least in respect of the fluctuations.
Mr Bailey asks, “What about converging daytime and night-time temperatures?” That indicates two things: first, that there has been some warming, which is not denied; secondly, that the likelihood of severe storms outside the tropics is diminished, for it is temperature differentials, not absolute temperatures, that drive the intensity of storms. Sure enough, the IPCC admits in its 2013 report that there has been no increase in extra-tropical storminess (and none in tropical storminess, either).
Next, Mr Bailey cherry-picks a couple of months of the year and says that in those months northern-hemisphere snow cover is less by about a tenth than it was in the 1970s. Well, we had no means of measuring snow cover reliably till right at the end of the 70s; and besides, in the rest of the year there has been little, if any, decline in snow cover. Northern-hemisphere snow cover shows little change in the satellite era.
Next, Mr Bailey – who has certainly picked up all the talking-points – talks about Arctic and Antarctic sea ice, but without noticing that neither the extent nor the trend of global sea ice has changed much in the entire 35-year satellite record.
Next talking-point: Greenland, where Mr Bailey excitedly tells us the ice mass has been melting at 215 billion tons a year. However, he somehow fails to point out that the summit of the Greenland ice sheet was 2.5 Cº warmer than today a few thousand years ago, and the ice did not melt; and that from 1992-2003 a vast study area on the Greenland ice-sheet showed the ice growing at a rate of 2 feet per decade; and that even if we could measure accurately how much Greenland is gaining or losing ice 215 billion tons a year would cause an annual increase in sea level 0f – wait for drum-roll – half a millimeter.
Next, Mr Bailey, still on message – just the wrong one – says “most of the world’s 130,000 mountain glaciers are also disappearing”. No, they’re not. Actually there are more than 160,000 of them and nearly all of them are in Antarctica, which has not warmed in the satellite era, so there is no particular reason for the glaciers to vanish, and they haven’t vanished. One of them is 40 miles wide and 250 miles long.
In those parts of the world where there has been some recession of mountain glaciers, such as the Alps, researchers are finding long-lost medieval forests, mountain passes and even an entire silver mine. Besides, the retreat of the mountain glaciers began in many places in 1880, long before we could have had any influence.
And there is evidence that all but the very highest peaks of the Cordillera de Merida in the Andes were ice-free thoughout most of the Holocene. They are not ice-free now.
Next, water vapor. Mr Bailey cites a couple of studies that say there has been some increase in column water vapor in the atmosphere since 1982. However, the ISCCP satellite data, probably the most accurate way of determining this tricky variable, do not show column water vapor increasing.
Mr Bailey has his science wrong here. He says, “As temperatures increase by 1 Celsius degree, global average water vapor in the atmosphere is expected to increase by around 7%. No, the carrying capacity of the space occupied by the atmosphere for water vapour is expected to increase by 7% per Celsius degree, in accordance with the Clausius-Clapeyron relation. Just because the atmosphere can carry more water vapor, that does not mean it will. The atmosphere is not 100% saturated.
Then we are told precipitation is increasing. Well, the IPCC did not quite say that in its latest assessment report. It said confidence was high that precipitation had increased over northern-Hemisphere land areas since 1901, but that confidence in rainfall gains or losses elsewhere was low.
So let us look at the longest northern-Hemisphere mid-latitude rainfall record we have, to get some idea of how much the change in precipitation has been. Here goes.
Less than two inches more rain per year after a quarter of a millennium. Not at all easy to distinguish that from natural variability.
Mr Bailey is no Pause Denier. He admits there has been little or no warming recently, and cites Roy Spencer’s analysis of 102 models that found they had all exaggerated the warming trend by a factor of 2-5. Yet he trots out the ClimComm talking-point about the “missing heat” having gone into hiding in the ocean.
So let us look at the rate of ocean warming, measured by the 3600+ ARGO automated bathythermograph buoys.
Much of Mr Bailey’s reasoning is based not on the observed data nor on theory but on predictions. For instance, he cites an article in Nature Climate Change, a less than reliable rent-seekers’ rag, predicting that the warming rate will rise to 0.25 Cº per decade by 2020. But the IPCC predicted short-term warming at 0.28 Cº per decade as far back as 1990, and the warming rate since then has been half what it predicted. Why should we now believe predictions that have proven exaggerated by double?
Mr Bailey says the main reason for his conversion to the Temple of Thermageddon is that some researchers think climate sensitivity to a doubling of CO2 concentration might be as high as 6 Celsius degrees. But the main reason for these high-sensitivity estimates was the belief that the Bode feedback-amplification equation would apply unmodified to the climate, and that in particular no homeostatic asymptote would bound the output temperature.
The graph of the Bode equation shows that if feedbacks are strongly net-positive the equation would lead us to expect rapidly increasing climate sensitivity. But it does not apply to the climate. Researchers had wandered into a field with which they were not familiar, and had made the huge mistake of assuming that an equation that represents the behavior of dynamical systems such as an electronic circuit is applicable unmodified and undamped to dynamical systems such as the climate. Well, it isn’t. And without it, high sensitivity vanishes.
Mr Bailey concludes by asking:
“If generally rising temperatures, decreasing diurnal temperature differences, melting glacial and sea ice, smaller snow extent, stronger rainstorms, and warming oceans are not enough to persuade you that man-made climate is occurring, what evidence would be?”
Well, if Mr Bailey does me the courtesy of reading the above, he will realize that temperatures are not rising by much, glacial ice-melt (if occurring) is on too small a scale to raise sea level by much, global sea ice extent shows little change in two generations, ditto northern-hemisphere snow cover, there has been little increase in rainfall and (according to the IPCC) little evidence for “stronger rainstorms”, and the ocean warming is so small that it falls within the considerable measurement error.
The evidence he adduces is questionable at best on every count. The Temple of Thermageddon will have to do better than that if it wants to convince us in the teeth of the evidence.
I have presented much of the evidence in the form of simple graphs. Do readers like the way the graphs are presented, many of them with a small “Post-It note” highlighting the main point?
Conclusion
Back we go, down the tax-gobblers’ mighty mountain to base camp. Our attempt to climb it has failed at every single step. Even with the aid of CO2-emitting helicopters to lift us and our equipment to each new step as we fail to climb the one below it, no rational scientific or economic case can be made for taking any action whatsoever today in a probably futile and certainly cost-ineffective attempt to make global warming that is not happening as predicted today go away the day after tomorrow.
The correct policy to address what is likely to prove a non-problem – and what, even if it were every bit as much of a problem as the tax-gobblers would wish, could not by even their most creative quantitative easing be cost-effectively solved by any attempt at mitigation – is to have the courage to do nothing now and adapt later if necessary.
The question is why, in the teeth of the scientific and economic evidence, nearly all of the global governing class were so easily taken in or bought out or both by the strange coalescence of powerful vested interests who have, until now, profited so monstrously by the biggest fraud in history at such crippling expense in lives and treasure to the rest of us, and at such mortal threat to the integrity and trustworthiness of science itself.
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The reason “why, in the teeth of the scientific and economic evidence, nearly all of the global governing class were so easily taken in or bought out or both” is simple; to the last member of the team, they all WANT to believe it, because it promises them what they want. What it is each one wants is highly individualized, from opportunity for vast wealth, to a means for re-engineering society to suit their utopian fantasies, to ego enhancement and approbation on the public stage, there is something to feed every vanity.
“Why…nearly all the global governing class..?” Isn’t the answer simple? They are following the “golden rule” of politics – get power and increase power. In the US, the corollary is get elected and get reelected. Science, logic, economics, demagoguery are all tools to use or discard depending on effectiveness of achieving result. Climate alarmism gets more votes than rational scientific investigation and debate. The result is predictable.
An excellent accessible and amusing summary to no avail I’m afraid. The Mannikins © march on in lockstep tuned to hear only their master’s voice.
“The question is why, in the teeth of the scientific and economic evidence, nearly all of the global governing class were so easily taken in or bought out or both by the strange coalescence of powerful vested interests who have, until now, profited so monstrously by the biggest fraud in history at such crippling expense in lives and treasure to the rest of us, and at such mortal threat to the integrity and trustworthiness of science itself.”
No! The real question is who can present to the “global governing class” a better phantom crisis than the “climate change” meme. For a politician, a phantom crisis is much better than a real crisis. The phantom crisis can be skillfully guided and extended by public-relations professionals, and big chunks of the population can be duped for lengthy periods. A real crisis, by contrast, can be unpredictable and destructive. Moreover, a real crisis is typically recognized and embraced by both the politician and his opponents. With a phantom crisis the (more clear-eyed) opponent can be vilified as a “d*nier” or worse.
But this post clearly indicates that the “climate change” crisis is pushing up against its sell-by date, and may have a limited future unless Mother Nature or NASA can quickly engineer some more convincing heat. Candidates for new phantom crises include “Species Extinction” — a scare which has a nice ring to it, but is probably not as lucrative as global warming. “Sustainability” just won’t hack it, and “Asteroid Collision” lacks that air of verisimilitude. But don’t worry! The politicians need their new sources of slush funds; if scientists don’t provide another good phantom scare, someone else will.
Ok, people at this blog who have an inate desire for self flagellation may wish to painlessly satiate that masochistic tendency by merely reading my comments. I can live with that. But I can no longer live with myself for having misled readers. From the comments I’ve made readers may assume I drive vehicles such as 1970 Chargers with 426 HEMIs under the hood. Or, in a sign of sophistication, I may tool about in a Porsche 911S.
With my tail between my legs (which is the only place it ever is anyway), and my head bowed in shame, I must admit that I drive no such things. Not even close. I … I … drive … a 2002 dinky, first generation (God this is hard), 2 seater, Honda Insight hybrid. In fire engine red no less. I can’t even try to blend in.
My sister. My older sister (a vampire who has the unique ability to come out in daylight) refers to it as Tom’s Cute Little Red Car. She knows I hate that. I hate it. Hate it. So, of course, she zaps that at me at every opportunity. And, in fact, so as to increase her productivity at humiliating me with it she’s shortened it to Tom’s CLRC. That way she can get it out in greater frequency in the time I have remaining.
And that brings me to this: ‘Though the longevity of electric autos is 50% greater than that of internal-combustion autos, the advantage is more than canceled by the very large cost of total battery replacement every few years.’
And that brings me to a feature of my CLRC (see, she’s got me doing it) that I, like any other Insight hybrid owner dreads. They talk about it in online Insight forums guardedly, and in hushed tones, terror present in their words. It’s called the … IMA warning light. In long term it means Integrated Motor Assist. And every owner knows that eventually, but without warning and out of the clear blue, those three hideous, demonic red letters are going flash on in the dash board. It’s like a diabolical thief pointing a 357 Magnum right at one’s head saying; “I want $2,500 to $3,500 dollars from you, NOW.”
And may I say that “the advantage is [not just] more than canceled by the very large cost of total battery replacement every few years” it is also canceled out by one’s vampiric older sister screeching CLRC, CLRC!
Try a 1974 International Scout for longevity. It even has a 6 for greenness. Well I must admit that it is a bored and stroked 6 but does not use rare earths to keep it going.
It’s worth reading through acres of other posts, just to get to what you’re on about. C’est magnifique.
In other news, I have 2 sisters (one older,) who live far away.
Tom J; You should get that classic Porsche – I owned one some years ago. No electric junk such as motors in the doors to wind down the windows and adjust the mirrors, no power steering, no silly electric catches for opening the engine cover or luggage compartment, and no baleful lights on the dashboard because the electronics have gone haywire.
You’ll get a terrific motoring experience, feeling connected to the road in a truly exciting car. – and before anyone complains, no, you don’t need to drive like a maniac to enjoy such a machine – nor do you need a degree in computer science to appreciate its construction!
A good friend of mine has a 1984 Porsche 911 Targa. I think it’s an E but I’m not sure. His late father had a 912.
I joke with him about taking some Porsche medallions and putting them on my Honda and calling it a little known Europe only low volume (of course they’re all low volume) pre-production model. We figure about 90% of the people we see would believe it. Of course the Porsche people would strip me, cover me with honey, and bury me in an ant hill
Tom J; Mine was a Targa, a 3-litre 911SC built in 1982. With the roof off, out in the country on a summer’s day, and that sound of that magnificent engine behind me, it was motoring joy. The gearbox wasn’t wonderful however, it would sometimes baulk, and it was slow. Mazda’s little MX5 has a much better one. The Porsches of that generation, the so-called ‘impact bumper’ cars remain relatively affordable – less than some new Fords here in the UK (and I’m also a Ford fan, having found the four I’ve owned to be sturdy, reliable and sensible money to run). Maintenance costs were the problem with the old 911, that’s why I sold it when I retired. They’re now old cars after all – it’s better to leave the rose-tinted spectacles off.
All the Porsche people I’ve met are friendly enthusiasts – I think the ‘warmists’ would be more likely to (as you so colorfully put it) strip you, cover you with honey, and bury you in an ant hill!
I had an argument the other day and was asked what my qualifications were. I told a lie and said “degree in railway engineering”. (Actually history of Palestine in the Roman period )
Excellent summary of the issues and the questions that need to answered.
Question 1: Has any climate warming beyond natural variability taken place?
Answer: No. Prediction due to the logical implications of ‘NO’, Planet cools due to the interruption in the solar cycle.
There has been no warming for 18 years. There is now record ocean ice cover in the Antarctic all months of the year and there is a recovery of ocean ice in the Arctic. There is cyclic warming and cooling in the paleo record, same regions of the planet that warmed in the last 150 years that correlate with solar magnetic cycle changes. The solar cycle has been interrupted. The pattern of warming in the last 150 years (high latitude warming) does not match the profile if greenhouse gas was the forcing function. There is almost no observed tropical troposphere warming while the GCM predict this region of the atmosphere should experience the most greenhouse gas warming. If greenhouse gas was the forcing function the majority of the warming should have been in the tropics as this is the region of the planet where the most amount of long wave radiation is emitted to space.
http://www.eoearth.org/view/article/152458/
http://www.eoearth.org/files/115701_115800/115741/620px-Radiation_balance.jpg
The latitudinal temperature anomaly paradox is the fact that latitudinal pattern of warming does match the pattern of warming that would occur if the increase in temperature was caused by the CO2 mechanism. Base on how the CO2 mechanisms works the entire planet should have warmed with the majority of the warming occurring in the tropics. As noted below that is not what is observed. The amount of CO2 warming is logarithmically proportional to the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere (which after a 12 month delay is more or less evenly distributed in the atmosphere) and the actual forcing is proportional to the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere and the amount of long wave radiation that is emitted at the latitude in question prior to the CO2 increase. As the planet is warmer in the tropics than at higher latitudes, there is more long wave radiation emitted to space in the tropics than at higher latitudes, therefore the majority of warming due to CO2 warming should have occur in the tropics. As noted below in this paper that is not what is observed. The general circulation models used by the IPCC to predict CAGW are incorrect based on observations
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http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0809/0809.0581.pdf
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/TMI-SST-MEI-adj-vs-CMIP5-20N-20S-thru-2015.png
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2013/02/tropical-ssts-since-1998-latest-climate-models-warm-3x-too-fast/
How can anyone with even an ounce of “scientific intelligence” in their brain believe the propaganda, misinformation, unsubstantiated “facts,” massaged data, just plane garbage that the AGW fear mongers propagate? They have been pushing this for at least 30 years and still with the same arguments and the same unsubstantiated “proof.” Even some of the founders of this garbage have changed their mind and it still persists.
Look at what has happened over the last thirty years when REAL scientific processes are followed: Thirty years ago an astronomer that claimed there were or they found a black hole would have lost their tenure or at least been laughed out of their job. Today it is a PROVEN fact. Thirty years ago an astronomer that claimed there were or they found a planet circling another sun would have lost their tenure or at least been laughed out of their job. Today it is a PROVEN fact. Same with the cause of Ulcers, the dangers of Saturated Fat, Eggs, Salt, and a thousand other truly life threating problems. Where is the TRUE, unbiased, scientific endeavor of finding the PROOF and not the pseudoscience, support the desired conclusion that we now have.
E.g. Recently the state offered a fairly large grant to the state agriculture university to perform a study to determine if there was a periodic nature to the droughts in the state. This study would help farmers plan on which crop to plant. Not a single academician in the state would take on the project. When asked by state legislators the response was that “such a study would ruin their career” and thus they could not be involved with such a study. Think about that response. What other studies are not being performed? Their career is more important than the farmers and the food they provide!
Have you a citation or citations, or perhaps links, for the Salby graphs? I know of a couple of papers that demonstrate a lag (citations below) but I’m not familiar with Salby’s work. Thank you.
Cynthia Kuo, Craig Lindberg & David J. Thomson, “Coherence established between atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperature”, Nature 343, 709-714 (22 February 1990).
Jeffrey Park, “A re-evaluation of the coherence between global-average atmospheric CO2 and temperatures at interannual time scales”, Geophysical Research Letters, Volume 36, Issue 22, November 2009.
In reply to Lane Core Jr.’s question.
Salby’s analysis is phase analysis also. Salby looks at C13 changes (where the other phase analysis is only CO2) and finds that the low C13 pulses occur after there is a rise in temperature rather than before and finds there is no correlation of the change in C13 with anthropogenic CO2 release.
The key theoretical component that rom Salby’s analysis/theory (explanation as to where is the source of low C13 carbon is coming from) is a discussion of and the implications of the late Nobel prize winner Thomas Gold’s theory that the origin of hydrocarbons (all water on the surface of the planet and CO2 in the atmosphere) is due to deep core release of CH4 when the core solidifies. As the core solidifies it extrudes liquid super high pressure CH4. This super high pressure CH4 is low in C13. The super high pressure liquid CH4 provides the force to move the ocean floor, explaining why the oldest ocean floor on the planet is roughly 200 millions old. The ocean floor is pushed under the continents leaving a portion of the CH4 under the continents.
The following peer reviewed published paper provides direct support for Salby’s assertion that the majority of the recent increase in atmospheric CO2 is due to the warming of the planet, rather than anthropogenic CO2 emissions. This paper examines short term changes in atmospheric CO2 and planetary temperature to determine cause and effect. This analysis technique is called ‘phase analysis’ is a standard technique used to understand processes (it is used to determine order of occurrence, what observed changes lead or lag in the process).
Curious that there is no discussion in the IPCC documentation that phase analysis supports the assertion that temperature increases and then CO2 increase which is the opposite of what one would expect based on the IPCC assertion that the increase in planetary temperature is caused by the increase in atmospheric CO2. Also the increases in atmospheric CO2 always occur in the southern hemisphere rather than northern hemisphere which does not make sense if anthropogenic CO2 emissions were the cause of the increase in atmospheric CO2.
it’s amazing how long the ipcc assessment is and they don’t really discuss much at all. The graphs are pretty though
William,
All what a study of the variability of the CO2 rate of change can show is the cause of the variability. There is no link between the overall variability of the rate of change and the trend of the same: they are caused by different processes.
Thus Humlum e.a., Salby, Bart and many others are right that the variability in CO2 rate of change is caused by the temperature variability, with a lag, but all are wrong that the bulk of the CO2 increase in the atmosphere is caused by temperature.
The variability of the CO2 rate of change is mainly caused by the influence of temperature and precipitation (El Niño) on tropical forests (there is a peer reviewed article on it somewhere):
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/temp_dco2_d13C_mlo.jpg
Which indeed is mainly South of the equator.
The trends in CO2 start in the NH and lag with altitude and latitude farther South:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/co2_trends_1995_2004.jpg
The same for the δ13C changes: both recent and fossil vegetation have a low 13C/12C ratio, but the current biosphere as a whole is a net sink for CO2 and preferentially of 12CO2, thus not the cause of the drop in δ13C. Thus the drop in δ13C is all from fossil fuels:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/d13c_trends.jpg
Again starting at sea level in the NH.
Thus their conclusion is based on the variability caused by temperature variability, while the bulk of the increase has nothing to do with temperature…
The origin of CH4 may be organic or from deep earth, I have no opinion on that, but that doesn’t explain the same problem as for natural CO2 emissions: CH4 starts to rise with CO2 at the moment that the industrial revolution gets in full speed. Would be a lot of coincidence that the deep earth (or surface) seeps a lot of extra CH4 in complete lockstep with human emissions…
William –
Small correction. Tommy Gold never received a Nobel Prize. Much as I admired him as a brilliant thinker, and as a friend, I think he was generally satisfied to make people think, and to be usually right. Perhaps the day will come when his abiotic gas/oil/coal theories will seem obvious. Read his “Deep Hot Biosphere” book. You wouldn’t have wanted to debate against him in science. For example, when asked if it were the case that coal was really NOT produced by decaying leaves why people sometimes found fossil leaves in a lump of coal (gotcha!) he would turn it around and ask how it was that MOST of the leaves were changed to a homogeneous black coal matrix except one particular leaf which was not (with twinkle in eye). OUCH! Here was a man who did not have a unswerving regard for a consensus. Sadly missed.
Thank you.
Kuo et al (1990) and Keeling et al (1995) discussed the delay of CO2 after temperature, although neither appeared to notice the even closer correlation of dCO2/dt with temperature.
Thanks to Richard S Courtney for mentioning these papers to me several years ago..
Hello Ferdinand and thank you for your above post.
I fear our friend Richard S Courtney is not well, because he seldom posts anymore. I miss the spirited but civilized debate between Richard and you on the “mass balance argument”.
I have been occupied with other matters for the past few years so have adopted an agnostic view on this question, which I recall was Richard’s stance.
I expect the “mass balance argument” will become clear in the fullness of time.
Here is my hypo on the future of the catastrophic humanmade global warming nonsense promoted by the IPCC and its minions:
Best personal regards, Allan
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/01/30/what-are-your-fears-about-global-warming-and-climate-change/#comment-1847733
Hypothesis:
1. The next act of this farce will be characterized by global cooling starting by about 2020 or sooner, cooling that may be mild or severe. Global cooling will demonstrate that climate sensitivity to increasing atmospheric CO2 is so small as to be insignificant. The scientific credibility of the warmist gang will be shattered and some may face lawsuits and/or go to jail.
2. The scientific community will gradually accept the fact that CO2 lags temperature at all measured time scales, and that temperature (among other factors) drives atmospheric CO2 much more than CO2 drives temperature.
3. The foolish green energy schemes to “stop global warming” will be shelved and dismantled, but not before they contribute to a significant increase in Excess Winter Mortality, especially in Europe and to a lesser extent in North America, where energy costs are much lower (thanks to shale fracking).
4. The warmist thugs will still be bleating about a warmer world, wilder weather, etc., all caused by the sins of mankind, but nobody will listen.
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The likeliest cause of the diminution in the diurnal temperature difference is UHI. This has been frequently stated on WUWT. I’m surprsed Christopher nodded.
We don’t have to worry about the funny business in ground station recording pre 1998. When the first slight breeze hits the house of cards all of this stuff will be coming out like hot cakes at the corner store. The alarmists made the mistake of running the biggest scientific fraud scam in history during the internet age. and NSA age.
I think Mr Mockton enjoys this. He is a crafty man and surely enjoys watching a good scam. I wouldn’t want to play cards against that bloke. He will enjoy it when the cards come tumbling down.
You can’t write this stuff
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Must read…
I was surprised the rebuttal comments on the Reason site were not very well-informed. I worry that our side may not be making a good enough impression in the comment wars.
I’d also add in something about the proxies.
can they be proven to be accurate and should we alter global economy based on their (to me) dubious data.
massage a proxy and get the data you want seems to be a desired skillset in the agw crowd.
good post Mr Monckton. thank you.
more importantly as pertaining to giss they don’t supply the raw data or methodology. If anybody has access to this data I would love to see it. The sea level assessment from places like Noaa seems suspicious to say the least. If they don’t show the raw data we are putting the power to change the world’s economy in a very small group of people that are allowed to see this data and an even smaller amount who know how to decipher it.
An outstanding rebuttal. As for the graphs, I wonder whether Lindzen and Choi (2009) is an appropriate source. In response to criticism, the authors retracted that paper. They later published Lindzen and Choi (2011) http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen/236-Lindzen-Choi-2011.pdf, which also concludes most models overestimate climate sensitivity. However, the later study does not include either the ERBE/CERES graph from the 2009 paper or an updated version of it. Do we know that the graph is not implicated in the errors that required a retraction of the 2009 study?
On step one, the chart shown does not prove that current temperatures are outside the range of natural variation.
A chart showing temperatures for the last 10,000 years however would do just that. There have been many instances during the last 10,000 years when temperatures were well above what are seeing today. Indeed, most of the time over the last 10K years, temperatures have been higher than what we are seeing today.
has any credible scientist or scientist come to an agreement what the extent of natural variability is? or even what climate is?
was it a 97% consensus? i only trust those and guys like Bill Nye
Battery charging is about 90% efficient, but battery discharging is also about 90% efficient. That would make electrics less than 27% efficient. And gas engines have been improving tremendously in the last few decades.
No, you are double-counting. Battery efficiency is actually two different ratios – coulombic efficiency (defined as the ratio of coulombs in vs usable coulombs out) and voltage efficiency (defined as the voltage difference between the charging voltage and voltage of the battery during discharging). In both cases, both the charging and discharging cycle are included so a statement that a battery is 90% efficient means you multiply by 0.9 only once.
On charging, you typically have to put in ~110-115% of the ampere hour capacity to get a full charge, while on discharge, you have to take account of the internal resistive losses of the cells, which is significant and more so where the drain current is high in relation to the capacity..Even worse at low temperatures. I don’t have figures to hand, but no real world battery is 90% efficient overall, or anywhere close. Estimate at least 20% losses overall…
Chris
Here, in ten steps, is the entire issue. In fact, a person could combine ten and nine into a single step. A nine step program to sanity. The cost/benefit ratio tells us if we can “afford” a course of action. For example, we can probably find the money to pursue CCS, but a cost benefit ratio probably says it is an economically stupid program to pursue.
Clausius-Clapeyron relation. I recall recently the mysterious finding that this relation in practical climatology needed to be divided by two to fit observations of water in the atmosphere (sorry no link). As some readers know, I have been suggesting that the Le Chatelier Principle (LCP), which has much broader application than in chemistry where it was defined by Le Chatelier (he trained as an engineer but experimented in and taught chemistry). The principle: If a dynamic (chemical equilibrium) is perturbed by changing the conditions (temperature, pressure, concentration, etc), the position of equilibrium moves to partly resist the change – a classic negative feedback governing physico-chemical systems (like climate!).
I would point out two things: one, the change is countered even if the system hasn’t reached equilibrium and two, it has been noted by others that LCP seems to be a much broader principle, permitting prediction of changes to perturbed thermodynamic systems and even has been noted as showing similar behavior in economics – the dynamics of supply/demand/price equilibria .
I contend that it is even more universal than this. One could invoke it (admittedly in a simplistic way) in the stretching or compression of a spring – it resists the compression or extension. If you exceed the range of elasticity of the spring, then you have overpowered the principle (that’s the ‘partly’ caveat). Newton’s third law could have been derived using LCP (and possibly his other two laws). When you switch on an electric motor, first, it resists turning because of inertia and then it is constrained by ‘back EMF’ – it acts like a generator and causes a current to oppose the applied current (partly) – your lights dim in the struggle. LCP can be invoked in heating an ice water mixture, or heating the water surface of the ocean – the system’s ‘agents’ resist the heating by changing state.
I think it unnatural to start off an inquiry about climate or anything else without having LCP at least part of the first brush of assumptions one might make. I propounded a hypothesis of the “geochemical concentration of the earth’s elements” that permits calculation of the tonnages of elemental concentrations (ore bodies of metals and other elements) found, and to be found (primordial concentration) in the earth’s crust, starting with this and observations. One day I will dust this calculation off and feed it to the WUWT wolf pack to be savaged.
I am curious – what is the prediction on CO2 levels in the next 10 years based on Dr. Salby’s hypothesis? It seems that this should be something testable.
Superb.
Good one. I also like the one where the mathematician is asked to be “a little more explicit” in the step in his proof where it says “and then some magic happens”. (all from memory so I might be a tad off)
Here it is …
http://donsnotes.com/religion/images/HarrisMiracle.gif
(One of my all-time favorites.)
Check your facts.
Figures w.r.t. EVs are laughably inaccurate. And you’re conveniently forgetting the 7.5 kWh of electric used to refine 1 gallon of gasoline. That energy alone with take an EV ~20 miles.
But keep on being ignorant, chaps.
Does it help to have a hybrid ‘Prius’ because the battery cant get me up the hills we have around here.!
How to convince a climate skeptic he’s wrong?
Wrong about what? Being skeptical? There is very good reason to be skeptical.
1) Explain to me what the hell an “average temperature” of a non-equilibrium system means in physical terms.
2) Explain to me how the hell one could ever possibly separate out man-made variation from natural variation.
3) Explain to me how precise forecasts of a highly nonlinear system can be made out to the distant future.
Anyone who claims to have rational explanations for these is .. well … a total %$#@ur momisugly! idiot.
Am I wrong?
Answers:
1) A system that is non-equilibrium will still have an average temperature if is taken at a specific point in time. The definition of “average temperature” needs to be defined, but as long as the definition does not change it is a useful tool.
2) By understanding the causes and amplitude of natural variations, and then in effect subtracting those from the average temperature and seeing what remains.
3) The forecasts are given in a band of ranges.
I will address your overall point from another angle. Why is it essential that they be completely accurate? It’s like someone refusing to buy insurance until they know with 100% certainty that they will get sick, and exactly what will happen, and when it will happen. The vast majority of peer reviewed climatologists believe that AGW is real. That in and of itself is not a reason to take action, because it of course depends on whether the impact is harmful or beneficial. But the majority climatologists believe that there will be more adverse impacts than beneficial. For example, while it’s great that Canada will see a longer growing season, it’s not great that many parts of Africa will see more occurrences of drought.
Thank you for validating my point.
+10
(I bet he doesn’t get it)
“Why is it essential that they be completely accurate? It’s like someone refusing to buy insurance until they know with 100% certainty that they will get sick, and exactly what will happen, and when it will happen.”
You buy insurance because someone with considerable experience in the subject of insurance underwriting calculates the KNOWN risks that can happen (say, with respect to either your health or something less controversial as your house), the cost of those risks to you, the policy holder, and the best likelihood of what can happen, within a certain range. For example, I know that neither a health or home insurance company will insure you for the “risk” of being struck by an asteroid (even now, when we know more about asteroids), or the risk of getting caught in the midst of a nuclear war. This is because either the risk is so infinitesimal as to be meaningless, or that the cost of the risk happening is so great and catastrophic that it really won’t matter either way to anyone if it happens or not. In the case of AGW, we have an absolutely insufficient understanding of what exactly is happening, why it is happening, and the probabilities of what will happen in the future. The notion of the “uncertainty principle” and saying that policy needs to be of an order analogous to “insurance” has been nicely shown to be extremely expensive and without clear proof of what it would accomplish. Therefore, I would suggest that your analogies to “insurance” are misplaced in this situation. No reputable insurance company of any sort would place a “bet” on something like this, and neither should any government policy-maker.
Good analysis but neglects an important consideration: What if someone else pays for the insurance? Then you insure everything! and pray for disaster.
Max says:
Am I wrong?
No, Max, you’re right.
I see that not one of your points was properly addressed. As usual, your questions were deflected.
#1, #2, and #3 are excellent points. But the alarmist clique can’t answer them without self-debunking. So they deflect instead, nitpicking some minor thing that couldn’t matter less.
Photon – 3
House — 0
Game, Set, Match.
Psychic Chasms
Christopher Monckton,
Well done on your climate focused point by point discussion of a rational basis that can be considered as helping to increase objectivity in science. Thank you.
I am interested in beginnings, i.e. the premises, that influence what path a logical thought process would follow and of course what constraints on outcomes are caused by premises. So, I wonder about both the general lead question by Bailey and your general lead question.
Ronald Bailey (@ur momisugly Reason.com) asks the general question, “What Evidence Would Persuade You That Man-Made Climate Change Is Real?”
Alternately, you (Christopher Monckton) ask a general question, “[H]ow much global warming [. . .] emission[s] [of CO2 from fossil fuels] may cause, and whether that warming might be more a bad thing than a good thing [?]”
You both concede to a premise that we must see a net warming from emissions of CO2 by burning fossil fuels. That is quite a different premise from one that states there is a possibility that CO2 can (all things in the Earth Atmosphere System being equal) theoretically cause some warming. To me, this latter premise is more circumspect for a less biased basis of the research on climate science as we go forward.
John
But Bill Maher keeps telling me climate change skeptics live in a bubble. How do I achieve the know it all greatness of Bill Maher? is that achievable by regular humans? .