Climatic Jihad?

Climate Crisis extremists attack experts who challenge claims of imminent climate Armageddon

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Guest opinion by Paul Driessen

ISIL and other Islamist jihad movements continue to round up and silence all who oppose them or refuse to convert to their extreme religious tenets. They are inspiring thousands to join them. Their intolerance, vicious tactics and growing power seem to have inspired others, as well.

After years of claiming the science is settled and unprecedented man-made catastrophes are occurring right now, Climate Crisis, Inc. is increasingly desperate. Polls put climate change at the bottom of every list of public concerns. China and India refuse to cut energy production or emissions. Real-world weather and climate totally contradict their dire models and forecasts. Expensive, subsidized, environmentally harmful renewable energy makes little sense in world freshly awash in cheap, accessible oil, gas and coal.

Perhaps worse, Congress is in Republican control, and in 23 months the White House and Executive Branch could also shift dramatically away from the Freezing-Jobless-in-the-Dark Side of the Force.

Climate Crisis industrialists are also fed up with constant carping, criticism and questions from growing numbers of experts who will not kowtow to their End of Days theology. Once seemingly near, their dream of ruling a hydrocarbon-free world of “sustainably” lower living standards become more remote every week. Extremist factions had dreamed of a global climatist caliphate and want vengeance.

So borrowing from Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton mentor Saul Alinsky’s book, Rules for Radicals, they have gone on the attack: Pick a target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. A good tactic is one your people enjoy. A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions. They’ve also borrowed from the Islamic State playbook: Silence your enemies.

Led by Greenpeace associate Kert Davies, this Climatist Jihad wing of the climate chaos movement has launched a well funded, carefully choreographed vendetta of character assassination and destruction, vilifying dangerous manmade climate change “deniers” and trying to destroy their careers. Their Big Green, Big Government and media allies are either actively complicit, rooting from the sidelines or silent.

Instead of bullets, bombs and beheadings, they use double standards, Greenpeace FOIA demands, letters from Senator Ed Markey and Congressman Raul Grijalva, threats of lost funding and jobs, and constant intimidation and harassment. Submit, recant, admit your guilt, renounce your nature-rules-climate faith, Climatist Jihadis tell climate realists. Or suffer the consequences, which might even include IRS, EPA and Fish & Wildlife Service swat teams bursting through your doors, as they did with Gibson Guitars.

Their first target was Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics scientist Wei-Hock “Willie” Soon. Working closely with Greenpeace’s Climate Investigations Center, the Boston Globe and New York Times alleged that Dr. Soon received $1.25 million from the fossil fuel industry, but failed to disclose those funds when his scientific papers were published and falsely claimed he had no conflict of interest.

The charges are bogus. Harvard had full knowledge of Dr. Soon’s research financing and took 40% of the grant money off the top: some $500,000! The details are all public records, and Dr. Soon has a solid track record of going where his careful and extensive research takes him – regardless of where the money comes from. Not a scrap of evidence suggests that he falsified or fabricated data or conclusions, or twisted his science to satisfy research sponsors, on any of the numerous topics he has studied.

He has received incredible flak from environmentalist pressure groups, media outlets and even his own university – and has courageously stood behind his research, analyses and findings, which continue to withstand intense scientific scrutiny. Harvard-Smithsonian recently said it “does not support Dr. Soon’s conclusions on climate change,” and Harvard Earth and Planetary Sciences Professor Daniel Schrag averred that Soon’s approach to finding global average temperatures was perhaps not “as honest as other approaches.” But they offer not a scintilla of evidence to support their allegations of inaccuracy and dishonesty, and give him no opportunity to respond.

Indeed, one of the most prominent aspects of the climate imbroglio is the steadfast refusal of alarmist scientists to discuss or debate their findings with experts who argue that extensive, powerful natural forces – not human carbon dioxide emissions – drive Earth’s climate and weather. “Manmade disaster” proponents also refuse to divulge raw data, computer codes and other secretive work that is often paid for with taxpayer money and is always used to justify laws, treaties, regulations, mandates and subsidies that stifle economic growth, kill jobs and reduce living standards.

Dr. Soon is not the only target. The Climate Jihadists are also going after Robert Balling, Matt Briggs, John Christy, Judith Curry, Tom Harris, Steven Hayward, David Legates, Richard Lindzen, and Roger Pielke, Jr. More are sure to follow, because their work eviscerates climate cataclysm claims and raises serious questions about the accuracy, credibility, integrity and sanctity of alarmist science.

Climate Crisis, Inc. wants a monopoly over the issue. Its members focus almost exclusively on alleged human causes of climate change and extreme weather events – and would love to see skeptics silenced. Crisis proponents will not even attend scientific conferences where skeptics discuss natural causes and alarmists have opportunities to defend their hypotheses, models and evidence. (Perhaps the FCC needs to investigate this monopoly and issue “climate neutrality” rules, to ensure honest and balanced discussion.)

It fits a depressing pattern: of the White House, Democrats and liberals shutting down debate, permitting no amendments, conducting business behind closed doors, not allowing anyone to read proposed laws and regulations, rarely even recognizing that there are differing views – on ObamaCare, ObamaNetCare, IRS harassment of conservative donors and groups, PM Netanyahu’s speech to Congress, or climate change.

The Climate Crisis industry thrives on tens of billions of dollars annually, for one-sided climate research, drilling and fracking studies, renewable energy projects and other programs, all based on dubious claims that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions threaten climate stability and planetary survival.

Businesses, job holders and consumers pay the huge costs of complying with the resultant regulations and soaring energy costs. Taxpayers pay for much of the research and propaganda that drives the rulemaking. Russia and hard-left foundations have also contributed billions to the process; and government unions, environmental pressure groups and renewable energy companies give generously to researchers and to politicians who keep the alarmist research programs, regulatory processes, mandates and subsidies alive.

All of this raises another elephantine issue. If a couple million dollars over a decade’s time creates near-criminal conflict-of-interest and disclosure problems for skeptic/realist scientists, what effects do billions of dollars in research money have on alarmist researchers and their universities and institutions?

Few, if any, alarmist researchers have disclosed that their work was funded by government agencies, companies, foundations and others with enormous financial, policy, political and other interests in their work, ensuring that their conclusions support manmade factors and debunk natural causes. Many of those researchers have signed statements that their research and papers involved no conflicts, knowing they would not get these grants, if their outcomes did not reflect the sponsors’ interests and perspectives.

Moreover, ClimateGate, IPCC revelations and other investigations have revealed extensive and troubling incidents of manipulated data, faulty models, wild exaggerations, and completely baseless claims about hottest years, disappearing glaciers, coastal flooding and other “crises.” And those claims severely impact our energy costs, jobs, living standards, economic growth and freedoms.

We need to end the double standard – and investigate the alarmist researchers and institutions.

Or better yet, let us instead have that all-out, open, robust debate that climate realists have long sought – and alarmists have refused to join. Equal government and other money for all research. All cards and evidence on the table. No more hiding data and codes. Answer all questions, no matter how tough or inconvenient. And let honest science decide what our energy and economic futures will be.

Paul Driessen is senior policy analyst for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (www.CFACT.org), author of Eco-Imperialism: Green power – Black death, and coauthor of Cracking Big Green: Saving the world from the Save-the-Earth money machine.

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ralfellis
February 28, 2015 4:02 pm

Oh, no, wail Western reporters, ISIS are taking defeated unbeliever women as sex slaves!! So where do they get these barbaric ideas from? From the Koran, of course….
O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee … the milik al-yamin (those whom
thy right hand possess) of those whom Allah has given to you as spoils of war” Koran 33:50.
(The milik al-yamin are effectively sex-slaves.)
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Oh, no, wail Western reporters, ISIS are beheading unbelievers. So where do they get these barbaric ideas from? From the Koran, of course….
I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off
their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. Koran 8:12
.
Oh, no, wail Western reporters, ISIS are crucifying unbelievers!! So where do they get these barbaric ideas from? From the Koran, of course….
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and
strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered
or crucified. Koran 5:33
.
Oh, no, wail Western reporters, ISIS are mutilating unbelievers by cutting off limbs on opposite sides!! So where do they get these barbaric ideas from? From the Koran, of course….
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to
make mischief in the land is only this, that they should … have their hands and their
feet cut off on opposite sides. Koran 5:33
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Oh, no, wail Western reporters, ISIS are burning unbelievers in cages!! So where do they get these barbaric ideas from? From the Koran, of course….
Garments of fire have been prepared for the kuffer unbelievers. Scalding water will
be poured upon their heads to melt their skins and that which is in their bellies;
and they shall be lashed with rods of iron. If they try to escape, they shall be dragged
back and told, ‘taste the torment and the Fires’. Koran 22:19
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Oh, no, wail Western reporters, ISIS are subjugating unbelievers!! So where do they get these barbaric ideas from? From the Koran, of course….
Fight those to who the scriptures were given and do not believe in Allah … until
they are … in absolute submission. Koran 9:29
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Oh, no, wail Western reporters, ISIS are a protection racket, forcing unbelievers to pay protection money!! So where do they get these barbaric ideas from? From the Koran, of course….
Fight those to who the scriptures were given, and do not believe in Allah … until
they pay the Jizya protection money. Koran 9:29
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Oh, no, wail Western reporters, ISIS are making war on unbelievers!! So where do they get these barbaric ideas from? From the Koran, of course…..
Make war on the kuffer unbelievers and hypocrites, and deal harshly with them. Koran 9:73
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Oh, no, wail Western reporters, ISIS are taking over unbeliever’s towns!! So where do they get these barbaric ideas from? From the Koran, of course…..
Do they not see how we invade their lands and diminish their borders? Koran 13:40
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Oh, no, wail Western reporters, ISIS are killing unbeliever children!! So where do they get these barbaric ideas from? From the Koran, of course….
And as for the boy (I killed), his parents were Muslims and we feared lest he
should oppress them by rebellion and disbelief. Koran 18:80
(Parable of Moses and the Gren Man. Hence the many ‘honour killings’ by Muslim parents.)
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This is the reality of Islam.

[Never fear. The Oboma administration has declared Global Warming as the most significant threat facing the United States today and in the future. Islam is not mentioned. Iranian nuclear bombs are not a threat. Russian emergence against European states is not a threat. North Korean nuclear bombs are not a threat.
Domestic (right-wing) terrorists are mentioned several times as a credible, very dangerous threat however. .mod]

Janice Moore
Reply to  ralfellis
February 28, 2015 5:31 pm

And that’s the brutal truth, ralfellis. Those who morally equate I-slam with Buddhism or Judaism or Christianity or Hinduism (even with its vile practices) only display their utter ignorance of what the K-oran (and the ijtihad interpretive commentary through the centuries) says.
Most M=uslims are apostate to a significant degree. Thank the Lord.
Expert Testimony in this book:
Why We Left Islam: Former Muslims Speak Out, Ed. and Compiled by Crimp and Richardson (2008)

Janice Moore
Reply to  ralfellis
February 28, 2015 5:36 pm

For Jihadists are not merely doing ev1l in the name of their religion nor are they practicing an extreme interpretation of the K-oran.
Jihadists (unlike those who have done ev1l in the name of other religions) are following with precise accuracy their religion in both its letter and spirit.

Just Steve
Reply to  Janice Moore
February 28, 2015 7:19 pm

“Radical” Islamists are mislabeled. They are, in Christian terms, orthodox. As Janice notes, the less violent types are apostate.

ralfellis
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 1, 2015 12:52 am

Indeed. One of the UK’s ex-Jihadists said the very same thing. The media kept saying he was now a moderate Muslim, but he said: “no, there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. You are either a good Muslim, or an Apostate.”
Simple, really. Although the BBC is perhaps 50 years away from admitting this simple truth.
R

Ian L. McQueen
Reply to  ralfellis
March 1, 2015 12:57 pm

Ralfellas, just wondering if you are familiar with all the bans in what the Christians call the Old Testament. You should be killed (IIRC) if you wore clothes of different materials or colors. The vast majority of Muslims are like us and have the sense to ignore the more drastic measures called for in some parts of their holy book.
Ian M

Zeke
Reply to  Ian L. McQueen
March 3, 2015 10:52 am

Ian L. McQueen says: “You should be killed (IIRC) if you wore clothes of different materials or colors.”
No Ian, you do not recall correctly. Deut 22 starts with laws stating what a person should do if he finds his neighbor’s donkey (return it) or if the donkey is stuck (help get it out). Women are not to dress up like a man. The mother bird and the eggs should not both be taken. Leave the mother bird. Make a parapet on your roof so that no one falls off of it. Do not plow with an ox and a donkey together, or plant other things in your vinyard, or wear mixed garments. Wear four tassels on the corners of your garment. That is the first half of the chapter. So don’t make such silly assertions.

William Astley
February 28, 2015 4:03 pm

The warmists have a logical reason why they want to switch the conversation from science to name calling and a witch hunt. Their problem is that even if 100% of the recent warming is assumed to be due to the rise in atmospheric CO2 (which is not correct, less than 25% of the warming in the last 150 years was due to the increase in atmospheric CO2), observations and analysis indicates there is no extreme AGW problem to solve.
The second problem the warmist have, which everyone has ignored: Basic engineering and economic calculations indicate the green scams do not work and the money spent on green scams by the developed countries will make no practical difference in the increase in atmospheric CO2.
Germany for example has spent $750 billion on wind ‘farms’ and solar ‘farms’ and have an additional $100 billion to spent on electrical transmission upgrades.
Germany’s installed green scam capacity is equal to their total electrical usage which is the absolute limit of the green scams without storage. (There is no engineering solution to electrical storage. The green scams are intermittent sources, wind generation produces power at the cube of wind speed so wind farm power continually varies, forcing the turn on/off of single pass gas turbines to balance the electric grid. Single pass gas turbines are roughly 30% less efficient than combined cycle gas turbines, combined cycle gas turbines cannot however be turned on/off/on/off – they take roughly 10 hours to start and are left on for weeks.) The actual power generated by the German green scams is 24% of the installed capacity. The German ‘investment of $750 billion has tripled the cost of electrical power to their general consumers and has reduced the ‘carbon foot print’ of their electrical generation by roughly 15% to 20%, not including the carbon emission to construct the green scams.
http://wmbriggs.com/public/Monckton.et.al.pdf

Why models run hot: results from an irreducibly simple climate model
An irreducibly simple climate-sensitivity model is designed to empower even non-specialists to research the question how much global warming we may cause. In 1990, the First Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) expressed ‘‘substantial confidence’’ that near-term global warming would occur twice as fast as subsequent observation. Given rising CO2 concentration, few models predicted no warming since 2001. Between the pre-final and published drafts of the Fifth Assessment Report, IPCC cut its near-term warming projection substantially, substituting ‘‘expert assessment’’ for models’ near-term predictions. Yet its long-range predictions remain unaltered. The model indicates that IPCC’s reduction of the feedback sum from 1.9 to 1.5 W m-2 K-1 mandates a reduction from 3.2 to 2.2 K in its central climate-sensitivity estimate; that, since feedbacks are likely to be net-negative, a better estimate is 1.0 K; that there is no unrealized global warming in the pipeline; that global warming this century will be less than 1 K; and that combustion of all recoverable fossil fuels will cause less than 2.2 K global warming to equilibrium. Resolving the discrepancies between the methodology adopted by IPCC in its Fourth and Fifth Assessment Reports that are highlighted in the present paper is vital. Once those discrepancies are taken into account, the impact of anthropogenic global warming over the next century, and even as far as equilibrium many millennia hence, may be no more than one-third to one-half of IPCC’s current projections.

The game changer for the climate wars, if and when it occurs, is unequivocal significant, planetary cooling. Solar observations continue to support the assertion that the solar magnetic cycle has been interrupted. The duration of past Maunder like minimums is 100 to 150 years. As we are changing from the highest solar activity in 8000 years to a Maunder minimum and there is a one cycle (11 to 12 year) inhibiting of the cooling mechanism the cooling will be significant (0.6C) and rapid (over two to three years).

Chip Javert
Reply to  William Astley
February 28, 2015 6:25 pm

William Astley
Reality check time: what’s the source for Germany having spent $750 billion on wind power (I’m not arguing with the number; I’m just asking your source)?
Germany’s 2013 GDP was $3.400 trillion; it boggles the mind that they might have spent 22% of 2013 GDP on wind farms.
I realize whatever the spend, it’s happened over a number of years, but 22% of GDP of ANYTHING is a whole lot of stuff.

William Astley
Reply to  Chip Javert
February 28, 2015 11:58 pm

In reply to Chip Javert.
Hello,
The source is from WATTSUP link to the Weekly Climate and Energy news roundup 167 which in turn links to Mueller’s article in No Tricks Zone. I have seen similar estimates of the cost $750 billion US for German’s green scam ‘investment’. Note Germany has the largest trade balance in the world (greater than China) due to single EU currency. In the past high the Mark would of increased relative to the other European currency which would have moved production to other European countries. Germany is the only country that could afford to waste such a large amount of money on green scams.
Regards,
William
Germany Energiewend Leading To Suicide By Cannibalism. Huge Oversupply Risks Destabilization
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/02/08/weekly-climate-and-energy-news-roundup-167/
By Fred F. Mueller, No Tricks Zone, Feb 4, 2015
http://notrickszone.com/2015/02/04/germanys-energiewende-leading-to-suicide-by-cannibalism-huge-oversupply-risks-destabilization/#sthash.8tE9YRDj.PSllYaQF.dpbs

The coming age of power cannibalism…Germany on the verge of committing energy suicide
Capacity without control The problem with the “renewable” power sources of wind and solar is their intrinsic volatility coupled with their poor capacity utilization rates of only 17.4% for wind and 8.3% for solar (average values for Germany). – See more at:
Yet Germany has a unique peculiarity: its leaders sometimes exhibit a stunning inability to recognize when the time has come to abandon a lost cause. So far €500 billion (William: €500 billion is $750 billion US) has already been invested in the “Energiewende”, which is clearly emerging as a failure. Yet all political parties continue to throw their full weight behind the policy rather than admitting it is a failure (which would be tantamount to political suicide). Instead, the current government coalition has even decided to shift into an even higher gear on the path to achieving its objective of generating 80% of German electric power from “renewable” sources by 2050. If the situation is practically unmanageable now with 25% renewable energy (William: Note that the Germans are receiving 25% of their electrical power from green scams, the actual carbon reduction is only 15% to 25% due to requirement to turn on/off/on/off single cycle natural gas power plants rather than to run combine cycle more efficient power plants that take 10 hours to start and that are hence left on for weeks), it’ll be an uncontrollable disaster when (if) it reaches 80%.

Power cannibalism has already started
The combined rated capacity of all “renewable” power sources already reaches about 87,000 MW, which is the maximum power consumption the grid has been designed to secure. Additionally, a minimum conventional power station capacity of some 28,000 MW has to be constantly connected to the grid in order to secure supply stability. As a result the risk of the grid reaching an oversupply situation if weather conditions are favorable for both wind and solar power plants is growing with every additional “renewable” plant that comes online. Currently 5,000 – 6,000 MW are getting added each year. That situation is aggravated by the fact that there exists no technology to absorb and store any noticeable quantities of oversupply. Neighboring countries are already taking measures to fend off surplus-power-dumping that could destabilize their grids.
The result is a grid which at times is so oversupplied with power that something will have to give. Fossil fuel power plants have been throttled to the point where they are no longer profitable and many power companies have started mothballing them, so quickly in fact that Germany had to pass legislation forcing producers to keep their fossil plants on stand-by, and to do so even if they lost money. Even the reliable “classic” renewable power sources – e.g. hydropower – are starting to suffer because most are not supported by government schemes.

http://www.cfact.org/2014/12/16/germanys-energy-transformation-unsustainable-subsidies-and-an-unstable-system/

Marita Noon: Germany’s “energy transformation:” unsustainable subsidies and an unstable system
A few months ago, Bloomberg reported that, due to increased coal consumption: “Germany’s emissions rose even as its production of intermittent wind and solar power climbed fivefold in the past decade”—hence Merkel’s potential embarrassment on the global stage where she’s put herself in the spotlight as a leader in reducing emissions

dp
February 28, 2015 4:13 pm

Is playing their game against them fair? I’d buy a coffee cup or t-shirt that says “I’m a skeptic and I know where you live” or what ever the inverse of their current MOTD is.

Peter
February 28, 2015 4:14 pm

The Global Warmists have won. Face it, they own the politicians, they have all the money from big oil, they have the watermelons backing them. Finally they have the “Free” press.
Scientists acknowledge that Global Warming is bunkum. But if they say it they lose there jobs. It’s not about the truth, its not about science, it’s about power and control.
The White House has notified the opposition, they are coming for skeptic leaders. It they won’t be silenced, then they will have to be arrested convicted and jailed. Opposition will not be tolerated!!!!
Meanwhile jihadis and other threats are rolling around laughing, slaughtering anyone who is slightly different.

tomharrisicsc
February 28, 2015 4:34 pm

Here are the links to one of the recent attacks on me, FYI:
The Wicked Tom Harris” piece at http://awesternheart.blogspot.ca/2015/02/the-wicked-tom-harris-canadian-tom.html hits the nail on the head.
For your entertainment, here is the complete six piece Tom Harris attack series:
Feb 16: “Tom Harris – hypocritical peddler of deceitful climate change editorials”: http://scholarsandrogues.com/2015/02/16/tom-harris-hypocritical-peddler-of-deceitful-climate-change-editorials/#more-95427
Feb 17: “Tom Harris’ recent commentaries rife with errors and illogic”: http://scholarsandrogues.com/2015/02/17/tom-harris-recent-commentaries-rife-with-errors-and-illogic/
Feb 18: “Tom Harris places absurd limits on scientific truths and elevates ignorance to equal knowledge”: http://scholarsandrogues.com/2015/02/18/tom-harris-implores-his-readers-to-embrace-irrational-limitations-on-climate-science/
Feb 19: “Tom Harris distorts the maturity of global warming science and imagines expertise where little exists”: http://scholarsandrogues.com/2015/02/19/tom-harris-distorts-the-maturity-of-global-warming-science-and-imagines-expertise-where-little-exists/
Feb 20: “Tom Harris’ commentaries intended to impede, not advance, public understanding of climate science”: http://scholarsandrogues.com/2015/02/20/tom-harris-commentaries-intended-to-impede-not-advance-public-understanding-of-climate-science/
Feb 21: “Peddlers of climate change deceit have significant advantages over climate realists”: http://scholarsandrogues.com/2015/02/21/peddlers-of-climate-change-deceit-have-significant-advantages-over-climate-realists/

Janice Moore
Reply to  tomharrisicsc
February 28, 2015 5:43 pm

Well, GO, TOM HARRIS! #(:))
For your heroic effort on behalf of truth in science, YOU deserve to have a link to your fine site:
http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=121&Itemid=67
Thank you and keep up the fine work!
Janice
Your U.S. Ally

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
February 28, 2015 5:46 pm

International Climate Science Coalition!

Here: http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/

JohnWho
Reply to  tomharrisicsc
February 28, 2015 7:08 pm

I suspect we could have another website that just links to attacks by the Climate Change Extremists.
I’m with Janice – hang in there Tom.

mwh
Reply to  tomharrisicsc
March 1, 2015 1:17 pm

Hey Tom at least you are widely read – in order to discount anything you say they have to read it and think about it first. True believers wont take the slightest fact or figure in to their echo chambers but a few lukers will read and store. It might just be one or two, here and there – ignore the ignorant and the name callers and look on the bright side

mwh
Reply to  mwh
March 1, 2015 1:18 pm

lurkers that is!

February 28, 2015 4:41 pm

I have been saying for years that there is no discernible difference between Islamic terrorism and climate terrorism. Both make overt threats against the general population to either extort money or compliance. Nice to see the world is finally waking up to it.

Gary in Erko
February 28, 2015 4:41 pm

A prediction – After countries sign up to the UN’s financial tyranny at the Paris conference in December, suddenly it will be discovered that the statistics of temperature data wasn’t quite correct. And the polar bears are not in danger after all. But don’t expect those excommunicated to be reinstated.

frederik wisse
February 28, 2015 4:48 pm

Mr Paul Driessen thank you very much . However you are all circumventing tha basic problem . This is Barack Obama and nobody else . He is orchestrating this mess , which he calls leading from behind and which typifies his manipulative behaviour . He has no real friends and surrounds himself with players that can be manipulated easily , throws away the wealth of other people , especially you Americans and is capable of any lie that suits his agenda . His agenda : Be the worlds ruler , enslave everybody and make your own rules . He does not give a damn about the life and prosperity of others . Following his will what quite a lot of people are performing , the us government first , will only lead you into poverty and misery .
He does not give a damn about religion , his christian stance was a fake and so is mohammedan stance as well , he has given orders to murder many more mohammedans than christians . He is 100% materialistic and narcistic , drowning his mind with the powers bestowed on him by his country-citizen . Like Richard Nixon , also a lawyer , he experiences the law as an obstacle that needs to be overcome . Glad that there are a lot of jews in his party that should be capable to make him face the music of others in this world .

Alan Robertson
Reply to  frederik wisse
February 28, 2015 7:06 pm

frederik wisse-
I am convinced that you are giving far to much credit to Barack Obama. Many have come to view him as nothing but a figurehead, a puppet, a useful idiot, an empty suit, an affable boob.
If you want to know Barack Obama, look to Bill Ayers and Uncle Frank.

Reply to  Alan Robertson
March 1, 2015 6:10 am

…and Reverend Wright.

JohnWho
Reply to  frederik wisse
February 28, 2015 7:14 pm


frederik wisse
February 28, 2015 at 4:48 pm
Mr Paul Driessen thank you very much . However you are all circumventing tha basic problem . This is Barack Obama and nobody else

Well, except the Climate Change Extremists (formerly Global Warming Extremists) have been doing similar since before Obama was a headline name.
If you aren’t with them, you are against them, don’t you know?

February 28, 2015 6:03 pm

Comparing global warming loons to ISIS is inaccurate and irresponsible. Skeptics don’t accept it when they do it to us.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Mark
February 28, 2015 6:25 pm

It is a METAPHOR. (Remember Mark Steyn and his quote about Michael Mann v. a v. that creep Sandusky…?). This isn’t a literal comparison.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
February 28, 2015 6:38 pm

Further, Mark, the AGW spew we skeptics refuse to accept is, unlike the jihadist metaphor, indeed inaccurate and in hideously bad taste (at best). To call someone who simply refuses to accept the conjecture about CO2 a “den1er,” i.e., the equivalent of an ignorant b1got who den1es the fact of the ho1olocaust against the Jews, is despicable.
In case the distinction between us skeptics and holocaust den1ers is still not clear:
We deny the conjecture and speculation about CO2 which is RUINING the economy and bringing misery (mainly to the poor among us).
— A holocaust den1er den1es the well-documented, authenticated, eye witness testimony of thousands about an event that boggles the mind for its cruelty and barbarity.
The metaphor about us is NOT accurate.
The metaphor about the jihadists and those using barbaric intimidation tactics is right on target.

February 28, 2015 6:11 pm

Reblogged this on Power To The People and commented:
How Many More Years Of Rising CO2 With No Rising Temperatures Will ItTake To See Alarmist #Climate Theory Disagrees With Reality Fuel Poverty ☠? http://youtu.be/vu6637cjk8A

February 28, 2015 6:34 pm

It all depends on what the definition of ISIS is.

mebbe
Reply to  Max Photon
February 28, 2015 7:02 pm

Nice!
(maybe even better without the ‘is’?)

Khwarizmi
Reply to  Max Photon
February 28, 2015 8:35 pm

What a great point you make, Max.
ISIS Headquarters website:
http://web.archive.org/web/20140219093914/https://public.isishq.com/public/SitePages/Home.aspx
They changed their name to SIS, or IS, or something recently. (see non-archive version)
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwtyIwkCIAAUhyq.jpg

Merovign
Reply to  Khwarizmi
February 28, 2015 11:57 pm

The inset photo is not an enlarged sample from the larger photo, it’s a completely different arm.
Also, a quick internet search shows an original photo where the arm has no tattoo.
Just like on TV and in the papers, much of what you see on the internet is a lie.

Just Steve
Reply to  Khwarizmi
March 1, 2015 9:20 am

It is now ISIL….Islamic state of Iran and the Levant. To fully understand the levant, google Sykes Picot.

February 28, 2015 7:03 pm

Wow. Comparing the vast majority of climate scientists who believe that climate change is a real threat to terrorists?
Yeah, that’s a totally rational way to persuade people on the fence to take your side.

JohnWho
Reply to  Chris
February 28, 2015 7:16 pm

Well, not a majority and only half vast Chris.
/grin

Janice Moore
Reply to  Chris
February 28, 2015 7:46 pm

Chris? Who are you addressing? I haven’t read ANY comment that says that a vast majority of the AGWers are doing this. This thread is just about the “jihadist,” letter-writing, “den1er”-spewing, ones (most are (or have become) just political hacks, not scientists in any meaningful sense at all).
And just how many bona fide scientists truly believe CO2 drives climate change? All three of them probably share the same room in “special housing.”

Reply to  Janice Moore
February 28, 2015 8:45 pm

Janice:
Did you really just suggest that there are only three scientists who truly believe CO2 drives climate change?
And you profess to be more informed on this issue than most?
That is astounding.
Look, I think it’s possible that those “97% of scientists agree” studies are bunk. But it is very clear that a majority of scientists agree that CO2 is the main driver and that climate change poses a real threat. For one thing, there is no national scientific organization that doesn’t accept this conclusion.
It’s one thing to argue that the consensus doesn’t matter. It’s quite another to argue that the consensus doesn’t exist, and that climate change skeptics are the majority.

Reply to  Chris
February 28, 2015 9:33 pm

Chris February 28, 2015 at 7:03 pm
Wow. Comparing the vast majority of climate scientists who believe that climate change is a real threat to terrorists?

No such comparison was made. The tactics of a Greenpeace associate and Raul Grijalva, a politician, were compared. Neither of these are scientists. Which prompts the obvious question. Why are people who are not even scientists trying to silence people who are?
Since they are not themselves scientists, and are not even making the slightest pretense that they are, it becomes obvious that their actions are enitrely politically motivated and have nothing to do with science. Thank you for bringing this to my attention, I might otherwise have missed it.

tomharrisicsc
Reply to  Chris
February 28, 2015 10:38 pm

You are wrong, Chris, to say “the vast majority of climate scientists who believe that climate change is a real threat.” 100% of climate scientists know that. The Greenland Vikings and the pre-Incan civilizations died out due to climate change. The real question is what fraction of scientists who study the causes of climate change support the idea that our CO2 emissions will soon cause dangerous climate change. As far as I am aware, no worldwide, reputable poll has ever asked this question of the relevant population.

knr
Reply to  tomharrisicsc
March 1, 2015 1:26 am

Chris no body even knows how many scientists there are and there is not even an agreed definition of what makes someone a climate ‘scientists’ the whole 97% claim fail on basic logic and maths grounds . Although to be fair within climate ‘science’ logic and maths are often things that do not matter at all , has long has you ‘believe’ enough the facts do not matter.

rogerknights
Reply to  tomharrisicsc
March 1, 2015 5:56 am

“As far as I am aware, no worldwide, reputable poll has ever asked this question of the relevant population.”

Robin Guinier wrote here in 2013:
This George Mason Univ. poll [run for them by the Harris polling organization in 2007] http://stats.org/stories/2008/global_warming_survey_apr23_08.html surveyed 489 randomly selected members of either the American Meteorological Society or the American Geophysical Union. It did not cherry pick the respondants who gave them the answer they wanted, and it asked more sophisticated questions [than the Doran and Anderegg surveys], below:
Under its “Major Findings” are these paragraphs:

“Ninety-seven percent of the climate scientists surveyed believe “global average temperatures have increased” during the past century.
“Eighty-four percent say they personally believe human-induced warming is occurring, and 74% agree that “currently available scientific evidence” substantiates its occurrence. Only 5% believe that that human activity does not contribute to greenhouse warming; the rest [11%] are unsure.
“Scientists still debate the dangers. A slight majority (54%) believe the warming measured over the last 100 years is NOT “within the range of natural temperature fluctuation.”
“A slight majority (56%) see at least a 50-50 chance that global temperatures will rise two degrees Celsius or more during the next 50 to 100 years. (The United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change cites this increase as the point beyond which additional warming would produce major environmental disruptions.)
“Based on current trends, 41% of scientists believe global climate change will pose a very great danger to the earth in the next 50 to 100 years, compared to 13% who see relatively little danger. Another 44% rate climate change as moderately dangerous.”

IOW, 59% doubt the “catastrophic” potential of AGW. I suspect that number would be higher now, after six more flat years.

Pippen kool
February 28, 2015 7:18 pm

“Moreover, ClimateGate, IPCC revelations and other investigations have”
are claimed to have
“revealed extensive and troubling incidents of manipulated data, faulty models, wild exaggerations, and completely baseless claims about hottest years, disappearing glaciers, coastal flooding and other crises.”
Whereas the other side has revealed no data at all in their defense.
Hmmmmm.

Reply to  Pippen kool
February 28, 2015 8:20 pm

Pippen tool,
Obviously you don’t understand the Scientific Method: skeptics have nothing to prove. Therefore, skeptics do not have to provide or reveal anything.
To the extent that some skeptics do, it is only to deconstruct the MMGW Conjecture — and skeptics have been amazingly successful in debunking your Belief system. See, it is the JOB of skeptics to deconstruct any Conjectures, Hypotheses, Theories, and even Laws. And MMGW was one of the easiest conjectures ever to debunk.
But carry on. It keeps us on our toes, and who knows? Global warming may suddenly start up again. Stranger things have happened. Not many, and I can’t think of any right off. But I suppose anything is possible.

Reply to  Pippen kool
February 28, 2015 9:38 pm

Whereas the other side has revealed no data at all in their defense.
Don’t be silly. Both sides use the same data. Analysis of which is how we know that data has been manipulated, models are faulty, and there have been wild exaggerations. Are you demanding that we put up a second set of satellites and weather stations and argue which one is more accurate? LOL.

Jimbo
Reply to  Pippen kool
March 1, 2015 6:35 am

dbstealey, thank you. I was going to respond to Pippen about how science works. The onus is on them, not us.

February 28, 2015 7:21 pm

It’s also hilarious that after years of the most common refrain in the comments of this blog being some variation of “follow the money,” specifically critiques about climate scientists being government funded and/or on the pockets of Big Green, now all of a sudden the commenters are forgetting all of that in order to argue that Willie Soon’s funding is completely irrelevant and we should just look at the science (which of course has been critiqued plenty).

Reply to  Chris
February 28, 2015 7:27 pm

:
You haven’t got a clue, do you?
The money flowing into climate alarmism is about 10 – 1 compared with what skeptics get.
You also don’t have a clue about Dr. Soon, and the reason he is being attacked. It isn’t about the money or the science, it’s about the Narrative.

trafamadore
Reply to  dbstealey
February 28, 2015 7:40 pm

The reason the $$ is one to ten is that it is hard to find real scientists that will sell their soul for a year of funding.
So, db, you are the one not too smart.

Reply to  dbstealey
February 28, 2015 8:04 pm

trafamadope says:
db, you are the one not too smart.
You despicable little troll, who elected you to determine who is smart, and who isn’t?
If anyone has sold their soul for taxpayer loot, it is unquestionably the riders on the grant gravy train. Take away their loot, and the ‘carbon’ scare will fold like a cheap card table.

Reply to  dbstealey
February 28, 2015 8:49 pm

Dbstealey:
“The money flowing into climate alarmism is about 10 – 1 compared with what skeptics get.”
Your link literally just goes to a blogger making this same claim while providing no hard data to back it up. Why on earth would you think that would be convincing?

Reply to  dbstealey
February 28, 2015 8:51 pm

More importantly, dbstealey, your rebuttal does not actually address my counter-argument. Whichever side has more funding is irrelevant to my point, which is that this blog has spent years saying that the amount of funding discredits the vast majority of climate scientists who accept AGW, and are now saying that Willie Soon’s funding is irrelevant.

Reply to  dbstealey
March 1, 2015 10:12 am

Chris says:
Your link literally just goes to a blogger…
Stil playing the man and not the ball, I see.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  dbstealey
March 1, 2015 11:05 am

dbstealey,

You despicable little troll, who elected you to determine who is smart, and who isn’t?

Who elected you to determine who is a troll and who isn’t?

Reply to  dbstealey
March 1, 2015 11:19 am

Brandon Gates
Nobody needs to be elected to recognise the histories of trolling on WUWT provided by you, trafamadore and Chris.
Richard

Reply to  dbstealey
March 1, 2015 12:30 pm

Thank you, Richard.
That makes it 2 – 1. Skeptics win the election.☺ 

Brandon Gates
Reply to  dbstealey
March 1, 2015 5:55 pm

Oh you two, showing a complete lack of self-awareness as usual. Lemme explain in simple terms that even you should be able to understand: there’s a big difference between lobbying to get someone fired for doing schlocky science and beheading them with a knife.
Try having a sense of perspective first, THEN complain that we “trolls” aren’t taking you lot seriously.

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  Brandon Gates
March 1, 2015 6:42 pm

Brandon Gates

Try having a sense of perspective first, THEN complain that we “trolls” aren’t taking you lot seriously.

I will repeat. The collective and un-informed heads of the United States government have specifically and deliberately concluded that today’s private and unorganized global warming skeptics are a greater threat to the United States (well, at least to their agenda for the United States) than ALL OTHER organized and executing terrorist nations, groups, religions and extremists and ALL other nuclear-armed states world-wide.
Now, they have made that conclusion, we (the skeptics and realists who do not and cannot affect their decisions about anything) did not: CAGW is the greatest threat the US faces in today’s world, CAGW is the biggest threat to national security the world presents, and CAGW must be fought before ANY other concerns (taxes, nuclear security, defense, highways, jobs, the economy, food, health care, medicine, etc. ALL other needs in every department (except Muslim outreach by NASA – which is telling, but another subject) are subordinate to fighting global warming.

Reply to  dbstealey
March 1, 2015 6:24 pm

Richard,
It looks like Gates doesn’t like democracy. ☺

Brandon Gates
Reply to  dbstealey
March 2, 2015 10:21 am

dbstealey,
I like our republican democracy just fine, thanks. It allows for things like publicly funded science, something which has served us quite well. The downside is that our duly elected representatives are increasingly going off the reservation and catering to the wishes of their campaign financiers. Still, in theory, it’s one person, one vote. As opposed to, say, holding stock in a publicly traded company where one’s vote is pro rata on the basis of shares owned.
Now, I like free markets and corporations just fine — I enjoy making money as much as the next person — but the idea of 100% privately funded research in an openly corporate oligarchy fills me with just as much dread as the thought of living in a Stalin-esque Union of American States.
Rep. Grijalva’s letters are a cause for concern regarding the freedom of academia to do research in this country no matter who is footing the bill. I’m not the only warmista who thinks so: http://variable-variability.blogspot.ch/2015/02/stop-all-harassment-of-all-scientists.html
It IS possible to speak out against the actions of democratically elected representatives without comparing them to throat-slitting terrorists. Though democracy and demagoguery do go hand in hand, the former does not rely on the latter to function well. And just because the latter is an observed emergent property of the former does not mean that panicky alarmist hyperbole is the optimal mode of public discourse on policy.
I’m hard-pressed to think of any WUWT regular who would disagree with me on principle save for the tendency to conclude that whatever an AGW believer writes must be wrong by default. Of course, in fairness I should note that being consistently principled is an issue for all of humanity, especially where tribalism is a factor. History’s best, least-violent, outcomes have always happened when cooler heads prevailed. And stayed attached, including in metaphor.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  dbstealey
March 2, 2015 10:46 am

RACookPE1978,

… the skeptics and realists who do not and cannot affect their decisions about anything …

So basically you’re pissed off that your voice has not been influential. I get that. My turn to offer three oft-repeated themes:
1) The planet doesn’t give a shit about your opinions.
2) People not listening to you is often, though not always, a function of how you express your opinion.
3) Doing science means doing science, not standing on a soapbox howling at the moon about how mainstream science is wrong — see again (1) and (2).

… except Muslim outreach by NASA – which is telling …

Yeah. Blatant xenophobia isn’t the road to mainstream credibility, though it does play well to the similarly-minded minority. And speaking of minorities, radical militant Islamic extremists are one. However, if your aim is to unduly inflame the passions of moderate Muslims everywhere — who arguably care for their violent counterparts even less than you do — by all means keep running your mouth.

Reply to  dbstealey
March 2, 2015 11:05 am

Gates says:
So basically you’re pissed off that your voice has not been influential. I get that.
And I get that you are even less influential. You certainly haven’t converted any readers to the globaloney side of the debate. Have you?
And whether or not you like ‘republican democracy’, you were still out-voted.☺
Maybe it’s time to start a revolution, after you lost that election by a 2 – 1 margin. You surely make a strong case for being revolting.☺ ☺ ☺

Brandon Gates
Reply to  dbstealey
March 2, 2015 1:05 pm

dbstealey,

You certainly haven’t converted any readers to the globaloney side of the debate. Have you?

If I have, which I seriously doubt, nobody has informed me that I’ve changed their opinion. The best I could ever hope for is to influence someone who is genuinely undecided. The entrenched are beyond anyone’s influence, as you so often point out yourself.
Is there a moderate middle capable of being influenced on this topic? Public opinion polling says, yes. The general theme is that political attitudes correlate strongly with beliefs about AGW, though unexpectedly (to me) since 2012, self-declared Independents as compared to Democrats and Republicans are the only bucket showing declining belief in the A of GW:
http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/qsrwnoqurem806mtwg2zva.png
A curiosity; those who self-describe as understanding global warming “very well” are least likely to ascribe it to human activity:
http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/xxxzc3f52e2zeq0qf_tncw.png
An oddity; Climategate stoked an immediate uptick in self-claims of “very well” understanding among Independents and Republicans, however, since 2011 Democrats apparently went on a tear of self-education and now lead the other two demographics as of 2014:
http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/j-cfjwfnikmvapqkic2h2g.png
Finally, this:
http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/dxjlow1acumxvmrsnkj7nq.png
Belief in the A of GW has not returned to pre-Climategate levels, but it’s within the MOE (+/- 4% at 95% confidence). The natural cause contingent by far showed the most action through Climategate, but also fell off quite a bit more steeply — implying that there is influence to be had amongst the undecideds, who as of 2014 stand at 13%, with error bars of course.
With 57% of Americans holding that GW is mainly due to A, and 40% saying N is the culprit as opposed to 2010 when the gap was indeed within the MOE (50% A, 46% N) it’s pretty clear to me that influence favors … not your camp … despite repeated claims otherwise.
As well, I’d be the last person to claim any significant influence on the trends, or indeed that I even understand the science “very well” — a bucket I’d reserve for domain experts if asked by a pollster. How I’d put it is “probably better than the average lay person, but I have no way of knowing for sure”.

Maybe it’s time to start a revolution, after you lost that election by a 2 – 1 margin.

Among the many ways in which you consistently fail to be an accurate mind-reader, my political party identification is one of them. The Democrats, not me, got their asses kicked in the midterms, more than usual for a midterm, and deservedly so. I was actually hoping for a filibuster-proof Republican majority in the Senate if only to ease gridlock and to see what the GOP would do with essentially full control of both houses of Congress.
Here, of course, you conflate influence on public opinion on AGW with policy influence. Way to tip your hand. You’re hardly ever one to miss your own foot with that scattergun of a keyboard, DB, I’ll grant you that much.

Reply to  dbstealey
March 2, 2015 1:38 pm

Gates,
Why did you delete the Gallup headline? :
Americans Most Likely to Say Global Warming Is Exaggerated
Who cares about global warming, anyway? That is the usual red herring/strawman argument by the ignoratii. Global warming has been occurring since the LIA. It’s natural, see?
The real argument is over man-made global warming [MMGW]. But you always avoid that argument, for one reason: there is NO credible measurement quantifying MMGW. None at all.
You keep arguing around the central point, because:
You’ve got nothin’.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  dbstealey
March 2, 2015 2:14 pm

dbstealey,

Why did you delete the Gallup headline? :
Americans Most Likely to Say Global Warming Is Exaggerated

I didn’t delete it; in fact, it’s completely human-readable in the link to that poll I posted in my addendum: http://www.gallup.com/poll/167960/americans-likely-say-global-warming-exaggerated.aspx
Why are you lying?

Who cares about global warming, anyway? That is the usual red herring/strawman argument by the ignoratii.

Having shot his foot, DB puts it in his mouth. And kicks over his bottomless bucket of red herring to boot. But well, so be it, here’s who cares:
http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/rjk_tnjrm0i0qw7kqm-wtq.gif

Global warming has been occurring since the LIA. It’s natural, see?

As you are so fond of lecturing here, correlation is not causation. Noting a trend in one and only one parameter in complete isolation of anything else is even less informative.
See again: magical thinking.

The real argument is over man-made global warming [MMGW].

Topic of this subthread — which, for the record, I did not introduce — is influence on policy by way of public opinion. And I believe I already went on record with RACookPE1978 on the topic of human opinion influencing physical outcomes: it doesn’t.

You keep arguing around the central point, because: You’ve got nothin’.

I can’t do a damn thing about whether or not you consider the evidence credible or not … my experience is that your personal incredulity is unassailable. And your tendency to change the subject remains ever incorrigible. Note how we’ve gone from talking about who’s more influential vis a vis opinion ….
http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/uzekjw8sdeyeifdekst6ka.gif
… to whose opinion is correct. And that, basically, your “evidence” for being correct is “recovery” from the LIA followed up with a wholly unsupported assertion that “I” have got nuthin’.
All of which is something I consider laughably transparent bullshit. YMMV … which it obviously does. And I note again that it’s not exactly gaining traction as much as you’d have us believe.

Reply to  dbstealey
March 2, 2015 7:56 pm

“Stil playing the man and not the ball, I see.”
Uh, no, dbstealey, that’s not at all what I did. As I explained, your link did not contain any real data or evidence, just a random blogger’s opinion. There was no “ball” there to speak of–just a man who happened to agree with you. Again–why on earth would you think that would be convincing to anyone who did not already agree with you? Why would you even bother to provide a link if it literally just went to some dude agreeing with your opinion, with no data or evidence to back it up?
I honestly would be fascinated by the answer to that question. And I have to wonder if perhaps the answer might reveal a lot about how you form your opinions, and what you believe is persuasive.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Chris
February 28, 2015 7:39 pm

Oh, Chris. Can you really have missed the point? We simply do not think the AGWers curiosity about Dr. Soon’s funding is genuine. We are “arguing” NOT that the question is irrelevant but that it is not sincere. The AGWers could not care less where his funding comes from! They are doing this just to HARASS him and, thereby, to INTIMIDATE other scientists into silence about the truth about CO2.
Just as most jihadists could not care less whether or not we infidels convert — “submit” or d1e is merely their way of taking over wealth/territory (using the expedient tactic of following the tenets of 1slam to the letter) —
so, too, the AGWers could not care less whether Soon gets his money from Big Oil or what-EVER — they just want him (et. al.) to shut up so they can, ultimately, take private property/wealth.

Reply to  Janice Moore
February 28, 2015 8:09 pm

LOL, Janice … little Chris is a junior ‘suicide-bomber’ who, instead, has pooped in his britches.

Reply to  Janice Moore
February 28, 2015 8:53 pm

Whereas comparing people who disagree with you to terrorists is a completely legitimate tactic that is in no way meany to harass or silence anyone.

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  Chris
February 28, 2015 10:00 pm

Chris

Whereas comparing people who disagree with you to terrorists is a completely legitimate tactic that is in no way meany to harass or silence anyone.

Well, you see, it is worse than that.
This administration has PROVED that it will attack (using the democrat Congress and the democrat Senators and the IRS and the EPA and (now) the FCC) its critics and its political opponents – for NO OTHER REASON than they are its opponents.
Now, the United States has real enemies: a nuclear-armed Iran extremist terrorist state, a re-conquered Iraq (after we had won and installed a democratically-elected government!), new Muslim extremist states in Nigeria, Oman, Yemen, (4 more ‘stan’s inside Russia), Pakistan, Afghanistan, Libya; a broken economy in communist Venezuela, a broken economy in North Korea now shooting intercontinental missiles over Japan and South Korea; a breaking economy in communist Cuba, a ever-growing nuclear-armed economy in communist China, a re-surging very aggressive communist Russia now invading its European neighbors – whom Obama refuses to arm with simple missile defenses and defend with regular arms), and a internally broken economy largely due to Obama failure of an energy program now 7 years old.
So, who does the Obama administration declare is its greatest enemy? Domestic terrorists (I.e. married conservative christian capitalist families!). What is its greatest international threat? Global warming – A perceived possible rise in gobal average temperatures now 1/2 of one degree over the past 80 years is its greatest international threat!
Yet you claim “we” (the skeptics) are declared terrorists? Well, no. Your administration has declared us worse than terrorists1
Right now, by their own words by the resident-in-Chief, the National Security Adviser, the Secretary of State, the DOD, the DOE and the (democrat) Senators in Congress, skeptics are declared MORE dangerous than nuclear-armed terrorist extremists!

Reply to  Janice Moore
February 28, 2015 9:46 pm

Chris February 28, 2015 at 8:53 pm
Whereas comparing people who disagree with you to terrorists is a completely legitimate tactic that is in no way meany to harass or silence anyone.

No such comparison was made. The actions of certain people attempting to intimidate and coerce others was compared. Two rather different things.

Jimbo
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 1, 2015 7:05 am

Chris
February 28, 2015 at 8:53 pm
Whereas comparing people who disagree with you to terrorists is a completely legitimate tactic that is in no way meany to harass or silence anyone.

Calm down. Some warmists have called for our execution etc. That is terror?

Aljazeera – 29 Jan 2010
Bin Laden deplores climate change
In audio tape obtained by Al Jazeera, al-Qaeda leader blames the US and industrial nations.
…..In the new recording, bin Laden says “all the industrial states” are to blame for climate change, “yet the majority of those states have signed the Kyoto Protocol and agreed to curb the emission of harmful gases”……

Reply to  Chris
February 28, 2015 9:41 pm

Chris February 28, 2015 at 7:21 pm
It’s also hilarious that after years of the most common refrain in the comments of this blog being some variation of “follow the money,”

I don’t recall any “follow the money” requests being issued by US Congressional representatives written in such a manner as to threaten and intimidate anyone. An observation and an implied threat are two different things.

Jimbo
Reply to  Chris
March 1, 2015 6:49 am

Chris, nearly all climate scientists need funding. The issue is scale. David V GOLIATH.comment image

DesertYote
Reply to  Chris
March 1, 2015 1:10 pm

:
Cherry pick much? The “follow the money” is a minor theme at best. Often (but not always) offered up by socialists who do not want, or are unable to see that it is not about money, but about pushing a disastrous political agenda that is sure to bring on another dark ages. The category of ‘the “follow the money” theme itself, as it periodically appears on this blog, is disjoint because most of the socialisticly leaning commenters ( commenters, a term which excludes trolls like you) can think for themselves. Their comments are not derived from a preprogrammed narrative. One of the compact sub-categories of this theme is to offer up an explain as to why there is so much provably bad science. I.e, the science is bad, so why would a scientist produce such bad science, because he got paid to do so. The determination that the science is bad comes FIRST. In no The sub-category of “he got money from someone we are attacking, therefore his science is bad” is never offered up on this blog. If it was, it would have been blasted out of the water.
BTW, you have just displayed one of the defining characteristics of a Marxist tool, a form of cognitive dysfunction. You select a few outlier data points, distort them to fit within your discontinuous world-view which you have been hardwired to do), and then use that to characterize the whole blog by mapping it to a mythological category that only exists with in the minds of Marxist tools.

masInt branch 4 C3I in is
February 28, 2015 7:32 pm

I stil wonder about the “Six Degrees” and the space between Michael E. Mann and MECHa Boy Rep. Raul Grijalva.
Grijalva wants to grow and preserve his position in AZ as a tomato Baron,
Mann want to grow and preserve is position at PSU as the big Penis on Campus, He has no fear of Title IX.
Hummm. Grjialva stands 5’4″ and Mann stands 5’4″.
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=MECHa+Boy+Rep.+Raul+Grijalva.&gbv=2&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ei=34byVKvqEMzUoATG14L4Cg&ved=0CBQQsAQ
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://cis.org/grijalva&sa=U&ei=34byVKvqEMzUoATG14L4Cg&ved=0CCIQFjAG&usg=AFQjCNHK2FM67SU32lNl9Kj2b9iV61fq7g
What a coincidence.
Looks like his children need a .. visit …
Ha Ha Ha Ha

Reply to  masInt branch 4 C3I in is
March 2, 2015 11:12 am

Just curious: How do you know that Mann is 5’4″?

David Archibald
February 28, 2015 7:33 pm
Zeke
Reply to  David Archibald
February 28, 2015 8:57 pm

Dave Archibald, American Thinker
“The Shi’ite strand of Islam believes in the Twelfth Imam, also known as the Hidden Imam and the Mahdi. The Hidden Imam is an historical figure born in 869 A.D. who disappeared in 941 A.D. His disappearance is referred to as the Occultation. Twelver Shi’ites believe that the Hidden Imam will appear, with Jesus Christ as his sidekick, to bring justice to the world. They also contend that they should hasten the return of the Hidden Imam by creating the proper conditions. This mainly involves slaughtering non-Moslems or forcing them to convert to Islam.”
Thanks for that interesting research. I had heard of the Twelfth Imam, but was not very informed about the details, or the contrast with Sunni beliefs. Just to be clear, the coming world leader in Biblical prophecy is the Anti-Christ. Christians are not waiting for a world leader. We are supposed to be warning about him because he is a great deceiver. A Man of Peace, for any Bob Dylan fans. (:
If I had any say – and I know I don’t – people would say, “The three great monotheistic religions are Judaism, Christianity, and Zarathustrianism.” They at a minimum confirm one God, uphold marriage, and do not have forcible conversion. It must be from the heart, of the free willing person.

PiperPaul
Reply to  Zeke
March 1, 2015 6:59 am

“Twelver Shi’ites believe that the Hidden Imam will appear, with Jesus Christ as his sidekick…”
Will there be a cute, talking fuzzy animal or a punning, beeping robot droid as well? Cause if there isn’t at least one of these, I’m not interested.

Zeke
Reply to  Zeke
March 1, 2015 9:37 am

Why don’t you ask a Shi’ite?

Michael Wassil
Reply to  Zeke
March 1, 2015 12:35 pm

Zeke February 28, 2015 at 8:57 pm
Zarathustrianism = Zoroastrianism. It’s unclear what his name actually was, Zoroaster is the Greek transliteration from the Avestan Zarathrustra, Persian Zartosht, or something similar. But the religion he founded is referred to as Zoroastrianism. It’s original Persian designation is unknown. Virtually all of it’s ideas are only extant in Greek writings.

Zeke
Reply to  Michael Wassil
March 1, 2015 1:07 pm

There are good reasons to use the original names! The Greek Hellenization of the ancient world was an aggressive, sustained cultural conquest, and it was a truly hostile experience for many people.
Here is the Zarathustrian experience with the Greeks, and Muslims:

“We must remember that the Avesta as it has come down to the modern Zoroastrian world is but a collection of fragments and texts preserved from a far greater whole. Zoroastrianism has suffered greatly from the destruction of its texts. First, in the conflagration set by Alexander the invader in 330 B.C. which destroyed the library at Persepolis, and later by invading Muslims/Arabs and then by Mongols.”

We have the mild saying, “What hath Athens to do with Jerusalem?” to remind us of the differences between the cultures. What was done to these people during Greek military conquest, subsequent Hellenization, and the Roman conquest, is most infamously remembered by the Jews. During the reign of Antiochus Epiphanes c. 160’s BC. He brought his statue of Zeus into the temple. This is known as the Abomination of Desolation for both Jews and Christians. The Hellenizers and Romans replaced the folk beliefs by first equating their local gods with a Roman equivalent, and then building their own temple and setting up their own idol. Antiochus Epiphanes equated God with Zeus and placed an idol of Zeus in Jerusalem. This equivalence of gods is an old Greek and Roman habit and is regular fare for academics and comparative mythologists to this day. But that is where the holiday Hannukah comes from.
If you would like to see the original, oldest texts of the Zarathustrians, go to avesta.org. There are only about 20 Yashts that are said to be the words of Zarathustra. These are in Avestan. The rest are commentary but I think some very ancient glosses are contained there.

Michael Wassil
Reply to  Zeke
March 1, 2015 8:47 pm

Zeke March 1, 2015 at 1:07 pm
The Greek Hellenization of the ancient world was an aggressive, sustained cultural conquest, and it was a truly hostile experience for many people.

No doubt. It also resulted in one of the greatest exchanges and mixing of cultural, political, philosophical and religious ideas prior to our own period.

February 28, 2015 8:06 pm

Deus ex machina … god from the machine
has become
deus a mathematica … god from the mathematics.

February 28, 2015 8:20 pm

There are some really good paragraphs in this article, but I can’t link to the article on my Facebook because of the Islamist jihad references, and the anti Obama and Hillary references at the beginning. I think most of my Facebook friends are liberal, and won’t get past the first couple paragraphs to get to the good stuff such as this:
“Indeed, one of the most prominent aspects of the climate imbroglio is the steadfast refusal of alarmist scientists to discuss or debate their findings with experts who argue that extensive, powerful natural forces – not human carbon dioxide emissions – drive Earth’s climate and weather. “Manmade disaster” proponents also refuse to divulge raw data, computer codes and other secretive work that is often paid for with taxpayer money and is always used to justify laws, treaties, regulations, mandates and subsidies that stifle economic growth, kill jobs and reduce living standards.”
I have linked to many articles on WUWT on Facebook and have rarely gotten more than 1 like… just sayin.
For some reason they just don”t want to “get into the weeds” on this stuff…

Eliza
February 28, 2015 8:22 pm

I think its all overhyped. Seriously there may be 200 hardcore skeptics here and other blogs reposting daily. probably about 500 hardcore alrmists. No one cares or is looking at AGW/climate change anymore. Notice its always the same names? LOL

David Ball
Reply to  Eliza
February 28, 2015 10:49 pm

So why is Obama pushing it so hard?

Reply to  Eliza
March 1, 2015 12:55 am

Except that this site draws millions of views each year … it matters not how many “hardcore” there are commenting, it matters more how many read the articles and the comments. In that statistic, the sceptic blogs are light-years ahead of the climate jihadis.

Reply to  Streetcred
March 1, 2015 1:32 am

You’re both right.
Lots of people have a mild curiosity and come to WUWT.
But the hard-core are few. Every survey puts climate change at the bottom of policy concerns.
There are many sceptics but not many passionate sceptics.

mpainter
Reply to  Streetcred
March 1, 2015 4:39 am

Hard-core is not a nice word to use for skeptics.

Reply to  Streetcred
March 1, 2015 12:34 pm

Sorry if it caused offence. I merely meant those who actively engage and I thought Eliza meant it in that sense too.
It is vivid and accurate language but I won’t use it if it’s troublesome.

ren
February 28, 2015 10:11 pm

Does the New York and Boston Is prepared to blizzards?

ren
February 28, 2015 10:25 pm

March 5 after a short thaw the frost returns over the Great Lakes and East Coast of the US.

Grey Lensman
February 28, 2015 10:46 pm

OK, So when does the actual fight back begin.
When will Prof. Roger Pielke stand his ground. When will Willie Soon go for the jugular at the Smithsonian, when will Anthony stop apologizing.?
Climate fear is a fraud and a scam. Untold billions squandered and stolen yet nobody says boo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Free renewable energy provides expensive unreliable electricity at four times the price. Proven.
The population of Denmark reduced to being bike riders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

knr
March 1, 2015 1:22 am

Its always been notable with ‘the cause ‘ that one aspect it share with religion, along with a need for an evil other and dogma, is that like all religions it treats heretics , that is those that believe but fail to do so in the right way or without question, worse than they treat those that do not believe at all. Has these ‘heretics’ are seen has a much bigger threat to the ‘true religion’

ren
March 1, 2015 2:04 am

The increased radiation accurately indicates the direction of the circulation of the northern hemisphere, and explains why in America is cold, heat in Europe.comment image
https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2015/02/28/noaa-1913-low-min-records-broken-272-tied-from-2015-02-19-to-2015-02-25/

Unmentionable
Reply to  ren
March 1, 2015 3:02 am

Very interesting ren, look forward to some time series comparisons.

ren
Reply to  Unmentionable
March 1, 2015 7:29 am