Climate Depot reports that another prominent green, Robert F. Kennedy Junior, has called for climate “deniers” to be jailed. Is it just me, or is there something very wrong with a political landscape in which people find it acceptable to demand their opponents be jailed for disagreeing with them? Watch the video.
RFK Jr wants to jail energy CEO’s for “Treason” Laments no current laws to punish climate skeptics:
RFK Jnr is not alone in demanding people who disagree with him do time – the Google search http://google.com/search?q=jail+climate+deniers returns over 200,000 hits.
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Control freak cowards of the world, you are not alone.
Unbelievable.
The Koch brothers have already committed enough corporate crimes to be in jail if we had a justice system that worked. I am only surprised that they have not gotten more money from the US government.
randyjet, read and heed:
MSNBC panel calls Democrats’ Koch brothers obsession ‘ridiculous’ http://redalert.io/1rvKV6P
Sorry, randyjet, I don’t know enough about the Koch bros to comment on them.
I do know enough, however to say that labelling people ‘deniers’ , with the vastly unpleasant connotations to the holocaust that carries, & calling for them to be jailed, is a cry so unjust, anti-democratic & foolish as to be ludicrous.
Fascism here we come.
Here in the UK, our moronic PM, David Cameron, has, in a UN speech, labelled people calling for 9/11 truth as ” Non-Violent Extremists”.
To seek the truth is now an extremist position ?
Fascism has already arrived.
I am flabbergasted where ‘they’ find such idiots to warm the chairs & spout the nonsense of high office.
JD.
At least he labels them “non violent”. Which is more than our leader does to anyone who questions him.
Name one.
“…contemptible human beings”. Well that’s nice.
Perfect projection.
Quite something coming from a family of crooked women exploiting, drug using/dealing, drunks isn’t it??
He ought to know contemptible human beings since his family are prime examples
Hey, at least we are Human! That is actually a step up, in most cases. LOL
Interesting though that it is a crime to raise a false alarm, such as yelling “fire” in a crowded theater, and causing mass panic.
Crying “fire” in a crowded theatre was provided as the exception to free speech in a famous US Supreme Court case. So the world is not a crowded theatre, but political decisions have consequences, and when “the jig is up” and the Climate Catastrophe is finally exposed, will the false prophets be held to account? Probably not, as their belief system is like a religion. It will be interesting to note what defenses will be given.
I took Bill’s point to be that inciting panic (in this case, over CAGW) is an exception to free speech, but RFK Jr. wants to make the sane counter-argument to a cry of ‘FIRE’ the illegal speech.
No defense is required. According to the gospel, any change in global climate, hotter or colder, is primarily influenced by the CO2 emitted by man. The CAWG church has covered their bases.
Actually there is a word left out tin that often quoted decision. The decision was that is was illegal to cry “fire” in a crowded theater FALSELY.
No worries though. The Day of Reckoning is coming.
The defense of CAGW alarmists will be that it is a religion, not science and only requires faith to believe in, therefore they cannot be persecuted for their religious beliefs.
Sigh. The ‘yelling “fire” in a crowded theater’ case was overturned 40 years ago, back when Global Cooling was the big scare. Please stop using it.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-time-to-stop-using-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/
Thank you very much for the link and education Mr. Peter Austin.
Please at least render the argument properly. You omitted the critical word falsely yelling fire in a crowded theater, or any theater, for that matter..
You would just let them all sit there and burn?
My mistake. You did say false alarm
How about deniers having to wear some kind of identifying label or badge?
Would he agree to that as a measure?
I have the awful suspicion the answer is “yes”……………..
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P.S. Could “contemptible human beings” be considered sub-human in any sense?
It is on that particular road isn’t it?…A “spectrum” of worthiness conditions as it were…
While this comment may be one of my personal favorites, I think we all need to be careful to start in with the Nazi parallels. The warmists have used that tactic for years, and there is no reason for us to go and slither in the gutter with them.
Indeed Jake, I would tend to agree.
However, I am NOT actually saying he IS a Nazi but I don’t see why the question shouldn’t be put in the terms I have to at least get a sense of where his thoughts might lie.
Fair point though Jake.
“Sieg Heil Mein Furher” was exactly what I was thinking as well watching that. That whole “freedom of speech” thing is just so 1700s. I guess when they can’t win with facts, reason and logic they get violent.
First they ignore you, then they mock you, then the get violent with you, then you win.
So next step is that they lose and they know it. They are getting increasingly desperate.
Except that these people are gradually installing governments that think like they do. And eventually, they will get what they want, before “you win”.
There’s been any number of Villagers, in their comments, requesting the jailing (or worse) of climate scientists. What’s good for the goose is, surely, good for the gander?
Ganders are already in jail, peeking on inmates.
Anonymous comments? Is that all you’ve got? Come on, please do better.
Me do better. Just let Wasted RFK junior do it all for me.
Village Idiot
September 24, 2014 at 12:27 am
“There’s been any number of Villagers, in their comments, requesting the jailing (or worse) of climate scientists”
I don’t belive you. You’re a liar.
A small and varied selection:
Ally E: Sooner or later Mann is going to go too far and find himself embroiled in a case he cannot back out of. As for him stalling other cases, I want to see him facing prison for contempt of Court
Blade: In my opinion every single person you listed there (plus a lot more) should be waterboarded, tried, convicted and sentenced to hard labor for attempting to and sometimes successfully defrauding the taxpayers
Tom J: Anyway, threaten all those who are depressed about global warming that their depression will have to be treated with Citalopram. Voila, the CAGW nonsense will cease to exist [Read comment to understand context]
richardscourtney: I have repeatedly pointed out that this global warming propaganda aimed at children is child abuse
DirkH: As AGW believers are the governments, they don’t need to be terrorists. They can use the taxpayer money they steal to fund terrorism if need be; in all other cases they can use police force and regular military to force the population to worship them
I don’t feel Alarmists should go to jail for holding their views.
However there are examples where they should perhaps face specific charges. For example, some of the temperature “adjustments” seem like “falsifying the public record,” and, “misuse of public funds.” If it could be proven that this was done for pay, under the orders of a politician, further charges might be brought.
The charges would have to be specific, and the charged person would have their day in court, and allowed all the benefits of due process of law.
Never would it be a case of jailing a person for having an opinion.
Village Idiot,
Well you certainly live up to your name if you can’t see the difference between calling for people who commit actual prosecutable offenses (fraud, abuse of the court system, etc) face the consequences of their actions vs calling for people to go to jail simply for the crime of having a contray opinion
DirkH
In support of your untrue assertion that
you say
Yes, I have repeatedly pointed out that it is child abuse to tell children that their pets will be drowned, their homes destroyed and they will be separated from their parents and, therefore, it is child abuse to show children the adverts and films which say that.
My statement is a clear and unambiguous assertion that such evil adverts and films should not be directed at children.
My clear and unambiguous statement is not – and is nothing like – “requesting the jailing (or worse) of climate scientists”.
If somebody objected to a pornographic advert for baked beans then that would not be a request for the jailing (or worse) of people who grow beans.
Richard
DirkH
SINCERE APOLOGIES.
My post should have been addressed to ‘Village Idiot’ and not you.
Please accept my humble apology for the error and for the insult.
Richard
Climategate contains evidence of possible criminal acts – Phil Jones escaped prosecution, according to the UK Information Commissioner, because a ridiculously short statute of limitations for the law he is alleged to have broken.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_documents
“The Information Commissioner’s Office stated that “the prima facie evidence from the published e-mails indicate an attempt to defeat disclosure by deleting information. It is hard to imagine more cogent prima facie evidence. … The fact that the elements of a [FOIA] section 77 offence may have been found here, but cannot be acted on because of the elapsed time, is a very serious matter.””
Hey IDIOT, these comments(and worse) started with climate/alarmist/polys for years , I’ve been told I should be killed just for posting data on blogs years ago, so go [snip] your gander.
My local paper thought it would be funny if I got killed. I no longer even look at my local papers that arrive at my door. They have ostracized me.
Village Idiot:
“Any number” of comments??
Add me to the list of those who think you are a liar. I’ll retract and apologize — if you can post credible examples, comparable to the despicable R.F. Kennedy’s comment.
He can’t or he would have. The fact is that questionable anonymous comments (if they exist at all) could have been planted by the village idiot himself.
I would like to see people who have misused public funds and lied, and falsified/altered data, and created an exaggerated warming where there is none be forced to pay back the public funds they used, or do jail time as an alternative. I believe that people who have broken laws and lied should be in jail.
In contrast, these nutcases believe that people they DISAGREE WITH should be in jail.
In the same way, I believe in all of the free-speech possible. It outs nut-jobs, because they never know when to stop talking. These nutcases would block my ability to speak.
It’s bizarre that any thinking non-trolling human would think otherwise.
plus one
DB, this is the criteria. A call to prosecute those who knowingly withheld data, or presented knowingly false data, and in affect caused public policy demanding monetary assets from innocent citizens, is radically different then calling for someone to be jailed just because they disagreed. (So please do not apologize if the only examples found are calls to prosecute fraudulent behavior.)
You said it very well. There is a distinction that must be made between jailing someone for having an opinion, and jailing someone for specific deeds, (such as falsifying data or misusing funds.)
you are right
Village Idiot represents the idiot faction quite well.
Doesn’t represent the village so well though.
Wait, so you’re comparing postings on a message board to something said in a news interview by someone who not only is a leader in the “green movement”, but is a member of a very prominent political family? Uh, okay.
No, they should be tried for fraud, racketeering and taxpayer-money laundering. Let the juries decide the punishment.
Yes, here is one: http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/epa-climate-policy-expert-sentenced-32-months-fraud-20131219
The EPA’s highest-paid employee and a leading expert on climate change was sentenced to 32 months in federal prison Wednesday for lying to his bosses and saying he was a CIA spy working in Pakistan so he could avoid doing his real job.
Beale pled guilty in September to bilking the government out of nearly $1 million in salary and other benefits over a decade. He perpetrated his fraud largely by failing to show up at the EPA for months at a time, including one 18-month stretch starting in June 2011 when he did “absolutely no work,” as his lawyer acknowledged in a sentencing memo filed last week.
When Huvelle asked Beale what he was doing when he claimed he was working for the CIA, he said, “I spent time exercising. I spent a lot of time working on my house.”
He also said he used the time “trying to find ways to fine tune the capitalist system” to discourage companies from damaging the environment. “I spent a lot of time reading on that,” said Beale.
Prosecutor Jim Smith said Beale’s crimes made him a “poster child for what is wrong with government.”
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Then there is this: http://johnosullivan.wordpress.com/2012/06/14/un-climate-scientists-plead-for-immunity-from-criminal-prosecution/
Climate researchers working for the United Nations have issued an astonishing plea for immunity from prosecution. Government-funded personnel sought the ruling on the eve of the latest round of international climate talks scheduled for Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (June 20, 2012).
The United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) issued it’s formal request for immunity from prosecution to “protect” researchers who have provided “evidence” supportive of the man-made global warming scare story. The perplexing plea will likely reverberate throughout the general scientific community as further affirmation that many climate scientists were not conducting honest research after all.
Well i think anybody who refuses to give up their latest Iphones and cars
to save the planet should also be jailed for crimes against the planet
and their Saudi owned private luxury super yachts to take down to Rio to watch the World Cup.
Like “green” diCaprio’s boat?
http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/leonardo-dicaprio-topaz-super-yacht-brazil-world-cup__oPt.jpg
Leo DiCaprio seems to be the poster boy for conspicuous in your face consumption. There is no issue with global warming, there is an issue with over consumption of the world’s resources. How much is Leo’s fair share?
Curious that DiCaprio is a spokesperson for the AGW movement. Well may be not, Al Gore is another spokesperson.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=leonardo+dicaprio%27s+house&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&biw=1920&bih=903&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=rwojVOKfD67wigKn9oCgBg&ved=0CBwQsAQ
William Astley
September 24, 2014 at 11:29 am
“Curious that DiCaprio is a spokesperson for the AGW movement. ”
Thanks for the details. Looks like he’s as money savvy as MC Hammer. We need guys like him to work for the climate confessors. It undermines their cause better than any climate model failure.
Leo Dicaprio is the UN Messenger of Peace for climate change issues. Hypocrite or not, that is the question? The UN and the EU sounds like a great private club. How does one join?
http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/21/leonardo-dicaprio-pauses-private-jets-yachting-with-oil-rich-sheikhs-to-join-peoples-climate-march/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/16/leonardo-dicaprio-messenger-peace_n_5830564.html
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mhj45ieme/leonardo-dicaprio-2/
Di Caprio is only one hypocrite. He was preceded in Copenhagen during COP-15 by another hypocrite, Brad Pitt:
http://www.stephentaylor.ca/images/brad-pitt-copenhagen2.jpg
Who ever really owns it, impressive, ten marine diesel engines, count them stacks! It also has knobs!
“A capital ship for an ocean trip. Was The Walloping Window Blind; No gale that blew dismayed her crew. Or troubled the captain’s mind…”
W^3
yes, the challenge to them is to turn off the electricity completely, after all, 90% of the world’s electricity is produced by coal fired power plants. ergo, turn off your electricity and the bad coal fired power plants will shut down. just a theory. but lets see if the super rich will turn off the power, or that just the responsibility of us little people??????
Manya true word… http://viz.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Public_Spoiling_Planet.jpg
One of the benefits of freedom of speech is that cranks like this easily identify themselves. Clearly he is a very shallow reader and just accepts any bs pushed at him. Well the world moved past people like him thousands of years ago. I can imagine him saying fire is too dangerous. People who advocate fire should be kept in a cave. Nothing wrong with raw dinosaur meat and raw seeds.
He does not seem to grasp that the world advances by asking questions not by blocking them.
That is the fatal flaw in warmist post modern science. They thought they could impose silence and avoid questions on their manipulated data.
What is actually happening is we are denying him his right to a green lifestyle paid for by others. Never trust a cornered rent-seeker.
What do you expect from a scion of a criminal clan?
From a successful criminal clan? A little more intelligence.
This was brought up two days ago on another popular climate thread:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/09/22/more-than-310-thousand-people-with-skewed-priorities-flood-new-york/#comment-1744182
Read further upthread.
I never read comments before responding to the article as I don’t wish to be influenced by what I read. I certainly don’t wish to be censured by peer pressure before I’ve even written my response. Otherwise I’m not expressing myself but expressing others through myself. What is the point of that?
Is this Camelot Clansman still in the party called “democratic” ? If so, strongly suggest he Googles up the meaning of the word…
It is not called the “democratic” party. It is called the “democrat” party.
It rhymes with “rat.”
and scat.
And twastard. Just not very well.
The guy doesn’t look very well at all.
You have to feel sorry for him . He will never be the man his father was and he has to live with that fact all his days . His father’s assassination permanently disabled him mentally. There is a thoughtful essay in National Review on his comments that is both condemning , but also fairly sympathetic to RFK’s mental state.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/388595/robert-kennedy-jr-aspiring-tyrant-charles-c-w-cooke
mikewaite
I suspect you may be right when you say
However, compassion for him does not include ignoring or accepting his words.
His words are likely to be noticed and unthinkingly agreed by some because his family and fortune convey respectability to him.
But his words are vile. They are an attack on the human Spirit. People and peoples develop, advance, and correct their errors by considering the views of others. Often the consideration confirms existing opinion, but sometimes it indicates need for adjustment of existing opinion. Refusal to allow consideration of other views prevents improvement of existing views and, thus, it solidifies things being ‘as they are’.
Stultifying change and development may be desirable for those such as Robert F. Kennedy Junior who are ‘born with a silver spoon in the mouth’. All others have reason to oppose it.
Richard
Someone haunted by past family tragedy and past drug abuse that excuses the attitudes of an arrogant green bandwagon jumping pathetic whinging egotist who cant live up to the long gone stellar reputation of his family dynasty.
Privilege and arrogance are in the genes, it started with his grampa who used his gov’t position to smuggle rum during the prohibition, then used that wealth to buy his 2nd favorite son the presidency, using his dead oldest & favorite son as a sympathy vehicle. Had JFK not been shot he would have gone down as one of the worst presidents in history all the while making Clinton look like a saint morally. But Oswald secured the sympathy factor for perpetuity. Poor RFK (Sr) was just an also ran in a genetic cesspool, no real talent nor malice, just lukewarm nothingness carrying a mantle that he didn’t understand. Some say RFK Sr was more sensitive and at times embarassed by his family’s legacy of crass corruption and moral hypocrisy.
Brilliant.
Ooopsy – that was to be a reply to mikewaite
I expect it to get worse. As the so-called pause continues and frustration mounts, you will see more and more of this sort of stuff.
Peter I will give you the respect of believing that you speak truthfully for yourself, but I don’t believe your option of the run of alarmists is correct. Most “scientists” on your side have too much at stake personally to change. They do not show a hint of proper scientific attitude where being proven wrong is a victory for science.
Now a couple of questions.
Where in the observational record have you ever found proof that co2 rises before temperature in the atmosphere?
Where is your proof that 2 degrees of warming is detrimental to anyone or thing?
I would also like your opinion on my belief that “your side” uses outright lies and fabricates evidence in the name of the greater cause. Do you consider this practice science?
He wishes there were a law to lock up innocent people ? This guy is dangerous.
It’s called the Drug War, and happens all the time. Even growing plants is now illegal.
My cousin’s son is addicted to marijuana. I’ve seen it destroy his life. I wouldn’t say such drug use is “innocent”.
This guy is dangerous.
That kind of thinking is dangerous. What we often see here is the evil side of human nature.
Machiavelli wrote, “Men are bad unless compelled to be good.” The Enlightenment was an attempt to overcome this sort of evil thinking. It only partially succeeded. Now, things are going the wrong way again.
Is there really any fundamental difference between R.F. Kennedy and the ISIS savages, brutally murdering people by the hundreds at a time simply for the ‘crime’ of being drafted into the army? Sawing off heads just because they can sets an excellent example for everyone. It would probably work with deniers, too.
Kennedy isn’t really much different. You can tell he’s filled with rage. If he could get away with it, I have little doubt that he would saw off a few heads himself, to set an example. To save the planet, of course. What are a few heads by comparison to that great good?
One could easily argue that the CAGW movement has already killed far more people than ISIS could ever hope to kill.
And they did it innocuously and without knives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy,_Jr.
Using drug and probably alcohol abuse to excuse the attitudes of an arrogant pathetic whinging egotist.
Terry Gilliam wants capitalists to be shot (*); so RFK is relatively sane on a scale of genocidal ambitions. He only wants to jail skeptics to exploit them in the US prison-industrial complex. As opposed to Stalin’s Gulag, you are not worked to death there within three years. So that’s some progress amongst the progressives.
(*) http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/09/22/Filmmaker-Terry-Gilliam-Short-Sighted-Capitalists-Should-Be-Shot
The precedent was set with Prohibition. “We don’t like your choice of intoxicants and if you continue we will jail you.” Intoxicant prohibition is a declining force. Other ideas for the use of all those SWAT teams will arise.
You beat me to it. I just said the same thing above.
The sad thing about Prohibition is that it made respect for the Law shrink.
The Law, if written by the people for the people, should be honored even if you disagree. You can change the Law in the USA by democratic processes.
It is interesting to note that the Kennedy fortune was founded, to some degree, on bootlegging. When the roots feed from a soil of disrespect for the law, it is hard to grow branches and fruit that respect the law, unless it is a far less civilized law-of-the-jungle.
There is even some evidence that John Kennedy’s election as president was based on voter fraud in Chicago. The law of one-vote-for-one-man was not respected. Democrats were not democratic.
The law as written by our founding fathers is beautiful and worthy of respect. Those that mock it have never come up with a better system, and usually create a system that, one way or another, leads to ruin for themselves, and also their children and grandchildren.
I hope the Kennedy’s keep this all in the family, and don’t drag down others as they reap what they have sown.
Sorry Peter but you cheered zealous idiots like him and Al Gore on in the first place.Are you the Hugh Hefner complaining about Climate Porn being too explicit.
Want to jump off the overloaded AGW band wagon before the wheels fall off.
You learned about JFK, Jr from Wikipedia? Well, I hope you don’t do your legal research there….
Yes, Peter…. JFK Jr. deserved no cheering, especially at his FUNERAL
LOL!
when you jail someone for what they think or what they believe it’s called Fascism.
Well, they imprisoned Galileo for claiming the earth went round the sun not vice-versa as was the then current belief. So what’s different now, lets imprison all those who have the audacity to challenge the current belief. A good historical precedent!
They jailed Galileo for mocking the pope. The science stuff was just an excuse.
Actually he wasn’t mocking the Pope – it is just that the Pope thought he was – which is even worse!
It wasn’t mocking. He just said the Pope was wrong.
Extreme environmental groups are using AGW and their belief in the green energy fairy tale to push policies that will lead to the economic collapse of the developed countries if our politicians do not stop this anti CO2, green scam, anti industrial development madness. Extreme environmentalists do not understand what the problems are and most certainly do not understand how to solve the problems.
Ironically if CO2 emissions and AGW were a real problem which they are not, nuclear power would be the solution. Regardless, nuclear power is the long term energy solution and money spent on optimizing the US fourth generation reactor design will smooth the eventually transition and will create real jobs, rather than dot.com jobs that disappear when the money feeding the madness runs out (see US conversion of corn to ethanol for a great example of green madness)
Green energy is a scam. It does not work from an economic or an engineering standpoint. We have wasted trillions of dollars on green scams which have resulted in almost no significant reduction in CO2 emissions. Jim Hansen quote:
P.S. CO2 emissions are not an environmental or a climate problem. There is however real need for viable, safe long term, energy source.
Intermittent and in the case of wind random energy sources cannot substantially reduce CO2 emission. To significantly reduce CO2 emissions, intermittent energy sources require energy storage which increases the cost of the system by more than a factor of 10 if there was a energy storage system that could store sufficient energy which there is not. Engineering problems (see bearing problems in large wind turbines for a good example of an engineering problem that is not going away) do not disappear because you ignore them. There are no magic wands that to solve engineering problems. Throwing more money at the green scam will not change them into viable solutions. Sometimes there are unsolvable, limiting engineering problems.
The US tested a fourth generation nuclear reactor design in 1988. The fourth generation reactor design is fail safe and will shut down on loss of cooling power. The prototype design tests were successful. Power was shut off to the reactor cooling system, the prototype reactor shutdown in a controlled manner, as it is fail safe. The fourth generation design used liquid sodium for cooling and is hence not pressurized.
The US fourth generation nuclear reactor design will roughly a 1000 times more energy per pound of uranium as it it can fission U238 in addition to U235 (and almost all other fissionable materials) and produces roughly a 100 times less radioactive waste as it fissions all most all fissionable material in the reactor.
There is sufficient fissionable material readily available to power all countries on the earth for roughly a billion years, using fourth generation nuclear reactors.
http://pandoraspromise.com/
Break Through: From the Death of Environmentalism to the Politics of Possibility
“Ironically if CO2 emissions and AGW were a real problem which they are not, nuclear power would be the solution.”
So true, so true. And this is the root cause of my skepticism. If you accept AGW is a problem, why would you reject the quickest and surest solution?
Perhaps a solution is not the goal.
Because you’re an acolyte of Paul Ehrlich?
“Giving society cheap, abundant energy … would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun. – Paul Ehrlich”
This man’s emotional ability to unbiasly examine evidence was cruelly removed from his persona, not once but three time, by those who wished to stifle free speech and the exchange of sometimes radical ideas. While I look upon Camelot with a “say what?” attitude, the man must be allowed to present his opinions at will in a free nation. Let him speak his mind. It doesn’t bother me at all that he wishes I were cooling my redheaded (now admittedly from a cover-the-gray-box-of-dye) unruly Irish locks in jail. And this from a long time fascination with the Kennedy (green clover Irish) and Bouvier (Royal Dutch and proud of it) family dynasty. A biography of the Bouvier family was my first biography read as a Jr High student in Lostine, Oregon. I’m Catholic, it was required reading.
And for those of you desperate for minutia, the second biography I read was about Tom McCall, titled “Ranch Under the Rimrock”. As it turns out, life is for me, stranger than fiction.
Unbelievabel! What an Eco-Fascist ! Oh Lord, please help him,let raining brain!
Any Greens in favour of free speech?
Absolutely. Greens are completely in favor of free speech for Greens. Everyone else should be in jail.