Climate Cycles, Climate Mechanisms and Determining Accurate Dates

Guest opinion: Dr. Tim Ball | When Did It Occur?

Lack of information is a major problem in reconstructing and understanding climate and climate mechanisms. H.H.Lamb gave it as his reason for creating the Climatic Research Unit (CRU).

“…it was clear that the first and greatest need was to establish the facts of the past record of the natural climate in times before any side effects of human activities could well be important.”

Notice he is talking about “the facts”, which includes data and other measures. Chief among the other measures are accurate chronologies, which is why he discusses dates and dating methods at some length in Volume 2 of his Climate, Present, Past and Future.

Lamb also divided climate studies into three major areas based on time and method. The secular or instrumental period covers at most 100 years. Few stations are longer and almost all are in Western Europe or eastern North America. The historical period includes the recorded works of humans and covers at most 3000 years. The biologic/geologic record covers the remainder of time. The degree of accuracy diminishes both in measures, such as temperature and precision of dates, as you go back in time. One tragedy of the “hockey stick” rarely discussed was that it misused and demeaned the value of one of the few measures that transcends two or three of these divisions.

Climate is the study of change over time, or average conditions in a region. It is almost impossible to study climate change without accurate dates. For example, a major debate in climatology is the extent to which climate is cyclical. If the dates of events are inaccurate, it is not possible to determine the length of cycles and how they interact. You can, and likely will, draw completely wrong conclusions.

For example, I participated in a fur trade history conference when a paper by an historian claimed ice conditions on Lake Michigan occurred at very different dates than today and were proof of climate change. His source was a fur trader’s journal. Questioning revealed he was unaware that the fur trader used a Julian Calendar and the British government changed to the Gregorian Calendar in 1752, adding eleven days. (Figure 1)

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Calendar changes are just one example of disconnects, between our thinking, understanding, teachings, and reality. Calendars are essentially fixed, human constructs, while nature is constantly changing. The Egyptians, among others, struggled with this problem. Their calendar had 12 months of 30 days, which was so out of phase with reality after 400 years they simply declared a holiday for the missing five days. Later, they decided that flooding of the Nile, critical to their food production, was the beginning and end of their year. They tied it to a physical event, namely the rising of the Dog Star, Sirius.

The Egyptian change was triggered by the growing discrepancy with natural events. The change from Julian to Gregorian was mostly pushed by the gap between the agricultural seasons and natural events. Annual climate change is problematic, but it becomes even more complex when dealing with segments of the year, such as seasons. Most significant dates in the human calendar are related to the interaction between climate, nature and food supply. The Farmers Almanac and much folklore is accumulated empirical information about agriculture, the weather and climate. The problem is so much of it is related to a specific region. For example, English proverbs say, “If the leaves do not fall before St Martin’s (November 11), expect a cold winter.” Or, A green Christmas, a fat churchyard.” It is apparent these are related to the pattern of the Circumpolar Vortex, but the impact depends on the latitude and the longer climate pattern of the time. Conditions were quite different between the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) and the Little Ice Age (LIA). The problem is exacerbated when the proverb was created in Europe and was then transposed to another part of the world.

Another problem for calendars, and dating in general, is establishing a datum. The millennium change to the 21st century triggered much discussion about eliminating AD and BC. Radiocarbon dating, discussed later, established January 1st 1950 AD as the base year and called it 1950 BP for Before Present. The switch to the new millennium was interesting because it ushered in the era of exploitation of extreme alarmism. Known as Y2K, many claimed computers would fail because of the inability to switch to the new date sequence. They scared people so much that everyone celebrated in the wrong year. Technically, the new millennium begins in 2001, but the celebration occurred in 2000. Maybe we should have a calendar that begins with the Big Bang, but then, what would the error range be?

Robert Claiborne wrote a book (1978) titled Climate, Man and History. It received little academic attention because Claiborne was, to say the least, a man of eclectic interests. He was too diversified for the increasingly narrow, specialized, academic world. The book intrigued me because it addressed an issue that troubled me, namely that I was getting different dates and sequences of events in different university courses. Claiborne noted that anthropologists were on a different time-scale than glaciologists and climatologists. As I recall, he wanted to do a doctoral thesis on the subject, but it was rejected, so he wrote the book instead.

Two Dating Categories in Climate

Lamb identified Absolute and Relative as the two major divisions of dating in climate studies. They are the same divisions anthropologists use as they try to create an accurate chronology for pre-history. It is mandatory for understanding cause and effect.

Relative Dating is the simplest because it relates events to a fixed or known date. For example, in parts of North America archeologists, a branch of physical anthropology, determine if an event is pre- or post Mazama. This is reference to a layer of volcanic ash laid down across the continent by eruption of Mt Mazama, now marked by the enormous caldera filled by Crater Lake.

Relative Dating is dependent on Absolute Dating. Technically, all you can say accurately is that an event occurred before or after the Absolute Dating event. Of course, this assumes Absolute Dating has an absolute precision, but that is not the case.

Problems occur because of the early assumption that certain natural events occur with an absolute precision. This created many problems and caused many changes in understanding sequences of events. Two examples will illustrate them as they relate to climate.

Radiocarbon dating was developed from concepts proposed by Willard Libby in 1933, however, they only became established after WW II. It was quickly adopted by archaeology and gradually intruded into other disciplines, where sequence and timing of events was critical.

Milankovitch created a cycle of climate conditions that indicated a glaciation sequence in Alaska. Radiocarbon dating of trees for a region conflicted with his chronology. Since radiocarbon was ‘new’ and ‘more scientific’ it over rode Milankovitch. Prior to 1950, his theory was generally accepted, but after that it was rejected. I recall conferences in the 1960s and 70s at which any reference of a cyclical trend to Milankovitch was automatically rejected. His son, in a poignant article about his father’s lifework, claimed he died of a broken heart. It was not until the late 1980s that I heard a paper referencing Milankovitch, with no challenge.

Milakovitch_cycleFigure 2

Part of the reason for the change was that an error in assumption about radiocarbon dating was discovered. As one article explains,

Every scientific method has its limitations. This is because the fundamental assumptions or axioms, on which a method like carbon dating is based, are only approximately true or accurate. All the physical laws we know have limits of validity. The fact that scientific methods like these, fail beyond a certain domain of approximation, doesn’t make them redundant. It only means that these need to be used with caution and with a knowledge of the limits of their accuracy.

Most forms of absolute dating involve supposedly precise measurable rates of a natural process, like the rate of decay of carbon 14. It sounds precise, but all measures are presented with a range, which increases as you extend back, to the maximum range of the technique, 60,000 years. A classic example is the radiocarbon dates for the Shroud of Turin, which are given as 1260-1390 AD with a 95 percent confidence; the range of 130 years covers most of the modern instrumental record. It is a good example because the fervent and political interest means the problems and limitations of the method are discussed to an extreme level. A computer search for absolute dating methods returns many sources from a creationist perspective. Ironically, this vulnerability illustrates the problems with scientific dating techniques.

Another form of radioactive decay and the one most widely used, is Potassium/Argon (K-Ar) dating. This measures the measures the decay of Potassium- 40 to Argon-40. A list of the assumptions required for reasonable results was set out by McDougall and Harrison (1999), and puts severe limitations on the viability of the results. A general claim is an accuracy of one percent, which sounds good. However, one percent of one million years is 10,000 years and in climate that effectively covers the Holocene. In reality, none of these so-called precise methods, even radiocarbon dating, are accurate enough for climate studies.

The Holocene is an example of another problem related to dating and climate. When did it begin? Who decided what temperature threshold was met and when? Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) advocates exploit this problem of dating when it suits them. For example, they claim the Medieval Warm Period or the Little Ice Age did not occur because evidence shows they were not uniformly global. Climate studies try to deal with this by the procedure of relative homogeneity. In my study of climate at Churchill, Manitoba I also examined the climate at York Factory, 220 km apart, to determine and separate regional from local change.

This article cannot cover all the forms and methods of establishing absolute or relative dating. Its goal is to raise the issue of the limits of the methods and subsequent accuracy. Both are essential to understanding climate and especially climate change. However, a brief list of those that have influenced climate change studies includes: Rhythmites, such as sediment layers, tree rings, and ice layers; Lichenometry, is based on the rate of growth of lichens, which is assumed to be slow and constant; and Palynology that counts the number of pollen types in a core to provide a relative sequence of changing vegetation. Notice the dangers of autocorrelation because all of these are caused by climate change.

The right century may be enough accuracy for a shroud, but is inadequate for a climate study. Accurate dating is essential for establishing the relationship between events. The specific periodicities are crucial in achieving accurate prediction and establishing correct relationships of cause and effect. Lamb’s concerns are just as valid today as when he expressed them. If anything, they are a bigger problem because people use them without understanding the limitations. As the earlier quote said,

The fact that scientific methods like these, fail beyond a certain domain of approximation, doesn’t make them redundant. It only means that these need to be used with caution and with a knowledge of the limits of their accuracy.

 

Amen!

Horus non numero nisi serenas. (I count only the sunny hours) – Motto on a Sundial

The only reason for time is so everything doesn’t occur at once. – Albert Einstein

I went to a restaurant that serves “breakfast at any time”. So I ordered French Toast during the Renaissance. – Steven Wright

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ferdberple
August 31, 2014 1:16 pm

Relative Dating is OK, so long as your limit it to Second Cousins.

Ian W
Reply to  ferdberple
August 31, 2014 6:39 pm

I thought palynology was the study of dead Norwegian blue parrots

Alberta Slim
Reply to  Ian W
September 1, 2014 8:08 am

No.. It is the study of Sarah Palyn [sp.]

August 31, 2014 1:16 pm

Wonderful essay Dr. Ball. Thanks.
I take from it that we know so very little as fact at this time that we probably should not dismantle our industrial society over the fear of CO2.

ferdberple
August 31, 2014 1:22 pm

Could it be that Absolute and Relative Dating are sex determined? Ask a man for the location of a store, he will give you the address. Ask a woman, she will tell you the shop it is located next to.

Greg
Reply to  ferdberple
August 31, 2014 1:58 pm

Isn’t dating relatives illegal in most states?

Murph
Reply to  Greg
August 31, 2014 4:06 pm

That depends on how near the Relative is to the Absolute

ferdberple
Reply to  Greg
August 31, 2014 6:20 pm

After Prince Charles, Relative Dating was made Absolutely Illegal. Even his Mom won’t let him be King.

asybot
Reply to  ferdberple
September 1, 2014 12:34 am

me mom told me I was born on dec 27 1951 shortly after 20 am, me dad can’t remember.

asybot
Reply to  asybot
September 1, 2014 12:36 am

Ahh I meant shortly after 12 am, see even I am not sure. (does that mean I exist at all?).

Alberta Slim
Reply to  asybot
September 1, 2014 8:11 am

You don’t exist becuz there is no such time as 12:00 AM ;^D

Editor
August 31, 2014 1:28 pm

I hope this is the first installment of a series.

Greg
August 31, 2014 1:32 pm

“Radiocarbon dating, discussed later, established January 1st 1950 AD as the base year and called it 1950 BP for Before Present. ”
Err, no. They called “present” , 1950 becomes 0 BP

August 31, 2014 1:42 pm

Is there any evidence at all that the climate isn’t cycles all the way down? In other words solar cycles, ENSO, annual, diurnal, Milankovitch, stadium waves, etc?

pochas
Reply to  Genghis
September 1, 2014 11:42 am

Yes, we are still here, which means that for the last 3+ billion years what has gone up has always, ALWAYS come back down.

Greg
August 31, 2014 1:44 pm

“Most forms of absolute dating involve supposedly precise measurable rates of a natural process, like the rate of decay of carbon 14. It sounds precise, but all measures are presented with a range, which increases as you extend back, to the maximum range of the technique, 60,000 years. ”
The decay rate is precise but the great uncertainty of C14 dating is that the amount of the gas present to start with in any given year is unknown, which makes the derived dates dubious. There are several ( very irregular ) calibration curves one of which needs to be applied to get near to a reasonable estimation of age by C14 dating.
Tree-rings can be very accurate as a measure of time and have traditionally been one of the main calibration techniques for C14 dating. This respected science is called dendrochronology : chronos being greek for time.
This has nothing to do with the spurious idea of using trees as thermometers. There has been widespread and deliberate confusion where dendrothemometry has tried to be presented as “dendrochronology” in order to infer an undue accuracy and respectability to the practice.

Alberta Slim
Reply to  Greg
September 1, 2014 8:14 am

Right on… It is good that you pointed that out.

george e. smith
Reply to  Greg
September 1, 2014 12:08 pm

Greg,
All true; but you omitted the most important aspect of the errors in 14C dating.
The technique was originally predicated, on a completely unsubstantiated (and false) assumption, that the rate of production of 14C from 14N, in the atmosphere by cosmic radiation, was absolutely constant; which it turns out is not true.
The (clever) dendrochronology by use of tree rings (bristlecone pines), subsequently enabled corrections to 14C dating, that actually reversed the direction of some important technology transfers.
Certain pottery technology, believed to have originated in Mesopotamia, and transferred by trade to Spain, was subsequently shown to have actually travelled from Spain to Mesopotamia.

August 31, 2014 1:47 pm

@tim ball
clearly, your argument lacks any results
If you had any
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2013/02/21/henrys-pool-tables-on-global-warmingcooling/
it would show you that 1995 was the middle of a cycle
You tell me which one?
Just so you know, the sample taken of the Shroud of Turin was anomalous
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2013/03/01/where-is-your-faith/

bones
Reply to  moreCarbonOK[&theWeatherisalwaysGood]HenryP
August 31, 2014 7:28 pm

The shroud has been examined carefully by competent scientists and found to date to the early to middle 1300s. http://mcri.org/home/section/63-64/the-shroud-of-turin

Reply to  bones
August 31, 2014 10:53 pm

many researchers seem to disagree with Crone’s idea of a “painted cloth”, e.g. see here
http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/rogers2.pdf
To quote from the conclusion from the above (very lengthy!) report,
“Linen-production technology indicates that the Shroud of Turin is probably older than indicated by the date obtained in 1988. There seems to be ample evidence that an anomalous area was sampled for the radiocarbon analysis; therefore, the reported age is almost certainly invalid for the date the cloth was produced. The image was definitely not painted. The observed characteristics of the image rule out any mechanism for colour formation that involves high temperatures or energetic, penetrating radiation…..” etc
In any case, bones, please “paint” for me a photographic image that has three dimension properties, like the shroud of turin has.
Perhaps if you could watch the video we could talk again

Dave
August 31, 2014 1:47 pm

More common sense analysis from Dr. Tim. Oftentimes, I have to wonder whether educational experiences scrub the ability of (a large percentage of) PhDs from employing common sense… and I sheepishly state this as a person who only recently defended my dissertation.

Reply to  Dave
August 31, 2014 3:19 pm

I can not find the quote handy, but I think H.L. Mencken wrote something close to: “you can drag a moron through a university and even confer a PhD upon him, but he will still be a moron.”
But I know this one is one of his: “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.” ― H.L. Mencken, Minority Report

Ian W
Reply to  markstoval
August 31, 2014 6:44 pm

“Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and higher education positively fortifies it.”

Stephen Vizinczey, An Innocent Millionaire

David, UK
August 31, 2014 1:48 pm

Really interesting read, thank you Dr Ball.

Greg
August 31, 2014 1:56 pm

“A general claim is an accuracy of one percent, which sounds good. However, one percent of one million years is 10,000 years and in climate that effectively covers the Holocene. ”
But the Holocene was not a million years ago, and 1% of a 10,000 years is 100 years and would still be good.

Steve Reddish
Reply to  Greg
August 31, 2014 5:07 pm

The potassium/argon dating technique is useless for items less than 100,000 years old. The only dating technique that could possibly work for Holocene dating is the C14 method. The 130 year range for the probable age of the Shroud of Turin is typical of the limitations of C14 dating – a 20% difference in the min vs max. And that is for an item less than 1000 years old. The greater the age of an item, the greater the percent of difference of the estimate of the min vs max age, as a small difference in C14 = a greater difference in the age the older the item is (due to exponential decay rate). An additional source of error is that the approximate age of the item has to be known in order to apply the appropriate adjustment, as determined from dendrochronology, for instance. But if the assumed age is off by a thousand years (10% for Holocene items), the wrong corrections are made. The end result is it is impossible to know the age of early Holocene items within a few thousand years.
SR

Reply to  Steve Reddish
September 1, 2014 4:30 am

This is not quite correct. Modern Ar-Ar dating (a variant that uses neutron irradiation to convert K-39 into Ar-39) can achieve remarkable precision and accuracy if it is used on the right material. With sufficient sanidine or anorthoclase, precision comparable to C-14 can be achieved in the Holocene. A recent Science paper described dating the volcanic eruption that destroyed Pompeii. The authors rather cheekily put in the title that their calibration was by Pliny the Younger.

Steve Reddish
Reply to  Steve Reddish
September 2, 2014 12:18 am

In re to Chris Hall’s reply below:
Chris Hall says:Ar-Ar dating can achieve remarkable dating “if it is used on the right material.”
The right materials are igneous and metamorphic rocks – only, and then only the approximate date of solidification can be determined. Knowing the age of the particles in a layer of sediment doesn’t tell us when the layer was deposited.
Even so, the Ar/Ar dating method only gives a date that is related to another sample of known date – that was dated by the potassium/argon dating method. So whatever limitations the K/Ar dating method has are carried over to the Ar/Ar dating method.
SR

milodonharlani
August 31, 2014 2:04 pm

These papers on prior interglacials & the Milankovitch Cycle shows why some students of Ice Age fluctuations argue that the Holocene could be a super interglacial, like MIS 11 & MIS 19, at ~400K year intervals:
Determining the natural length of the current interglacial
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v5/n2/fig_tab/ngeo1358_F4.html
Climate in continental interior Asia during the longest interglacial
of the past 500 000 years: the new MIS 11 records from Lake Baikal,
SE Siberia
http://www.clim-past.net/6/31/2010/cp-6-31-2010.html

August 31, 2014 2:40 pm

Well, duh
Almost nobody will disagree with this discussion of the obvious – and almost all of those who don’t disgree will carry right on thinking it makes sense to talk about climate variances measured in parts of a degree C over a decade. Go figure!

August 31, 2014 2:41 pm

Thanks, Dr. Ball. An interesting read. Should you change “Radiocarbon dating, discussed later, established January 1st 1950 AD as the base year and called it 1950 BP for Before Present.” to “Radiocarbon dating, discussed later, established January 1st 1950 AD as the base year and called it 0 BP for Before Present”?

August 31, 2014 2:59 pm

Interesting Tim
Note the calibration table for calibrating radiocarbon dates is now in the INTCAL13 version (succeeding INTCAL09, INCAL04 and INTCAL98)
https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/radiocarbon/article/viewFile/16947/pdf

August 31, 2014 4:52 pm

Good post.
Definition of Post Modern Science?
When afraid to admit insufficient info or I do not know.
Insist on the absolute precision of guestimates.

PiperPaul
Reply to  john robertson
August 31, 2014 6:04 pm
SandyInLimousin
Reply to  PiperPaul
September 1, 2014 1:48 am

A picture paints a thousand words, saved for future refeence.

August 31, 2014 5:13 pm

Dear oh dear…what total nonsense!
Leif Svalgaard has explained patiently and many times right here on WUWT that the Sun has no impact on the Earth’s climate. And he sounds very confident that he is right.

RWhite
Reply to  charles nelson
August 31, 2014 5:51 pm

I hope this is sarcasm without a /sarc tag. I cringe each and every time I hear how the sun has no impact on climate, given that without it we are on a ball of ice floating aimlessly through space.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  charles nelson
August 31, 2014 7:34 pm

Dr S has never said that. He says that the changes in TSI can account for only a tiny amount of temperature change.

Reply to  Tom in Florida
August 31, 2014 8:19 pm

The “T” stands for Total. That is the problem. It is the change in the distribution of electromagnetic output of the sun that is important. Currently in this solar cycle the Extreme Ultra-Violet photonic output from the sun is down 60% on what it was to this point two solar cycles ago. As EUV is only a very minor component of the TSI it can be argued that this change doesn’t matter much. But try this analogy. There are 100 runners in a marathon in 1990. 90 of them are capable of running 2 hrs 20 mins and 10 are capable of running 2 hrs 10 mins. The same marathon is run in 2014. Only this time there are only 4 runners capable of running 2 hrs and 10 minutes and all the rest capable of running 2 hrs and 20 minutes. In 1990 the total time capacity of the runners in the marathon is 13,900 minutes. In 2014 the total time capacity of the runners of the marathon is 13,960 minutes. The percentage change in the total time capacity is 0.43%. Not much variation in the total is there? But having 6 less runners capable of 2 hrs 10 mins would make a lot of difference to the race.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  charles nelson
August 31, 2014 9:06 pm

Leif has said no such thing. You’re either dense or wilfully misreprenting Leif’s position.

JA
August 31, 2014 5:14 pm

Yes, OK, perhaps there is a level of uncertainty when certain climatic events occurred and ended.
But what is really required is an explanation as to WHY these climatic events occurred, for then, and ONLY then, can climate scientists claim they really UNDERSTAND the mechanisms that drive climate.
If the historic climate can not be explained – EXPLAINED, NOT DESCRIBED as to their CAUSE !!! – then climate scientists cannot presume to predict the future climate.
What CAUSED the ice ages? What CAUSED the warming that ended the ice ages? What caused the ice ages to end?? (and the answer is NOT global warming !! for that is just a description of what occurred) . What CAUSED the cooling that initiated the ice ages? If human production of CO2 is causing warming, then what CAUSED the warming that ended the ice ages?
WHERE ARE THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS?????

Unmentionable
Reply to  JA
August 31, 2014 6:42 pm

“If the historic climate can not be explained – EXPLAINED, NOT DESCRIBED as to their CAUSE !!! – then climate scientists cannot presume to predict the future climate.”

Careful Sir, you’re verge dangerously in the direction of telling the truth, that we don’t really have any real clue about how the earth really works and what natural variability really is. Scchhhh! Don’t tell everyone! We can just keep milking ignorance with arrogance and maintain our gigs and privilege for at least another decade or two. Look, just play stupid, we all do, and look where we are now! So if you know what’s good for you you’ll buck up your ideas and start acting like you know almost everything, like Suzuki does, but hopefully do a better job of professionally ignoring and deflecting the never ending avalanche of countervailing evidence. And make also sorts of trite poncy documentaries and videos to scare children and parents everywhere. Yes, you are going to have to get accustomed to lying quite a bit more then you ever thought possible.
Cue global warming propaganda video Copenhagen Climate Conference in 2009

See, that’s how you do it! Now hop aboard the consensus tram, we’re going on a safari to deepest darkest schmrtypantzistan!

Alberta Slim
Reply to  JA
September 1, 2014 8:28 am

” The answer my friend is blowing in the wind” la la tee dum..

nat
August 31, 2014 6:56 pm

“…They scared people so much that everyone celebrated in the wrong year…”
Actually, people celebrated because the numbers started with 20, not because they cared about a technical matter relating millenniums, and especially not because a few computers might go on the fritz. Best to revise this statement in future, it is jarring in it’s error.

Reply to  nat
September 1, 2014 4:09 pm

I’ll go by the astronomical calendar, or the ISO rule– the first year of a millenium ends in a zero. Every civilization we’ve discovered that had a calendar used the stars, they are good enough for me.

Gary
August 31, 2014 7:02 pm

Hayes, Imbrie, and Shackleton (http://www.es.ucsc.edu/~rcoe/eart206/Hays_OrbitPacemaker_Science76.pdf) validated Milankovitch in their 1976 paper.

August 31, 2014 7:13 pm

What nonsense, Leif Svalgaard has patiently and many times explained right here on WUWT that the sun has NO impact on the earth’s climate.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  charles nelson
August 31, 2014 9:19 pm

Your statement was so stupid you had to say it twice?

nielszoo
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 1, 2014 6:56 am

He should say it outside… in Barrow Alaska… about the middle of December…

tz
August 31, 2014 9:53 pm

The age of the earth is often stated to be 4.5 Billion years. Yet that number is based on the same kinds of things that the above examples question. Take a rock from a known historical lava flow and it dates as over 100k. 16 different radioactive decay series will yield 100k to 1billion years for the same rock.
All this is called “science” as well and sold as fact. Sometimes the best which can be said is that you can say X occurred before Y. Some of the extinction events are such.
Dealing with signals, I constantly have to worry about error terms. It is one reason we don’t use accelerometers to measure distance, though distance is the double integral of acceleration – but with that annoying constant.
Climate Change is bad enough, but as “Expelled” showed, if you are skeptical enough to even question that abiogenesis happened about 3 billion years ago, that the earth is 4.5 billion years old, that radioactivity is sufficient so we wouldn’t be living on a cold rock (or a still molten surface), it will be a worse attack than anything the alarmists bring up.
NONE of it is science. IT IS ALL MODELS and models of things you can’t recreate or calibrate in labs. The Miller experiment that creates primordial soup would kill anything that might have started to assemble. We know the complexity of organisms so can calculate how long it would take to produce the first reproducing life form (hint: 4.5 billion years would be like winning 99% of hundreds of roulette spins on 00).
We can’t call such speculation, extrapolation, or anything except “settled science”. Lest the Scientific Inquisition threaten to torture you worse than the data they feed to their models.

SIGINT EX
August 31, 2014 10:01 pm

The most recent 1% of Earth history is as insignificant as the first 1% of Earth history.
😉

Robert Kral
August 31, 2014 10:29 pm

I have often wondered about the nature of the evidence for the alleged variability, on a more than millennial scale, in the Earth’s orbit. Can anyone point this out? Perfectly willing to accept lucid explanations- just genuinely curious about what physical observations lead to this conclusion.

Ed Barbar
August 31, 2014 11:35 pm

“Known as Y2K, many claimed computers would fail because of the inability to switch to the new date sequence. They scared people so much that everyone celebrated in the wrong year. Technically, the new millennium begins in 2001, but the celebration occurred in 2000. Maybe we should have a calendar that begins with the Big Bang, but then, what would the error range be?”
Well, it’s frankly amazing there were no serious issues with Y2K. The issue was with programmers programming two digits to signify the year in code, such as “1948” as “48”, and then a number shows up that is 2000, or zero. Subtract those two, and you get the wrong number.
You can read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_formatting_and_storage_bugs
Rolling and other issues are non-trivial, as many folks may write them into software they think will have limited lifetime and yet lives longer. It hasn’t been widespread only because people recognized the problems, and solved them. If action had not been taken, problems would have ensued.

richard verney
Reply to  Ed Barbar
September 1, 2014 1:26 am

And yet probably at least 90% of the computers in the world, and the programmes they were running were not corrected, and no problems ensued.

SandyInLimousin
Reply to  richard verney
September 1, 2014 4:22 am

Yes, finger trouble would have highlighted any problems in legacy systems long before the year 2000. Any programme that survived 20 or 30 years operating would have inevitably have gone through the Y2K problem due to human error.
As we’re talking about old systems, then many would have been tested by the Islamic calendar (currently 1435 H),
What causes far more of an issue is American being out of step with Europe in date formats. DD-MM-YYYY or MM-DD-YYYY being hard-coded into systems by programmers unaware of the world outside can really foul things up.

James Strom
Reply to  richard verney
September 1, 2014 8:48 am

Ha Ha. I bought a commercial program to fix the Y2K problem on my desktop. When I ran the program the computer crashed. With the program uninstalled the computer ran fine through 2003.

Ed Barbar
Reply to  richard verney
September 1, 2014 9:55 am

Sure, but where it mattered most it was corrected, as in bank interest calculations.

Reply to  richard verney
September 1, 2014 11:24 am

Actually, correcting computer programs to avoid Y2K problems was probably the largest undocumented example of focused effort in history. I had the responsibilty in my company, 17 factories, near 100 sales offices, some few thousand computer programs of more or less complexity and risk of shutdown or malfunction. The primary task of our world wide IT resource for 3 years was preparing for Y2K. At the end of the day, one program on one production line caused a 5 hour shutdown. Every supplier, every customer and every competitior that I know of went through the same effort. The big gain, apart from avoiding serious problems of various kinds was that we finished with every piece of similar equipment world wide running the same software program release, making process transfers quite easy, for the only time in company history. I retired at the end of the effort, so have no idea if the program coordination was maintained.