From the you have to see this to believe it department. Dr. Ryan Maue brings attention to this ridiculous photo op outside the Florida Governor Rick Scott‘s office by an activist outfit called NextGenClimate.
https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/502532521410584577
Here is a magnified view of the picture, you can click it to magnify even more and read some of the words on it.
According to the “about” page, this outfit is another beneficiary of billionaire Tom Steyer’s money to sway climate opinion. With the sort of idiotic talking points seen above, if I was Steyer, I’d ask for my money back.
My reply:
@RyanMaue @NextGenClimate @FLGovScott They rounded up much touted (and debunked) 97% consensus to 98% on that chalkboard! LOL! Desperate.
— Watts Up With That (@wattsupwiththat) August 21, 2014
This whole buffoonish display is over this meeting a couple of day ago:
highflight56433 says:
August 21, 2014 at 1:15 pm
Unfortunately, the ignorance of today’s K12 grads probably don’t know……what a percentage of anything is.
A percentage of anything is something. Unless it is zero percent which is nothing. Something is nothing? Strange word we live in.
MattS says:
August 21, 2014 at 9:25 pm
RH says:
August 21, 2014 at 12:59 pm
I have never met anyone who thinks the earth is only 6,000 years old. They probably exist, but to equate something that stupid with everyone who is skeptical of the global warming doomsday scenario is beyond reprehensible.
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Yes, they are out there, in fact there are probably more of them than you think. They are generally referred to as young earth creationists. The 6K year figure supposedly comes from adding up the ages of the prophets of the old testament and the list of Jesus’ ancestors in the new testament.
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The 6K figure comes from the genealogies in Genesis which give us approximately 2000 years from Adam to Abraham, who is well known to have lived approximately 2000 years before Jesus, who is well known to have lived approximately 2000 years before now. The approximations might add up to a couple hundred years at most. 6K is the minimum. Most young Earth creationists will allow up to 10K for the max.
SR
“This whole buffoonish display is over this meeting a couple of day ago …”.
Rent-seekers of Florida unite!
Make us all multi-millionaires and we will control all global weather components for you.
FWIW: Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe that the science is wrong and the Bible is right. To them, such a disagreement is illogical. However, they do cherry pick a lot. You’d be very convinced if you read nothing but ‘Awake!’ and ‘The Watchtower’.
Good on them for being apolitical, though.
The real issue I have with some creationists is that they think science is out to kill religion. So they get very defensive and closed-minded. Such silliness!
The presentation is true racism. Its thrust is to ridicule and demean the white trash underclass who lack a silver spoon education.
Many of these people have more native intelligence and self education than the brainwashed drones of the upper class.
This “Meeting” or what ever you want to call it has finally made me make big (actually three) decisions,
I am going to rid of my beard,
i am going to cut my hair ( maybe even bald!) and ,
after cathartic surgery in 2 weeks am am loosing my glasses!
Hallaluya.
As Hockey Schtick says: “I like the sciency-looking white coat too – nice touch”
Reminds me of all the photo ops Obama had prior to ObamaCare, with loads of people in white hospital grab, few of whom had any connection to the medical profession, standing behind him.
Cataract, oh well eye surgery (me bad).
Sea Water is salty and rising
So just how much are coastal front property prices in Florida then.
Lex Luthor wanted General Zod to give him Australia.
So billionaire beneficiary Tom Steyer is obviously very very concerned with Climate Change and rising sea levels.So how much exotic luxury beach front property portfolio does he own and what is he buying and selling all for.
Most creationists believe in micro-evolution, or changes within a species that survive into new generations; selective breeding is based on the micro-evolution concept. What the creationists have trouble with is that evolution produces new kinds of animals or plants; since fossils can’t be bred, proof of macro-evolution is still lacking, and it is still a theory.
I grow and breed daylilies (Hemerocallis), and my crosses and the resulting seedlings are, indeed, different from their parents; they have their own genetic combinations and will pass them on to succeeding generations if they are used in breeding. Since daylilies (except certain wild species) do not breed true from seed, all daylily crosses give new genetic combinations. Creationists (and others with their viewpoint on this topic) know that this type of micro-evolution exists; they use it for their own purposes, as I have. What I will never accomplish, should I live a million years, is to create a new kind of plant, i.e., a seedling that is not a daylily and will not cross with daylilies. Macro-evolution, as a concept, demands that such new species be not only possible but must of necessity be the source of all modern species, plant or animal. Lacking true and verifiable transition species, macro-evolution still lacks definitive proof, according to some creationists.
What the preceding has to do with Florida’s governor and the stupid exhibit with the white-shirted fellow in the photo is beyond me; but contributors here do themselves and their views no favors by misrepresenting and misunderstanding the views of others.
100% of scientists believe in Climate Change it is the cause that is the question.
actually, it would seem that CAGW advocates seem to believe that Earth can be returned to the garden of eden and that climate is not supposed to change. Globull average should be 287.5 kelvins and that’s that. Anything else is man’s fault. then again, such people suffer from cognitive dissonance in all areas of their lives.
I’ve met one young earther a long time back. He’d written several books on the topic (long heavy diatribes). Scarey part was he had a phd in hydrology – as in underground water which is tied to geology. To avoid cognitive dissonance, one must use common sense and apply things in context. The neutron was discovered only in the 1930s. Before that, the notion that a star could last more than a few thousand years burning chemical fuel was the only solid science we had and the skies appeared full of stars. It was thought stars and Earth were far older by most scientists but the mechanisms like what fuel was being burned might as well have been black magic. It was during this time that a Jesuit priest / astronomer came up with the big bang theory (not named until Sir Fred Hoyle – the last great holdout for the steady state theory of the universe – coined the term derisively decades later).
A thinking man is between a rock and a hard place: one side doesn’t believe in evolution, the other wants to stop it.
Andrew, can you please put a mod filter on the word ‘believe’, it’s just as annoying, pointless and nefarious as the ‘d ‘word – thank you
Betapug says:
August 21, 2014 at 1:22 pm
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Steyer also has interests in a number of Asian coal mines.
Did I mention that he is funding efforts to block new coal terminals on the west coast that would have shipped US coal to Asia?
Grady says:
August 21, 2014 at 2:16 pm
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There’s a missing colon alright.
It’s standing next to the blackboard.
When these folks first petitioned the Governor for a meeting, I sent a letter to the Governor’s office suggesting that he invite them AND several skeptical scientists to offer a counter balance to their claims. I even included a few names that might fit the bill. Unfortunately, this suggestion was ignored and the predictable happened. The warmists had an unfettered opportunity to spout nonsense without refutation and Rick Scott just sort of had to sit there and take it. It handed a propaganda opportunity to the CAGW folks.
I just bet when Dr. Van Leer was spouting off about business opportunities, Rick Scott was thinking to himself “Solyndra, Solyndra.” 🙂
The theory of evolution still has a few lose threads that are easy to tug on.
How did proteins turn into the first cell?
How did single cells join together to create the first multicellular life forms?
How did cells start differentiating to create the different organs and tissues?
The jump from asexual to bisexual reproduction?
At lot of evolutionists that I have met just answer these questions with a variation on, We know it happened, we just have to figure out how. Which the young earth creationists take as a statement of faith no less valid than their own.
For my self I do believe that the earth is in the vicinity of 4.3 billion years old (number subject to revision as new data is found). I believe that environmental pressures do cause life forms to evolve.
I also believe that God played a role in that evolution.
Does it bother me that I can’t figure out why God would want to do it this way? Not in the slightest.
I figure that if God has the computing power necessary to plan and create the entire universe, it’s not surprising that me, with the limited computing power available to the average human, isn’t able to figure out the why’s and wherefores of the over all plan.
I’ve never been able to figure out why so many evolutionists feel the need to get so angry at anyone who doesn’t accept their belief that evolution has to be totally random. They can’t prove that any more than I can prove that God is responsible. Let’s all just try to get along and each of us deal with what IS in our power to change.
The moral of the story : Idiots should not be given money.
Even though I guess for Tom Steyer, useful idiots.
Pamela Gray says:
August 21, 2014 at 7:26 pm
“Yes I am tired of being insulted by the liberal loony left. And I am damn tired of k12 kids being insulted by right wing nuts.”
Give your head a shake, Pamela. No one is insulting the children. Way to misrepresent a position. Does that help you feel better?
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RH says: August 21, 2014 at 12:59 pm
“I have never met anyone who thinks the earth is only 6,000 years old.”
First, I do know some who do believe that. Now you might call that ignorant, but they are not killing women and children by increasing food prices, preventing the use of DDT and limiting energy production in the third world. And they are among the people who backed GW in his program to relieve AIDS and reduce Malaria in Africa…..”
Well said, Steamboat Jack. I am a Catholic Christian who accepts the Big Bang (it was first proposed by a Catholic priest, after all) a billions-years- old earth, and, well, science – properly practiced science – in general. There is no real conflict between science and religion. And, I do think the young earthers do a bit of a disservice to those who sincerely seek spiritual truth. That being said , many of these people are far better Christians than I am, and do abundant good for the community and their fellow man. They get overly mocked while the true villains of humanity are exalted.
Here are some more articles covering the massive hypocrisy of Tom Steyer.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/04/the-epic-hypocrisy-of-tom-steyer.php
So give back the profits from fossil fuels? Ya see, they condemn fossil fuels AFTER they make a killing and NEVER give back all that dirty oil money. Jeremy Grantham is the same.
Tom Steyer running away from debate.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2014/08/19/will-tom-steyer-put-his-mouth-where-his-money-is/
more soylent green! says: “They don’t believe in plate tectonics, naturally, nor evolution, nor the Big Bang and while I’ve only met a few, they unfortunately all were skeptics.”
Naturally. What is the main property of a skeptic? He doesn’t believe you. He believes what he observes. If he lives in Florida (or Ohio, Nebraska, Kansas, or the Red River Valley of Minnesota and North Dakota), his world is flat. His Earth does not move (no tectonics). He breeds cows and horses and they give birth only to cows and horses. What happened 13 billion years ago is irrelevant. If he’s polite he won’t care that you believe all these things. They’re irrelevant.
While I *do* believe these scientific claims, I’m not sure that to a farmer in Minnesota it matters. There, what matters is that you take care of your horses, your cows, and most of all your family. It helps to believe that your family is at least partly divine and your duty to them, your animals and your community is going to be judged someday and suitable rewards or punishments handed out by the creator; with some wiggle room as to how exactly that was done and how long it took.