Claim: Human contribution to glacier mass loss on the increase

From the University of Innsbruck, another modeling study.

This news release is available in German.

The ongoing global glacier retreat causes rising sea-levels, changing seasonal water availability and increasing geo-hazards. While melting glaciers have become emblematic of anthropogenic climate change, glacier extent responds very slowly to climate changes. “Typically, it takes glaciers decades or centuries to adjust to climate changes,” says climate researcher Ben Marzeion from the Institute of Meteorology and Geophysics of the University of Innsbruck.

The global retreat of glaciers observed today started around the middle of the 19th century at the end of the Little Ice Age. Glaciers respond both to naturally caused climate change of past centuries, for example solar variability, and to anthropogenic changes. The real extent of human contribution to glacier mass loss has been unclear until now.

Anthropogenic Causes

By using computer simulations of the climate, Ben Marzeion’s team of researchers simulated glacier changes during the period of 1851 and 2010 in a model of glacier evolution. “The results of our models are consistent with observed glacier mass balances,” says Marzeion. All glaciers in the world outside Antarctica were included in the study. The recently established Randolph Glacier Inventory (RGI), a complete inventory of all glaciers worldwide, enabled the scientists to run their model. “The RGI provides data of nearly all glaciers on the Earth in machine-readable format,” explains Graham Cogley from Trent University in Canada, one of the coordinators of the RGI and co-author of the current study.

Caption: This image shows the Artesonraju Glacier in Cordillera Blanca, Peru.

Credit: Ben Marzeion

Since the climate researchers are able to include different factors contributing to climate change in their model, they can differentiate between natural and anthropogenic influences on glacier mass loss. “While we keep factors such as solar variability and volcanic eruptions unchanged, we are able to modify land use changes and greenhouse gas emissions in our models,” says Ben Marzeion, who sums up the study: “In our data we find unambiguous evidence of anthropogenic contribution to glacier mass loss.”

Significant Increase in Recent Decades

The scientists show that only about one quarter (25 +/-35 %) of the global glacier mass loss during the period of 1851 to 2010 is attributable to anthropogenic causes. However, during the last two decades between 1991 and 2010 the fraction increased to about two thirds (69+/-24%). “In the 19th and first half of 20th century we observed that glacier mass loss attributable to human activity is hardly noticeable but since then has steadily increased,” says Ben Marzeion. The authors of the study also looked at model results on regional scales. However, the current observation data is insufficient in general to derive any clear results for specific regions, even though anthropogenic influence is detectable in a few regions such as North America and the Alps. In these regions, glaciers changes are particularly well documented.

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The study is supported, among others, by the Austrian Science Fund (FWF) and the research area Scientific Computing at the University of Innsbruck.

 

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Bruce Cobb
August 15, 2014 3:54 pm

Edward Richardson says:
“We have to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.”
Yeah, they tried to, really really tried. Bless their hearts. But failed. Miserably.

August 15, 2014 3:55 pm

Edward Richardson:
At August 15, 2014 at 3:46 pm you assert

If the MWP were warmer than now, the artifacts would date at 1000 BP not at 3 or 4000 years BP.

Why? Glaciers are not thermometers.
The growth and decline of glaciers is more related to precipitation than temperature.
What can be said is that warmer temperatures act to reduce glacier advance but that does NOT lead to your assertion.
And, of course, the MWP was warmer than now. The evidence from around the world is overwhelming.
Richard

Edward Richardson
August 15, 2014 3:59 pm

richardscourtney says:
August 15, 2014 at 3:55 pm
:” The evidence from around the world is overwhelming.”
The radiocarbon dating from both the Swiss glaciers, and the glaciers at Glacier Ntation Park confirm that the surface being exposed today was covered during both the Roman and the MWP.
Richardd, you can provide a hundred examples of where you think the MWP was warmer, but these two glacier data points falsify your hypothesis.

James the Elder
August 15, 2014 4:14 pm

Even Skeptical Science admits it can’t erase that warmth; the best they can do is call it a local anomaly. That it lasted over 300 years and greened Greenland is one hell of an anomaly.

Snowlover123
August 15, 2014 4:24 pm

Hockey Schtick says:
August 15, 2014 at 10:35 am
They ‘forgot’ to mention worldwide glacier retreat has decelerated since 1950, inconsistent with the above statement.
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You are only looking at length changes from glaciers, which does not take into account any potential thinning from underneath glaciers. When you do that, there has been an increased decline in glacier mass since the mid-20th Century.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-foAxGE3chGw/U-6VtMdMWRI/AAAAAAAAARM/GHiawnonEFc/s1600/wgms.png
http://www.grid.unep.ch/glaciers/pdfs/5.pdf

milodonharlani
August 15, 2014 4:37 pm

Edward Richardson says:
August 15, 2014 at 3:46 pm
Why do you say that?
The artifacts date from about 1000 years ago, 2000 years ago, 3000 years ago & 5000 years ago, ie they are from the MWP, Roman & Minoan WPs & the Holocene Optimum, like Oetzi the Iceman. In between they were covered by glaciers. The older items just happened never to have been picked up by later people while exposed & didn’t decay away.

milodonharlani
August 15, 2014 4:39 pm

Edward Richardson says:
August 15, 2014 at 3:59 pm
For the many reasons which you refuse to consider, exposed stumps don’t falsify the observable fact (not hypothesis) that the MWP was warmer than now.

Edward Richardson
August 15, 2014 4:42 pm

milodonharlani says:
August 15, 2014 at 4:39 pm
,,,
” that the MWP was warmer than now.:
..
Find a tree stump exposed by the receding glaciers that dates back 1000 BP via radiocarbon dating, and I will accept your assertion that the MWP was warmer than now.

milodonharlani
August 15, 2014 4:49 pm

Edward Richardson says:
August 15, 2014 at 4:42 pm
They abound! I’ve climbed over them.
Had you bothered to read the link to prior discussion of this topic on this blog, you’d already know about them.
http://www.livescience.com/39819-ancient-forest-thaws.html
Alaska’s receding Mendenhall Glacier exposed trees from both the Medieval & Roman WPs. You really ought to study a topic before presuming to comment upon it.

Edward Richardson
August 15, 2014 4:54 pm

milodonharlani says:
August 15, 2014 at 4:49 pm
“They abound! I’ve climbed over them.”
Glacier National Park and the Swiss glaciers you mentioned in a previous post.

These two data points prove the MWP was ***NOT*** warmer than today.
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milodonharlani
August 15, 2014 4:58 pm

Edward Richardson says:
August 15, 2014 at 4:54 pm
Your examples “prove” nothing. That some stumps from Banff have been dated to almost 3000 years ago “proves” nothing, for the reasons you have repeatedly been shown but ignored. Not that anything is ever “proved” in science.
I gave you what you asked for, yet you still don’t accept my well supported statement (not assertion) that the MWP was warmer than now.

milodonharlani
August 15, 2014 4:59 pm

It’s looking more & more likely that Ed is indeed the ineducable troll H Grouse.

Edward Richardson
August 15, 2014 5:01 pm

Edward Richardson says:
August 15, 2014 at 4:54 pm

“Your examples “prove” nothing”

It only takes one example to falsify a hypothesis. Both GNP and the Swiss glaciers falsify the hypothesis that the MWP was warmer than today. That’s how science works.

u.k.(us)
August 15, 2014 5:03 pm

You might want to turn up the volume….
it drowns out the noise:

Farmer Gez
August 15, 2014 5:05 pm

The Europeans have done a lot in the last thirty years to clean up pollution and this may explain the warming and melting. Back in the mid nineties I can clearly recall the black smog sitting above the Italian Alps that came from heavy industry. I believe you science guys have told us that this pollution reflects solar heating and cools the surface. A dirty Europe is a cold Europe perhaps.

stan stendera
August 15, 2014 5:23 pm

For Richard Courtney: The other day I commented about Lief Svelgaard that he was testy, did not suffer fools gladly, and was a man to be admired and respected, at least in part because of those personality traits. Well, you are testy and don’t suffer fools gladly. Since you began commenting on WUWT I made it my business to check into your bona fides. As I said of Lief, you deserve our respect and admiration; It is a privilege and a delight that you comment so frequently.

milodonharlani
August 15, 2014 5:52 pm

Edward Richardson says:
August 15, 2014 at 5:01 pm
That is not how science works. You don’t know the difference between an observation & an hypothesis, so you have no clue about how science works.
That the MWP was warmer than now is an observation from paleoclimatic data, ie a scientific fact, not a hypothesis. An hypothesis based upon this fact would be that solar cycles explain the observation that the MWP was warmer than now.
The lengths of glaciers worldwide, across the whole range of microclimates, confirms the warmth of the MWP & cold of the LIA (as do all other paleo data), but as I noted there are lots of reasons why individual glaciers might vary.

August 15, 2014 5:53 pm

Edward Richardson:
If your datapoint PROVES that the MWP was not warmer than today, that the Antarctica temperature graphs ‘prove’ that global warming has not happened in the last 34 years.
It appears everyone is missing this: whether or not a glacier melts enough to expose tree stumps depends on THREE things: temps, temperature and the ORIGINAL DEPTH of the glacier. Clearly, a much deeper glacier will take substantially longer to melt, and the MWP may simply have not lasted long enough to completely melt it.

milodonharlani
August 15, 2014 5:59 pm

Jtom says:
August 15, 2014 at 5:53 pm
There are also other factors involved in glacier extent, mass & duration.

Edward Richardson
August 15, 2014 6:06 pm

milodonharlani says:
August 15, 2014 at 5:52 pm
“That the MWP was warmer than now is an observation”
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If the MWP was warmer than today, the ground being uncovered by the GNP and Swiss glaciers would have been uncovered 1000 years ago. You would find tree stumps with carbon that carbon dates back 1000 years.
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The fact that you cannot find tree stumps in the recently uncovered areas that date back less than 3000 year BP prove that glaciers covered those areas 1000 years ago.
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Please explain to me why the glaciers 1000 years ago did not melt if it was warmer then than today.

milodonharlani
August 15, 2014 6:10 pm

Edward Richardson says:
August 15, 2014 at 6:06 pm
Now there can be no doubt that you are the troll H Grouse.
I showed you that North American glaciers do indeed expose trees from the MWP when they recede. You lied that you would accept this fact as evidence show your false belief wrong.
You have no credibility & are thus best ignored, just as when you stank up this blog as H Grouse.

August 15, 2014 6:11 pm

OK, who wants the first shot at Edward Richardson? ☺

Edward Richardson
August 15, 2014 6:12 pm

Jtom says:
August 15, 2014 at 5:53 pm
” the MWP may simply have not lasted long enough to completely melt it.”

The LIA ended only 150 years ago, so the MWP was 300 years longer than the current warming period.

u.k.(us)
August 15, 2014 6:53 pm

Edward Richardson says:
August 15, 2014 at 6:12 pm
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Hang around here long enough, the confusion only gets worse.
It’s great :)…… and you learn things.

August 15, 2014 7:00 pm

Oh yeah, leave out Antarctica and stop in 2010. They all stop at 2010 – ya know, the decadal thingy. Alaskan glaciers, New Zealand glaciers, Canadian, Alpine glaciers … are beginning to rebound again.
http://www.iceagenow.com/List_of_Expanding_Glaciers.htm
It’s normal for university professors to be teaching knowledge somewhat out of date. I studied classical geochemistry (late 1950) and when I graduated and went into mining exploration geology, industry had to re-educate me on its use in exploration – the technology was a decade or two in advance of what was being taught. This is why we see so many papers in climate science coming from grad students who are unaware of the ‘pause’. Embarrassing but normal.