A Climate of Despair – Climategate had more effects than we realized at first

Psychological Problems faced by disappointed alarmists

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The Sydney Morning Herald has published an article describing the psychological problems alarmists are experiencing, in the wake of their Copenhagen 2009 disappointment.

Ask most alarmists and they will insist they are winning the debate – that the world is about to embrace green orthodoxy, that carbon trading schemes are rising, that “deniers” are more marginalised than ever before.

The article in the SMH tells a very different story – rising despair, despondency, disengagement, and in some cases delusional behaviour, in the wake of serial climate disappointments.

According to environmental scientist Nicole Thornton;

““It’s strange. Sometimes you just don’t feel you’re making headway in the time you’ve got, before it’s too late for the planet,” Thornton says. “All these little things weigh you down, and then the big stuff breaks you.”

The article goes on to describe more serious cases – for example, “Six years ago, a dehydrated 17-year-old boy was brought into the Royal Children’s Hospital, refusing to drink water. He believed having a drink would somehow contribute to the global shortage of potable water, and became the first diagnosed case of “climate change delusion”.

Personally I’ve always wondered if their is a correspondence between promotion of green ideas, and poor life choices made by far too many of our children – if you tell a child they have no future, that the world is about to be destroyed, that its all their parent’s fault, and that there is nothing they can do about it, don’t expect them to be enthusiastic about doing their homework.

However there is an even darker side to green despair. A while ago, Osama Bin Laden attempted to recruit frustrated environmentalists into his global Jihad – http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/29/strange-but-true-bin-laden-on-global-warming/

Bin Laden ultimately failed in his effort to recruit frustrated greens to his campaign of mass murder, but if we don’t find a way to pull back from this green brink of societal self hatred, next time we might not be so lucky.

h/t WUWT reader “berniel” for the SMH article

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M Courtney

The problem with the green delusion is that it is wrong.
There is no need to link it to international terrorism. That is mere guilt by association.
There is no need to link it to extreme depressives who would have suffered anyway, sadly.
What is interesting here is that Aussie psychologists have jumped on the Green Bandwagon.
It ain’t just Lew.

Let’s slip down the slippery slope into religion for just a moment, and attempt an analogy. I’ll use Christianity, because that’s easy and won’t result in calls for my head.
The problem with the Christ delusion is that it is wrong.
There is no need to link it to international missionaries. That is mere guilt by association.
There is no need to link it to extreme fundamentalists who would have persecuted anyway, sadly.
What is interesting here is that anonymous bloggers have jumped on the apologist bandwagon.
¿Comprende?

JimS

Did I miss the link to the article? If so, here it is:
http://www.smh.com.au/national/a-climate-of-despair-20140813-102r1w.html

the first diagnosed case of “climate change delusion”.

The First? I would say it is an epidemic now. Thankfully it seems to be subsiding a bit.

Jim Ryan

The pause that depresses.
When:
1. you have a dogma that is the meaning of your life and that you try to force the facts to adhere to, and
2. the facts simply remain recalcitrant and non-compliant, and
3. you can’t get the layman to agree with your dogma,
…then you get very depressed.

Ralph Kramden

“and became the first diagnosed case of climate change delusion”. I think this affliction is drastically under diagnosed. I would consider nearly all Alarmists to be climate change delusional.

GeologyJim

The Green Delusion “is consistent with” [TM-Climate Science] the religious faith and devotion of its practitioners.
This is standard “World is Coming to an END” moonbattery when reality undermines the basis of the faith.
It’s not pretty to watch, but it will be entertaining

Shoshin

It’s all about classic religion-based fear marketing. People give $$ because of the fear of going to hell. Therefore, the religion markets hell. A religion based on “don’t worry, all is fine” would be broke.
I find it utterly amazing that hard core alarmists will not accept data and science that show that apocalypse is not nigh, but would rather cling to their religion of catastrophe. Illogical, but such are the vagaries of faith.

Clovis Marcus

“But the reality was a massive, epic failure of political will. It broke me,” she says. “The trigger point was actually watching grown men cry. They were senior diplomats from small islands, begging larger countries to take action so that their nations would not drown with the rising seas.”
No doubt while encouraging investment in sea-front property…

Mary Kay Barton

“if you tell a child they have no future, that the world is about to be destroyed, that its all their parent’s fault, and that there is nothing they can do about it, don’t expect them to be enthusiastic about doing their homework.” – Good point! All this negativity and alarmism breeds fear into our children. But that is their goal, is it not – to garner buy-in on all-things ‘green’. Fear works.

Jim Ryan

“I lost hope that we were able to save ourselves from self-destruction”
“I feel like I…can…have an impact in the world.”
It’s not science. It’s a tool for changing the world, self-aggrandizement. It’s a narcissistic fetish. If the evidence for alarmism were good, it might be otherwise, but it is not reasonable to believe that the evidence is good so we may resort to a psychological explanation for the despair rather than a rational one.

The closest phenomenon I can think of occurred during the 19th century, when religious doomsayers had convinced a fairly substantial portion of the population that doom was about to arrive, and actually gave a time and place. So many believers went there and waited. And nothing happened. But many still continued to believe – they just altered the time of doom to a rather vague indefinite future point in time. They chose to alter that portion of their belief that was
easiest to assimulate – the time and place of the doom, rather than the fact of its coming.

ossqss

Hummmmm,,,,, reminiscent of the “What do you mean there is no Santa Clause” syndrome……
Just sayin,,,,,

Taphonomic

SMH, Sidney Morning Herald and also an acronym for ‘shake my head’ or ‘shaking my head.’ Usually used when someone finds something so stupid, no words can do it justice. Very apropos acronym.

DirkH

Ralph Kramden says:
August 15, 2014 at 7:30 am
““and became the first diagnosed case of climate change delusion”. I think this affliction is drastically under diagnosed. I would consider nearly all Alarmists to be climate change delusional.”
Transition Town Bielefeld, an ICLEI/Agenda21 organisation, has self-help groups for their depressed members.
http://notrickszone.com/2013/10/31/green-psychologists-confirm-climate-alarmists-are-making-themselves-mentally-sick-doomer-depression/

Latitude

I checked…..nope, I don’t have one single little bitty bit of sympathy

pokerguy

“It’s strange. Sometimes you just don’t feel you’re making headway in the time you’ve got, before it’s too late for the planet,” Thornton says. “All these little things weigh you down, and then the big stuff breaks you.”
I don’t know whether to laugh or feel sorry for this person. Must be crushing indeed, laboring under the delusion that you’re personally responsible for the fate of the planet. I recommend a good psychiatrist.

GeneDoc

Stop scaring children. It’s criminal and hugely counter-productive. My kids (who are now in their mid 20s) first had their teachers winding them up about “the rainforest” and then later AGW. The teachers think that they’re developing “global citizens” who will go on to change the world for the better, when in reality most of the kids just adopt a nihilistic attitude that the world is screwed, there’s nothing to be done and they might as well enjoy it while it lasts. It took work on my part to disavow my kids of that, but after a few generations… We need optimistic problem solvers in the generations that follow, not angry cynics who blame prior generations for handing them a world without solutions.

Jim

Just how edo you think the followers of Bill McKibben will react when they discover he has been intentionally lying to them the whole time? For Bill its about Bill, it is not environmentalism, not climate change, not science, but Bill just wants a cause to fill his empty life. Think about it, Bill has never produced anything of value to improve anyones life but his own, all his books are about him and his causes, nothing more. It is sad that this self deluded man child who is all about self guilt, (white privledge garbage and social justice) is dragging the wholly misinformed and uneducated into his personnel hell hole. Bill has been on the tit too long and it’s time we all did what we could to provide him an intervention and expose him for the fraud he is, maybe he could get a greeter job at Walmart. A productive application of all his talent and knowledge, he can help the elderly to shop all while asking for forgivness for his life of privledge and for not being a minority.

Bernal

If UBL had been serious about destroying Western Civ he would have been better off joining the Sierra Club.

pochas

You have to be free from vested interests in order to be objective. You can’t be delivering a product for your boss to sell. You can’t be feeding your own ego or riding some pie-in-the sky gravy train. You have to be able to recognize when you’ve been fooled.

As a result of this “Climate Camps” might mean something quite different in a decade. Think “Alcoholics Anonymous”….

James the Elder

How long before a Pied Piper arrives on the scene and convinces the flock that Guyana is a nice place to get away from it all?

schitzree

So, they are all depressed that we are not doing enough to stop the coming thermageden. Do you think, when the world fails to end in the next 20 years as they expect, will that make them less depresed or more?

John West

Thornton: ”That’s when I lost hope that we would survive as a species.”
Drama Queen Alert! Oh come on. There’s no plausible scenario where a little climate change or even a lot of climate change kills enough of the population to take out the species. Yes, eventually something is going to completely wipe life off of the entire planet but it’s not AGW and its more than likely billions of years from now when our species and those we decide to save and those that manage to stow away with us will hopefully be spread among several planets if not several million.
Worst case scenario for CAGW if all their worst fears were true would be a world like that of about 56 million years ago which life did just fine in and I’m sure humans would be able to cope with if not flourish.

Harold

Might explain the SkS bunch. Don’t they have some psychologist who should see all of this?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/7344329/Baby-survives-parents-global-warming-suicide-pact.html
Baby survives parents’ global warming suicide pact
A seven-month-old girl survived for three days alone with a bullet in her chest after being shot by her parents as part of a suicide pact over their fears about global warming.
01 Mar 2010
Francisco Lotero, 56, and Miriam Coletti, 23, shot their daughter and her toddler brother before killing themselves.
Their son Francisco, two, died instantly after being hit in the back.
However, their unnamed daughter cheated death after the bullet from her father’s handgun missed her vital organs.
Police were alerted by worried neighbours who discovered the massacre three days after the shooting and the girl was taken to hospital.
The youngster is recovering in hospital in the town of Goya in the northern Argentine province of Corrientes, where doctors say she is out of danger.
Her parents said they feared the effects of global warming in a suicide note discovered by police.

Anthropogenic Global Warming has become quite a joke. During President Obama’s 2010 State of the Union address, when he referred to “the overwhelming scientific evidence on climate change,” everybody laughed! Even Pelosi & Biden giggled:

But it’s not funny when climate-change-obsessed environmentalists turn violent, as when James Lee seized hostages and issued his demands at Discovery, Inc. ( http://tinyurl.com/WPjjlee ), or when Francisco Lotero & Miriam Coletti shot their children and themselves because of their despair over the prospect of global warming ( http://tinyurl.com/LoteroColetti ), or when environmentalists abort their babies to reduce their carbon footprints ( http://tinyurl.com/abortAGW ).

brent

Help is at hand :: ))
Group therapy tackles climate change anxiety
Psychotherapist Rosemary Randall counsels people on their feelings of powerlessness and anxiety around climate change issues. In this interview with DW, she explains how this can contribute to a neccesary transformation.
http://www.dw.de/group-therapy-tackles-climate-change-anxiety/a-17853991

follower

A Nick Surgey, “Research” Director at The Progressive Inc. wrote a disgusting example of hate speak against “deniers” and “polluters” in yesterday’s Huffington Post. This is a way to denounce people with a different opinion I have only seen in communist countries before. Disgusting.

Reblogged this on Centinel2012 and commented:
To the progressives the belief in man made climate change is nothing more than their “religion” as most of them are secularists!

James Ard

I second the stop scaring the children sentiment. Whatever ill fortunes befall the purveyors of the doom is hardly sufficient punishment for the wrong they have done.

Paul in Sweden

Well PsychoClimastrology is right up there with CAGW communication. Whatever the problem is, I’m sure it can be cured by Surveys & studies, Carbon-Indulgences and more government regulation.

Chris B

Shoshin says:
August 15, 2014 at 7:31 am
It’s all about classic religion-based fear marketing. People give $$ because of the fear of going to hell. Therefore, the religion markets hell. A religion based on “don’t worry, all is fine” would be broke.
I find it utterly amazing that hard core alarmists will not accept data and science that show that apocalypse is not nigh, but would rather cling to their religion of catastrophe. Illogical, but such are the vagaries of faith.
_______________________________________
One could argue that believers in the more traditional religions have a better awareness of the difference between what is believed on faith and what is scientifically determined fact than those who claim no faith. The rise of CAGWism at the same time as Atheism may not be coincidental.

Chuck

People will always worry about something. It’s human nature. Climate alarmists must have pretty good lives if climate change is the worst thing they have to worry about.

Mumbles McGuirck

And then there is “the other side of the coin”. I remember the sense of relief and happiness I felt when I first came to understand that carbon dioxide and human activity played a very minor role in climate forcing. The worry that we were somehow responsible for climate in some way was gone and the pressure to ‘do something’ alleviated. I’ve become a much happier person since then and I’ve learned to laugh at Al Gore, not get angry at him. 🙂

mikeishere

These people would not be deluded if not for the efforts of climate change charlatans so I’d rather imply some pity for them as being “duped”. As Mark Twain almost said, “It’s easier to dupe a person than to convince them they’ve been duped.”

Tom O

Imagine a world that is divided between the “haves” and the “have nots.” Imagine that the haves control power AND people through money and media. Imagine that the haves actually feel like they don’t have enough, and the have nots stand in the way of their ultimate goal of cornering all the wealth in the world.
Now imagine the frustration of those “haves” when they see the “have nots” enjoying their world and having children to share their world with. Now imagine that the cyclic nature of “nature” is moving in a direction where they can utilize that natural cycle to eliminate some of these troublesome “have nots” and their children.
The first step is to hire a bunch of “chicken littles” to create a diversion from reality, so that the “have nots” would not realize what was coming. You create a great green sham of “AGW” to scare them into giving up their future and their children’s future so that there would be “something” for their grandchildren and beyond. Simultaneously, you take over the education of the children and turn them against the society and family that gave them life, liberty, and the ability to pursue that which might bring happiness into their lives. And they now not only hate their families and their society for destroying the future for them, they also hate themselves since they are trapped in the perceived matrix of destroying Gaia.
So now you have the “haves” and their minions merrily pursuing their lives, you have the bulk of the current “have nots” set up to die off in the coming natural cycle, and the bridging generation of children already sacrificing themselves and THEIR potential children for the sake of saving Gaia. Yes, it will take some bullets, too, as the “have nots” fight to the death over the scraps left by the onsetting ice age, be it mini or more, and the “haves” and their minions will ride our the interim time while the vast majority of humanity – actually all of the race that the word “humanity” applies to – die out. And now you have Ted Turner’s 700 million or so left, which, as he said, is all that the planet needs.
The “AGW” people fight on to support their future with the “haves,” not because it is “religious” with them. You are mistaking greed for religious zeal. I’m not talking about the brain washed “foot soldiers” in the this war on humanity, I am talking about the leaders – the Gores, Obamas, etc., and their true high level minions such as Mann, Jones, et al. Those lesser luminaries that crank out the daffy papers tying increased cases of measles to climate change, or other such silly crap, these are the expendables, and they will be left unprotected when the remnants or the race are fighting over scraps. If you can imagine this, I think you can then understand why facts and data do not change the argument.

Resourceguy

Just don’t call it science. If you want a real dose of science, look up Leonard Guarante at MIT. He was reluctant to pursue a career in biology because of its soft side, but excelled at it in the then-emerging field of molecular biology.

earwig42

And yet— Almost all their real programs are working as desired.
John Kerry wants African parents let their children die because more reliable energy would be a bad thing for the ENVIRONMENT. That is almost criminal stupidity, or, could it be part of a plan to reduce the earth’s population of those nasty humans?

Steve Oregon

My diagnosis.
It’s like a psychological Green Gangrene which rots away the mental capacity to recognize and measure significance which relieves the afflicted of the burden of applying honest judgement.
The petty becomes critical, the most germane is missed entirely while a limitless need to see what is believed propagates a steady stream of imaginary evils to justify their disability as an advantage
of superiority.
Compounding this severe problem is what I call Yabutosis. This is the very common impulsive reaction to being confronted with reality where all sorts of ya but this and ya but that are offered up as secondary considerations to add false value to the preceding misjudgment in hopes of turning the bad idea into a good one anyway.
There may be no cure for the combined Green Gangrene-Yabutosis. The loss of mental capacity may be too severe.This may be why so may refuse to admit the wrongness of their beliefs.
It is just too scary to imagine they have what may be a permanently debilitating disorder.
However, it may be they simply need to be sat down and scolded for being such a dumb ass and they’ll snap out of it. If that is the case I volunteer to verbally abuse as many of them as possible.
For medicinal purposes, their mental well being and the betterment of the human race and planet.

CaligulaJones

If the True Climate Believers didn’t give off such a strong whiff of nihilistic misanthropic angst, maybe they’d be able to sell things a little better.

Eric Worrall said
“Osama Bin Laden attempted to recruit frustrated environmentalists into his global Jihad”
I made this video back then in response to that.

Andy

Dr: “Great news Mr Smith your terminal cancer was a complete misdiagnosis, you’re going to be fine with a long and healthy life ahead!”
Patient: “You denier! Shant believe you! I’m depressed now. Why won’t I die? Boohoo”

Eric Worrall said
“Osama Bin Laden attempted to recruit frustrated environmentalists into his global Jihad”
I made this video back then in response to that.
oops I meant to post this video.

latecommer2014

The understanding that you have been wrong for an extended period of time is often depressing. Nothing new here

It’s not necessary to psychoanalyze this phenomenon. Climate Change/Weirding is a profitable undertaking so long as government pours money into it. Without massive infusion of public funds the “market” for solar, wind, electric cars and other dubious enterprises will vanish. Alarmism has been its own worst enemy, as evidence of Mannian shenanigans comes to light. But simply exposing such academic malfeasance is not enough: political force must pressure politicians to cut off the spigot.

TJ

CAGW people are modern day apocalyptics – “only a few years left to save the planet”! My favorite apocalyptics were the Millerites, who followed the precepts of preacher William Miller. Based on his study of the Bible, he predicted the end of the world in 1843. When that didn’t happen, he took a Mulligan and said the new date was actually 1844. When that didn’t happen, it left his followers “disillusioned, bewildered, and despaired”. Precisely what is happening now to the CAGW crowd, who are suffering from what psychologists call the “True Believer” syndrome. Pathetic and sad, but not without historical precedent.

latecommer2014

John Kerry was “criminally stupid” when I knew him in Vietnam Nam, and he is criminally stupid still.

MarkW

M Courtney says:
August 15, 2014 at 7:16 am
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Earth Liberation Front may not be international terrorism, but it’s no stretch of the imagination to refer to them as terrorists.
There is an element of the environmentalist movement that is more than willing to use violence to achieve their goals.
Does anyone doubt that Sea Shepherds would sink whalers if they could?