Guest essay by Steven Burnett
Most of my income is derived from tutoring, with part being tied into the Google helpouts system. One of my most loyal customers for my physics and mathematics tutoring sent me a link to a $10,000 reward challenge for skeptics. Which is now up to $30,000, seen here.
Below is what I wrote back with minor edits. While I could have added more links, or graphs, I feel that this synopsis is the most compact skeptic’s case, without dropping off too many details. Perhaps I should submit it for $30,000.
These kinds of challenges pop up all the time here’s one for creationism:
The problem with the climate change challenge is that no one is denying that there is likely an anthropogenic signal. The question is how much.
This article probably offers one of the better overviews of the issue
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/06/20/global-warming-of-the-earths-surface-has-decelerated-viewpoint/
You can demonstrate in a lab that CO2 absorbs IR wavelengths within the same range as the earth gives off. The data shows that the northern hemisphere has had a shift in the mean temperature since before the industrial revolution.
Overwhelmingly the people pushing the issue like to try to box skeptics in by presenting it as an all or nothing issue, which those who don’t read skeptic statements take on faith. In reality the skeptic’s side has a much larger range of stances on the issues, I have tried to bold them out. There are some people who make ridiculously stupid claims that there is no anthropogenic signal but it’s a very small minority. Many skeptics feel that they are just internet trolls, we try not to feed them.
A better way to examine skeptics is to look at them as scientific critics, and more specifically to evaluate the criticisms as issues with each step of the scientific method in climate science fields. The standard scientific method goes:
Observations->Hypothesis->Experiment->Analysis. If we were to go back to the ’90’s Then we could state that this was doled out as…
Observations: A warming/CO2 concentration correlation and CO2 absorbs IR spectra, the same trend in the ice core data existed,
Hypothesis: Emissions cause global warming,
Experiment: Climate Model,
Analysis: a close approximation of the hind cast, statistically significant temperature increases, hockey sticks, etc. Through the late 1990’s and early 2000’s the conclusion that global warming is real was scientifically acceptable. The next stage is usually peer review and scrutiny and this is where the theory ran into problems.
The Problems:
The observations aren’t very good prior to the late ’70’s and they get worse as we go back to the earliest records. We weren’t looking for tenths of a degree trends and we weren’t controlling our instruments for them. Stations have been moved, cities have grown etc, all of which would induce a warming bias on those stations, the data is frankly of poor quality. But there are other problems that came up. The ice core data, using better instrumentation, actually shows CO2 lagging behind temperature changes. More importantly temperatures stopped rising on all data sets, but CO2 levels continued their upward expansion. We also have not detected the “hot spot” that was sure to be proof of an anthropogenic contribution.
Our Hypothesis for how the climate system operates is essentially coded into the climate models. There are 114 of them that are used by the IPCC all of them are going up, all of them are rising faster than observations and most of them have been falsified. But the work falsifying them is very recent.
This paper falsifies the last 20 years of simulations at the 90% confidence interval, within that blog entry you can find another paper that falsifies them at the 98% confidence interval. That paper cites a third that falsified at the 95% confidence interval. What this means is that there is less than a 10%, 2% or 5% chance that the models are wrong by chance.
As the models are mathematical representations of how we think the climate system operates, that means climate scientists were wrong. In response there has been a flurry of activity attempting to attribute the pause and explain it, but explaining a problem with mathematical models after it occurred and claiming that your hypothesis will still be born out requires its own period of time to validate.
There are well over 10 different attributions at this point for the pause, most of them entirely explaining it away. This means the pause in its current state is over explained and more than one of those papers is wrong. In science we aim for a chance at being wrong of 5%, apparently climate science gets a pass.
This divergence also has impacted the metric known as climate sensitivity. Climate sensitivities note a thermal increase of 1.2-1.5 C per doubling of CO2, as in if we went form the current 400ppm CO2 to 800PPM CO2 the temperatures would rise approximately 1.2-1.5 degrees, climate simulations produce much higher results typically between 3 and 4.5 degrees per doubling.
Digging even further there are major issues with the models, our experiments, themselves. Depending on the compiler, operating system and even hardware modeling output can change due to rounding errors. They can’t predict clouds. Nor do they have the resolution to see many of the atmospheric processes that transport heat. But that’s only the climate models themselves. The impact models, or integrated assessment models have almost no data upon which to base their claims. That’s why the IPCC stated that the costs of climate change for 2.5 degrees of warming range from .2%-2% of world GDP. This is again for predictions almost 100 years in the future, which at this time are untestable and unfalsifiable.
When evaluating the cost of a ton of CO2 emissions the integrated assessment models depend very heavily on the discount rate. The current administration cites a discount rate of 3% at 37$ per ton but the most appropriate discount rate, and the one which long term assessments are supposed to be performed at is 7%. This means the actual social cost of carbon is about 4-5$ per ton. As was discussed in an EPW senate hearing, the current administration has failed to produce the 7% discount rate as is required and instead produced 5%, 3% and 2.5% rates. The reason the cost varies so much is partially due to uncertainty in the integrated assessment models which are fed the outputs of the GCM’s. A common coding colloquialism is GIGO garbage in garbage out.
But the worst issue is the analysis. As part of the attempts to preserve the theory there have been some gross statistical practices and data torture employed. The first monstrosity to be slain was Michael Mann’s hockey stick which used a special algorithm to weight his tree samples. That was taken down by Steven McIntyre a statistician who proved not only the weighting issue, but also found the splice point of thermometer data when the proxy and thermometer temperatures diverged.
There have since been several other hockey-sticks, all of which go down as giant flaming piles of poo. Trenberth’s hockey stick, also from dendrochronology, died when it was pointed out that he was using a special sub-selection of only 12 trees, and that when his entire data set was used the hockey-stick disappeared. In 2013 Marcott et al published a hockey-stick on his graph that averaged multiple proxies except the the blade portion was generated using only about 3 of the proxies, that weren’t statistically robust, had some proxy date rearrangement issues, which coincided with the industrial revolution.
You have mentioned the 97% consensus papers which do exist but they are atrocious. Cook et al. has been rebutted several times actually I recommend further reading some of the issues that Brandon Schollenberger has pointed out as well, though it’s not peer reviewed. The earlier 97% paper by Doran and Zimmerman was equally stupid the wallstreet journal touched on both but I recommend this site for a thorough critique. Truthfully the number of abstracts and methodologies I have read that are complete garbage from this field is astounding so I’m not going to try to link them all.
The question ultimately becomes what piece of evidence is required before admitting that climate may not be as sensitive to anthropogenic emissions as once thought?
Outside of the problems with their scientific methodology there’s also some ethics issues that seem to keep cropping up. A statistician working for a left leaning think tank was just terminated because he wrote a piece about the statistically weak case for anthropogenic warming. About a month before that Lennart Bengtsson, a climate scientist tried to join a more conservative and skeptical climate change think tan. He had to resign due to threats, authors withdrawing from his papers and general concern for his safety and wellbeing.
A paper of his, focused on the discrepancy between models and observations, was rejected with the rejecting review stating they recommended it in part because they felt it might be harmful. The reviewer also mentioned that climate models should not be validated against observational data. A few years ago it was climate-gate.
A psychology paper tried to name skeptics as conspiracy nuts, when it was retracted citing ethical reasons, the researchers and their community cited it as being perfectly ok to debase your opponents and that the retraction was due to lawsuits. The clamoring defense got so antagonistic the publisher had to reinforce the rejection was due to the papers ethics violations, language and the failure or unwillingness of the authors to make changes. There’s also the paper that says lying and exaggerating results is OK.
If you read skeptical science they try to rebut skeptic claims but nine times out of ten they use strawmen, ad hominems or other logical fallacies. For instance a good argument can be made that cheap affordable fossil fuel energy can greatly improve the poorest nations of the world, and that denying them access to this resource is harmful. They rebut it by pointing out that projected climate damages, impact the poorest nations the most. That might be true but it’s not the same argument. Depriving impoverished nations of the energy they need to grow, enforcing poverty and mandating foreign dependence for 85 years, so that the poor might not have to suffer from as many storms in the future is frankly asinine.
But let’s say you’re not skeptical of the ethics, or their methodological flaws. Let’s say you decide you want avert the future risk now. You can still be skeptical of the proposed solutions. For instance let’s look at energy policy. The cheapest, most effective and simplest energy policy would be a carbon tax. Again 4$ per ton accurately prices future damages. It also allows countries and markets to work instead of hoping bureaucrats don’t screw it up. Essentially a carbon tax penalizes carbon for its actual cost instead of giving enormous power to unelected officials like what the EPA just did.
But maybe you don’t believe in markets, maybe you believe the government isn’t as incompetent as they seem to keep trying to prove. That’s fine, you can still be skeptical of how the money is being spent. In the US solar receives an unbelievable amount of market favoritism, you start by getting a 40% tax credit on every installation. Additionally while all sectors recoup their capital investments over time as the assets depreciate, solar recoups 100% of its cost in under 5 years, that’s less time than an office chair. With these perks solar is still the most expensive form of electricity generation.
When you correct for just the tax credit solar costs increase to almost 140$/mwhr for standard installations, that goes up for thermal solar. Correcting for wind’s tax credit this goes up to about 88$ MwHr. The intermittancy on the grid is an externality that should be accounted for, from there you have to factor in the degradation of wind and solar as a cost factor, which when integrated over their life span multiplies their cost by almost 4.5.
Nuclear at an approximate 96$/MWhr is substantially cheaper, has a lower life cycle carbon emission, lasts longer and is safer. But we only hear about improving renewable contributions when they are literally worse in every way.
These are issues that we can have with the scientific authenticity of the theory. The next step would be falsification, but It’s difficult to find a piece of falsifying evidence. No matter what happens now or in the future global warming/climate change seems to predict it. We have both warmer and cooler spring/summer/fall/winter. There’s droughts and floods, cold/hot. Literally in 2009/2010 we were hearing how climate change will totally cause more snow in winter when just a few years before it was the end of snowy winters. Hell that was four years ago and they were still blaming crappy Olympic conditions on global warming this year, ignoring entirely that the average temperature for that part of Russia in February is above freezing throughout the whole damn record.
We have almost 2 decades of no temperature trend, and a net negative for a little over a decade. That’s apparently not enough. There are periods within this interglacial that have been warmer, and periods that have been cooler. So what is the reference period of a climatic normal? A few hundred years ago temperature spiked without greenhouse gas emissions, the period of 1914-1940 showed a similar rate and trend as the 1980-200 period, why is the latter anthropogenic and the former not? How is CO2 the driving force this time when there is scant to no evidence that it has ever been the major force in the past?
Why should we believe the corrections or explanations for the pause, the same individuals hyping them were the same ones pointing out how perfect the models were just a few years ago? there is no mechanism by which heat remitted in the lower atmosphere magically descends to the deepest layer of the ocean. the one we just started to measure a few years ago and from which there still aren’t reliable measurements, also the region that is bounded by warmer upper oceans and geothermal heating. How does it get there without being detectable in the upper atmosphere, lower atmosphere or upper oceanic level? Nor is there a mechanism to describe how it could possibly all concentrate in the arctic where we also don’t have any measurements.
Where do we draw the scientific line between natural or artificial trends, and how do we know that line is accurate? Why shouldn’t climate science be required to validate? What is falsifying evidence? Faced with the mountain of problems surrounding uncertainty, poor methodology, awful ethics and analysis, most skeptics, myself included just call the whole thing bullshit.
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I’ve been having fun with a low temp handheld IR Thermometer, I measure the sky, and have started measuring my concrete sidewalk, asphalt drive, and the grass in the yard.
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270 66.3 F 07-04-14/21:36:22
271 66.3 F 07-04-14/21:36:22
272 66.3 F 07-04-14/21:36:23
273 66.9 F 07-04-14/21:36:23
274 66.2 F 07-04-14/21:36:24
275 66.9 F 07-04-14/21:36:24
276 66.2 F 07-04-14/21:36:25
277 66.2 F 07-04-14/21:36:25
278 66.2 F 07-04-14/21:36:26
279 65.8 F 07-04-14/21:36:26
280 65.8 F 07-04-14/21:36:27
281 65.8 F 07-04-14/21:36:27
282 65.3 F 07-04-14/21:36:28
283 65.3 F 07-04-14/21:36:28
284 65.3 F 07-04-14/21:36:28
285 65.3 F 07-04-14/21:36:29
286 65.3 F 07-04-14/21:36:29
287 66.3 F 07-04-14/21:36:30
288 65.4 F 07-04-14/21:36:30
289 65.1 F 07-04-14/21:36:31
290 65.1 F 07-04-14/21:36:31
291 65.1 F 07-04-14/21:36:32
292 64.4 F 07-04-14/21:36:32
293 64.4 F 07-04-14/21:36:33
294 65.1 F 07-04-14/21:36:33
295 65.1 F 07-04-14/21:36:33
296 65.8 F 07-04-14/21:36:34
297 65.3 F 07-04-14/21:36:34
298 64.9 F 07-04-14/21:36:35
299 64.9 F 07-04-14/21:36:35
300 65.3 F 07-04-14/21:36:36
301 66.0 F 07-04-14/21:36:36
302 66.0 F 07-04-14/21:36:37
303 66.0 F 07-04-14/21:36:37
304 66.0 F 07-04-14/21:36:38
305 66.0 F 07-04-14/21:36:38
306 66.0 F 07-04-14/21:36:38
307 66.0 F 07-04-14/21:36:39
308 66.0 F 07-04-14/21:36:39
309 66.0 F 07-04-14/21:36:40
310 66.0 F 07-04-14/21:36:40
311 66.0 F 07-04-14/21:36:41
312 66.3 F 07-04-14/21:36:41
313 66.3 F 07-04-14/21:36:42
314 67.1 F 07-04-14/21:36:42
315 66.7 F 07-04-14/21:36:43
316 66.7 F 07-04-14/21:36:43
317 66.7 F 07-04-14/21:36:43
318 66.7 F 07-04-14/21:36:44
319 66.7 F 07-04-14/21:36:44
320 66.7 F 07-04-14/21:36:45
321 66.7 F 07-04-14/21:36:45
322 66.7 F 07-04-14/21:36:46
323 66.7 F 07-04-14/21:36:46
324 67.1 F 07-04-14/21:36:47
325 66.7 F 07-04-14/21:36:47
326 67.4 F 07-04-14/21:36:48
327 68.5 F 07-04-14/21:36:48
328 70.1 F 07-04-14/21:36:49
329 72.8 F 07-04-14/21:36:49
330 74.4 F 07-04-14/21:36:49
331 74.4 F 07-04-14/21:36:50
332 75.2 F 07-04-14/21:36:50
333 75.5 F 07-04-14/21:36:51
334 75.3 F 07-04-14/21:36:51
335 75.3 F 07-04-14/21:36:52
336 74.8 F 07-04-14/21:36:52
337 75.3 F 07-04-14/21:36:53
338 75.7 F 07-04-14/21:36:53
339 75.7 F 07-04-14/21:36:54
340 74.8 F 07-04-14/21:36:54
341 74.8 F 07-04-14/21:36:54
342 74.8 F 07-04-14/21:36:55
343 74.8 F 07-04-14/21:36:55
344 74.8 F 07-04-14/21:36:56
345 74.8 F 07-04-14/21:36:56
346 75.3 F 07-04-14/21:36:57
347 75.3 F 07-04-14/21:36:57
348 74.6 F 07-04-14/21:36:58
349 75.2 F 07-04-14/21:36:58
350 75.2 F 07-04-14/21:36:59
351 75.2 F 07-04-14/21:36:59
352 75.2 F 07-04-14/21:36:59
353 75.2 F 07-04-14/21:37:00
354 75.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:00
355 74.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:01
356 74.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:01
357 74.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:02
358 75.3 F 07-04-14/21:37:02
359 74.4 F 07-04-14/21:37:03
360 74.4 F 07-04-14/21:37:03
361 74.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:04
362 74.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:04
363 74.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:04
364 75.3 F 07-04-14/21:37:05
365 75.0 F 07-04-14/21:37:06
366 75.0 F 07-04-14/21:37:06
367 73.7 F 07-04-14/21:37:07
368 71.9 F 07-04-14/21:37:07
369 68.7 F 07-04-14/21:37:08
370 68.1 F 07-04-14/21:37:08
371 66.9 F 07-04-14/21:37:09
372 66.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:09
373 66.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:10
374 66.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:10
375 66.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:10
376 67.1 F 07-04-14/21:37:11
377 65.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:11
378 65.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:12
379 65.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:12
380 65.1 F 07-04-14/21:37:13
381 65.1 F 07-04-14/21:37:13
382 64.2 F 07-04-14/21:37:14
383 64.2 F 07-04-14/21:37:14
384 64.2 F 07-04-14/21:37:15
385 64.2 F 07-04-14/21:37:15
386 64.7 F 07-04-14/21:37:15
387 65.1 F 07-04-14/21:37:16
388 65.1 F 07-04-14/21:37:16
389 65.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:17
390 65.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:17
391 65.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:18
392 65.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:18
393 64.9 F 07-04-14/21:37:19
394 65.4 F 07-04-14/21:37:19
395 65.4 F 07-04-14/21:37:20
396 64.4 F 07-04-14/21:37:20
397 64.4 F 07-04-14/21:37:20
398 64.2 F 07-04-14/21:37:21
399 63.1 F 07-04-14/21:37:21
400 63.1 F 07-04-14/21:37:22
401 63.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:22
402 62.6 F 07-04-14/21:37:23
403 62.6 F 07-04-14/21:37:23
404 65.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:24
405 61.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:24
406 62.2 F 07-04-14/21:37:25
407 65.4 F 07-04-14/21:37:25
408 61.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:25
409 61.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:26
410 63.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:26
411 61.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:27
412 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:27
413 62.2 F 07-04-14/21:37:28
414 62.6 F 07-04-14/21:37:28
415 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:29
416 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:29
417 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:30
418 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:30
419 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:30
420 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:31
421 61.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:31
422 60.9 F 07-04-14/21:37:32
423 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:32
424 60.9 F 07-04-14/21:37:33
425 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:33
426 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:34
427 63.1 F 07-04-14/21:37:34
428 61.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:35
429 61.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:35
430 61.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:36
431 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:36
432 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:36
433 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:37
434 61.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:37
435 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:38
436 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:38
437 62.4 F 07-04-14/21:37:39
438 30.2 F 07-04-14/21:37:42
439 61.1 F 07-04-14/21:37:43
440 61.1 F 07-04-14/21:37:43
441 62.6 F 07-04-14/21:37:44
442 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:44
443 63.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:45
444 71.4 F 07-04-14/21:37:45
445 73.7 F 07-04-14/21:37:46
446 62.9 F 07-04-14/21:37:46
447 62.9 F 07-04-14/21:37:47
448 62.2 F 07-04-14/21:37:47
449 62.6 F 07-04-14/21:37:48
450 61.7 F 07-04-14/21:37:48
451 61.7 F 07-04-14/21:37:49
452 61.7 F 07-04-14/21:37:49
453 61.7 F 07-04-14/21:37:50
454 61.7 F 07-04-14/21:37:50
455 61.7 F 07-04-14/21:37:50
456 61.7 F 07-04-14/21:37:51
457 61.7 F 07-04-14/21:37:51
458 61.7 F 07-04-14/21:37:52
459 61.7 F 07-04-14/21:37:52
460 62.0 F 07-04-14/21:37:53
461 61.1 F 07-04-14/21:37:54
462 61.1 F 07-04-14/21:37:54
463 61.1 F 07-04-14/21:37:55
464 61.1 F 07-04-14/21:37:55
465 61.1 F 07-04-14/21:37:55
466 61.1 F 07-04-14/21:37:56
467 61.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:56
468 61.8 F 07-04-14/21:37:57
469 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:57
470 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:58
471 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:58
472 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:59
473 61.5 F 07-04-14/21:37:59
This is Concrete sidewalk, grass, sidewalk, zenith (I usually move it around straight up to find the coldest temp), back to sidewalk, grass, then I walked the sidewalk (afternoon shade starts at the door), then asphalt, walked the sidewalk back to the door.
Summary. @9:37 PM NE Ohio (41N Lat)
The grass cooled the fasted/doesn’t get as hot during the day. ~52F
Concrete ~67F
Asphalt ~75F
Lastly this is the important part the sky was ~-41F
Air temp was ~65F, Dew point was ~50F Air Pressure was ~30.16 and was near the peak
Rel Humidity was ~63%
Clear skies are cold, middle of summer it’s still below freezing (even with my thermometer not detecting Co2 IR, it’s still measuring the thermalized temps of the molecules). Now, I do see a large change when it’s really hot an humid, Here found one:
NO DATA UNIT TIME
1 88.5 F 07-01-14/18:54:20
2 88.5 F 07-01-14/18:54:21
3 88.8 F 07-01-14/18:54:21
4 88.5 F 07-01-14/18:54:22
5 88.5 F 07-01-14/18:54:22
6 88.8 F 07-01-14/18:54:23
7 88.8 F 07-01-14/18:54:23
8 88.8 F 07-01-14/18:54:23
9 88.8 F 07-01-14/18:54:24
10 88.8 F 07-01-14/18:54:24
11 88.8 F 07-01-14/18:54:25
12 88.8 F 07-01-14/18:54:25
13 84.7 F 07-01-14/18:54:26
14 81.6 F 07-01-14/18:54:26
15 81.6 F 07-01-14/18:54:27
16 81.6 F 07-01-14/18:54:27
17 81.6 F 07-01-14/18:54:28
18 81.6 F 07-01-14/18:54:28
19 80.9 F 07-01-14/18:54:28
20 80.9 F 07-01-14/18:54:29
21 81.5 F 07-01-14/18:54:29
22 81.5 F 07-01-14/18:54:30
23 82.0 F 07-01-14/18:54:30
24 82.0 F 07-01-14/18:54:31
25 82.0 F 07-01-14/18:54:31
26 82.0 F 07-01-14/18:54:32
27 81.5 F 07-01-14/18:54:32
28 82.2 F 07-01-14/18:54:33
29 82.0 F 07-01-14/18:54:33
30 81.5 F 07-01-14/18:54:33
31 81.5 F 07-01-14/18:54:34
32 82.0 F 07-01-14/18:54:35
33 81.6 F 07-01-14/18:54:35
34 81.6 F 07-01-14/18:54:36
35 81.6 F 07-01-14/18:54:37
36 82.2 F 07-01-14/18:54:37
37 82.2 F 07-01-14/18:54:38
38 82.2 F 07-01-14/18:54:38
39 82.2 F 07-01-14/18:54:39
40 82.2 F 07-01-14/18:54:39
41 81.6 F 07-01-14/18:54:40
42 82.4 F 07-01-14/18:54:40
43 81.8 F 07-01-14/18:54:41
44 89.4 F 07-01-14/18:54:41
45 89.9 F 07-01-14/18:54:42
46 89.9 F 07-01-14/18:54:42
47 89.9 F 07-01-14/18:54:43
48 89.9 F 07-01-14/18:54:43
49 89.9 F 07-01-14/18:54:44
50 89.9 F 07-01-14/18:54:44
51 89.9 F 07-01-14/18:54:44
52 89.9 F 07-01-14/18:54:45
53 89.4 F 07-01-14/18:54:45
54 89.4 F 07-01-14/18:54:46
55 89.4 F 07-01-14/18:54:46
56 90.1 F 07-01-14/18:54:47
57 90.1 F 07-01-14/18:54:47
58 90.1 F 07-01-14/18:54:48
59 89.6 F 07-01-14/18:54:48
60 89.6 F 07-01-14/18:54:49
61 89.6 F 07-01-14/18:54:49
62 90.3 F 07-01-14/18:54:49
63 90.3 F 07-01-14/18:54:50
64 90.3 F 07-01-14/18:54:50
65 89.2 F 07-01-14/18:54:51
66 41.9 F 07-01-14/18:54:51
67 32.0 F 07-01-14/18:54:52
68 31.7 F 07-01-14/18:54:52
69 31.7 F 07-01-14/18:54:53
70 31.7 F 07-01-14/18:54:53
71 31.7 F 07-01-14/18:54:54
72 31.7 F 07-01-14/18:54:54
73 31.7 F 07-01-14/18:54:54
74 31.7 F 07-01-14/18:54:55
75 31.7 F 07-01-14/18:54:55
76 31.7 F 07-01-14/18:54:56
77 31.7 F 07-01-14/18:54:56
78 31.7 F 07-01-14/18:54:57
79 31.7 F 07-01-14/18:54:57
80 31.7 F 07-01-14/18:54:58
81 31.7 F 07-01-14/18:54:58
82 31.7 F 07-01-14/18:54:59
83 32.1 F 07-01-14/18:54:59
84 32.1 F 07-01-14/18:55:00
85 32.1 F 07-01-14/18:55:00
86 32.1 F 07-01-14/18:55:00
87 31.9 F 07-01-14/18:55:01
88 32.3 F 07-01-14/18:55:01
89 32.9 F 07-01-14/18:55:02
90 32.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:02
91 32.3 F 07-01-14/18:55:03
92 32.3 F 07-01-14/18:55:03
93 32.3 F 07-01-14/18:55:04
94 32.3 F 07-01-14/18:55:04
95 32.3 F 07-01-14/18:55:05
96 32.3 F 07-01-14/18:55:05
97 32.3 F 07-01-14/18:55:05
98 33.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:06
99 32.3 F 07-01-14/18:55:06
100 32.3 F 07-01-14/18:55:07
101 32.3 F 07-01-14/18:55:07
102 33.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:08
103 33.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:08
104 33.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:09
105 33.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:09
106 33.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:10
107 33.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:10
108 33.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:10
109 33.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:11
110 33.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:11
111 33.8 F 07-01-14/18:55:12
112 33.8 F 07-01-14/18:55:12
113 33.8 F 07-01-14/18:55:13
114 33.2 F 07-01-14/18:55:13
115 35.9 F 07-01-14/18:55:14
116 78.2 F 07-01-14/18:55:14
117 79.3 F 07-01-14/18:55:15
118 78.9 F 07-01-14/18:55:15
119 78.9 F 07-01-14/18:55:15
120 79.3 F 07-01-14/18:55:16
121 78.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:16
122 60.8 F 07-01-14/18:55:17
123 58.4 F 07-01-14/18:55:17
124 59.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:18
125 77.3 F 07-01-14/18:55:18
126 78.8 F 07-01-14/18:55:19
127 78.8 F 07-01-14/18:55:19
128 79.1 F 07-01-14/18:55:20
129 80.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:20
130 80.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:21
131 69.4 F 07-01-14/18:55:21
132 64.4 F 07-01-14/18:55:21
133 63.1 F 07-01-14/18:55:22
134 60.6 F 07-01-14/18:55:22
135 55.2 F 07-01-14/18:55:23
136 58.4 F 07-01-14/18:55:23
137 60.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:24
138 60.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:24
139 47.8 F 07-01-14/18:55:25
140 35.4 F 07-01-14/18:55:25
141 34.5 F 07-01-14/18:55:26
142 34.5 F 07-01-14/18:55:26
143 34.5 F 07-01-14/18:55:26
144 35.6 F 07-01-14/18:55:27
145 35.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:27
146 35.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:28
147 35.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:28
148 35.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:29
149 35.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:29
150 35.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:30
151 35.0 F 07-01-14/18:55:30
152 74.1 F 07-01-14/18:55:31
153 91.7 F 07-01-14/18:55:31
154 91.7 F 07-01-14/18:55:31
155 91.7 F 07-01-14/18:55:32
156 92.1 F 07-01-14/18:55:32
157 92.1 F 07-01-14/18:55:33
158 92.1 F 07-01-14/18:55:33
Sidewalk,grass,sidewalk,zenith, I think the next bunch of readings were cloudy areas, zenith, sidewalk. There’s still close to a 60F difference. Air temp was ~88F at the time.
Humans have drastically altered the surface of the planet, greatly increasing the solar warming of the surface, but even still clear skies are not the limiting factor to cooling, clouds are.
I can prove global warming is a hoax in one word, “Climategate”. They got caught cooking the temps. and are still cooking the temps.
Alberta Slim says:
July 7, 2014 at 6:49 am
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“Please think about this: Put a pot of water on the stove and bring it to a boil. What is the temperature? 100C. Right? Now, turn up the heat. The water boils faster but the temperature stays the same. SO! Any heat picked up by the CO2 also radiates to space faster, thus keeping the earth in equilibrium [on average].”
But that would mean that all adding radiative gases to the atmosphere would do is increase the rate of tropospheric convective circulation (and maybe cause immeasurably small cooling). The Church of Radiative Climastrology has decreed that the speed of vertical tropospheric circulation is unchanged for increasing concentrations of radiative gases! What you preach is heresy, blasphemer!! Repent now lest ye be branded “CO2 heretic”!!!
Are we seeing a new trolling technique on this thread?
Alberta Slim says:
July 7, 2014 at 6:49 am
“Please think about this: Put a pot of water on the stove and bring it to a boil. What is the temperature? 100C. Right? Now, turn up the heat. The water boils faster but the temperature stays the same. SO! Any heat picked up by the CO2 also radiates to space faster, thus keeping the earth in equlibrium [on average].”
Your mechanism is correct with regards to the ocean surface temperature. but the reason the atmosphere doesn’t get warmer is because evaporation/convection is primarily latent heat which bypasses warming the lower atmosphere.
Think of it this way, a packet of warm moist air rises and expands, but does not transfer heat to the adjoining air. We can literally watch it happening in a thunder storm. I have measured and confirmed it in a sailplane.
What this means for CO2, is that the transpiration loop (the majority of the energy flux in the lower atmosphere) largely bypasses it.
Here’s a an idea. Submit a claim of proof, and if it is denied, file a claim in small claims court in your local jurisdiction. Imagine if dozens, or hundreds of people were to do this? It would be like mini-Scopes trials all across the country.
The main point of contention is not whether human emissions affect the climate*, but the impact of human emissions on the climate. Will burning fossil fuels lead to climate-related catastrophe? The contest turns this on it’s head and instead asks us to refute a strawman.
* BTW, this isn’t “scientifically proven,” either. Saying “all these emissions must be causing something” is a statement of belief, not fact. It’s not a baseless statement, but it’s still not scientific.
Genghis says:
July 7, 2014 at 8:18 a
From above ….. it seems that you and I agree.
The warm moist air expands and rises, and that warm moist air has CO2 in it.
Water vapour and CO2 are coolants .
We’ve been told by alarmists that CO2 is like a blanket and traps heat which back-radiates to heat the earth.
I say no.
Next question: If I take the insulation out of my house attic and replace it with airtight bags of CO2, will it “trap” the heat from my house and back radiate it, thereby reducing my heating bill??
I doubt it……………
Quite right. A model is an hypothesis. The experiment is to compare the output of the model with the actual climate.
Small edits to consider before submitting:
we went form — should be from
1980-200 — missing a digit
think tan. — missing a k
John M Reynolds
Why not just bet this clown $10,000 USD that not a single IPCC projection of global average temperature from 2007 will be below the actual global average by the end of 2014. He can go double or nothing on the same bet in 2015, 2016, etc., if he’d like. If he has so much faith in his religion then why wouldn’t he take this bet?
Even the Climategate con-men had to admit that thr atmosphere has not warmed as predicted by the comically phoney computer models. The correlation of co2 and warm periods show, if anything, that warmer times allow for more co2 to be absorbed in the atmosphere. Of coutse conmen like algore have been exposed as liars by reversing even this cotrelation because thiS historical record points to the fallacy of the argargument. The atmosphere has been cooling just as it has during past solar minimas.
Sorry Stevie, but there are so many of us who have serioisly studied this issue to the point of absolute certainty. Anybody who clsims to be able to “tease” an anthropogenic signal out of black and white data has been found out at closer inspection to be lying and manipulating the data to advance the hoax.
The whole nut of the issue is this; there cannot be any warming, man-made or not, if the atmosphere is cooling. Any deviation from this plain truth is an insulting spit-in-your-face LIE.
The entire issue itself has only a couple dicernable benifits, imo, as an IQ test for the gullible and a bs detector for politicians.
So really, do not tell us that sane people believe its getting warmer when its getting cooler….or that co2 has any measurable affect and that anyone other than the stupid, the liars, and stupid liars believe any part of the hoax….
It is just about the lowest insult one could level at someone imo.
Alberta Slim says:
July 7, 2014 at 8:51 am
“Next question: If I take the insulation out of my house attic and replace it with airtight bags of CO2, will it “trap” the heat from my house and back radiate it, thereby reducing my heating bill??
I doubt it……………”
Actually that is exactly how the insulation in your house works, by trapping air.
And remember one mans insulator is another mans conductor and CO2 seems to be a semiconductor.
@ur momisugly Genghis……………..
I understand how insulation works.
You seem to have missed my point. The warmists tell us the CO2 is like insulation.
Insulation[a solid] slows down the transfer of heat; CO2[a gas] speeds up the transfer of heat.
If you are in the experimentation mood, how about doing an experiment?
Measure the inside and outside temps of the insulation and the place airtight bags of CO2, and measure the inside and out side temps. With a constant heat source.
Tell me what you find
Thanks.
Tom Rowan says:
July 7, 2014 at 9:12 am ……………………………..
I totally agree. The warmists have their faith in AGW. Logic and physics are out.
Genghis says:
July 7, 2014 at 9:29 am
Alberta Slim says:
July 7, 2014 at 8:51 am
“Next question: If I take the insulation out of my house attic and replace it with airtight bags of CO2, will it “trap” the heat from my house and back radiate it, thereby reducing my heating bill??
I doubt it……………”
Actually that is exactly how the insulation in your house works, by trapping air.
And it wouldn’t matter a bean if it were CO2 or N2 or He. Her question is, if it were CO2, would it lower her heating bill by “back radiation”? ‘Cos air alone don’t do that trick.
And no, it wouldn’t. Alas for her heating bill, the IR wavelength in question corresponds to a far, far colder temperature than she really wants her house.
And remember one mans insulator is another mans conductor
??? On what planet?
Junk Science had a contest offering a $500K prize for anyone who could scientifically prove humans are causing harmful global warming: http://ultimateglobalwarmingchallenge.com/
The prize is unclaimed.
pardon my naiveté but isn’t it the responsibility of the entity that postulates a theory to prove it? the burden of proof rests in their court. If I say the moon is made of grey cheese should it become accepted as fact because no one has yet to disprove it? Besides, how can you disprove a theory which says that it causes warming and cooling, more rain and less rain, more snow and less snow and etc.
@davidmhoffer, I’ll take you up on the fertilizer wager. It’s only in carefully measured doses that have a very narrow range that fertilizer enhances plant growth. A little too much will burn the plant and inhibit growth, while a large dose will kill it outright. A person who is unaware of the proper usage and dosage is much more likely to damage or kill the plant by giving it fertilizer. I actually won the same bet in college by overfeeding a plant, though it was for much less money.
Margaret says
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/06/about-that-30000-to-disprove-global-warming-contest/#comment-1678854
henry says
As a gas, CO2 is diffused almost 100%, distributed equally everywhere in the atmosphere.
Places on earth where CO2 is going quickly into the atmosphere (also burning of fossil fuel and wood) may have temporarily a higher concentration than the average, due to the CO2 being heavier than air, but it just takes a little wind and movement to get it diffused again. People who commit suicide by turning the exhaust gas into the [closed] cabin, die of asphyxiation (lack of oxygen), they do not die due to CO2 poisening.
Margaret Smith (July 7, 2014 at 7:28 am )
CO2 is evenly mixed in the atmosphere. Its concentration of about 390+ ppm applies throughout.
Of course, the density of air is higher near the ground but the proportion of CO2 remains about the same. The fact that CO2 is heavier than air doesn’t affect this since the atmosphere is well mixed. If it were not so, we would not be able to breathe because we would be enveloped in CO2 which had displaced the oxygen.
The concentration of CO2 may be assumed to be the same at all altitudes,
HenryP says: July 7, 2014 at 10:50 am
“..People who commit suicide by turning the exhaust gas into the [closed] cabin, die of asphyxiation (lack of oxygen), they do not die due to CO2 poisening…”
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Or is carbon monoxide poisoning?.
MikeB says:
July 7, 2014 at 11:00 am
Margaret Smith (July 7, 2014 at 7:28 am )
CO2 is evenly mixed in the atmosphere. Its concentration of about 390+ ppm applies throughout.
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The claims that it is well mixed are over stated.
See the recent post The Revenge of the Climate Reparations. You will see from the satellite data, that there are substantial variations in the concentration of CO2 accross the globe.
How about the null hypothesis. I trust he is aware of that.
So how about he first prove HIS case. In absence of that proof from him, his case is disproved.
I claim my 30 grand now.
I should say Junk Science offered a prize. Nobody won.
Well, at this moment it looks like all of the pages Keating has devoted to this have their comments closed (full?). Is there another way to submit an entry other than posting a comment on a page at his site? Like an email address etc.?
Thanks.