About that graph…

clip_image001This one:

The title “Battle of the Graphs” certainly lives on, even though it is approaching a decade in age, as there has been a lot of off-topic contention on this WUWT thread as well as a free-for-all bashing over at the “Stoat” a.k.a. William Connolley (who “takes science by the throat”, implying he is some sort of “tough guy”) saying that this graph that appeared in a Telegraph article was erroneous and created by Christopher Monckton.

Based on the simplest available evidence, I was ready to conclude, as were many, that indeed Monckton had created the graph, that it was in error, and that he had refused to admit to any of this.  I was ready to censure him myself, just as the over-the-top Stoaters wanted to do, probably so Connolley could direct a new denigrating Wikipedia entry as he is known to do (he’s not allowed to edit Wikipedia pages of living persons anymore, so he directs by proxy). Now, after further investigation I can tell you I was wrong, and so is Connolley.

If Monckton was wrong I certainly would’ve had no trouble pointing this out just as the Stoaters were doing, but I have one advantage that neither Monckton nor the Stoaters have: I have actually worked at a newspaper and I have submitted articles as a guest author to newspapers. So, I am familiar with the artwork process. Further, I have also published a number of articles from Monckton myself here and I am quite familiar with his style of producing graphs.

Thus, I noticed something about the Telegraph article that no one else seemed to.

WUWT commenter Kevin O’Neill, who also frequents Connolley’s website pointed out in this comment the charges against Monckton.

First let’s have a look at the article itself. The URL for it is:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1533290/Climate-chaos-Dont-believe-it.html

A screencap of the heading portion is shown below with the highlight done by me in yellow.

Telegraph_monckton_2006

Unfortunately the link under the yellow highlight no longer works and so for some it is impossible to check Monckton’s references and calculations that were included with the essay. We’ll get back to that in a moment, please read on.

Here is how the article presented the graph that is in contention, I have screen captured a portion of the original Telegraph article:

Telegraph_monckton_2006_graph

Several things immediately struck me as being out of place when I first saw the graph after reading about the contention surrounding it, here is a list.

  • The style (colors, font, etc) is not anything like I’ve ever seen from Monckton in all the graphs he has submitted to WUWT.
  • The horizontal lines on the bottom portion of the graph are obviously spaced incorrectly (the 20th century average line looks like it is incorrect on left axis) along with other cues in the plot line indicating to me that they were hand-drawn yet I’ve never gotten the graph from Monckton that was hand-drawn. Everything he has ever sent me has always been from a computer program output, thus the idea of having improperly spaced lines and coordinates a hand drawn plot didn’t make sense to me.
  • My experience with newspapers told me that this was likely a graph that was prepared by the art department of the UK Telegraph. You see, all major newspapers and even some middle and minor ones have an art department. And, when they get some sort of illustration from a guest author, or data from a government report, they almost always redraw it to fit the style and format of the newspaper. Especially the colors and the fonts.

Just look at any major newspaper in the United States like USA Today when they get in data from say, the Labor Department, they produce their own graphs of that data. They can also make grievous mistakes with such data in the way it is presented such as this article from Charles Apple (who watches newspapers and the graphics and photos they produce) demonstrates:

110706UsaTodayWeatherSnapshot02[1]

Obviously, neither the editor nor the artist saw the sexual suggestion in the imagery. I don’t blame the NWS or the Red Cross who provided the data, I blame Doyle Rice and Julie Snider. Note the references at the bottom of the graphic.

Here, USA Today took data from the National Weather Service and the American Red Cross and turned it into what is obviously a ridiculous graphic. It got past the editor, and made it into the final publication.

I noted such references to internal artists, editors, and sources were missing from the UK Telegraph article as seen in the screen cap further above, and it is this omission that I believe led many people to conclude that Monckton produced that graphic.

If you examine other graphics from the UK Telegraph, you will find that they do have such references but they are also similarly designed and of a similar size with similar fonts and colors. For example, look at this graphic from 2005 that has been redrawn, but no mention given of an internal reference to The Telegraph art department:

Telegraph_GW_2005Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/4198339/Global-warming-will-bring-cooler-climate-for-UK.html

It is plainly obvious that is a graphic created by the newspaper and not by any scientific entity, otherwise it wouldn’t have the jagged shadow edges. So, the question surrounding the graph allegedly produced by Christopher Monckton is; did he included in the original list of references that he provided the Telegraph in that now missing link at the top of the original article? I’m happy to say I have found that original source file that Monckton provided to the Telegraph. It was lodged in the Wayback machine. I was able to find it simply by putting in the correct URL of the original Telegraph article as shown below:

https://web.archive.org/web/20090301000000*/http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1533290/Climate-chaos-Dont-believe-it.htmlWayback_Monckton_telegraph

When you pull up the archive from 2009, the link appears for the PDF file of Monckton’s references but unfortunately it gives a 404 as seen below:

Wayback_Monckton_telegraph2

Oddly though if you click on  the LEFT MOST vertical lines  (circa 2007/2008) in the timeline above, the PDF will actually download, and that is what I did. For those of you that would doubt this you can go here and try it yourself:

Click to access warm-refs.pdf

And for posterity, here is a local link to the PDF of the References Monckton provided for the Telegraph article in 2006: warm-refs

If you open that PDF file you will notice a number of graphs and references including the graph from IPCC section 7 graph C. McIntyre speaks of its source here.

But no trace of the exact artwork combination as presented above appears in the Telegraph article is in Monckton’s reference PDF file, clearly indicating that the telegraph art department redrew that 1990 IPCC graph and the hockey stick graph, changing the top-bottom order. Below is page 6 from Monckton’s “warm-refs” PDF file, showing those graphs:

Monckton_Warm_refs_page6

While I was ready to condemn Monckton for producing a sloppy graph like many of these Stoaters, it is now abundantly clear to me that he did not draw it and the claims by these people are erroneous and simply mendacious.

Stoat/Connelley is simply flat wrong, and the website that cited Monckton’s graphic as an example of what not to do needs to clarify that it was the newspaper that made the errors, that the source graphs came from the IPCC, and that Monckton drew none of them.

All this breastbeating over something that can be simply researched as I have done is just a waste of everyone’s time.

Monckton prepared a rebuttal as well which I present below.

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There comes a point …

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

Those of us who have raised questions about the magnitude of Man’s influence on climate have become used to the expensively funded, often carefully co-ordinated campaigns of personal vilification organized by adherents of the Climatist Party Line. Occasionally we growl a little. More often we refuse to be distracted. We carry on.

The purpose of these relentless attacks on us is not only to do us down but also to frighten off third parties who might otherwise find the courage to speak out and express their own doubts about the Party Line.

But there comes a point when it is necessary to take action. I hope no one will disagree that that point is reached when allegations of lying or fabrication are made; when the allegations are unquestionably false; when they are persisted in despite requests to cease and desist; and when they are widely disseminated in a manner calculated baselessly to cause maximum reputational damage.

Recently a commenter at Jo Nova’s blog posted several comments to the effect that I had “faked” a graph. I quickly asked Jo to replace them with a note to say legal proceedings were in train. Enough, I had decided, was enough.

Here is the diagram I was supposed to have “faked”:

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This surely blameless diagram appeared alongside an article I had written for the Sunday Telegraph on 5 November 2006, the first time I ever went public on the climate question. The article went live on the internet at midnight on a Saturday night. Two hours later the Telegraph’s website crashed, for 127,000 people had tried to access the article.

Now, it is not the custom of UK newspapers to ask their contributors to illustrate their articles. As usual, I was not consulted and offered no advice on the matter, and had no hand in their production and no foreknowledge that they were to be used. The graphs are not labeled as having been sourced from the IPCC (indeed, one of the graphs has the shadow of a hockey stick overlaid on it and marked as the “IPCC ‘hockey stick’”, making it blindingly obvious that it is not an official IPCC’s graph).

The Telegraph’s graphs are simple and, it seems to me, harmless schematics illustrating the difference between the representations of 1000 years’ global temperatures as they appeared in the IPCC’s 2001 (top) and 1990 (bottom) reports.

The graph from p. 202 of the IPCC’s 1990 report now looks like this:

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With the article I supplied some background material for Telegraph readers on its website. In that material, the IPCC’s 1990 graph also appeared, mistakenly captioned as 1996 rather than 1990. The graph as I reproduced it looked like this:

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What I had not realized until very recently was that for several years allegations had been circulated all over the place to the effect that I had fabricated the graphs that had appeared in the Sunday Telegraph article. Yet not one of those who had made these allegations had ever contacted me to verify the facts. And not one of them had said what was wrong with the Telegraph’s graphs anyway.

Perhaps the worst of the many allegations of dishonesty against me appeared on a “science education” website, where an entire section under the bold heading “Misuse of scientific images” was devoted to the Telegraph’s graphs.

The offending section contained the following untruths:

  • Ø that in that article I had “disputed the concept of climate change” (Not that old chestnut again! I had accepted the concept but queried its likely magnitude);
  • Ø that the Telegraph’s graphs were instances of “poor use of graphical displays” that “can confuse and obscure data” (No, they neatly showed the main point: in 1990 the medieval warm period and little ice age were shown clearly, but by 2001 both had gone, and a sharp uptick in the 20th century had been added);
  • Ø that I had “created the [1990] graph on the bottom using different calculations that did not take into account all of the variables that climate scientists used to create the top graph” (No, I had not created either graph or done any calculations for such a graph);
  • Ø that I had deployed “common techniques used to distort visual forms of data – manipulating axes, changing one of the variables in a comparison, changing calculations without full explanation – that can obscure a true comparison” (No, none of the above); and
  • Ø that the article had been published in the Daily Telegraph (No, the Sunday Telegraph, and that suggests the website had never seen the original article but had picked up the libel from somewhere else).

I only discovered that this spectacularly inaccurate and profoundly damaging infestation of allegations when the commenter at Jo Nova’s site who had accused me of “faking” the graph mentioned on his own blog that I had not objected to the libel as it appeared on the science-education website. I had not objected because I had not known about it. No one at that website had thought to check any of the facts with me, or, as far as one can tell, with anyone else.

In short order a letter before action was sent to the website, which promptly did the right thing and took out the entire section, though there are indications that attempts are being made in some quarters – unsuccessfully so far – to get them to put it back up again.

I gave the commenter at Jo Nova’s website who had accused me of “faking” the graphs several chances to retract and apologize. Instead, he and several others sneeringly doubled down by accusing me of “lying” when I had said the graphs at the Telegraph website had not purported to be, and had not been labeled as, IPCC graphs.

They also alleged that the graph in my background materials accompanying the Telegraph article was “not the same graph” as that from the IPCC’s 1990 report: in effect, that I had “faked” that one as well. Judge that for yourselves from the two monochrome versions of the graph above. There seem to me to be no material differences, and I think it would be hard for the defendants to convince a court that there were any.

So I am going to court. My lawyers say the libels are plain and indefensible. They comment additionally that no judge would regard the schematics in the Telegraph (whoever had drawn them) as significantly misrepresenting the difference between the 1990 and 2001 reports’ images of the past millennium’s global temperature anomalies. As far as they can see, there is not a lot wrong with the graphs in any event.

I have told this story not only because some commenters here have been unwise enough to repeat in threads here the allegations they have made elsewhere but also because I thought it might be time to reveal the steps we have to take on an almost weekly basis to try to stem the tide of false allegations directed at us.

Nor am I by any means the only victim. For years, this shadowy Propagandaamt has been tampering with Fred Singer’s Wikipedia page to allege that he believes in Martians.

Niklas Mörner, the sea-level expert, has had his page got at on the ground that he sometimes dowses for water or other underground treasure. My late father once did that for the Maltese Government, and found three lost Punic tombs and a fine marble head of Seneca from the first century AD. My drawing of it (in the day before digital cameras) is probably still to be found somewhere in the Museum of Classical Archaeology at Cambridge. But I never had the knack for dowsing myself.

A pressure-group founded and funded by Prince Charles is prone to intervene to try (unsuccessfully, the last time they tried it on me) to prevent the publication of skeptical scientific papers in British learned journals.

A team of paid hacks telephones the Chancellor and the Dean of the Faculty at every university at which skeptics are invited to speak. About half the time, they succeed in getting us disinvited.

Journal editors are sacked for printing papers by skeptics.

However much one might hope that scientific discourse can be conducted in an open atmosphere of sensible dialog, the truth is that on the climate it can’t, because the extremists won’t play fair. The Politburo are determined to keep the scare going for just a little longer, till they can get the Treaty of Paris safely signed by all nations in December 2015.

So I am going to court to defend myself and, in so doing against the constant barrage of falsehoods told in support of the Party Line. We went to court against Al Gore because his movie was poisonous political propaganda dressed up as science.

We won. Nothing else but a court case would have worked. It was only when the department of education in London were confronted with 80 pages of scientific testimony, and knew that that testimony would stand up in court against all their falsehoods and evasions, that they caved in and settled, paying $400,000 to the plaintiffs and undertaking to circulate 77 pages of corrective guidance to every school in England.

In the present case, the other side has blinked thrice. On the website of my defamer, there is a nervous little note that he will not give me his name and address unless I answer various impertinent questions of his. The court will have no patience with any nonsense of that sort.

And there are now various postings at the same blog, again rather nervous, saying that perhaps they could plead that I don’t have a reputation and they can accuse me of whatever they like.

They will be unwise to take that line. For if they say I have no reputation they have to be able to come up with evidence that any material detrimental to my reputation on which they may try to rely is true. And most of it is no more accurate than their accusations that I “faked” a graph that I had plainly not faked. If they waste the court’s time with point after point that has nothing to do with the case at hand, they will merely aggravate the damages they will have to pay.

Finally, the perp has been unwise enough to admit that at the time when he made his allegation of “fakery” he did not know whether I had “faked” the graph or not. In the courts, to make a damaging and untrue allegation not knowing whether or not it is true is as culpable as making it when one knows it is not true. And there is no defense once that admission has been made. It has been made.

There is a curious and touching notion among some skeptics that, since the truth will of course prevail in the end, we should persevere with the scientific argument but not take the defamers and the scamsters to court. The feeling is that using the courts somehow isn’t cricket.

Sometimes, though, it’s necessary to play hardball. Being Valiant for Truth is not for wimps.

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UPDATE:

From comments, Steve McIntyre finds another version of the Lamb/IPCC AR1 1990 graph, which looks to me to be much closer to the graph used in the Telegraph article. This graph does NOT appear in Monkton’s PDF.

He writes in a comment:

The lower panel of the Telegraph diagram appears to have derived from (what appears to be) a variation of the Lamb graphic, a variation that I had not noticed until now. The variation appears in the following blog posts (and visually matches almost exactly):

LAMB_2ndversion

http://drtimball.com/2011/they-are-still-trying-to-rewrite-climate-to-show-current-conditions-are-abnormal/

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.ca/2009/12/from-mann-paper-in-nature.html

Neither blog post provides a citation for the figure, but there are clues that should enable its exact provenance to be tracked down fairly quickly. It appears to be from a book about European climate and have been developed by Lamb. It is unclear why the Telegraph would have used this variation instead of the IPCC 1990 variation, but doubtless we will find out in due course.

UPDATE2:

Nick Stokes adds in comments (bold mine):

There is a version of that graph at the John Daly site here. The article does not seem to be dated, but Daly is indicated as the author, which would make it 2004 or earlier. No source given.

Here is the graph from John Daly’s website, listed as figure 4:

And here is the Metadata, dating the creation of it precisely to Feb 10, 2004, two years before Monckton’s article in the Telegraph.

(right click on image at Daly’s website here to verify yourself)

John-Daly-Metadata-1000yrs

Nick Stokes adds in a second comment:

Steve McIntyre says: July 3, 2014 at 12:12 pm

“The lower panel of the Telegraph diagram appears to have derived from (what appears to be) a variation of the Lamb graphic, a variation that I had not noticed until now.”

Here, on the Wayback machine, is a version from 2001 on the John Daly site.

And the screencap:

John-Daly-solar-2001-wayback

Since Daly’s graph is a near perfect match for the one in the Telegraph, and appears as far back as April 21, 2001, and Monckton did not provide it in his PDF to the Telegraph, I’d say “case closed”.

UPDATE3:

There is some whingeing from Kevin O’Neill in comments that Figure 7.1c from IPCC AR1 WG1 chapter 7 (available here: http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/far/wg_I/ipcc_far_wg_I_chapter_07.pdf ) was not “faithfully” reproduced in my article, even though I made a reference to a technical discussion at Climate Audit on that specific graph and the exact figure appears no less than 3 times in the essay split between my own and Monckton’s

If you open that PDF file you will notice a number of graphs and references including the graph from IPCC section 7 graph C. McIntyre speaks of its source here.

To satisfy such whingeing, here is the exact page from IPCC AR1 WG1 chapter 7, followed by a magnified view of figure 7.1 (including graphs A,B, and C) in case Mr. O’Neill wants to claim “a magnified version is needed for readers with poor eyesight” as part of his game. I challenge him and readers to find any material difference between the graphs below taken directly from the IPCC WG1 Chapter 7 page 202 and those in the essay.

 

IPCC_FAR_Figure 7-1_page202

Magnified figure 7.1abc:

IPCC_FAR_Figure 7-1abc

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beng
July 4, 2014 6:19 am

When one pokes into Connolley’s turf (Telegraph), he squeals like a pig (que Deliverance).

dp
July 4, 2014 6:43 am

Phil sputters:

If that graph was produced from John Daly’s version then the distortion of the temperature axis which is apparent in the Telegraph version was added later.

What vertical distortion are you talking about? The degree lines are spaced equally at the half-degree point in the upper and lower graphs. I’d have chosen a different line type for the 20th century average, but that has to do with clarity, not accuracy.

gary gulrud
July 4, 2014 6:46 am

knr says:
July 4, 2014 at 5:14 am
Indeed, heh.
Wiki, like wiggle lines, is appropriate for the shape of the matter, little more. Like the urban dictionary one uses it mainly to identify the jargon.

harkin
July 4, 2014 7:06 am

Pity some alarmist bloggers have no sense of journalistic method nor ethics.
All WC needed to do was contact LM for comment and he could have saved himself much embarrassment.

xyzzy11
July 4, 2014 7:26 am

Connolly is still crowing about the graph, He posts:
“My candidate for the source of this nonsense is Monkers, in the Torygraph, with a copy of Photoshop.”
get him!

Hoser
July 4, 2014 7:51 am

Monckton of Brenchley says:
July 3, 2014 at 11:40 am

Regarding mean people…. I have found it interesting to consider the use of the word “mean” applied to people. It is no doubt an old usage (I should look it up in the OED). It implies a person is angry, violent, uncaring, and willing to inflict pain on others. Scientifically, the word retains the original sense of “average”. However, let’s go back a few centuries to Britain where the average person lived in conditions far worse than today. Life was much more difficult, a struggle just to survive, and people could not afford to be generous. The noble elites could look down on the average person with disdain and call them “mean” as nasty sarcasm, simultaneously serving to elevate their own self-importance. Fortunately, we were able to free ourselves from domination by rulers having that sort of attitude. Happy 4th of July.

July 4, 2014 9:23 am

> Oh, please. You know where he lives in England, right?
Nope. I could look it up, but so what? A vaguely correct IP is no guarantee of identity.
REPLY: Gosh, since you made I clear I can’t use this method to identify you, because you might be a “fake” then we’ll have no more comments here from you until you can verify your identity. Funny though, just a little bit of certainty in a sea of uncertainty seems good enough to justify your views on global warming. – Anthony

oneillsinwisconsin
July 4, 2014 9:29 am

Anthony – the graph in the reference materials – is NOT the IPCC graph. Case closed. It may be ‘based on,’ ‘derived from’ etc, but it is NOT “from the UN 1996 report” as Monckton stated in his caption. If it’s not the genuine article it’s a fake. Look at the weasel words you’re both using – that it’s not materially different. That is only intended to obscure the FACT that it is NOT from the 1996 – scratch that – 1990 report.
And yes, the X-Axis legend and the missing c) in the upper left hand corner make it immediately obvious it’s not the original. It is after all correctly referred to as Figure 7.1.c. And my eyesight was never in question. I spotted it as a fake as soon as I saw it. Monckton is the one who claimed that to HIS “inexpert eye” they looked the same.
I said that the caption to the figure in his reference material is proof he lied. Is the caption a false statement? Yes, Does that meet the definition of ‘lie’? Yes (#s 2,3, & 6 from Dictionary.com ).
Monckton is responsible for the fake graph and Monckton has lied. It’s pretty simple to parse out.
Even Monckton has agreed that he might be guilty of misconduct if he were an academic or a serious researcher – but you choose to endorse his research methods. I am saddened for your own reputation.
BTW – I am firmly of the opinion that Monckton will never attempt to file a libel suit against me. I really don’t need any more information than is in this post plus a side-by-side of the two graphs and their captions to prove my case. Not only that, but in the arena of science he’s pretty much by his own admission libel proof. He’s neither an academic nor a serious researcher – so there’s no reputation ‘in his calling’ to uphold. Plus, throw in his Obama birther stance and a few other choice incidents and I’m not sure his reputation can actually get any lower. But I hope he does file, I’ve never visited England (my military tours were in the Far east – not Europe) and I would make sure to be there.

gary gulrud
July 4, 2014 9:50 am

[snip – multiple policy violations, feel free to resubmit -mod]

NikFromNYC
July 4, 2014 10:15 am

Exhibit A: A graph well known to all insiders of the climate alarm debate, known to be an old textbook staple, a rough common knowledge estimate of the history of temperature, a lot like the way various evolutionary spirals are presented to show when bacteria, turtles and mammals first appeared.
Exhibit B: Quite late to the game, a newspaper illustrates news of how the United Nations has now in revolutionary fashion replaced the old common version of temperature history with a new and “improved” one that happens to utterly revise that history in a way that merits emergency level funding for the formerly obscure study of climate.
Exhibit C: William Connolley, a notorious partisan insider activist on the fifth most popular web site in the world, makes a loud public claim that Christopher Monckton, a potent climate alarm skeptical voice has uniquely fabricated one of the graphs in the news article.
Exhibit D: The latest widely promoted confirmation of this new “improved” hockey stick version of history that represents how William says science has “moved on” from the old commonly accepted version, is now widely known to contain utterly no alarm supporting blade in any of the input data:
http://s6.postimg.org/jb6qe15rl/Marcott_2013_Eye_Candy.jpg
Exhibit E: Upon being confronted with the unretracted Marcott 2013 hockey stick in top journal Science, in the slanderous thread on his blog being discussed here, William threatened censure instead if acknowledgement of its blade fabrication: “[This comment sat in the moderation queue for a bit. And if you continue to post stuff that I redacted, you’ll remain under moderation (though I should still deal with posts in the queue promptly, so sorry about the delay). As to the rest: yawn. We’ve been through this before, endlessly -W]”
Exhibit F: Upon being legally confronted about libelous statements, William and supporter Kevin refer to their campaign of reputation tarnishing as a mere “Internet flame war” involving a “bully,” thus doubling down on their public claim that Christopher is a deceptive scoundrel in his involvement in one of the most contentious policy issues of the day.
A pattern presents itself of promotion of known deception and slander against one of the most public voices involved in exposing that deception.

July 4, 2014 10:45 am

This entire kerfuffle over one minor graph produced by a newspaper art department amounts to one thing: misdirection.
It’s the old, “Look! A squirrel!” routine. Rather than debate Mann’s preposterous and repeatedly debunked Hokey Stick chart, these no-accounts go on the attack over something that simply does not matter.
I challenge Connolley and/or O’Neill to discuss Mann’s chart. Right here. Explain why the alarmist crowd are the only ones who deny that the climate changed, until human emissions came along. Explain why global warming stopped many years ago. Explain why every scary alarmist prediction has turned out to be flat wrong.
I could go on, but point made: this chart nonsense is nothing but misdirection.
REPLY: Let’s not, for two reasons.

1. It will turn the thread into an off-topic conversation
2. It will make it all about them, rather than the issue at hand.
-Anthony

Village Idiot
July 4, 2014 11:10 am

Wasn’t it 2006 that Christopher Walter Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, SMOM, liveryman of the Worshipful Company of Broderers, Officer of the Order of St John of Jerusalem, a Knight of Honour and Devotion of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, and member of the Roman Catholic Mass Media Commission, spotted the ‘climate sceptic’ cash cow?

oneillsinwisconsin
July 4, 2014 11:14 am

Anthony – my position was made clear in the other thread. You perhaps should go back and reread it. I have never claimed the ‘Battle of the Graphs’ image was created by Monckton. I asserted then, as I have asserted here, that the graph in the reference materials is Monckton’s responsibility. He is responsible for that material (whereas there was a question who was responsible for the ‘Battle of the Graphs’ image). It matters not if he drew it, bought it, or found it lying in the street – he put it in his reference materials. He put the fake graph with the false caption in the reference materials.
My position has not changed. Apparently you never actually read my post in the other thread. Seems very similar to Monckton never actually having IPCC 1990 while writing about it.
PS – WordPress seems to randomly go between my real name and the ‘oneillsinwisconsin’ IDs. You’ll see the same change in the other thread.

Langenbahn
July 4, 2014 11:27 am

“Obviously, neither the editor nor the artist saw the sexual suggestion in the imagery.”
Or perhaps, as I have long suspected, USA Today has no editors.

richardscourtney
July 4, 2014 11:36 am

Village Idiot:
The answer to your question at July 4, 2014 at 11:10 am is
No.
Richard

July 4, 2014 11:59 am

oneillsinwisconsin says:
I asserted then, as I have asserted here, that the graph in the reference materials is Monckton’s responsibility.
Anthony’s article makes clear that the graph was the newspaper’s responsibility.

oneillsinwisconsin
July 4, 2014 12:11 pm

Why is any of this important? Misinformation, disinformation, and false statements about climate are made everyday and lead many people to have completely skewed ideas of what is and isn’t known.
We have as a recent shining example the illustrious Brandon Smith, Republican State Senator of Kentucky. During a committee hearing on new EPA rules he said,
I don’t want to get into the debate about climate change, but I will simply point out that I think in academia we all agree that the temperature on Mars is exactly as it is here. Nobody will dispute that. Yet there are no coal mines on Mars. There are no factories on Mars that I’m aware of.
The stupid … it burns. Where did that stupid come from? And someone hearing that, who doesn’t know any better, but trusts a Republican State Senator, is probably nodding their head in agreement.
Many – including the Right Honorable (sic) Monckton – have tried to make the case that the 1965 Lamb schematic was state of the art climate science circa 1990. They exaggerate Figure 7.1.c’s importance by never mentioning that it was created in 1965 and was based on temperatures in central England. Lamb never claimed it was representative of global temperatures and indeed noted in his texts that not all parts of the world shared in the warming.
And the 1990 report in the paragraph directly above Figure 7.1 states: “The period since the end of the last glaciation has been characterized by small changes in global average temperature with a range of probably less than 2°C (Figure 7.1), though it is still not clear whether all the fluctuations
indicated were truly global.”
Likewise the Executive Summary on page 199 says, “Such [surface temperature] fluctuations include the Holocene Optimum around 5,000-6,000 years ago. the shorter Medieval Warm Period around 1000 AD (which may not have been global) and the Little Ice Age which ended only in the middle to late nineteenth century. Details are often poorly known because palaeo-climatic data are frequently sparse.”
From this it is clear that the 1990 report did not necessarily believe in a global MWP. Those who claim otherwise are misrepresenting the report. Those who claim Figure 7.1.c as being definitive either fail to understand its origins, have not read the text, and or are trying to mislead. I will leave it Monckton to tell us which of these categories he falls into.
Thus we have many people who do not believe in AGW spouting the climate equivalent nonsense of “we all agree that the temperature on Mars is exactly as it is here.” Don’t be Brandon Smith.

knr
July 4, 2014 12:14 pm

oneillsinwisconsin do you believe that newspapers only ever report ‘EXACTLY’ what others have told them , not editing at all? If you do not then your case falls flat unless you can say why Monckton should be treated differently to anyone else .

July 4, 2014 12:17 pm

Brandon Smith meant to say that general temperature changes on Mars mate up with temperature changes on Earth, suggesting there may be linkage.

July 4, 2014 12:20 pm

oneillsinwisconsin says:
We have as a recent shining example the illustrious Brandon Smith, Republican State Senator of Kentucky.
I’ll see your state senator, and raise you a Democrat Congressman.
The stupid, it burns. Where did that stupid come from? ☺
And there is no doubt, the “(sic)” shows Mr O’Neill to be bereft of any class:
Many – including the Right Honorable (sic) Monckton
Monckton has more class in a hair follicle than O’Neill has in his whole being.

knr
July 4, 2014 12:21 pm

‘oneillsinwisconsin says:
July 4, 2014 at 12:11 pm
Why is any of this important? Misinformation, disinformation, and false statements about climate are made everyday and lead many people to have completely skewed ideas of what is and isn’t known.’
If you have issues with this , why don’t you try asking Mann and the team why they keep doing it ?

richardscourtney
July 4, 2014 12:21 pm

oneillsinwisconsin:
Please explain the relevance to the matter in hand of anything in your bloviation at July 4, 2014 at 12:11 pm.
Richard

oneillsinwisconsin
July 4, 2014 12:25 pm

dbstealey – are you claiming that the reference materials – which bear Monckton’s pink portcullis logo and his email address were actually put together by the Telegraph? No, you’re wrong. Monckton has never denied that he put the reference material package together. In fact he has excused the graph’s mistakes because he was sick and did not have access to the 1990 report. He said the graph (in the reference materials) was:
a) sent to him by an eminent scholar
b) obtained from a reliable source
c) reproduced by himself
Today is another day so perhaps he has another excuse. Regardless, the reference materials are his responsibility – the graph’s inclusion is his responsibility.
REPLY: “the graph’s inclusion is his responsibility.”
No, sorry, You are 110% wrong.

I can assure you having both worked for a newspaper, and submitted articles with illustrations myself, that the responsibility for inclusion of such graphs lie entirely with the newspaper. They can choose to include submitted illustrations or not. When they do include such illustrations they almost always have the art department handle it and format into their publication style. For example, the hockey stick graph from IPCC AR2 is also redrawn, seen in the top panel of the Telegraph graphic. They redrew it rather that use the colorful IPCC graph Monckton provided…unless of course you’d liek to claim he “faked” and drew that one too?
Others in this thread have made similar comments. Likewise, choice of accompanying photographs and the headline are always always in the editorial domain of the newspaper.
For example, Monckton’s original title for the article, as submitted in the PDF was “Apocalypse Cancelled”.
The Telegraph chose their own headline which was: “Climate Chaos? Don’t believe it”
From my viewpoint of hands-on media experience (something you don’t seem to have) and based on the fact that Monckton didn’t actually submit the graph in question, and since the graph on John Daly’s website from 2001 is a near perfect match to the bottom panel of the Telegraph graphic you are complaining about, you argument is nullifed.
Your argument is at a dead end, with only pointless claims of a 1990/1996 typo remaining and will only end in embarrassment, and possibly a legal issue for you. Unfortunately, you seem unable to comprehend just how badly you’ve dug a hole for yourself and I believe your ego makes it impossible to admit this to yourself.
Take my friendly advice, sir. You’ve lost. Shut up for your own good. – Anthony

July 4, 2014 12:37 pm

Mr O’Neill changes the subject, after bringing it up. Here is Rep. Hank Johnson’s interchange whith Admiral Willard:
Johnson: This is a island that at its widest level is what … twelve miles from shore to shore? And at its smallest level … uh, smallest location … it’s seven miles between one shore and the other? Is that correct?
Willard: I don’t have the exact dimensions, but to your point, sir, I think Guam is a small island.
Johnson: Very small island, about twenty-four miles, if I recall, long, twenty-four miles long, about seven miles wide at the least widest place on the island and about twelve miles wide on the widest part of the island, and I don’t know how many square miles that is. Do you happen to know?
Willard: I don’t have that figure with me, sir, I can certainly supply it to you if you like.
Johnson: Yeah, my fear is that the whole island will become so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize.
Willard: We don’t anticipate that… [☺☺☺]
The fact that politics is brought up makes it clear that the Warmist crowd has no credible science to support their Belief in catastrophic AGW.
If I am wrong, then simply post testable, measurable scientific evidence quantifying the fraction of a degree of global warming caused by human GHG emissions. That should be simple, since scientists have been looking for exactly those measurements for more than 30 years.

oneillsinwisconsin
July 4, 2014 12:45 pm

dbstealey – in other words, like Monckton, you cannot own up to your mistakes. I guess you’re right and honorable too.
Monckton put together the reference material package. The Telegraph had nothing to do with the figures included in the reference materials or their captions. All mistakes in the reference package are Monckton’s responsibility.
It’s very simple,. Monckton’s reference material. Monckton’s choice of inclusions. Monckton’s responsibility..

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