The Greatest Climate Myths of All – Part 2.

Guest essay by Jim Steele,

Director emeritus Sierra Nevada Field Campus, San Francisco State University and author of Landscapes & Cycles: An Environmentalist’s Journey to Climate Skepticism

In part one, I wrote “In the simplest of terms, every study that has attributed the recent warming of the 1980s and 90s to rising CO2 has been based on the difference between their models’ reconstruction of “natural climate change” with their models’ output of “natural climate change plus CO2.” However the persistent failure of their models to reproduce how “natural climate changed before,” means any attribution of warming due to CO2 is at best unreliable and at worse a graphic fairy tale.”

Like failed modeling results illustrated in Part 1, scientists at the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit published Attribution Of Polar Warming To Human Influence1. Again their models failed to account for the heat during Arctic’s earlier natural warming (black line), a warming climate scientists called “the most spectacular event of the century”. Their “natural models” grossly underestimated the 40s peak warming by ~0.8° C (blue line) and when CO2 and sulfates were added the warming event was cooled further (red line). So how much do we trust models’ attribution when they get climate change half wrong?

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Over millennial time spans, researchers reported similar failures reconstructing the Medieval Warm Period writing, “Inter-model differences and model/reconstruction comparisons suggest that simulations of the Medieval Climate Anomaly either fail to reproduce the mechanisms of climate response to changes in external forcing, or that anomalies during this period are largely influenced by internal variability.“2 Modeling also fails at smaller regional levels with superior data coverage, such as California. As Dr. Phillip Duffy, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, wrote “Neither the nature of climate trends in California nor their causes are well understood.”3

Sidestepping such failures, alarmists note models can generate random unforced warming events about every 150 years and that last a decade or so. And so they suggest early Arctic warming was a random event caused by “internal variability” that can’t be modeled. But there was less than a 13% chance that random warming happened in the 30s, and that random warming could have equally contributed to the 80s and 90s, meaning CO2 contributed little. And that arguments does not alter the fact that CO2-driven climate models fail to reproduce natural climate change of the past.

Alarmist believe CO2 is the “control knob” of climate change and Dr. James Hansen, who studied climate on lifeless planets devoid of oceans, proselytizes that belief. On other planets the “radiative balance” is the critical climate variable. But that narrow focus has biased Hansen and his disciples who have underestimated the power of ocean oscillations. Fortunately here on earth, there is a growing awareness that natural ocean oscillations persist for many decades and control how heat is stored, redistributed and ventilated. Those oscillations increasingly appear to be the most powerful “climate control knobs” and many advocates of CO2 warming now blame the cool phases of these ocean oscillations for “masking” or “hiding” hypothesized heat. But natural ocean oscillations have also raised temperatures, and regards to understanding both 20th century warming events in the Arctic, ocean oscillations offer the superior explanation.

From latitudes 40° North or South to the poles, the earth increasingly ventilates more heat than it absorbs. Climate change at those higher latitudes is dominated by variations in the transport of surplus tropical heat. Scientists estimate “Without these heat transports the atmosphere would have an equator-pole surface air temperature difference of 100° C, which is more than twice the present value of 40°C.4 Equally important, surplus equatorial heat is generated by the sun, with a very small and dubious contribution from CO2. As reported by the IPCC in the Physical Science Basis, “In the humid equatorial regions, where there is so much water vapour in the air that the greenhouse effect is very large, adding a small additional amount of CO2 or water vapour has only a small direct impact on downward infrared radiation. However, in the cold, dry polar regions, the effect of a small increase in CO2 or water vapour is much greater.”

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However both 20th century Arctic warming events are associated with greater volumes of warm water intruding into the Arctic driven by the warm phases of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation and the Arctic/North Atlantic Oscillation. And as would be expected, the poleward range of southerly marine organisms has ebbed and flowed accordingly.

In a 2013 peer-reviewed paper,5 scientists examined the migration of marine organisms into the Arctic reporting, “The fauna of the southern North Sea exhibits clear changes. Particularly conspicuous is the increase of Mediterranean fish species and the occurrence of sardine eggs and larvae. There is no doubt, that these observations are associated with the climate change which has been shown to occur since several decades, and which, over the last years, has had important consequences for fisheries: decrease of catches, northwards shift of fishing grounds, adaptation to fisheries for different species. …particularly interesting questions are: will climate change continue and, also, shifts and changes of fish stocks, how long will this last, and which are the consequences, if this trend reverses?”

Sounds familiar, but the above quote was written by Aurich in 1953. Like the earlier warming event and migrations, the most recent northward advance of small fish such as sardines, anchovies and herring correlate very well with the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation and the current distribution of fish from southerly waters is “almost identical to that described by Aurich for 1951.”5 After the earlier warm event those fish retreated and were absent from the North Sea surveys during the 1970s and 90s. So the next few decades should provide the evidence needed to settle much of the climate debate. If natural cycles are indeed the climate control knob, the next 2 decades should witness a cool phase of the AMO and the retreat of southerly marine organisms. And the current scientific consensus that the upper 300 meters of the oceans have been cooling since 2003 bodes well for natural cycles prediction.13

To support dubious climate model attributions, the scientific literature has been increasingly spammed with papers creating the second greatest climate myth: migrating organisms are evidence of CO2 driven warming. However their arguments fail to account for the myriad of confounding factors affecting the biosphere. The same biological evidence used to instill CO2 fear, is also consistent with interpretations attributing landscape changes and/or natural climate cycles that modulate heat transport to the poles. If marine organisms migrated similarly pre-1950s when CO2 was an insignificant player, then the most parsimonious explanation is identical migrations today are driven by the same natural forces.

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Good science demands we examine how climate changed naturally in the past, not to uncritically dismiss the possibility of CO2–caused warming, but to understand to what degree present climate change is driven by historical cycles. Only by thoroughly examining climate history can we estimate natural contributions and evaluate earth’s sensitivity to rising CO2. This is most critical because climate history is now repeating itself.

However those eager to blame rising CO2 have downplayed natural oscillations. Alarmists recently published Global Imprint Of Climate Change On Marine Life,” which press releases hyped in the media. Alarmist websites like ClimateProgress ranted, “The research is more confirmation that “global change is real and has been real for a long time. It’s not something in the distant future. It is well underway.”

The truth is natural cycles are well underway, as they always have been. And that dynamic is being hijacked.

The “Global Imprint” analyses suffered from the same shortcomings uncovered in inflated claims that 97% of the scientists agree about climate change. The authors similarly surveyed on-line abstracts from which they extracted only papers suggesting ecological changes were driven by climate change. Their filter effectively removed all analyses examining other confounding factors. Furthermore most of the papers in their compilation only studied responses during the warm phases of natural ocean cycles beginning in the 70s, after most marine organisms had retreated south. Thus their meta-analyses totally obscured the cyclic warming and cooling that accompanied those migrations during the 20th century. From their carefully filtered database, they claimed, “81–83% of all observations for distribution, phenology, community composition, abundance, demography and calcification across taxa and ocean basins were consistent with the expected impacts of climate change.”8

But like the “97% consensus” methodology, their 83% disguised the fact that the vast majority of species were non-responders. Of the 857 species examined, only 279 (or 33%) changed distribution. Sixty-seven percent had no response and therefore “were not included because failure to detect a change in distribution may have several causes, including barriers to dispersal, poor sampling resolution or the dominance of alternative drivers of change.” Changes in distribution also has several caused but again their data selection guaranteed a statistical bias. If all the 857 species were accounted for, a mere 27% behaved in a manner “consistent” with CO2 theory. More importantly most of those species were also behaving in a manner consistent with natural cycles.

It was not surprising to see the IPCC’s Camille Parmesan co-authored this paper. As I have documented before Parmesan has “inaccurately” blamed CO2 warming for extinctions due to lost habitat from urban sprawl, hijacked conservation success to argue poleward movement of butterflies was caused by climate change, and blamed CO2 and extreme weather for a population extinction caused by logging while neighboring natural populations thrived. Now she again hijacks marine migrations caused by natural climate oscillations as “proof” of global warming. And both the “Global Imprint” lead author and Parmesan co-authored a paper contradicting scientific consensus, arguing “Species’ extinctions have already been linked to recent climate change; the golden toad is iconic.15

In contrast to the fearful “science via press release,” the peer-reviewed literature is filled with evidence that supports a more parsimonious natural cycles explanation. In 1997 fishery biologists (not climate scientists) discovered the climate changing Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) after realizing that every 20 to 30 years salmon abundance shifted between Alaska and Oregon. When the PDO entered it positive phase around 1976, biologists observed northward migrations of plankton, fish and bottom dwelling organisms. Likewise temperatures increased. Climate scientists also reported “when the PDO value changed from dominantly negative to dominantly positive values, a sudden temperature increase across Alaska was observed.”6 After the 1997 El Nino, the PDO began to trend back to its negative cool phase. Sea surface temperature anomalies reverted “to that seen throughout the North Pacific before 1976.”14 Bering Sea ice began to increase reaching record extent in 2012 and Alaska became one of the most rapidly cooling locations on earth as the average for Alaskan weather stations experienced a extraordinary temperature drop of 1.3° C for the decade.6

As eastern Pacific temperature trends from Alaska to the Southern California Bight reversed, species of fish that had once moved northward are now retreating southward. Researchers in the Southern California Bight reported that above all other environmental factors, the changes in fish abundance has correlated best with the PDO regime shifts.7 Such evidence prompted Monterrey Bay Aquariums chief scientist to warn that “These large-scale, naturally occurring variations must be taken into account when considering human-induced climate change and the management of ocean living resources.”8 After all it was the shifting PDO that disrupted Monterrey’s fishing industry as described by John Steinbeck in Cannery Row.

In the Atlantic, poleward intrusions of warm water driven by natural cycles have similarly altered sea ice and the distribution of marine organisms. Satellite pictures (below) clearly show that the recent loss of winter Arctic ice has occurred along the pathway by which warmer waters enter the Barents Sea, deep inside the Arctic Circle, while simultaneously air temperatures far to the south remain cold enough to maintain a frozen Hudson Bay. Before those warm water intrusions facilitated the loss of sea ice, air temperatures in the 80s and 90s reported a slight cooling trend contradicting CO2 theory.12

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Much of the warming in the Arctic in the 20s and 40s, as well as in recent decades was likely due to increased ventilation of ocean heat after sea ice was reduced by intruding warm water and the altered atmospheric circulation. A comparison of Danish Sea ice records from August 1937 with satellite pictures from August 2013, illustrate very similar losses of Arctic ice. As would be expected, a slightly greater proportion of thicker sea ice formed during the Little Ice Age would likely remain during the first warming event compared to recent decades. The slightly warmer Arctic temperatures of the recent decade can be attributed to a greater loss of thicker multiyear ice that is ventilating more ocean heat. But past performance never guarantees the future. Scientific opinions and predictions must be validated by experimentation or future observations. If indeed natural cycles are the real climate control knobs, the next 15 to 20 years will settled the debate. While alarmists predict total loss of ice by 2030 (and earlier predictions have already failed), believers in the power of natural cycles expect Arctic sea ice to rebound by 2030. Until then the science is far from settled. And claims that the science is settled just one more of the great climate myths. (Part 3 will look at the chimeras created by averaging and meta-analyses)

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Jarvis, E. , et al., (2004), Comparison of Recreational Fish Catch Trends to Environment‑species Relationships and Fishery‑independent Data in the Southern California Bight, 1980-2000. Recreational Fish Catch Trends, CalCOFI Rep., Vol. 45.

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June 27, 2014 2:14 pm

James Abbott says “your statement of absolutes is not credible”
Exactly what absolutes are you conjuring? I offered an explanation to why CO2 models have failed to simulate earlier Arctic warm events. Instead of discussing the validity of the evidence you try to create “absolute” strawman to attack.
You suggest “We are currently close to record warm land/ocean globally yet with still broadly ENSO-neutral conditions and a fairly quiet Sun.”
Maybe so, ..
… but it is a leap of faith to simply attribute those changes to CO2? Given the oceans store ancient heat and then ventilate it decades later, given lost polar sea ice due to changes in subfreezing winds allow more ventilation of ancient heat, given the homogenization of temperature data has increased raw temperatures by about 0.3 degrees this century, given the effect of growing waste heat from growing populations and given the urban heat effects and drying of the landscapes that lower heat capacity,
what is your “trick” to draw out the underlying trend? What is your “trick” to explaining the model failures? I am all ears.

June 27, 2014 2:24 pm

Ulric says, “I would say that the AMO will see a continued warm phase, because we can expect more negative North Atlantic/Arctic Oscillation conditions with weaker solar activity, and it is under negative the NAO/AO phase that poleward ocean transport is increased.”
I would argue you are largely correct but not sure if we agree on the mechanisms.
During the positive North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) a stronger sub-tropical gyre transports more heat northward but intrusion into the Arctic is hindered by a stronger and larger sub-polar gyre. The stronger winds of the positive NAO cool the transported tropical waters and deliver warmer winters to much of Europe.
Then as the NAO weakens into its negative phase, less heat is pumped from the tropics and as the winds decline much less heat is delivered to Europe. With less winds to cool the ocean, the North Atlantic still gets warmer but European winters get colder.
More importantly for the Arctic, as the NAO weakens the sub-polar gyre contracts, which allows a lager volume of warmer water to enter the Barents Sea. Increased warm water intrusions and the reduction of local sea ice creates a positive feedback. A warmer Barents’ sea surface lowers the regional atmospheric pressure and draws winds from the southwest that continues to push more warm air and more warm water into the Barents Sea.

gnomish
June 27, 2014 2:24 pm

everything good about j. gould, j. steele has it.
always worth reading.

Evan Jones
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June 27, 2014 2:25 pm

The PDO represents the spatial pattern of the sea surface temperature anomalies in the North Pacific, not the sea surface temperature anomalies. There is no mechanism through which the PDO can alter temperatures globally.
Surely the temperatures from 1950 to 1976 are flat (negative PDO) and sharply rising to post-2000 (positive PDO) and now have gone flat again since the PDO “real flip” to negative in 2007. All with CO2 rising more or less constantly.
It It seems to me that larger El Ninos and smaller La Ninas is going to increase average global temps and vice versa. With a up/down PDO relationship but with a constant, modest upward nudge in trend due to raw (non-net feedback) CO2. So flat temps during negative PDO and double-warming during positive PDO. That correlates quite well.
Is the mechanism different? Bearing in mind that the PDO drags along the other cycles (AMO, NAO, etc.) in train? (Look at the timeline of the negative to positive oscillation flips from the 1976 positive PDO flip. They all follow on, gingo positive one by one. All six. Now the negative train of flips begins . . . )

June 27, 2014 2:32 pm

James Abbott:
re your post at June 27, 2014 at 2:00 pm.
No, as I have explained to you before, global warming stopped at least 17 years ago.
I made no “jibe”. I explained that if you could manage to accept the reality that global warming has stopped the your deprogramming would have started.
Your assertion that the “polarisation” “is only in the last decade” is part of your failure to perceive reality through your belief: I was supporting the science against the scare in the 1990s.
Richard

James Abbott
June 27, 2014 2:47 pm

jim Steele
You say
“Exactly what absolutes are you conjuring?”
So for the third time, this is what you stated:
“any attribution of warming due to CO2 is at best unreliable and at worse a graphic fairy tale.”
That is an absolute – it says ANY attribution with respect to CO2 – and then puts it in a range from unreliable to fairy tale !
Then you go off on the usual “try anything but CO2” ramble to explain the observed warming – and possible record warmth in the near future given the current baseline temperatures whilst being in an ENSO neutral state.
How is it a “leap of faith” to accept the likely important role of GHGs when the majority of peer reviewed science agrees that the most likely cause of the recent warming is the increasing concentration in the atmosphere of GHGs ?
The faith is on the other side. It is the faith of those who are resolute in their avoidance of any acceptance that GHGs have caused warming. As I asked before, that position then requires explanation as to what would happen if GHG concentrations in the atmosphere were reduced. If the answer is also no/little change then that takes us back a century or more in science.

June 27, 2014 3:01 pm

jim Steele says:
June 27, 2014 at 2:24 pm
“Then as the NAO weakens into its negative phase, less heat is pumped from the tropics and as the winds decline much less heat is delivered to Europe. With less winds to cool the ocean, the North Atlantic still gets warmer but European winters get colder.”
I would say that poleward ocean heat transport is increased during negative NAO, because the atmospheric circulation moves south, where the water it can shift polewards, is warmer. You can even see it at monthly scale on “UAH NoPol ocean”, warm pulses during negative NAO periods:
http://www.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc_lt_5.6.txt

Arno Arrak
June 27, 2014 3:25 pm

So here we go again. Arctic warming keeps coming up a mystery with various explanations that are all off the mark. Here is one:
‘…scientists at the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit published Attribution Of Polar Warming To Human Influence1. Again their models failed to account for the heat during Arctic’s earlier natural warming (black line), a warming climate scientists called “the most spectacular event of the century”. ‘
These so-called “climate scientists” get zero for their homework. NOAA Arctic Report Card for 2010, as updated in October 2010, shows straight warming from 1900 to 1940, cooling from 1940 to 1970, and warming again after 1970 till the present. Start of the warming in 1900 was sudden and followed a 2000 year period of slow, linear cooling. There was no increase of atmospheric carbon dioxide in 1900 and this rules out greenhouse warming as its cause. By a method of elimination, the only possible, sudden cause of the 1900 warming had to be a reorganization of the North Atlantic current system at the turn of the century that started to carry warm Gulf Stream water into the Arctic Ocean. I published all this in 2011 [E&E 22(8):1069-1083] but climate scientists have been either lazy or stupid or both to not pick it up. It is not a matter of opposition or not agreeing with it, it is simply a matter of ignorance. These guys have homework to do and I want to see the results of this homework in the future work they submit that involves the Arctic.

June 27, 2014 3:25 pm

James Abbott;
There was no such nonsense back in the late 1970s/early 1980s when we studied atmospheric physics at university.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Bang on! Back then we understood that CO2’s effects were logarithmic, that Stefan-Boltzmann defined a relationship between energy flux in w/m2 with temperature in degrees K raised to the 4th power, and that feed backs were unlikely to be anything more than slightly positive and quite possibly negative. Back then we understood that the net effect would be negligible, and inconsequential in comparison to the cost of mitigation schemes. Back then we were given to understand that a warmer world would result in less severe weather, not more. Thank you for reminding me of the nonsense free version of the physics which is just as valid today as it was then, we just never get to discuss it because the nonsense drowns it out.
Excellent point James! Excellent!

June 27, 2014 3:26 pm

Abbott
I see you are upset that I called CO2 attribution “unreliable”, but to label the term “unreliable” as a term of “absolutism” seems a tad exaggerated at best. I agree CO2 warming is a reasonable hypothesis. But any one can make a hypothesis. The trick of science is that a hypothesis is rigorously tested and that means providing alternative explanations. But you make alternative explanations sound nefarious and dishonest.
Unlike other disciplines, climate change takes 50 to 100 years to be tested. To date I have yet to see a valid attribution study that adequately explains the past. To argue that CO2 causes warming and then argue that models driven by the belief in CO2 warming provide evidence of CO2 warming is naive circular reasoning.
So instead of bantering about “absolutism”, please just cite the study that convinced you that recent Arctic warming was indeed due to rising CO2. Then we can discuss the merits of that study
Also explain how CO2 warming is consistent with the radiosonde and dropsonde data over ice-covered waters that showed a cooling of the Arctic atmosphere in the 80s and 90s as I referenced in the studies by Kahl.
Assuming you agree with me and the consensus that the Arctic warmed naturally in 20s and 40s, then what percentage of the Arctic warming can you attribute to CO2 versus that natural warming? And why?
And please explain why some alarmists drone on about “unprecedented rates of Arctic warming”, even though the scientific evidence from peer-reviewed science suggests otherwise. For example Dr. Petr Chylek of Los Alamos National Laboratory wrote “we find no direct evidence to support the claims that the Greenland ice sheet is melting due to increased temperature caused by increased atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide. The rate of warming from 1995 to 2005 was in fact lower than the warming that occurred from 1920 to 1930.” Citing non-scientific surveys aimed a creating a “consensus” does not negate the minority view of those that have done the research
Finally you criticize my arguments as “going off on anything but CO2”, and indeed in some respects that would appear to be the case. But you seem unaware of the scientific process. I am indeed offering other scientific explanations for the failure of CO2 predictions. Therefore I am not going to be discussing how the CO2 hypothesis that you embrace to dearly, might be right. The advocates have done the fore decades. It appears as if you want me to repeat their failed arguments.
The trick is to discuss all the various lines of evidence, not attack the messenger. We learn from our mistakes and the mistakes of others.

June 27, 2014 3:38 pm

gnomish says: “everything good about j. gould, j. steele has it. always worth reading.”
If I am to assume you mean Stephen Jay Gould, I am highly flattered. Thanks much.

June 27, 2014 3:39 pm

Excellent point James! Excellent!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
I almost forgot James. Back in the 70’s and 80’s there was a lot of work going on understanding the effects of various variables on plant growth. Back then we understood that there were a huge number of factors governing tree growth, and that trying to use them as a proxy for temperature was total and complete bunk.
Excellent points James! Excellent!

June 27, 2014 3:57 pm

Peter Taylor “My favourite graph is from Solanki, showing reconstructed solar (magnetic) activity through the Holocene – the 8000BP peak: pelicans nesting in Somerset; 5000BP peak: settlement of the Scottish Highlands; 2000BP peak: vineyards on the Scottish border; 1000BP peak: white stork nested in Edinburgh; recent warm peak: Little Bittern and Great White Egret nesting in Somerset. Sadly, there were few bird-recorders active in the Little Ice Age!”
But there were quite a few butterfly recorders and their observations suggest many butterfly were further north at the end of the 19th century than what current distributions report. Read The History of the Speckled Wood Butterfly (Pararge aegeria) in Scotland, with a Discussion
of the Recent Changes of Range of Other British ButterflieAuthor(s): J. A. Downes
Source: Journal of Animal Ecology, Vol. 17, No. 2 (Nov., 1948), pp. 131-138

James Abbott
June 27, 2014 4:08 pm

davidmhoffer – I don’t know which papers you read at the time but the ones I saw were looking at a 2C rise in global mean temperature based on a doubling of pre-industrial concentrations of CO2.
Am also interested in where you get the warmer world = less severe weather theory. Warmer world = higher sea temperatures and higher rates of evaporation = more intense rains in temperate regions (floods) and probably more intense hurricanes and cyclones.
jim Steele
I certainly did not dismiss other drivers in the way you suggest. I am saying they are ALL valid. It was you who dismissed CO2. Fact is that CO2, solar variability, cyclical change, volcanoes, ENSO, etc are all forcing factors. The difficult bit is working out the relative input of each. But when you do that, the most probable explanation for the warming for the last half century or so is CO2 as the major – not the only – but the major factor. It just also so happens to fit the physics of CO2 as a GHG.
You say reliance on CO2 is “naive”. How then do you explain the huge swings in global mean temperature during the last 3 million years or so of glaciations and interglacials ? Are you saying CO2 had no role ?
You go back to trying to extrapolate from regional temperatures to global – as I stated at the start, that’s not helpful. If it was warmer pre-WW2 in the Arctic that cannot disprove global warming now just as the current record for date (for the satellite era) ice area around Antarctica does not.
I do agree with you though about time periods. It is naive to say that because temperature has been pretty much flat for 12 years that global warming has stopped. There have been periods of falling temperatures even in the post 1960s warming and there likely will be again – its the long term trend that is important.

June 27, 2014 4:19 pm

Abbott
I am confused. Which one of my questions have you responded to??
You answer reminds me of the “so-called” presidential debates. You don’t address the points directed to you but with a quick sidestep, use your moment to push an unrelated point. I am starting to believe you never will address those inconvenient truths. But I appreciate the cognitive dissonance you must be experiencing.

June 27, 2014 4:32 pm

James Abbott says:
June 27, 2014 at 4:08 pm
davidmhoffer – I don’t know which papers you read at the time but the ones I saw were looking at a 2C rise in global mean temperature based on a doubling of pre-industrial concentrations of CO2.

The direct effect is estimated at about 1 degree calculated against the effective black body temperature of earth which is -18 C. Via SB Law, the same energy flux increase translates, at an average surface temperature of +15C, to about 2/3 of one degree. That was they physics then, and if you dive deep into the IPCC reports, it hasn’t changed. These numbers are hardly frightening no matter how you spin them. The IPCC began claiming high rates of positive feed backs from increased water vapour holding capacity. The claims were not supported by the physics, and indeed, observations since then have borne out the fact that the claims were over estimates. The most recent literature quite clearly shows a sensitivity of 1.5 degrees per doubling at the HIGH end. Then when we consider the logarithmic effects of CO2 (which are ALSO recognized by the IPCC) we arrive at an increase of 1.5 degrees on the high side, for, starting from where we are now, another 400 ppm which will take, at present rates of consumption…. 150 to 200 years. But, to get to 3 degrees, or two doublings (the logarithmic effect mentioned in my previous comment) it would require (again starting from where we are now) 600 HUNDRED years at current rates of consumption. 3 degrees over 600 years (and that is the HIGH end of the estimate) is miniscule.

Am also interested in where you get the warmer world = less severe weather theory. Warmer world = higher sea temperatures and higher rates of evaporation = more intense rains in temperate regions (floods) and probably more intense hurricanes and cyclones.

Well I suggest you read IPCC AR5 in which they admit (Ch 11 I think) that severe weather is expected to decrease for AT LEAST the next 90 years. The physics on this is pretty simple. Severe weather is driven, not by total energy in the system, but by differentials in temperature and pressure. By analogy, hooking up two fully charges car batteries in parallel accomplishes zero current. Three in parallel accomplishes…zero current. Note that 3 batteries contain a lot more energy than do two, yet nothing happens because there’s no voltage differential. For the earth system, cold regions are expected to warm more than warm regions, reducing the temperature differential between them (SB Law). You also have to consider the ideal gas law PV=nRT which results in pressure differentials being reduced. So, despite there being more energy pushed into the system by various means, the temperature and pressure differentials between tropics, temperate and arctic zones, between summer and winter seasons, and even between daily and nightly highs and lows, all get reduced and hence the severe weather driven by these things also gets reduced. In fact, the last 3 decades of satellite data for hurricanes shows quite conclusively that as temps have warmed, hurricanes have declines in both frequency and intensity.
But you studied physics in the 70’s and 80’s so I guess you knew all that.

June 27, 2014 5:32 pm

James Abbott says:
June 27, 2014 at 11:10 am
That’s pretty one sided I would suggest.

Unless it is true. The truth is kinda one sided.

jjs
June 27, 2014 6:09 pm

nice clear article….that should get um pooping at the EPA….

Latitude
June 27, 2014 6:24 pm

I think David just handed James his rear on a platter…
…can someone check that for me? Anthony?
REPLY: Not just a platter, a silver one, with a doilie – Anthony

Latitude
June 27, 2014 6:44 pm

LOL………

June 27, 2014 6:56 pm

To who ever fixed my formatting flub… thanks!
As for the silver platter, I was really just trying to point out the physics. Probably could have left off the sarcastic one liner at the end (but that would be breaking several decades of bad habits in that regard). But bottom line is we need guys like James Abbott to stick around, else we’re just an echo chamber.
James Abbott – WUWT has a wealth of data available, including an extreme weather page. I would urge you have a look and decide for yourself if severe weather is increasing with temperature rise of the last few decades:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/climatic-phenomena-pages/extreme-weather-page/

gnomish
June 27, 2014 7:28 pm

i did mean stephen j. gould who has a pedestal in my pantheon, mr steele.
skillful use of fine cognitive tools and very neat dissection of ideas is a joy to behold.
it’s the best part of human nature and more is better.
please, never let yourself become surrounded by sycophants. they form a layer of insulation from reality. stay shiny.

Bart
June 27, 2014 8:07 pm

James Abbott says:
June 27, 2014 at 2:00 pm
“… looks like you will find a way round any data set to try and prove a pre-determined position.”
Looks like you are conceding that your interpretation of the evidence is not unique or compelling.

June 28, 2014 1:18 am

jim Steele:
At June 27, 2014 at 4:19 pm you write

Abbott
I am confused. Which one of my questions have you responded to??
You answer reminds me of the “so-called” presidential debates. You don’t address the points directed to you but with a quick sidestep, use your moment to push an unrelated point. I am starting to believe you never will address those inconvenient truths.

I considered warning you that would happen when you started to interact with Abbott. His contribution to each thread he has entered consists solely of distorting and/or misrepresenting the words of others, and stating unreferenced falsehoods while evading each and every point put to him. But I did not warn you about Abbott because I was involved in ensuring that ‘newbies’ understood the nature of Oldberg’s contributions.
I am now glad that I did not warn you about Abbott because that may have hindered davidmhoffer’s superb demolition of him. Abbott deserved a ‘spanking’ and he got it. Laugh? I fell off my chair.
Richard

June 28, 2014 6:58 am

Ulric says, “I would say that poleward ocean heat transport is increased during negative NAO, because the atmospheric circulation moves south, where the water it can shift polewards, is warmer. You can even see it at monthly scale on “UAH NoPol ocean”, warm pulses during negative NAO periods: http://www.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc_lt_5.6.txt
Thanks for the data link, but the data would support both our arguments and ultimately we are saying similar things. But I think we need to see the poleward heat transport in 2 phases. Positive NAO, subtropical gyre spins up and more tropical heat is pushed into the midlatitudes until it is inhibited by the stronger subpolar gyre.
The negative NAO causes the two gyres to spin down and contract, and the smaller subpolar gyre allows warm water stored in the mid-latitidues to enter the Arctic. However because the subtropical gyres spins down, the volume of tropical heat transported to the midlatitude declines, and we enter a cold period. First European winters become colder, then the Arctic. That was the scenario from the 20s to 70s, and repeated beginning in the 80s. If the cycle is repeated, 2020 should begin the return of Arctic ice.

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