Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
In a recent interchange over at Joanne Nova’s always interesting blog, I’d said that the slow changes in the sun have little effect on temperature. Someone asked me, well, what about the cold temperatures during the Maunder and Dalton sunspot minima? And I thought … hey, what about them? I realized that like everyone else, up until now I’ve just accepted the idea of cold temperatures being a result of the solar minima as an article of faith … but I’d never actually looked at the data. And in any case, I thought, what temperature data would we have for the Maunder sunspot minimum, which lasted from 1645 to 1715? So … I went back to the original sources, which as always is a very interesting ride, and I learned a lot.
It turns out that this strong association of sunspot minima and temperature is a fairly recent development. Modern interest in the Maunder sunspot minimum was sparked by John Eddy’s 1976 publication of a paper in Science entitled “The Maunder Minimum”. In that paper, Eddy briefly discusses the question of the relationship between the Maunder sunspot minimum and the global temperature, viz:
The coincidence of Maunder’s “prolonged solar minimum” with the coldest excursion of the “Little Ice Age” has been noted by many who have looked at the possible relations between the sun and terrestrial climate (73). A lasting tree-ring anomaly which spans the same period has been cited as evidence of a concurrent drought in the American Southwest (68, 74). There is also a nearly 1 : 1 agreement in sense and time between major excursions in world temperature (as best they are known) and the earlier excursions of the envelope of solar behavior in the record of 14C, particularly when a 14C lag time is allowed for: the Sporer Minimum of the 16th century is coincident with the other severe temperature dip of the Little Ice Age, and the Grand Maximum coincides with the “medieval Climatic Optimum” of the 11th through 13th centuries (75, 76). These coincidences suggest a possible relationship between the overall envelope of the curve of solar activity and terrestrial climate in which the 11-year solar cycle may be effectively filtered out or simply unrelated to the problem. The mechanism of this solar effect on climate may be the simple one of ponderous long-term changes of small amount in the total radiative output of the sun, or solar constant. These long-term drifts in solar radiation may modulate the envelope of the solar cycle through the solar dynamo to produce the observed long-term trends in solar activity. The continuity, or phase, of the 11-year cycle would be independent of this slow, radiative change, but the amplitude could be controlled by it. According to this interpretation, the cyclic coming and going of sunspots would have little effect on the output of solar radiation, or presumably on weather, but the long-term envelope of sunspot activity carries the indelible signature of slow changes in solar radiation which surely affect our climate (77). [see paper for references]
Now, I have to confess, that all struck me as very weak, with more “suggest” and “maybe” and “could” than I prefer in my science. So I thought I’d look to see where he was getting the temperature data to support his claims. It turns out that he was basing his opinion of the temperature during the Maunder minimum on a climate index from H. H. Lamb, viz:
The Little Ice Age lasted roughly from 1430 to 1850 … if we take H. H. Lamb’s index of Paris London Winter Severity as a global indicator.
After some searching, I found the noted climatologist H. H. Lamb’s England winter severity index in his 1965 paper The Early Medieval Warm Epoch And Its Sequel. He doesn’t give the values for his index, but I digitized his graph. Here are Lamb’s results, showing the winter severity in England. Lower values mean more severe winters.
So let me pose you a small puzzle. Knowing that Eddy is basing his claims about a cold Maunder minimum on Lamb’s winter severity index … where in Lamb’s winter severity index would you say that we would find the Maunder and Dalton minima? …
Figure 1. H.H. Lamb’s index of winter severity in England.
As you can see, there is a reasonable variety in the severity of the winters in England. However, it is not immediately apparent just where in there we might find the Maunder and Dalton minima, although there are several clear possibilities. So to move the discussion along, let me reveal where they are:
Figure 2. As in Figure 1, but with the dates of the Maunder and Dalton minima added.
As we might expect, the Maunder minimum is the coldest part of the record. The Dalton minimum is also cold, but not as cold as the Maunder minimum, again as we’d expect. Both of them have warmer periods both before and after the minima, illustrating the effect of the sun on the … on the … hang on … hmmm, that doesn’t look right … let me check my figures …
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Well, imagine that. I forgot to divide by the square root of minus one, so I got the dates kinda mixed up, and I put both the Maunder and the Dalton 220 years early … here are the actual dates of the solar minima shown in Lamb’s winter severity index.
Figure 3. H.H. Lamb’s England winter severity index, 1100-1950, overlaid with the actual dates of the four solar minima ascribed to that period. Values are decadal averages 1100-1110,1110-1120, etc., and are centered on the decade.
As you can see …
• The cooling during the Wolf minimum is indistinguishable from the two immediately previous episodes of cooling, none of which get much below the overall average.
• The temperature during the Sporer minimum is warmer than the temperature before and after the minimum.
• The coldest and second coldest decades in the record were not associated with solar minima.
• The fastest cooling in the record, from the 1425 decade to the 1435 decade, also was not associated with a solar minimum.
• Contrary to what we’d expect, the Maunder minimum warmed from start to finish.
• The Dalton minimum is unremarkable in any manner other than being warmer than the decade before the start and the decade after the end of the minimum. Oh, and like the Maunder, it also warmed steadily over the period of the minimum.
Urk … that’s what Eddy based his claims on. Not impressed.
Let me digress with a bit of history. I began this solar expedition over a decade ago thinking, along with many others, that as they say, “It’s the sun, stupid!”. I, and many other people, took it as an unquestioned and unexamined “fact” that the small variations of the sun, both the 11-year cycles and the solar minima, had a discernible effect on the temperature. As a result, I spent endless hours investigating things like the barycentric movement of the sun. I went so far as to write a spreadsheet to calculate the barycentric movement for any period of history, and compared those results to the temperatures.
But the more I looked, the less I found. So I started looking at the various papers claiming that the 11-year cycle was visible in various climate datasets … still nothing. To date, I’ve written up and posted the results of my search for the 11-year cycle in global sea levels, the Central England Temperature record, sea surface temperatures, tropospheric temperatures, global surface temperatures, rainfall amounts, the Armagh Observatory temperatures, the Armagh Observatory daily temperature ranges, river flows, individual tidal stations, solar wind, the 10Beryllium ice core data, and some others I’ve forgotten … nothing.
Not one of them shows any significant 11-year cycle.
And now, for the first time I’m looking at temperature effects of the solar minima … and I’m in the same boat. The more I look, the less I find.
However, we do have some actual observational evidence for the time period of the most recent of the minima, the Dalton minimum, because the Berkeley Earth temperature record goes back to 1750. And while the record is fragmentary and based on a small number of stations, it’s the best we have, and it is likely quite good for comparison of nearby decades. In any case, here are those results:
Figure 4. The Berkeley Earth land temperature anomaly data, along with the Dalton minimum.
Once again, the data absolutely doesn’t support the idea of the sun ruling the temperature. IF the sun indeed caused the variations during the Dalton minimum, it first made the temperature rise, then fall, then rise again to where it started … sorry, but that doesn’t look anything like what we’d expect. For example, if the low spot around 1815 is caused by low solar input, then why does the temperature start rising then, and rise steadily until the end of the Dalton minimum, while the solar input is not rising at all?
So once again, I can’t find evidence to support the theory. As a result, I will throw the question open to the adherents of the theory … what, in your estimation, is the one best piece of temperature evidence that shows that the solar minima cause cold spells?
Now, a few caveats. First, I want to enlist your knowledge and wisdom in the search, so please just give me your one best shot. I’m not interested in someone dumping the results of a google search for “Maunder” on my desk. I want to know what YOU think is the very best evidence that solar minima cause global cooling.
Next, don’t bother saying “the Little Ice Age is the best evidence”. Yes, the Maunder occurred during the Little Ice Age (LIA). But the Lamb index says that the temperature warmed from the start of the Maunder until the end. Neither the Maunder’s location, which was quite late in the LIA, nor the warming Lamb shows from the start to the end of the Maunder, support the idea that the sun caused the LIA cooling.
Next, please don’t fall into the trap of considering climate model results as data. The problem, as I have shown in a number of posts, is that the global temperature outputs of the modern crop of climate models are nothing but linear transforms of their inputs. And since the models include solar variations among their inputs, those solar variations will indeed appear in the model outputs. If you think that is evidence for solar forcing of temperature … well, this is not the thread for you. So no climate model results, please.
So … what do you think is the one very best piece of evidence that the solar minima actually do affect the temperature, the evidence that you’d stand behind and defend?
My regards to you all,
w.
[UPDATE] In the comments, someone said that the Central England Temperature record shows the cooling effects of the solar minima … I’m not finding it:


As you can see, there is very little support for the “solar minima cause cool temperatures” hypothesis in the CET. Just as in the Lamb winter severity data and the Berkeley Earth data, during both the Dalton and Maunder minima we see the temperature WARMING for the last part of the solar minimum. IF the cause is in fact a solar slump … then why would the earth warm up while the sun is still slumping? And in particular, in the CET the Dalton minimum ends up quite a bit warmer than it started … how on earth does this support the “solar slump” claim, that at the end of the Dalton minimum it’s warmer than at the start?
The Usual Request: I know this almost never happens, but if you disagree with something that I or someone else has said, please have the common courtesy to QUOTE THEIR EXACT WORDS that you disagree with. This prevents much confusion and misunderstanding.
Data: Eddy’s paper, The Maunder Minimum
Lamb’s paper, The Early Medieval Warm Epoch And Its Sequel
Berkeley Earth, land temperature anomalies
Ulric Lyons says:
June 25, 2014 at 1:55 pm
Most of the rise we see over the last 300 years [CET] occurred since 1988.
lsvalgaard says:
June 25, 2014 at 7:54 pm
“When solar activity has been decreasing.”
The sharp rise in CET from 1988 to 1995 was a matter of increased summer sunshine hours and warmer circulation patterns due to the NAO being very positive. This was at a time when solar plasma forcing was at its greatest, it then declined from the mid 1990’s:
http://snag.gy/YztLh.jpg
From 1995 onwards there was a marked increase in negative NAO, that rapidly forced the warm AMO phase (and warmed the Arctic), and naturally raised average CET values, as they are impacted by SST’s in the region.
re kadaka (KD Knoebel)
June 27, 2014 at 9:25 am
Now the cutoffs could be unintentional, as with an honest 30 year running mean there would be 15 years cut off both ends. But you groan and moan exuberantly about the awful “runny mean” so would never use it and your legend swears a “5y filter” was used so only 2.5 years would be lost.
Thus as was obvious with the tree ring divergence and the Hokey Stick, I find only one conclusion makes sense as to why the rest of the data was “disappeared”.
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You should not let your ignorance feed your cynicism so readily.
Not all filters have the same support kernel as runny means. In order to get a better, less distorting filter you need a longer kernel. That was done with a lanczos filter
http://climategrog.wordpress.com/2013/11/28/lanczos-filter-script/
This has the advantage of short transition band, so it keeps as much LF as possible. For this reason I chose it over a gaussian which tends to make everything look like sine waves.
The cut-off was exactly what you originally thought before making incorrect conclusions about the length of the 5y filter and how I was sneakily cutting the data. In fact I drew attention to the divergence after 1988 and discussed it with lsvalgaard. Hardly playing “hide the decline” is it?
We know the temps ‘plateau’ after 2000 and the relaxation does not have any truncation, so use your imagination. The point here was to look at centennial scale change and whether SSN could be a factor.
I have also pointed out many times in numerous threads here on WUWT and my article two years ago that there is significant variability around 9y period and that this is why the SST signal is distorted and has a phase drift w.r.t SSN.
http://climategrog.wordpress.com/2013/03/01/61/
I don’t expect or suggest that the 11y variation matches in either straight SSN or 5y relaxation response. The point was to look at the long term variation.
As for all your shouting about the links, it’s not my links, it’s what WordPress does for you. I don’t like it but I don’t have time to make my own personal version of WP and convince them to adopt it.
Thanks for looking, I’m sure you could make a more useful contribution if you were not just out to snipe.
Leif You seem to imply that that the sort of thinking and approach which produced the geological time scale for example or which produced the current amazing rise in US oil and gas production is not “science” whereas what physicists do is. From my perspective you have too narrowly focussed a view of nature and how complex systems work and as a result you tend not to be able to see the wood for the trees .I’m not saying that what you do does not produce valuable and useful information- as you know I have several times complimented you on your scientific output. I would note however that relative to climate which is what the WUWT site is about your approach has up until now apparently been unable to produce any forecast whatever of future temperature trends that you are willing to put forward.
Page, your comment about Leif not putting any forecasts out for future temperature trends is his defining feature that puts him leagues ahead of all the top notch modelers of CO2 prognostications. And I agree with him on another point. Their science is better!
Dr Norman Page says:
June 28, 2014 at 7:32 am
Leif You seem to imply that that the sort of thinking and approach which produced the geological time scale for example or which produced the current amazing rise in US oil and gas production is not “science” whereas what physicists do is.
The examples you mention are based on hard data, not on extrapolations of non-scientific guesses. Your approach is not science by even a generous definition.
From Greg Goodman on June 28, 2014 at 6:21 am:
And that’s something that makes your work so funny. I had noticed that, searched, found out a Lanczos filter is appropriate for digital signals, like with image processing. Where you’d expect groupings of similar pixels, and patterns among the pixels.
So here you are using photoshop tools on short streams of sampled data from analog processes, and waiting for everyone to recognize your brilliance.
Keep on going with these negative examples, Greg, you’re giving me a great education on how NOT to mangle the data until it conforms to the observer’s preconceptions.
WUWT doesn’t have that problem with their image links and it’s hosted on wordpress-dot-com. I know other wordpress-dot-com sites without that problem. Heck, I’ve played with my own wordpress-dot-com blog and didn’t have that problem.
I find your explanation to be less than satisfactory. PEBKAC.
Leif
My approach is based on the rational scientific inferences which can be made from the data shown in Figs 3 ,4,5,6,7,8 and 9 at
http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com/2013/10/commonsense-climate-science-and.html
Actually my general approach is to post links to the data and have readers draw their own conclusions and readers are invited to go to links and do just that – see also
http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com/2012/11/global-cooling-climate-and-weather.html
(Note this was posted in Nov 2012.)
Dr Norman Page says:
June 28, 2014 at 8:33 am
My approach is based on the rational scientific inferences
No, your extrapolations [some based on cherry-picked data] are not science, however much it may hurt to admit it [which, of course, you never will]. A true mark of a scientist is to admit when he is wrong.
Leif You say “. A true mark of a scientist is to admit when he is wrong.” I agree entirely .
and look forward to hearing from you in about 2020.
Dr Norman Page says:
June 28, 2014 at 11:01 am
Leif You say “. A true mark of a scientist is to admit when he is wrong.” I agree entirely .
and look forward to hearing from you in about 2020.
I hope you will admit defeat long before that [but will not hold my breath]
Willis Eschenbach says:
June 27, 2014 at 12:23 am
You have been shown links to Meehl repeatedly. Why would it take 15 minutes to look at his references.
Your unwillingness to look at any studies which you suspect will show your claim false is why your assertion of no 11 year signal in any records is baseless.
milodonharlani says:
June 28, 2014 at 11:25 am
You have been shown links to Meehl repeatedly. Why would it take 15 minutes to look at his references.
There are many references and they in turn reference many other papers which in turn reference …, etc.
This very quickly becomes extremely tedious. You could be of great help if you could distill all that into a single paragraph and show it here.
tonyb says:
June 27, 2014 at 9:31 am
The PDO was discovered by a Pacific NW salmon researcher, so fish movements are indeed a good climate proxy.
Don’t worry about not being in the circus big tent of climatastrology. The consensus will sooner or later be so thoroughly shown false that its charlatan practitioners like Mann will go down in shame in the history of science.
Also, as citizens, those outside the tree ring circus still can have influence. Maybe more in the US than the UK, since at least there are some members of Congress willing, indeed eager to listen. My senators aren’t. but my representative is, although he keeps voting for windmill subsidies, since his district has more of them than anywhere else in the world. He survived a Tea Party candidate in the primary, but might not be so lucky next time, despite his present position of power. The GOP establishment is running scared since Majority Leader Cantor was defeated by a Tea Party opponent in the Virginia primary. One reason the US has never enacted a carbon tax is citizen resistance, although the EPA is trying to achieve the same result extra-legally.
lsvalgaard says:
June 28, 2014 at 11:29 am
I’ve already listed the key references in this & other blog comments. All Willis had to do was note the sources listed in the second & third PPT panels & Google them. But here goes again. Two of many references from:
G.A. Meehl, J.M. Arblaster, K. Matthes, F. Sassi, and H. van Loon, Amplifying the Pacific climate system response to a small 11 year solar cycle forcing, Science 325:1114-1118, 2009
The response in the Pacific to the sun’s decadal peaks and contrasts to cold events in the Southern Oscillation
Harry van Loon, Gerald A. Meehl
http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/ccr/publications/vanloon_meehl_2008.pdf
INTERDECADAL PACIFIC OSCILLATION AND SOUTH PACIFIC CLIMATE
M.J. SALINGER*, J.A. RENWICK and A.B. MULLAN
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/joc.691/pdf
These are not obscure papers. IPCC AR4 & NASA cite them.
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/08jan_sunclimate/
milodonharlani says:
June 28, 2014 at 11:53 am
I’ve already listed the key references in this & other blog comments.
I didn’t ask for more references. Can you not distill the science and summarize the evidence in your own words in a single paragraph?
lsvalgaard says:
June 28, 2014 at 12:00 pm
Sorry. Misunderstood you. IMO it’s summarized adequately in the NASA link I’ve posted repeatedly, including above. If you want a single paragraph, the first below might suffice:
“Indeed, Gerald Meehl of the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) presented persuasive evidence that solar variability is leaving an imprint on climate, especially in the Pacific. According to the report, when researchers look at sea surface temperature data during sunspot peak years, the tropical Pacific shows a pronounced La Nina-like pattern, with a cooling of almost 1o C in the equatorial eastern Pacific. In addition, “there are signs of enhanced precipitation in the Pacific ITCZ (Inter-Tropical Convergence Zone ) and SPCZ (South Pacific Convergence Zone) as well as above-normal sea-level pressure in the mid-latitude North and South Pacific,” correlated with peaks in the sunspot cycle.
“The solar cycle signals are so strong in the Pacific, that Meehl and colleagues have begun to wonder if something in the Pacific climate system is acting to amplify them. “One of the mysteries regarding Earth’s climate system … is how the relatively small fluctuations of the 11-year solar cycle can produce the magnitude of the observed climate signals in the tropical Pacific.” Using supercomputer models of climate, they show that not only “top-down” but also “bottom-up” mechanisms involving atmosphere-ocean interactions are required to amplify solar forcing at the surface of the Pacific.
“In recent years, researchers have considered the possibility that the sun plays a role in global warming. After all, the sun is the main source of heat for our planet. The NRC report suggests, however, that the influence of solar variability is more regional than global. The Pacific region is only one example.
“Caspar Amman of NCAR noted in the report that “When Earth’s radiative balance is altered, as in the case of a change in solar cycle forcing, not all locations are affected equally. The equatorial central Pacific is generally cooler, the runoff from rivers in Peru is reduced, and drier conditions affect the western USA.”
“Raymond Bradley of UMass, who has studied historical records of solar activity imprinted by radioisotopes in tree rings and ice cores, says that regional rainfall seems to be more affected than temperature. “If there is indeed a solar effect on climate, it is manifested by changes in general circulation rather than in a direct temperature signal.” This fits in with the conclusion of the IPCC and previous NRC reports that solar variability is NOT the cause of global warming over the last 50 years.
“Much has been made of the probable connection between the Maunder Minimum, a 70-year deficit of sunspots in the late 17th-early 18th century, and the coldest part of the Little Ice Age, during which Europe and North America were subjected to bitterly cold winters. The mechanism for that regional cooling could have been a drop in the sun’s EUV output; this is, however, speculative.”
milodonharlani says:
June 28, 2014 at 12:06 pm
“there are signs of enhanced precipitation in the Pacific … correlated with peaks in the sunspot cycle”.
“signs of’? You call that compelling evidence? I am not impressed. Meehl’s paper is just like the other hundreds of papers making vague claims with little or ambiguous evidence.
lsvalgaard says:
June 28, 2014 at 12:13 pm
As you know better than anyone here, scientific language is often not couched boldly. You could form your own opinion of the work upon which that sentence was based by reading the papers cited in Meehl & the other studies mentioned by your frequent contracting agency, NASA.
milodonharlani says:
June 28, 2014 at 12:20 pm
You could form your own opinion of the work upon which that sentence was based by reading the papers cited in Meehl
Already have as I boldly expressed
your frequent contracting agency, NASA.
Your appeal to authority does not impress. Who do you think NASA asks?
lsvalgaard says:
June 28, 2014 at 12:23 pm
I wasn’t appealing to authority, but to the work of your colleagues cited by NASA, which does ask other scientists besides yourself for their results. I’m sure all here could benefit from your analysis or review of the studies the agency cites in its discussion I linked.
milodonharlani says:
June 28, 2014 at 12:27 pm
I’m sure all here could benefit from your analysis or review of the studies the agency cites in its discussion I linked.
The agency does not cite anything, Meehl does.
lsvalgaard says:
June 28, 2014 at 12:36 pm
The NASA-authored publication I linked above cites Meehl & other studies. IMO the agency’s officially mentioning & discussing those papers counts as citing them.
milodonharlani says:
June 28, 2014 at 12:44 pm
The NASA-authored publication I linked above cites Meehl & other studies. IMO the agency’s officially mentioning & discussing those papers counts as citing them.
NASA issues press releases on many things. Most are overhyped and many are misleading. The Agency does not an ‘official opinion’ and is simply reporting on work by some scientist, not ‘citing’ the work in the usual meaning of that word.
Milodon
Thanks for your comment. I have seen some of the Plymouth fish records-and others-which date back to the 12th century. They tell of a constant change between warm and cold water fish that matches up nicely with what we know of the temperature changes over the last 800 years.
tonyb
lsvalgaard says:
June 28, 2014 at 12:48 pm
It’s not citing in a journal paper, you’re right. However, the NASA document is more than just a press release. It is about the publication & conference linked below, but also cites relevant journal articles & discusses them.
http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=13519
As a reporter, I’d be happy if all press releases so closely resembled an article, quoting outside experts & referencing their studies.
IMO before dismissing your colleagues’ work, it would be respectful to read it.