Over the past decade, we have seen many examples of what would be categorized as” team science” when it comes to suppressing ideas that are considered inconvenient or contrary to belief systems in climate science. Over at the blog Bishop Hill, one such example was illustrated today by an academic who describes himself as a statistician, who attracted the attention of “team science” by simply doing a straightforward and honest statistical analysis on ice core data.
He and his students did an analysis on Vostok ice core data, eliminated noise and seasonal variation, did the usual tests for statistical significance, noted what they had discovered and presented it to”a noted society”. The response of the society was shocking to say the least, so much so that this statistician considered leaving academia. Here are some excerpts:
During the analysis, we noticed many interesting features, especially during the present interglacial, which seems to have a ‘seasonality’. We estimated the seasonality and proceeded to remove it, using a technique I teach in their course, in order to find the underlying trend.
Having done this, we noted that not only was there underlying further seasonality and cycles, but that firstly the temperature according to the proxy record was considerably below its maximum and also secondly that the temperature was rapidly decreasing.
Next we looked at the carbon dioxide content. The CO2 data was quite sparse, and certainly not enough for a final year student to conduct any form of correlation with the temperature, which followed each other. On researching this correlation, we were surprised to learn that the change in CO2 lags the change in temperature by between 200 and 1000 years.
These findings were presented at a small conference at one of the major learned societies.
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Several months afterwards, the society’s ‘newsletter’ was published. It contained a special section on the conference at which I had spoken, with a brief description of each talk, the work behind it, and with thanks offered to each speaker. I searched for my name – nothing. My presentation was ignored in its entirety.
Climate skeptics are often described by the proponents of global warming as being” anti-– science”. Yet, here we have probably the most blatant example of anti-science behavior on display.
You can read the entire article at the Bishop Hill blog here:
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2014/6/16/on-entering-the-climate-arena.html
It is well worth your time.
It is unfortunate though, that this academic has chosen not to identify himself and to speak up to his colleagues about this treatment and behavior. Doing so is the only way to push back against this sort of censorship of science.
Nick Stokes writes “Not true. Here’s the IPCC writing in AR3, 2001:
“From a detailed study of the last three glacial terminations in the Vostok ice core, Fischer et al. (1999) conclude that CO2 increases started 600 ± 400 years after the Antarctic warming.””
We dont have a date from which to go on for the writer. Either you can think the whole thing is essentially made up or its from a time when the finding was controversial. I doubt he made it all up, myself.
philjourdan said on June 17, 2014 at 6:12 am:
Catastrophic anthropogenic global warming is a cliché. (The “é” is Ctrl-Shift-U+e9 on a sensible computer.) They deserve periodic examination for truthfulness and relevance.
I take this to mean you have insufficient experience trying to help wounded animals, scared animals, old and grouchy animals, sick animals, animals that wake up in a defensive mode and bite you and rake their claws across your face too close to your eyes but you can’t hold it against them as they were lashing out in surprise…
Animals are far closer to humans than humans want to admit. What makes humans different is when the helping hand is bitten we can decide to not retaliate, and try again. The cliché is caca.
Humans are the only species that when the helping hand is bitten, they reach out with the other hand.
@kadaka – Try alt 130 (on the key pad) é – But I am lazy about that. Excuse me.
And yes I have taken care of sick, hurt, wounded, etc. animals. Quite frequently. And yes they have lashed out in pain. Sometimes in fear. But never in anger. (which is what the cliché was referring to).
Perhaps you meant man is more like animals. Perhaps not. Regardless, pick your nits elsewhere. My statement stands and all you have done is bring up non sequiturs.
You can keep the ALT tip – and you are welcome – see here for the codes: http://www.asciitable.com/
Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
June 17, 2014 at 12:16 am
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Thanks for the input. I noted other comments which you made that indicate a similar line of thought. I did not think of the impact of warming on the biosphere. How does an El Nino increase the rate of co2 growth? Is that due to extra decomposition of plants from the warming?
Pamela–I’ll go with the red wine, too–not so sure about accompanying it with chocolate.
goldminor says:
June 17, 2014 at 7:14 am
An El Niño has two effects, mainly in the tropics: an increase in temperature over the tropics and a change in rain patterns over several parts of the tropical rainforests. The net result is that some plants get over their temperature optimum, and decrease/cease growing if there is additional drought, while plant decay still is going strong or even increases.
In general the tropical forests growth and decay are more or less in equilibrium. That equilibrium is disturbed, but restored in a few years after the El Niño ceased. The opposite happens with major volcanic eruption: besides slighlty lower temperatures, the dust in the stratosphere scatters sunlight in all directions, which makes that leaves normally in the shadow of other leaves for a part of the day receive more light for photosynthesis and the whole plant world absorbs more CO2…
Sorry to be such a skeptic, but if Lone Wolf’s troubles were a made-up story I would not be surprised. Of course if it were true I would not be surprised either, but there is no reason to believe it’s not made up.
In 1999 I took my wife to the tasting room at Silverado Vineyards in Napa Valley. There, the hostess gave her a taste of dark chocolate with the Reserve Merlot. The reaction was straight from the diner scene in “When Harry Met Sally”. The best part though was the hostess’ reaction: Yeah, we get that a lot!
Guys! Serve your lady dark chocolate with a good red wine. You’ll both like the result.
Peter Sable says:
June 16, 2014 at 11:00 pm
“At this point, without studying the data and the math in horrid detail, I’m not sure I even believe the 1000 year time lag in CO2. How much was processing phase delay due to running averages and other such nonsense?”
So you insinuate they were too stupid to use a centered average yet you are too lazy to find evidence for your insinuation. So you’re an armchair smear artist.
Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
June 17, 2014 at 8:17 am
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I noticed that Mt Pinatubo appears to affect co2 ppm in the year, 1992. It is interesting to note the difference between ML at 0.48 ppm vs global at 0.67 ppm for that year.
What made me start into this line of thought is the puzzle of why the yearly rate of co2 has not continued to rise with the greater output from mankind coupled with large land use changes. The year 1979 hits 2.14 ppm, which is a new high after 1977 at 1.92 ppm. Since that time approximately 2/3rds of the years after the 70s see a lower yearly increase in co2/ppm. It is as if the atmosphere is selectively taking in only so much co2 despite the increase in anthro emitted co2. Why didn’t the rate of growth continue to climb, especially after the high of 1998, 2.84 ppm global, which has been followed by the hottest decade+ in recent times?
From philjourdan on June 17, 2014 at 11:39 am:
So where’s the keypad on a laptop? Never mind, doesn’t work. Haven’t you modernized to UTF-8 encoding?
It actually fell flat on its face, but that is a nice last-gasp example of “biting the hand”.
@kadaka – Look for the purple numbers on the keys on the right side of the qwerty keyboard. Then add the key FN to the sequence I gave you.
Most laptops have a separate key pad in any event. Most tablets do not.
As I said, your inability to understand an old cliché is NMP. It did not fall anywhere. You just whiffed it.
It is old news that for hundreds of thousands of years, and until industrialization started significantly increasing CO2 level, CO2 on-average lagged temperature, typically by several hundred years. That happened back when the sum of atmospheric, hydrospheric, and biospheric carbon was essentially constant. Warming temperatures shifted CO2 from the hyderopshere to the atmosphere, and vice versa. This also served as a positive feedback mechanism for temperature change from other causes, such as the Milankovitch cycles.
Now that fossil fuel consumption is significant, and we are transfering large amounts of carbon from the lithosphere to the sum of the atmosphere, hydrosphere and biosphere (and most directly to the atmosphere), we are seeing the hydrosphere gain carbon from the atmosphere despite warming.
From philjourdan on June 18, 2014 at 6:14 am:
My ThinkPads do not. There is a NumLk function (shift-ScrLk) to transform part of the keyboard, not worth it.
Adding FN doesn’t help. Because what you missed was, you were giving M$ WinDoze sequences, which by default around here use “Western European” encoding known as Windows-1252, a “superset” of ISO-8859-1. I run Linux, with Unicode, specifically UTF-8 encoding.
Thus I gave you the Unicode sequence for a “sensible computer”, asked if you modernized to UTF-8, and your M$ ALT sequences won’t work.
Oh please, give it up already. “Bite the hand that feeds you” is the old cliché, well understood. You added the anti-human “Man is the only creature that” part which is clearly false. I called you on it. I was right.
And feeding your entire line into Google has yielded “About 63,700,000 results” for which your use above is the third result for me, and the only one using the entire line without breaking it up into the “bites” part and the rest.
Adding quotes to that line takes it to 1 result, this article.
What you stated was NOT an old cliché, but your own new creation. And it is clearly false. That does make it YOUR problem, NMP.
Give it up kadaka. You are wrong. I paraphrased (hence the no quote marks):
Mark Twain
As for ASCII, it is universal, but not the ONLY encoding of characters. Indeed, in the early days there was EBCDIC (IBM) and ASCII (most everyone else).
Windoze did not invent it. It was invented before Bill Gates knew what a computer was. Your ignorance of that fact is your downfall.
Interesting comparison with an example of the American Geophysical Union suppressing discussion on non-consensus science in its newspaper EOS. See discussion on the point at
http://judithcurry.com/2014/06/03/agu-enforcing-the-consensus/
@ur momisugly Alan Watt… Did I see 308? Oh well, I can see why the report was rejected… “The half life of any carbon dioxide in the atmosphere as a gas is short, a matter of days rather than years. ” Whoa, Whoa… such heretic language!!!!!!!
From philjourdan on June 18, 2014 at 11:56 am:
Hell of a paraphrase, as the “principal difference” would resolve as ‘If you pick up a starving man and make him prosperous, he might bite you.’
You are stating you “paraphrased” into (bold added) “Man is the only creature that bites the hand that feeds it.”
That’s not paraphrasing, not restating. That’s fundamentally expanding it from Man vs Dog to Man vs Everything Else. That’s your new creation. Own It.
And it’s still grossly demonstrably WRONG.
Wait, why bring up ASCII when I didn’t? I sense a “Look, a squirrel!” moment coming on.
True ASCII was and is a US thing. The only thing “universal” was it and all its variations together.
Then you uttered:
Bud, I’ve used terminals. I’ve long known about ASCII. I called it, you’re pulling a “Look, a squirrel!” You’ve added “I told you it had a black tipped tail, I was right!” when we weren’t talking about squirrels.
You whipped out ASCII, incorrectly. I wasn’t ignorant of it, it won’t be my downfall. You are still wrong.
I gave you a Linux sequence, you didn’t recognize it, and gave me M$ Windoze-specific sequences, which don’t work on Linux.
Got some more decoys or distractions? Your last ones were weak and easily disregarded.
Kadaka – you did indeed bring up ASCII (calling it a Windoze manifestation). It was ‘universal’ in the respect that all computers used it (of course non-american ones would have their own). You love to pick nits that are irrelevant. We were talking about computers – NOT nations. I guess you missed that as well.
And your statement is nowhere in the quote or paraphrase that I used. So give it up. YOu are trying the squirrel routine. I just called you on it.
I did use the word “only”. However there is nothing in Twain’s quote that indicates it is not true. Hence the “paraphrase”. You already expressed ignorance over the quote. I doubt you have grasped the meaning of it yet.
Keep digging. I am sure you will get to China eventually.
Somebody sent me a book review on a totally different subject …….but how well it fits the present situation:
‘Science sometimes goes down an incorrect path. Though the path is wrong, a detailed superstructure of learning gets built on top of the incorrect premise. Such was the case with the medical practice of bloodletting in the early 1800s’
Tailor made, don’t you think?
@Colin
Actually the same group sponsored both – the leeches.
From philjourdan on June 19, 2014 at 9:24 am:
June 16, 2014 at 10:48 am – No ASCII
June 17, 2014 at 7:14 am – No ASCII
June 17, 2014 at 5:12 pm – No ASCII
June 18, 2014 at 9:11 am – No ASCII
June 18, 2014 at 11:56 am – YOU bring up ASCII in YOUR POST. That’s the first occurrence, from you, not me.
Oh wow. It was painful enough watching you wriggle, but now you put out an outright mistruth that’s so easily disproved.
You fail at logic. You dig up an obscure Mark Twain quote and claim you have paraphrased, which resulted in a manifestly obviously untrue line which just happened to contain the same wording of an ancient well-known cliché completely accidentally.
This is over. And now as the hero does on Japanese-derived Saturday morning action shows, I turn my back to you, confident I have delivered the death blow, as you grimace, gasp, and crumple to the ground. Sayonara.
@kadaka – And still you lie
To wit:
However that is not bringing it up. That is merely sourcing my statement. So you lied about that. Then YOU state:
It is not a “WINDOZE sequence. I then pointed out that ASCII is a universal language, and you then tried to turn it into a discussion on foreign languages – which had been nowhere in the discussion previously. So you lied again.
I then quoted the Twain quote that I had paraphrased. Obscure? Are you ESL? Perhaps that is my problem – not understanding that your English is poor. it is not an “obscure” Twain quote. It is a very famous one. But you seem to have an aversion to facts. Instead relying on – look a squirrel! – misdirection. And every time I bring you back you have to lie again (as you did here).
Thank you, but I have a degree in math. I expect I know more about the subject than you ever will. The quote and paraphrase are not math. Even English majors will tell you that (oops! Excuse me! I forgot you are ESL).
Turn your back, please! Your ignorance and obstinance is becoming boring. The right way would be to admit you picked a fight in error. The cowards way is to merely slink off in defeat hoping no one will see you go.
Thanks philjourdan,
I can’t disagree with a word of your reply.
Colin
I betcha his career plateaued for some time, or permanently, after the conference.
From philjourdan on June 20, 2014 at 7:57 am:
Must I invoke Eschenbach rules and chew you out mightily for calling me a liar without ANY substantiation?
You “source your statement” on
June 17, 2014 at 11:39 am
I gave your bringing up ASCII as first happening on
June 18, 2014 at 11:56 am
THEY ARE NOT THE SAME DATE.
Therefore, you are backing up your accusation of lying with a date I didn’t use.
And you did give me ALT sequences which are for M$ Windoze, not Linux, thus again I did not lie. That you also tossed out an ASCII table doesn’t change that.
Besides, Ctrl-Shift-u codes use hexadecimal, and the “Extended ASCII Codes” at the link you gave are decimal only, thus are still not usable for me beyond the standard ASCII codes.
And the rest of comment is excessive personal attacks.
Thus it’s easily shown you have lied about me lying. You are delving deep into the personal attacks.
You have lost, and have further discredited yourself. And despite your degree in math and your familiarity with literature, with your aspirations to greater eliteness as you look down upon those who have read other things than what you prefer, you’ve revealed the true self you concealed beneath your scholarly demeanor.
Thankfully, you have to live with yourself, I do not. Good bye.
@kadaka – If they are not the same date, then one is wrong. Which one is it? let me guess. you list a date, I list the comment. Hmmm…
You are not nearly as good as Willis, so stop pretending. You lied. And I gave you the ASCII CODES (the table does not talk about ALT sequences). I will say that is just plain ignorance on your part.
Linux has an ALT key (I gather you missed that on your keyboard). As I clearly stated, the “ALT” trick worked before Windoze was a gleam in Gate’s eye. And it does work in some version of Linux (but since I have not tried them all, I cannot say all). it depends upon the EDITOR. Which surprisingly enough does not RELY on Windoze!
You are merely proving you are a liar and a bad one by now trying to shift the goal posts once again. You were ignorant of the original quote from Twain that I paraphrased. You are ignorant of the ASCII codes, you tried to ignore the fact we were talking computers, NOT nations.
And you want to now jump up on a table and declare victory when you LIED again? (You said you were done)
Give it a break. As I said, at your rate, you will reach China before long.
Good thing I checked back at this post. I didn’t think the perfidy of “philjourdan” could be so great as to wait THREE DAYS to sneak in a lying deceitful slimy last word so I finally closed the tab. And now, oh look, he did try to wait me out like a sniveling coward.
From philjourdan on June 23, 2014 at 7:41 am:
So, you accused me of bringing up ASCII first. I said you had, gave the date, ignoring when earlier you had provided the ASCII tables link. Then you pointed to the ASCII table, which would still mean you mentioned ASCII first. Now you say you listed the comment. Which you didn’t. On June 19, 2014 at 9:24 am you said:
I first used “WinDoze” here on June 18, 2014 at 9:11 am. No ASCII was mentioned. However you mentioned ASCII in the very next comment on June 18, 2014 at 11:56 am. Just as I noted in the list.
That you bring up Willis is quite curious.
Oh, and on June 17, 2014 at 11:39 am you said:
ALT-130 maps to Extended ASCII character 130, é. See the connection? The ALT sequence uses the Extended ASCII decimal number. That table implicitly lists ALT sequences, which you should have noticed. To quote, “I will say that is just plain ignorance on your part.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt_code#Linux
Then they list three Ctrl-Shift-u methods. Ah hell, Wikipedia refutes you in under five seconds, I just Googled for “alt sequence in linux”. Can’t you verify before you spew?
You’re cute when you’re trying to be indignant.
Your obscure Twain quote did not use “hand”, but the old cliché does, and so does your new creation. You incorporated the old cliché into it rather than paraphrased the old Samuel Langhorne Clemens line, as has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
Seeing as you are a craven lying backstabber, I can understand why you’re in a hurry for me to turn away again.
Aw, you’re one of the three remaining people who think if you dig straight down in the US you’ll hit China, rather than come out in the South Hemisphere. That is so quaint!
Never mind sweetie, I see what you’re doing. I searched for your handle with “wuwt willis eschenbach” and found cutesy comments like this one. You’re trying to get him to notice you, you have for years, mixing a bit of wit with some sarcasm. I’d hate to tell you this but you already know whether you admit it or not, your pick-up technique just ain’t working on Willis, he’s not interested in interacting with you, you’ll never get in his pants. So you’re taking out your frustrations on the ugly tag-along you see as competition since he’s smarter and wittier than you, whether you admit it or not.
You made it soooo obvious with your girly ‘You’ll never be good enough for him so stop trying!’ squeal. Now when I “hear” your words it sounds like something on Modern Family.
So, you want to dance with me? Do you really? Come on, do you feel lucky?
Well then put on your lipstick, darling, and I’ll let you know what a dirty little thing you still are, oink oink. By the way you’ve been trying to rile me up, I know you must really like it rough. *wink wink slap*
[snip . . this is not who we are, surely? . . think it through again.Thanks . . mod]
@ur momisugly mod – no it is not, and I apologize for allowing my indignation over the filth that kadaka has been spewing to get the better of my emotions. I only ask you look at his latest litany of ad hominems and lies to see if that should indeed stand as a comment or not. I have no clue of his problem, but he seems to have taken a disliking to me.
FWIW, I know anything past three URLs will automatically trigger “awaiting moderation” and mod attention, so I deliberately loaded my comment with unneeded in-thread links.
Yup, I submitted my comment for review. I didn’t want the management to feel waylaid by the content later, so I made sure to give someone a heads-up.
And philjourdan, your passive-aggressive routine, with the ‘I have no idea why he doesn’t like me’ after what you said, really is not helping me “hear” you as anything other than the shrilly catty stereotype, although celebrities like Perez Hilton and shows like Modern Family do their best to indicate it’s not all that uncommon, and not all that far off the mark.
Besides, aside from your libelous comments here, what would you have to be embarrassed about?
Give it up kadaka. The Mods have spoken. Take your obsession elsewhere.
And try reading Twain. Your lies are well documented.
From philjourdan on June 30, 2014 at 10:31 am:
Sure they have, darling. You were clipped. You pleaded “@ur momisugly mod”:
My comment still stands. The mods have indeed spoken loudly.
I may have been exposed to “Adventures of Tom Sawyer” when younger. Nowadays our public schools prefer to protect children from such racist misogynist trash.
Sweetie, the non-lies are very well documented above, your smear campaign was soundly refuted. You were slapped down.
Then you came back. You were slapped down again. Repeat. Now you’re back again. Evidence indicates you likely want to get slapped down. You’re freaky. Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
You’re still cute when you’re trying to be indignant.
Going by the time and date stamps, I’d guess you post at work on the Left coast and don’t have internet access otherwise. Better make sure the management doesn’t mind, beautiful.