'Correcting' Trenberth et al.

(See the note below before taking this post seriously – Anthony)

Guest essay by Steven Wilde

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Here we see the classic energy budget analysis supporting the hypothesis that the surface of the Earth is warmer than the S-B equation would predict due to 324 Wm2 of ‘Back Radiation’ from the atmosphere to the surface.

It is proposed that it is Back Radiation that lifts the surface temperature from 255K, as predicted by S-B, to the 288K actually observed because the 324 Back Radiation exceeds the surface radiation to the air of 222 Wm2 ( 390 Wm2 less 168 Wm2) by 102 Wm2. It is suggested that there is a net radiative flow from atmosphere to surface of 102 Wm2.

I now discuss an alternative possibility.

The portions I wish to focus on are:

i) 390 Wm2 Surface Radiation to atmosphere

ii) 78 Wm2 Evapo-transpiration surface to atmosphere

iii) 24 Thermals surface to atmosphere

iv) 324 Back Radiation atmosphere to surface

The budget needs to be amended as follows:

The 78 Wm2 needs to be corrected to zero because the moist adiabatic lapse rate during ascent is less than the dry lapse rate on adiabatic descent which ensures that after the first convective cycle there is as much energy back at the surface as before Evapo-transpiration began.

The 24 Wm2 for thermals needs to be corrected to zero because dry air that rises in thermals then warms back up to the original temperature on descent.

Therefore neither ii) nor iii) should be included in the radiative budget at all. They involve purely non radiative means of energy transfer and have no place in the radiative budget since, being net zero, they do not cool the surface. AGW theory and the Trenberth diagram incorrectly include them as a net surface cooling influence.

Furthermore, they cannot reduce Earth’s surface temperature below 255K because both conduction and convection are slower methods of energy transmission than radiation. To reduce the surface temperature below 255K they would have to work faster than radiation which is obviously not so.

They can only raise a surface temperature above the S-B expectation and for Earth that is 33K.

Once the first convective overturning cycle has been completed neither Thermals nor Evapo-transpiration can have any additional warming effect at the surface provided mass, gravity and insolation remain constant.

As regards iv) the correct figure for the radiative flux from atmosphere to surface should be 222 Wm2 because items ii) and iii) should not have been included.

That also leaves the surface to atmosphere radiative flux at 222 Wm2 which taken with the 168 Wm2 absorbed directly by the surface comes to the 390 Wm2 required for radiation from the surface.

The rest of the energy budget diagram appears to be correct.

So, how to decide whether my interpretation is accurate?

I think it is generally accepted that the lapse rate slope marks the points in the atmosphere where there is energy balance within molecules that are at the correct height for their temperature.

Since the lapse rate slope intersects with the surface it follows that DWIR equals UWIR for a zero net radiative balance if a molecule at the surface is at the correct temperature for its height. If it is not at the correct surface temperature it will simply move towards the correct height by virtue of density variations in the horizontal plane (convection).

Thus, 222 UWIR at the surface should equal 222 DWIR at the surface AND 222 plus 168 should add up to 390 and, of course, it does.

AGW theory erroneously assumes that Thermals and Evapo-transpiration have a net cooling effect on the surface and so they have to uplift the radiative exchange at the surface from 222 Wm2 to 324 Wm2 and additionally they assume that the extra 102 Wm2 is attributable to a net radiative flux towards the surface from the atmosphere.

The truth is that there is no net flow of radiation in any direction at the surface once the air at the surface is at its correct temperature for its height, which is 288K and not 255K. The lapse rate intersecting at the surface tells us that there can be no net radiative flux at the surface when surface temperature is at 288K.

A rise in surface temperature above the S-B prediction is inevitable for an atmosphere capable of conducting and convection because those two processes introduce a delay in the transmission of radiative energy through the system. Conduction and convection are a function of mass held within a gravity field.

Energy being used to hold up the weight of an atmosphere via conduction and convection is no longer available for radiation to space since energy cannot be in two places at once.

The greenhouse effect is therefore a product of atmospheric mass rather than radiative characteristics of constituent molecules as is clearly seen when the Trenberth diagram is corrected and the lapse rate considered.

Since one can never have more than 390 Wm2 at the surface without increasing conduction and convection via changes in mass, gravity or insolation a change in the quantity of GHGs cannot make any difference. All they can do is redistribute energy within the atmosphere.

There is a climate effect from the air circulation changes but, due to the tiny proportion of Earth’s atmospheric mass comprised of GHGs, too small to measure compared to natural variability.

What Happens When Radiative Gases Increase Or Decrease?

Applying the above correction to the Trenberth figures we can now see that 222 Wm2 radiation from the surface to the atmosphere is simply balanced by 222 Wm2 radiation from the atmosphere to the surface. That is the energy being constantly expended by the surface via conduction and convection to keep the weight of the atmosphere off the surface. We must ignore it for the purpose of energy transmission to space since the same energy cannot be in two places at once.

We then have 168 Wm2 left over at the surface which represents energy absorbed by the surface after 30 Wm2 has been reflected from the surface , 77 Wm2 has been reflected by the atmosphere and 67 Wm2 has been absorbed by the atmosphere before it reaches the surface.

That 168 Wm2 is then transferred to the atmosphere by conduction and convection leaving a total of 235 Wm2 in the atmosphere (168 plus 67).

It is that 235 Wm2 that must escape to space if radiative balance is to be maintained.

Now, remember that the lapse rate slope represents the positions in the atmosphere where molecules are at their correct temperature for their height.

At any given moment convection arranges that half the mass of the atmosphere is too warm for its height and half the mass is too cold for its height.

The reason for that is that the convective process runs out of energy to lift the atmosphere any higher against gravity when the two halves equalise.

It must follow that at any given time half of the GHGs must be too warm for their height and the other half too cold for their height.

That results in density differentials that cause the warm molecules to rise and the cold molecules to fall.

If a GHG molecule is too warm for its height then DWIR back to the surface dominates but the molecule rises away from the surface and cools until DWIR again equals UWIR.

If a GHG molecule is too cold for its height then UWIR to space dominates but the molecule then falls until DWIR again equals UWIR.

The net effect is that any potential for GHGs to warm or cool the surface is negated by the height changes relative to the slope of the adiabatic lapse rate.

Let’s now look at how that outgoing 235 Wm2 is dealt with if radiative gas concentrations change.

It is recognised that radiative gases tend to reduce the size of the Atmospheric Window (40 Wm2) so we will assume a reduction from 40 Wm2 to 35 Wm2 by way of example.

If that happens then DWIR for molecules that are too warm for their height will increase but the subsequent rise in height will cause the molecule to rise above its correct position along the lapse rate slope with UWIR to space increasing at the expense of DWIR back to the surface and rising will only stop when DWIR again equals UWIR.

Since UWIR to space increases to compensate for the shrinking of the atmospheric window (from 40 Wm2 to 35 Wm2) the figure for radiative emission from the atmosphere will increase from 165 to 170 which keeps the system in balance with 235 Wm2 still outgoing.

If the atmosphere had no radiative capability at all then radiative emission from the atmosphere would be zero but the Atmospheric Window would release 235 Wm2 from the surface.

If the atmosphere were 100% radiative then the Atmospheric Window from the surface would be zero and the atmosphere would radiate the entire 235 Wm2.

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Note: I’m glad to see a number of people pointing out how flawed the argument is. Every once in awhile we need to take a look at the ‘Slayer’ mentality of thinking about radiative balance, just to keep sharp on the topic. At first I thought this should go straight into the hopper, and then I thought it might make some good target practice, so I published it without any caveat.

Readers did not disappoint.

Now you can watch the fun as they react over at PSI.  – Anthony

P.S. Readers might also enjoy my experiment on debunking the PSI light bulb experiment, and note the reactions in comments, entirely opposite to this one. New WUWT-TV segment: Slaying the ‘slayers’ with Watts

Update: Let me add that the author assuredly should have included a link to the underlying document, Earth’s Global Energy Budget by Kiehl and Trenberth …

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April 20, 2014 12:10 am

Frank said:
“Unless you believe GHGs in the atmosphere do NOT emit LWR radiation towards the surface that can be detected, we can identify the source (sun or atmosphere) of downward photons with a high degree of accuracy. Any wavelength shorter than 4 um probably (about 98% likelihood) was emitted by the sun and any wavelength longer was emitted by GHGs in the atmosphere.”
GHGs and aerosols must emit downward but that should be limited to 222 WM2 at equilibrium to match surface to atmosphere of 222 Wm2.
The other 102 Wm2 comes from adiabatically warmed molecules of GHGs and aerosols that are in close enough contact with the surface to participate in the conductive exchange between surface and atmosphere. The conductive exchange is also in balance at 102 Wm2 each way on average. That conductive exchange contributes to the IR ‘haze’ at any given height according to the lapse rate slope. The further one moves GHGs and aerosols up from the surface the less is the proportionate contribution of the conductive component to total IR.
The point is that GHGs and aerosols receive their energy for radiation from BOTH radiation and conduction and it is the conduction element that is ignored by the K & T diagram and AGW theory generally.
Note that the actual numbers are for illustrative purposes only since in the real world they are in constant change as the system varies about the mean.
When an infra red sensor at the surface points upward it measures both the 222 Wm2 coming down radiatively AND the 102 Wm2 of the IR haze generated by the conductive exchange at the height where it is situated.

david(swuk)
April 20, 2014 3:35 am

Thanks for the response Frank but, in referring but briefly to the S.o.D.com CON! I would aim you at but one item therein,
” First citing Lacis et al:
The difference between the nominal global mean surface temperature (TS = 288 K) and the global mean effective temperature (TE = 255 K) is a common measure of the terrestrial greenhouse effect (GT = TS – TE = 33 K).”
which clearly installs in the minds of the quick-flick believer the notion of GHGs being responsible for ALL THAT difference.
Another would be the comparative BB radiation spectra of Sun v Earth which are shown to be of equal magnitude because Energy In must not exceed Energy Out when it is patently clear that it must.

Frank
April 20, 2014 1:12 pm

I disagree with Lacis about the utility of the 33 degK number; there are too many over-simplifications. No GHG’s – no clouds – reduced albedo. No rotation. Not spherical. 255 degK is the appropriate temperature for a disk facing the sun receiving 1366 W/m2 divided by 4 times 70% (albedo) – a disk with that loses no energy though the side not facing the sun. By the time one considers all of the caveats, the 33 degK difference has lost all meaning FOR ME. (others may disagree.)

david(swuk)
April 20, 2014 3:43 pm

Frank says:
April 20, 2014 at 1:12 pm
I disagree with Lacis
so why not then condemn K-T which builds from it?

joeldshore
April 20, 2014 4:44 pm

Frank,
In this regard, figure 4 of Manabe and Strickler 1964 is very interesting. It shows the effect of convection on the temperature profile. The profile with 6.5 ° C / km is empirical and corresponds to present equilibrium. Increased GHG decreases the part of radiative cooling and then straightens the curve. This behavior is incompatible with the notion of GHG forcing which involves a fixed gradient.
http://climatephys.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/manabe_strickler.jpg

I have no clue how you get from that diagram by Manabe and Stricter to your incoherent ramblings that leads you to conclude “this behavior is incompatible with the notion of GHG forcing which involves a fixed gradient.”. There is nothing in that diagram that even addresses what happens as GHGs are increased.

Measurement, yes. Measurement but also confusion inspire this diagram. There are no justification for the distinction of two opposite radiative fluxes, it’s even a thermodynamic nonsense.

Not nonsense at all. It is perfectly reasonable, and in fact, perfectly measurable.

This weakness is not anecdotal, it lies at the center of the official theory. This is because climatologists consider back radiation as an independent source of energy that they fail miserably in the forecast of the current climate evolution.

This is utter nonsense (and hence it is not surprising that Stephen Wilde endorses it). Whether or not you consider things in terms of forward and back-radiation, or the net result, you draw the same correct comclusions that climatologists have drawn and you have failed to understand.

joeldshore
April 20, 2014 4:49 pm

Frank says:

By the time one considers all of the caveats, the 33 degK difference has lost all meaning FOR ME. (others may disagree.)

I would disagree somewhat. I think it is useful to sometimes separate different physical effects and I think it is reasonable to say that the physical effect of the greenhouse effect in the present atmosphere is to make the Earth’s temperature 33 K warmer at the surface than it ought to be given its albedo and hence how much solar energy is absorbed by the Earth / atmosphere system.
But, I do agree that it is hard to describe a realistic “experiment” for measuring it, since for example, taking water vapor out of the atmosphere does a lot more than just affect the greenhouse effect.

phi
April 21, 2014 12:53 am

joeldshore,
This backradiations issue is rather funny, it disturbs greatly those who are interested.
The graph of Manabe shows very well the difference between temperature profiles. We go from the one corresponding to a purely radiative model to the empirical case by increasing the ratio convective / radiative heat flow. This is exactly what happens when GHG increases. I grant you that it may seem somewhat paradoxical.
“Not nonsense at all. It is perfectly reasonable, and in fact, perfectly measurable.”
Backradiations are measurable but they have no independent thermodynamic existence. This is exactly the same problem with backconduction. Try to build an effective theory based on independent backconduction !
“This is utter nonsense (and hence it is not surprising that Stephen Wilde endorses it).”
Stephen Wilde noted this : “Why not highlight back convection in the same time ?”
In my opinion, he only extends the error of Trenberth (and yours). As you enter independent backradiations in a thermodynamic system, it could makes sense to continue with backconvection and backconduction.
“Whether or not you consider things in terms of forward and back-radiation, or the net result, you draw the same correct comclusions that climatologists have drawn and you have failed to understand.”
No, this is not the same thing and that’s what I try to explain. Independent backradiations allow the concept of GHG forcing, postulate that there is no change in the ratio convection / radiation, that there is no change in gradient. All things contrary to sound thermodynamic which teaches that there is no independence between emission and absorption, that a reduction of a flow changes the flows ratios, that a structural modification of a body (increase of GHG) not equate a power source (forcing), that a change of fluxes ratio corresponds to a change in the gradient.

david(swuk)
April 21, 2014 1:34 am

So it is clear from what JLDS continues to pronounce that they the Warmists no longer give a proverbial about K-T valuing SIR brought downwards radiation as “Bach Radiation” (eh “still transparent” Willis)
as it only adds beef to their balls about what is largely inconsequential LW reflection let alone try to accurately value the full effects of the convection and conduction that would still reign strong in the absence of GHG`s but, despite that absence, still not prevent the temperature rising rather more than the 33degC for which The Warmists cite them responsible.

April 21, 2014 12:00 pm

The sole issue is as to how energy is retained at the surface so as to increase surface temperature above that predicted by the S-B equation.
The S-B equation is based solely on radiation arriving at and departing from a sold surface.
If there is a gaseous atmosphere above that solid surface then the S-B equation is not applicable.
Instead, one must apply the Gas Laws.
In the presence of a gaseous atmosphere conduction results in convection and convection converts kinetic energy (which radiates IR) to gravitational potential energy (which does not radiate IR).
As long as energy is in the form of gravitational potential energy it cannot contribute to the radiation exchange between surface and atmosphere or surface and space.
Only when that energy returns to kinetic energy can it once again contribute to the energy exchange between surface and atmosphere and surface and space
The surface temperature rise above the S-B prediction is determined by how much of the available energy is converted to gravitational potential energy (a matter of atmospheric mass) and how long it is converted to gravitational potential energy ( a matter of the strength of the gravitational field).
That is all there is to it.
For Earth, the mass of the atmosphere and the strength of the gravitational field means that the delay in throughput of solar energy requires a surface temperature enhancement of 33k.
GHGs only affect the global atmospheric circulation and not the surface temperature because any delay in energy transmission caused by their radiative capability is immediately offset by a change in the convective circulation of the atmosphere as a whole.

joeldshore
April 21, 2014 5:34 pm

phi says:

The graph of Manabe shows very well the difference between temperature profiles. We go from the one corresponding to a purely radiative model to the empirical case by increasing the ratio convective / radiative heat flow. This is exactly what happens when GHG increases. I grant you that it may seem somewhat paradoxical.

The purely radiative model is a singular case. As long as you allow some convection (and perhaps are not in some weird limit of an extremely tenuous gas), then the steep lapse rate shown in that case will be unstable to convection and driven down to some compromise of the saturated and dry adiabatic lapse rates.
To a not-unreasonable approximation, the environmental lapse rate will remain about the same with increasing GHGs. To a better approximation, it will decrease a little bit because the lapse rate is close to the saturated adiabatic lapse rate in the tropics and that lapse rate decreases (in magnitude) wth increasing surface temperature.

Independent backradiations allow the concept of GHG forcing, postulate that there is no change in the ratio convection / radiation, that there is no change in gradient.

No…They postulate that there is a negative lapse rate feedback, i.e., a slight decrease in the gradient.
Your use of Manabe to try to dispute that is very far off the mark.

phi
April 21, 2014 11:48 pm

joeldshore,
“The purely radiative model is a singular case.”
The term limit case seems to me more appropriate.
“…be unstable to convection and driven down to some compromise of the saturated and dry adiabatic lapse rates.”
We find again the simplification which is not admissible in this case. The phenomenon is not adiabatic and the result is actually “some compromise” of the saturated and dry lapse rates.
“No…They postulate that there is a negative lapse rate feedback, i.e., a slight decrease in the gradient.”
This effect, which is taken into account, highlight the inconsistency of the quantitive theory. Profile modification fundamentally affects the value of the so called forcing, so of the initial effect in W/m2.

gbaikie
April 22, 2014 12:46 am

–That is all there is to it.
For Earth, the mass of the atmosphere and the strength of the gravitational field means that the delay in throughput of solar energy requires a surface temperature enhancement of 33k.–
I think you only talking about one way to store the energy of sunlight converted into heat.
And more significant means of storing the energy is the Earth’s oceans.
Or atmosphere is days and ocean is decades. GHG are seconds,
And land also stores heat from sunlight.
Now the keep a greenhouse warmer at night you put water containers of water in the greenhouse.
Google: water, greenhouse stay warmer.
It’s the same thing with planet Earth, which has vast oceans covering 70% of the planet.
Or the 168 watts of diagram above has to have a high percentage of this absorbed energy being absorbed by ocean. Simply because ocean is most of Earth surface- and somewhere around 80%
of tropical region of Earth. But next is question which absorbs more energy per square meter or square km- ocean or land. And related to this question is where does ocean or land absorb most amount of the Sun energy. By where i mean in first 1 cm? Or 2 cm to 10 cm. Or 11 cm to 1 meter
Or 1 to 100 meters. So during one day of sunlight where is most of sun’s 168 watts of energy being converted to heat?
Does a square meter of land or ocean absorb more. And where does it store it.
So a difference between land and water, is warm water rises. And dirt or rock doesn’t convect heat- it conducts it. But my question of where is when it’s first absorbed by sunlight and converted into heat. After this one one get to part of heat being conducted and/or convected away from such locations.

April 22, 2014 1:08 am

“I think you only talking about one way to store the energy of sunlight converted into heat.
A more significant means of storing the energy is the Earth’s oceans.”
I agree but energy stored in the oceans eventually gets transferred to the atmosphere by conduction and convection.
The Earth’s oceans should be treated as part of the ‘atmosphere’ but in the end their temperature is limited by the weight of the mass of the atmosphere on the surface which affects evaporation rates and the value of the latent heat of vaporisation.

gbaikie
April 22, 2014 3:54 am

— Stephen Wilde says:
April 22, 2014 at 1:08 am
“I think you only talking about one way to store the energy of sunlight converted into heat.
A more significant means of storing the energy is the Earth’s oceans.”
I agree but energy stored in the oceans eventually gets transferred to the atmosphere by conduction and convection.–
The Moon is much hotter than Earth. But Moon’s average temperature is much colder than Earth.
Or the Moon has very little of what you call “greenhouse effect”. Though since it’s atmosphere is basically non-existent, some would say no “greenhouse effect”.
If you had different moon cooler in day by 5 C, but warmer at night, by say 50 C, then that moon is warmer- it has warmer average temperature. One might called a greenhouse effect or something similar to greenhouse effect or whatever, but it is warmer as Earth is warmer than the Moon. So not higher temperature or hotter but higher average temperature.
So retaining heat is all the warming we talking about in terms of greenhouse the supportive +33 C
than Earth should be without GHE.
It matter how long the heat is stored and it matter where the heat goes. So everyone knows Europe is warmer because ocean currents bring tropical heat up to Europe.
Though of course the heat does not hide until it gets to Europe, so one should keep in mind the Gulf Stream is not just limited to warming the dinky place called Europe. And other oceanic warming occurring in the world. But if we just focus on Europe, obviously without the warm ocean is not warming that a part of the world and which without such heat, it would be cooler, and therefore the average global temperature would be somewhat colder. Europe freezing their butts off would have some effect upon global average temperature. So this only occurs because the heat is stored and moved.
To my question, most of heat absorbed by Earth, is being absorbed 1 to 100 meters under the surface of the ocean. Or if 1000 watts per square meter is shining on the ocean in clear sky at noon, more than 900 watts sunlight is travel beyond 1 meter in depth. And you have a choice, this energy is being absorbed, or the 168 watts number is wrong.
So with ocean most of the sunlight is not being absorbed by the surface, whereas with sandy desert, all of it being absorb in first 1 cm.
With a tropical ocean one has fairly consistent temperature, and every 1 cm of the 1 meter to 100 meter depth will only absorb small amount of heat and water has high heat capacity.
So 1 cm by 1 meter by 1 meter is 10,000 cubic centimeter water which is 10 kg of water.
And it takes 4183 joule seconds or watts to warm 1 kg of water by 1 C. So times this by 10.
and it takes 41830 watts seconds to heat by 1 C and say it’s getting 1 watt a second of the + 900 watts per second. So that’s 41830 seconds [or 11.6 hours to warm by 1 C]. So in one day it does not warm by much, and since it does get very warm is does convect much heat, and water is lousy at conducting heat.

david(swuk)
April 22, 2014 3:02 pm

gbaikie says:
April 22, 2014 at 3:54 am
“……………So 1 cm by 1 meter by 1 meter is 10,000 cubic centimeter water which is 10 kg of water.
And it takes 4183 joule seconds or watts to warm 1 kg of water by 1 C. So times this by 10.
and it takes 41830 watts seconds to heat by 1 C and say it’s getting 1 watt a second of the + 900 watts per second. So that’s 41830 seconds [or 11.6 hours to warm by 1 C]. So in one day it does not warm by much, and since it does get very warm is does convect much heat, and water is lousy at conducting heat.”
Water (like air) is only near transparent to Solar Radiationin the visible spectrum and much of our Ocean is both turbid and roughened by wind and so far more absorbent of Solar energy than you calculate I would think. UV and IR account for near half of the solar energy received at the surface and so Tropical Waters could heat by 1degC in far less than half the time you calculate but more superficially through turbidity and absorbtion.

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