Apparently, being uncertain about climate certainty is a crime worth jail time
What a week this has been. In preparation for the release of the IPCC Working Group II report, hate speech against climate skeptics seems to have ramped up and turned into a week-long unreality show. The proprietors and cheerleaders of the Climate Certainty Channel™ seem to be ever more sure of impending doom caused by (take your pick) global warming – climate change – climate disruption. Here is a summary of the feature programs this past week.
First, priming the pump, just about two weeks ago, we started out with this: Despicable climate ugliness courtesy of Lawrence Torcello – assistant professor of philosophy at Rochester Institute of Technology where he rationalized for climate “deniers” to be jailed.
Monckton followed up with a letter: Monckton’s letter to the Rochester Institute of Technology regarding Assistant Professor Lawrence Torcello
Of course, according to the David Suzuki funded Hoggan PR firm “DeSmog Blog” we are all just a bunch of angry lunatic fringe types for suggesting we take an exception to being jailed…that, and they say we completely misread the intent of Torcello’s essay, which is somehow philosophical: Exclusive: Climate Change Philosopher A Target Of Abusive Hate Campaign:
Under the headline “US Philosophy Professor: Jail ‘Denialist’ Climate Scientists For Criminal Negligence“ Delingpole wrote Torcello had argued “scientists who don’t believe in catastrophic man-made global warming should be put in prison”.
“This was a blatant misrepresentation of my article,” says Torcello
Then on March 19th, it was Anders and his wottsupwiththat spawn blog now changed to andthentheresphysics blog (which is a change in name only), he still allows hate speech: Quote of the Week – get your war crimes trial tickets now!
Apparently, I’m to be “frog marched” to The Hague for war crimes like trials all for having the temerity to have an opinion about not wanting to be jailed for having a skeptical opinion about climate.
Meanwhile, back at Bar-X Hate Ranch, another fan of the Climate Certainty Channel™ embraces Torcello’s essay, and decides to turn the volume up to 11:
In “Arrest Climate Change Deniers,” Gawker writer Adam Weinstein has such gems as:
This is an argument that’s just being discussed seriously in some circles. It was laid out earlier this month, with all the appropriate caveats, by Lawrence Torcello, a philosophy professor at the Rochester Institute of Technology.
“…with all the appropriate caveats,” Well, that makes it OK then! /sarc He adds:
We have laws on the books to punish anyone whose lies contribute to people’s deaths. It’s time to punish the climate-change liars. . .
Those denialists should face jail. They should face fines. They should face lawsuits from the classes of people whose lives and livelihoods are most threatened by denialist tactics. . . Those people are criminally negligent.
So far, not a peep from the standard bearers of climate morals at DeSmog or “andthentheresphyics” about Weinstein taking Torcello’s idea and running with it.
Some reactions to Adam Weinstein’s call for jail time:
Climatistas Double Down on Stupid (Powerline)
Another Fool Calls For My Arrest: Or, Adam Weinstein Slips A Nut (William Briggs)
But wait, it gets better, the clergy steps in and provides their sanction, but just not the one we expect:
Rowan Williams warns of climate catastrophe
The former Archbishop of Canterbury argues that Western lifestyles bear the responsibility for causing climate change in world’s poorest regions
While the “chaos [of the flood] came as a shock to many”, other countries in the developing world such as Bangladesh and Kenya among others had suffered far worse catastrophes caused by climate change over many years.
Dr Williams goes on to attack global warming sceptics and climate change deniers. “There are of course some who doubt the role of human agency in creating and responding to climate change, and who argue that we should direct our efforts solely to adapting to changes that are inevitable, rather than modifying our behaviour,” says Dr Williams.
A clergyman OK with the Telegraph using the hateful term “deniers”? oof!
In other hate-related news, the left went ballistic on Nate Silver for allowing Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. to write. Fabius Maximus has a summary
The Left stages a two minute hate on Nate Silver, Roger Pielke Jr (& me)
Summary: This week many on the Left served a banquet of snark on Nate Silver and his new 538 website for the sin of posting an article by Roger Pielke Jr (Prof Environmental Studies, U CO-Boulder). An article well-supported in the climate studies literature, and consistent with the work of the IPCC (they conceal these things from their followers; least they ruin the narrative). These posts demonstrate the ineffectual tactics that have drained away the Left’s support during the past 3 decades, and after 25 years of work produced no gains in their highest-profile public policy initiative. See other posts in this series, listed below.
It seems the left was arguing more about the fact that Pielke was allowed a place to speak, than what he planned to write about climate at http://fivethirtyeight.com/ It reminded me of the uproar over my interview on PBS News Hour, where they went ballistic because I had somehow violated their perceived inner sanctum, not so much because of what I said.
Predictably, editor Nate Silver caved to pressure, and he’s now back in the good graces of the proprietors of the Climate Certainty Channel™.
And, the Anti-Defamation League is still silent:
The silence of the Anti Defamation League suggests they endorse defamation of climate skeptics
So while we wait for the next IPCC report to come out, let’s consider climate certainty and uncertainty. This graph sums it up nicely.
The boxes represent the statements of certainty from IPCC reports over time. As reality (measurements) diverge from models, becoming more uncertain, the certainty of the IPCC gets stronger, and the hateful rhetoric ramps up to match the mean.
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@DirkH
If you talked out of your arse like Williams is well renowned for on any number of subjects he knows nothing about and the Westboro Church members have an official policy of, then yes I would also ignore your opinion. It has nothing to do with religion, it’s all down to talking crap. There is nothing wrong in making the world simpler in that respect.
It feels like the days leading to Kristallnacht.
“And, the Anti-Defamation League is still silent” – There was siilence by those who should have known better during McCarthyism.
Khwarizmi says:
March 30, 2014 at 2:32 pm
TomJ,
According to every U.S. intelligence agency, Iran isn’t trying to build nuclear weapons.
So why are you catapulting NeoCon propaganda to the contrary?
Israel has 100s of nukes—and unlike moderate and tolerant Iran—refuses, to sign the nuclear non proliferation treaty or permit inspections.
Remember the U.S.S. Liberty.
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Yup, it is hate week all right. The loons come out of the woodwork citing Iran as “moderate and tolerant” and trying to pass off an incident that happened during a war 40+ years ago that both governments understand was a mistake as being relevant.
If you’re going to “remember” something how about remembering the girls in Iran who are executed for crimes like “being alone with a boy” but, since it is against the law to execute a virgin, are first raped by prison guards so that the execution is OK by Iranian law.
I’ve got a few hundred other things you ought perhaps to “remember” but that should be sufficient to get your pee sized brain functioning for the moment.
The ignorance, silliness, arrogance and dishonor of naming a website “climate certainty” are beyond hope of any adequate adjectives.
There is a reason for their increasing franticness, though–they are getting absolutely nowhere in persuading us. Their yowls about “don’t you believe the scientists?” runs up against the fact that WE are the scientists, plus our exposes on the fiddled-with surveys, their hokey stick has been debunked, their physics is incomplete, and perhaps worst of all, Mother Nature is currently making a mockery of all their predictions (see graph in the article). The subject is life-and-death. When you get nowhere on a subject of life-and-death, you start to scream.
There is a second reason for their energetic fury–the climate IS changing in ways that threaten human welfare. CO2 is not the source–draining our aquifers and poisoning the ground threaten our food supplies and the well-being of wildlife. I think their understanding can be shifted. With an understanding of what is really going on, they can start to create worldwide changes and take lovely before-and-after photos of deserts they have greened.
A third reason for alarmist screaming is taxes. The whole scam is an effort to get more money from a carbon tax, thus enriching Algore and climate “researchers.” This effort s failing mostly because the Public is utterly tapped out and has no more to give. Part of the reason for that is the greenie attack on all energy sources.
Handling the farming disasters is doable, allows world GDP to rise, enabling an actual increase in taxes, and lots of real profits, money for improved environmental care (the real thing), and above all–it is much more fun.
Hi Anthony,
I agree with commenter WTF (March 30, 1:45 pm): The truth is winning.
What we are witnessing is the total collapse of the global warming movement. People at the centre of the echo-chamber (no debate-zone) are aware that the climate war is lost but are unwilling and unable to admit their defeat, hence the extra shouting, blaming, name-calling and threats. Their income, reputation and lifestyle are on the brink of destruction.
The MSM may still be largely on their side, so they still get a podium, but the truth is winning. The tide is turning. No-one actually listens or takes them serious anymore. Thanks to you and other high-profile skeptics and bloggers the debate has continued and their theory has been thoroughly discredited.
Just keep hitting back with the facts. Victory is near!
Kind regards,
Scarface
The more extreme they become, the more skepticism will take hold.
Nobody likes ranting Harpies.
Robert in Calgary;
As I told you a few weeks ago, Socialism and CAGW are joined at the hip.
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So ate Captialism and CAGW. Why do you think that the MSM is so pro CAGW? Because they are socialists? Nonsense, they are for profit businesses just like any other business. How do they generate revenue? Advertising. Who spends the bulk of the money with them on advertising? Do you think it is researchers at universities? Seriously? Follow the money. CAGW has dug its roots deep into private enterprise, creating an unholy alliance of capitalists, academics and socialists.
You want to win this debate? Then embrace one of the best science minds in this debate, and understand that when he objects to the characterization of socialism, it is not without merit, just as capitalism is not without guilt.
You live in arguably one of the most socialized countries in the free world. Arguably one of the best countries on the planet to live in as well.
Politics and science are not a single shade of gray.
Their precious ‘models’ are diverging more strongly from real facts and data. As the divergence grows they become more certain. When the climate no longer does their bidding, they are driven from facts, to use ad hominems, baseless accusations,and hysteria.
The screams and hysterical rage of the “Ture Believers” speak more loudly than anything, that their end is near.
“WTF says:
March 30, 2014 at 1:45 pm
Not one of Canada’s major newspapers had a front page story regarding Earth Hour today, at least online (I don’t support them by buying their rags). You had to really search hard to even find mention of it at all. Except for The Sun which used Earth Hour to run articles against it. The truth is winning.”
Interesting, The Sun having an article about Earth Hour (with articles against it)….looks like the Sun (Sol) is cooling in its attitude towards the Earth…(sorry…)
Also, DDT and the Freon (diclordifluormethane) hoaxes have caused no end of problems, in particular in warmer lands. Looking back, I think think that “Silent Spring” was a dry run for the
CAGW drivel we’re seeing nowadays….geesh…
It’s especially irritating (heck, frightening) to see a sticker on my FREEZER, of all things, saying
explosion danger !!! I forget which refrigerant is being used (R500? R600?) (have to wonder about how many failures there were between R12 (Freon) R134a (?) and R600…..), but the thought of the formerly flash-frozen contents of my freezer sublimating (flashing?) into instantly cooked (and probably charred) food due to the REFRIGERANT exploding is horrifying…
Daimler-Benz recently spent a lot of time, effort, and toasted cars showing that the latest folly of the EU’s unelected overlords was terribly unsafe (a fire in an auto with the proposed refrigerant would produce Hydrogen Fluoride, among other hazmat-type products). Same hysteria as CAGW, with no “earlier data” to substantiate the claims….
davidmhoffer,
Richard isn’t going to get his way here. That’s the basic point.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you….I guess we’re at stage three now!
Robert in Calgary;
Robert in Calgary says:
March 30, 2014 at 3:17 pm
davidmhoffer,
Richard isn’t going to get his way here. That’s the basic point.
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Then you misunderstood mine. You can learn a lot about both science and socialism and the roots of the CAGW meme if you listen to him with an open mind instead of rejecting and attacking him out of hand. Don’t make the same mistake about Richard and socialism that the CAGW cheer leaders have made about the science.
For the record, I am not a socialist.
Yes, this is the level of ‘climate change science’, childish, pathetic and sad. Real investigative journalism is dead and ‘science’ is now whatever the latest social fad says.
Well, if someone comes for you, smash his teeth down his throat.
When alarmists respond to presentation of observed data and facts by skeptics and name-calling, they are confessing that they have lost the argument, and further demonstrating this insofar as the only “evidence” they have to refute the skeptic case is the epithets they utter.
As for the threats to punish skeptics, these may well be characterized not only as hate speech, but criminal acts of conspiracy to violate the civil rights of skeptics. There are some very tough laws against intimidating or threatening to harm people for exercising their free speech rights, and skeptics should resort to them if presented with these sorts of threats, Conspiracy should be very easy to prove amongst the extreme alarmists, given the volume of chatter among them.
A Geography (climate change) teacher friend of mine tells me he no longer does Al Gore’s ‘An Inconvenient Truth’ in the classroom, now it’s ‘The Day After Tomorrow’.
Khwarizmi says:
March 30, 2014 at 2:32 pm
“According to every U.S. intelligence agency, Iran isn’t trying to build nuclear weapons.”
How would you know what the US intel agencies really know? Misinformation is used frequently to keep enemies guessing. The first rule of intelligence is never let them know what you know.
“Israel has 100s of nukes—and unlike moderate and tolerant Iran—refuses, to sign the nuclear non proliferation treaty or permit inspections.”
Yet they have never, ever used them against any Arab nation or peoples, Israel does not advocate their destruction, unlike Iran who has an official policy to destroy Israel and states that policy often. Always remember this: If the Arab nations disarmed, Israel would live in peace with them. If Israel disarmed the Arab nations would wipe them out. Who is really the tolerant one?
In a scientific debate, when one side starts demanding that the other side be forcibly silenced by the state we can reasonably state that they know that they do not have the facts on their side. You might say that this is a political debate and not really science … and I would agree … but the same thing holds for politics too.
The alarmists have been beaten, but it was not Watts or anyone else. It was mother nature what done it! All we had to do was keep pointing out the facts.
Adam Weinstein calls for collective based social force against a person who disagrees with his thinking.
We’ve seen this before in every collectivist ideology where a group’s thoughts are placed morally above independent individual thoughts. The socialized mode of implementing the collective by force will be the result. Socialized force against individual thought is not a benign process and festers into hate.
John
Khwarizmi
March 30, 2014 at 2:32 pm
says:
‘TomJ,
According to every U.S. intelligence agency, Iran isn’t trying to build nuclear weapons.’
You wouldn’t happen to be talking about the same US intelligence agencies that said Putin was only massing his troops outside Crimea, not because they had any intention of going in, but because, well, who knows? Moreover, do you know precisely how many intelligence agencies there are in the US ’cause if you don’t you can’t possibly claim that “every” one of them claims Iran isn’t trying to build nukes. I don’t think even the intelligence agencies know how many intelligence agencies there are. Here’s a partial list: CIA, FBI, Dept of State, Dept of Treasury, DOE, NSA, Naval Intelligence, Air Force Intelligence, Army Intelligence… Now, don’t for a second expect me to believe they all agree.
You don’t know very much about the US do you?
Now, I’ll admit I don’t know much about Iran. I do know that Barack Obama’s most trusted advisor, Valerie Jarrett, was born there. So, that’s at least one thing I know about “moderate and tolerant Iran” that you probably don’t. One thing I’m curious about, though, is why no one can seem to find a gay bar, hell, any kinda’ bar in tolerant Teheran, and why do they execute prostitutes? Seems a little harsh to me.
Also in the unbelievable nonsense column.
According to CNN, a Boeing 777 Jumbo jet has trouble maintaining its altitude, without fuel in its tanks !
Who would have guessed.
I have to disagree that skeptics have won the debate because of the current pause. Soon the temperature will change. It will go down or it will go up, but it won’t stay the same for long. If it goes up alarmist will say the debate is over and we’ve wasted enough time. If it goes down, no problem…alarmist will point out we need to act now. We can’t wait for rising temps to convince everyone. Too much at stake.
Why in today’s paper, in the Earthweek section, we learn that “the head of the UN’s weather agency says that global warming has not stoped and will continue for at least centuries due to the burning of fossil fuels by humans. Michel Jarraud made the pronouncement as he presented the World Meteorological Organization’s annual review of the world’s climate. The report concludes that last year tied with 2007 as the sixth hottest since reliable records began over 150 years ago. It also says that 13 of the 14 warmest years on record have occurred in this century…The laws of physics are non-negotiable, Jarraud told a news conference.” Nuff said.
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On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Watts Up With That? wrote:
> george e. smith commented: “Also in the unbelievable nonsense column. > According to CNN, a Boeing 777 Jumbo jet has trouble maintaining its > altitude, without fuel in its tanks ! Who would have guessed.” >
[snip – fake email address: me@hotmali.com and a GHG rant likely from Doug Cotton based on word analysis and ip location – mod]
@ladylifegrows, You touched on a very real thing regarding water depletion. One fact is that the water level of some of the Great Lakes (upstream of the River St Claire) have shown a marked lowering in the past decade or so, this of course blamed on CAGW , desertification of the great lakes vast watershed, alas, though there has been dry spells regionally, it was not concomitant with the actual water loss. What was discovered a few years ago was that the River St Claire was in fact dredged to make the Sea Way (aka St. Lawrence River Sea Way) wider and deeper so that bigger ships and barges could navigate the passages. There was a study (I am sure can be googled) that describes the increased outflow of the River St Claire to be vastly more than the engineers calculated, as the after effect of the said dredging acted as a venturie , speeding up the river and thus self dredging the channel deeper and wider after all the equipment was gone. All this extra water flowing over Niagra Falls and to the sea eventually. Result, Lake Michigan some ten plus feet lower. I think there has been some mitigation work done to slow the erosion but I am not certain.
Another claim is that rain is falling with greater amounts faster than in the past, that silt is invading the NYC water supplies at increasing rates due to increased storm intensity. So the claim is increased CO2 in the atmosphere leads to both desertification and intensified rains. Granted the hurricanes Irene and Sandy and the few other ones that impacted my region certainly caused troubles, yet there was and always will be very large tropical storms running up the coast. I used to listen to old timers talk about the flood of 1955, or the hurricanes of the 1930’s or the Catskills getting 30 ft of snow in a winter. If anything we have been blessed this last century with remarkably stable weather all things considered. I like you comment, Right on.
Likely scenerio:
There is likely an El-Nino coming.
This will cause temporary warming.
The warmists will scream “see, the warming was just hiding!”
“So we must DO something or we are all gonna DIIIIIE!”
“And anyone who speaks out against that is EEEEEEVIL!”
And then they will make a quick grab for power, try to get it before the warmth goes away, which it will.
If they succeed in getting enough power, they will then start acting on these pronouncements.
You will know that when this website suddently dissapears.
This is possible because our “if you like your health care plan…” president is trying to “fix” the non broken internet by transferring power over it to an international group.
For what an international group would be like, see the UN, and it’s IPCC.
If they fail to do that, the cold will return, and with both the Pacific and Atlantic in “cold phase”, colder than ever.
They will then lose.
They know this.
Given:
“All true socialists oppose tyranny… .” Richard Courtney, 1:38pm, today.
Conclusion:
Then “all true socialists” are ignorant, emotionally blinded, dupes of those who cynically use them.
Such a naive remark reveals an astonishing ignorance of:
1. Historical record: See the carefully controlled, highly planned, real life, experiments in socialism (i.e., the government instead of the free market controlling the economy) in: China, Russia, Cuba, Zimbabwe, for instance. The British Commonwealth’s and the United States’ experiments have been prevented from running their full course. It is pure cultural arrogance to assume that the end result would be any different were the forces of Liberty to step back and let the English-speaking world’s experiments progress to their conclusion.
2. Evidence from experts on socialism such as: Friedrich Hayek and Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
3. Evidence from thousands of eyewitnesses to real world socialism’s
inevitable result: tyranny
(See movie “The Killing Fields” for one documentary example; or go to any Cuban-American or Ukrainian-American community and talk to hundreds of people who will tell you what socialism is really all about.).
4. And, since R.C. has often characterized himself as a “Christian socialist,”
the Bible. Socialism is a direct contradiction of God’s clear mandate against coerced charity and of other free market principles supported by the Bible. See, e.g.,
1) Matthew 20:13-15: (1) Liberty of contract (“didn’t you agree?”); (2) Private property (“do what I like with my money”); and (3) Envy = root of Socialist theory (“are you envious…?”); and
2) II. Corinthians 9:7 “Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.”
SOCIALISM (LIKE AGW) IS NOT ABOUT CHARITY (OR SCIENCE),
SOCIALISM AND AGW ARE ABOUT: CONTROL.
This is Socialism
In the end, socialism must be enforced out of the barrel of a gun.
THE FUTURE LOOKS BRIGHT, however, for, as long as we have heroes like An-tho-ny Watts and Christopher Monckton and truth tellers like Robert in Calgary and davidmhoffer speaking out and standing firm for free markets and Liberty and true science,
TRUTH — WILL — WIN!
(and it is!)
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A commenter above whom I admire in all other respects asserted a false moral equivalency above which I address here:
Den1ers of the historical fact of the Nah-z1 ho1ocaust
ARE NOT THE MORAL EQUIVALENT OF
Den1ers of the science l1es of Environah-z1sm.
Gunga Din had it right. (at 10:50am today) Those who would falsely label truth-in-science people with the same label (“den1er”) accurately given to those who deny the fact of the Ho1ocaust are now advocating treating the truth tellers about science NOT like those in Germany whose freedom of speech to deny the fact of the Ho1ocaust is restricted, but, like the VICTIMS, the Jews, et. al., of that Ho1ocaust.