UPDATE: Bill McKibben doesn’t seem to want to address the question. See below.
Earlier today, 350.org’s founder Bill McKibben tweeted this:
[Source: http://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/442052998324551680 ]
Tom Nelson asked about those boxes and the environmental impact to which I replied:
[Source: http://twitter.com/wattsupwiththat/status/442055366595977216 ]
And sure enough, here’s a picture of those boxes full of comments delivered today by Bill’s claimed “100 people” from NRDC, 350.org, Sierra Club, Friends of the Earth. League of Conservation voters, and many other environmental organizations:
![Comment%20boxes%20from%20KXL%20NID%20Delivery%20Credit%20Rocky%20Kistner%20NRDC-thumb-500x375-14923[1]](http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/comment20boxes20from20kxl20nid20delivery20credit20rocky20kistner20nrdc-thumb-500x375-149231.jpg?quality=83)
Source, NRDC news website. Credit Rocky Kistner NRDC Note some boxes don’t have labels. more on that below.
I made up a humorous comparison photo that speaks to the photo op issue:
But having finished that, I decided to look around a bit more for news, to see if there was a complete list of organizations involved and maybe an actual number of petitions. I found this video shot today of the march to deliver these described by Bill McKibben.
With 18 minutes to go, over 2 million anti-kxl comments into State Dept. Took 100 people to carry the boxes over. Amazing work by all!
(BTW: Note the banner says 1.5 million, in the news article, they say that another half million comments were added at the last minute, and the banner had already been printed)
And watching that video, I noticed something very odd at the 27 second mark, note the arrows:
Either those gnarly looking protestors are endowed with near superhuman wrist strength, or those boxes are empty.
It makes me wonder how many petitions they really delivered, and how many boxes were empty, but brought along just for the photo op.
Who knows with these clowns? So much for Bill’s required 100 people.
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UPDATE: 3/8 10AM PST
No response from Bill since this post went up last night.
@billmckibben Hey Bill any comment on those "2million" KXL comments delivered in empty boxes? http://t.co/wnz0PlgKjQ
— Watts Up With That (@wattsupwiththat) March 8, 2014
Readers that have Twitter accounts might want to ask him as well.
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The true measure of this “movement” is that they could only muster 100 people for this pathetic demo.
Supermarket packaging is recycled in some jurisdictions. Will McKibben ensure these time served remnants of trees are given a decent burial?
Looks like superhuman wrist strength at first glance, impressive!
Mckibbn what a tosser he is.Two million sheets of paper heading stright to state departments sh#*houses where they belong.
Maybe someone in the States could ask the State Department how many were delivered?
Some math on the weigth:
assuming one email per page, I have 2000000 sheets. For A4 paper, this means 4000 packages of 500 sheets. One package weighs 2.3 kg. Total of 9200 kg. 24 boxes comes to 383 kg/box. That explains the 100 people for 24 boxes, you need 4 people to carry one box.
These cardboard boxes must be super (nano?) material to be able to hold so much weight, be stackable up 5 high and still do not collapse, even with a poorly seated lid? (row 2, second box from the right). If you ly, try to do it convincingly.
Amazing stuff.
/sarc off
Who helps fund Bill McKibben’s ‘efforts’? A big oil and coal investor.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/03/05/bob-wards-rat-snake-ploy/#comment-1584016
Bill McKibben has said in the past for environmentalists to try and use the web and teleconferencing more, but just can’t resist writing tree killing books and flying! It’s all in the name of getting our co2 back to the safe level of 350ppm.
Don’t you just love your eco-hypocrites.
The numbers don’t add up? Quickly, warn Obama. Whatever you do – leave the lids on. We cannot exclude it to be a premature April’s fool prank delivered on single-sheets of Cottonelle.
How many of those “100 people” got there by plane and petrol / diesel powered car for that matter?
forgive them for they no not what they are doing
Full bank boxes would rip if handled one handed like that. It’s an obvious fake. Even a single ream of paper held in that manner requires more than average strength to maintain a grip for longer than sixty seconds, yet they marched with them? Fail. Mega fail.
Low information voters accept unreliable proof of anything, CAGW being the perfect example.
One picture says more then a 1,000 words. No LIV reads WUWT or any other skeptical site.
Bill Mc Kibben is a cunning marketeer, laughing all the way to the bank.
Is the US the ONLY market for the tar sands oil? No. This whole thing is a waste of time, China and the rest of the Eastern nations are praying for the protests to succeed.
A closeup of the boxes:
http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/rkistner/IMG_2318.JPG
I don’t know if anyone has has felt the weight of those types of boxes when they are laden with paper. When we buy paper we buy boxes like this with 5x reams (500 sheets = 1 ream) .. so 2500 sheets per box and it is a struggle to lift one. If anyone doubts the weight, go to the shops and test it.
“Man Bearpig says:
March 8, 2014 at 1:24 am”
I know what 5 reams, at least, of 80gsm paper feels and looks like. I used to be an computer operator yonks ago, used to have to load up several IBM high capacity A4 page printers with at least 4 reams every day.
McKibben, you are a being economical with the truth, as usual!
The point about reams of paper is very relevant.
There are 24 boxes (5 reams of 500 sheets per box) – if you incorrectly assume they are all full, you get 24 x 5 x 2500 = 300,000.
So even if you take the worst possible case of 300,000 and then look at the claimed figure of 2,000,000, there is both a big disconnect with reality and a gross exaggeration of the facts.
So it is typical ‘climate science’ – nothing changes.
Maybe they used a thumbdrive after all, taped to the bottom of the only box that wasn’t empty?
Just Checked a few names..
Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Peter Gurney, Peter Davey, Dan’l Widden, Harry Hawk…..
Uncle Tom Cobbly?
How many environmentalists are needed to carry 24 empty boxes?
100, 24 to pose with the boxes, 24 to take the photograph and 52 to tweet about it.
You have got it wrong, it is not about photography.
Trees are actually evil, a pest thriving on CO2, disgusting mold on the face of Mother Gaia. They are outcompeting silken grasses, blinding cheetahs, use up precious freshwater resources while emitting huge amounts of dihydrogen monoxide, a potent greenhouse gas and decrease albedo, warming the planet further. Killing the bastards with mighty chainsaws, to turn them into raw material for petitions is the best way to sequester their filthy carbon.
The wide open space after them can be covered by brilliant white solar panels, with no electricity pollution going to wanton consumers whatsoever, while sequestering public money pollution safely in pockets of responsible individuals.
Any time you look into their activities deeply, you find dishonesty.
http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2014/02/28/a-climate-of-deception-deceit-lies-and-outright-dishonesty/
Pointman
Ah, don’t you fools know they are carrying all the missing heat in those “empty” boxes.
Once again the media is compliant in the scam.