UPDATE: 2/27 6:30AM PST It seems the person making the attack, Shelley Rose, is part of a climate activist group, see below.
UPDATE: 2/27 2:50PM PST, The ADL Atlanta website has deleted comments on the issue, and has closed the press release to further comments. See below.
Boy, this is ugly, and I hope this boils down to simply an error in judgement by a lower tier administrator because this is like some bizzaro-world episode; on one hand the Anti-Defamation League is coming down against the “…type of comparison diminishes and trivializes the Holocaust.“, while on another they are giving a “get out of jail free card” to the people who have repeatedly done that very thing over several years.
Two telephone calls and two emails today requesting comment from ADL’s Southeast Interim Regional Director Shelly Rose have gone unanswered. She’s aware of my calls. I asked for her directly, gave my name and affiliation, and after a pause on hold her assistant asked if it would be OK to “send you to voice mail”. Ms Rose did provide a copy of the press release below, after I queried the main organization in New York after receiving a tip about this release, but found no evidence of its existence on the ADL Press Center website. The press release below still isn’t on the website as of this writing at 6:15PM EST well after close of business there. All of my requests were done during normal business hours for both the Atlanta and NYC office.
I have to wonder if the main organization is endorsing this press release, or if this is some regional director who went rogue.
Here is the press release.
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Shelley Rose (404) 262-3470 work; 678-938-1399 cell
ADL Condemns Spencer’s Nazi Analogy
February 25, 2014, Atlanta, Georgia … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today denounced remarks by University of Alabama – Huntsville professor Roy Spencer who wrote on his blog that those who refer to him as a climate change “denier” should be called “global warming Nazis” and that they “are supporting policies that will kill far more people than the Nazis ever did — all in the name of what they consider to be a righteous cause.”
He also claims those who advocate for policies to slow global warming are “like the Nazis” in that they are fascist and anti-capitalist. The post is also accompanied by an image of a swastika.
Shelley Rose, ADL Southeast Interim Regional Director issued the following statement:
University of Alabama Professor Roy Spencer’s analogy of proponents of global warming to Nazis is outrageous and deeply offensive. This analogy is just the latest example of a troubling epidemic of comparisons to Hitler and the Holocaust.
It has become too common to use comparisons to the Holocaust and Nazi imagery to attack people with opposing views, whether the issue is global warming, immigration or stem-cell research.
The six million Jewish victims and millions of other victims of Hitler deserve better. Their deaths should not be used for political points or sloganeering. This type of comparison diminishes and trivializes the Holocaust. There is no place for it in civil discussions.
Shelley Rose |Interim Regional Director
Anti-Defamation League | 3490 Piedmont Road; Suite 610 | Atlanta, Georgia 30305
Phone: 404-262-3470 I Fax: 404-262-3548 I Cell: 678-938-1399 I srose@adl.org
ADL website I our blog I facebook I twitter I youtube I pinterest I google+ I linkedin
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I queried Ms Rose for a comment on the last paragraph, asking:
Wouldn’t that also apply to the use of “denier” to denigrate people, including Dr. Spencer. whose research has nothing to do with the holocaust or denial of it?
I also asked her to comment on the “green light” as a working title, asking if it was an accurate representation of their position. It was clear to me from the lack of response to two emails and two telephone calls was ” no comment”.
From their website, apparently slurs in major league football rate higher in concern than comparing climate skeptics to holocaust deniers for the purpose of denigration:
ADL Welcomes NFL’s Willingness to Address Hate Speech
The League welcomed reports that the NFL is considering how to discourage the use of offensive slurs during the course of games and said that “the question of how to address offensive speech and the best ways to counter it on playing fields and in locker rooms is an important conversation.”
And that’s why I think this is bizarre. The selective hypocrisy is stunning. I’m hoping the main office in New York will come to their senses and disavow the press release from the “Interim Regional Director”. Surely they must see the ugly conundrum they’ve manufactured for themselves.
Dr. Roy Spencer responds:
Hypocrisy at the Anti-Defamation League?
He asks exactly what I was thinking; where was ADL all these years when such ugly and hateful comparisons were being made:
Ms. Rose, where was your organization when journalists, politicians, and even some scientists, chose to call us skeptics “deniers”?
We don’t deny either “global warming” or “climate change”. Yet, we are called “deniers”. Ms. Rose, do you have any inkling why the term “denier” (which is a lie) might be used against us, rather than the term “skeptic” (which is accurate)? I think you know why.
I’d really like to know how ADL can turn a blind eye the use of “denier” for the purpose of denigration while at the same time calling out a victim of the denigration for fighting back after years of abuse.
There’s also a newspaper article about it:
UAH climate expert Roy Spencer calls critics ‘global warming Nazis’; Anti-Defamation League objects
http://blog.al.com/breaking/2014/02/uah_climate_expert_roy_spencer.html
UPDATE: The PR is now posted on the Atlanta ADL website here
http://atlanta.adl.org/news/adl-condemns-spencers-nazi-analogy/
Comments are allowed there. Be civil if you leave comments please.
The only thing that makes sense to me is that this person simply doesn’t know the history, and committed a terrible error in judgment.
UPDATE2: 2/27 6:30AM PST It seems the person making the attack, Shelly Rose, is part of a climate activist group, see photo and caption.
The caption reads:
Congregations Caring for the Climate – Atlanta, GA
Bill Witherspoon, from Congregation Bet Haverim writes: This was taken Friday evening before Erev Shabbat Services. We had about three times this many for services eventually, but these were the ones who arrived in time for the photo. As part of our second week of the Omer to Honor the Earth, Shelley Rose (third from right, just right of our Torah scrolls) gave the d’var (sermon) on acting with awareness that we all breathe the same air, and Tovah Melaver (second from right) led a breathing meditation.
April 13, 2007
Source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stepitup2007/464126698/
You can read all about this organization at http://stepitup2007.org
Of note is the list of “Friends and Allies” which reads like a who’s who in climate activism.
This whole episode makes a lot more sense now.
UPDATE3: 2/27 2:50PM PST, The ADL Atlanta website has deleted many comments on the issue, and has closed the press release to further comments. About an hour ago, I noted 90 comments were posted, now it is down to 50. See below.
Meanwhile I’ve drafted and sent a letter by email and by fax to ADL National Director, ABRAHAM H. FOXMAN asking if ADL plans to comment on the issue, and to ask id they plan to apply their condemnation equally, along with examples of what climate skeptics have been subjected to over the years. I think they simply have been caught unaware in a conundrum created by their Atlanta Interim Director.
I ask that if anyone makes communications with this organization, please be factual and respectful – Anthony
MSM are as much to blame as the CAGW zealots, by constanly using the various denier terms & failing to clarify that sceptics do not deny CLIMATE, CLIMATE CHANGE or even a degree of AGW. dr. spencer’s article is looking like a game-changer & MSM might regret their continuing use of the various denier terms, despite being asked politely to stop doing so many, many times.
in fact, MSM actually upped the ante – 16 instances of denial/deniers/denialism etc in this recent one…& that’s before u get to the comments!
19 Feb: NYT: Andrew C. Revkin: A Look at the ‘Shills,’ ‘Skeptics’ and ‘Hobbyists’ Lumped Together in Climate Denialism
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/19/a-look-at-the-shills-skeptics-and-hobbyists-lumped-together-in-climate-denialism/?_php=true&_type=blogs&module=BlogPost-Title&version=Blog%20Main&contentCollection=Climate%20Change&action=Click&pgtype=Blogs®ion=Body&_r=0
Walter Allensworth, the deletion of comments doesn’t obviously have a pattern other than it starts at the top. The oldest? The most popular? Perhaps someone started deleting all of them and then had second thoughts?
Oh good, I still had a window from about 1100 EST. My comments were:
ricwerme • a day ago
Where was the ADL when skeptics started to be called “climate change deniers”? Where was the ADL when James Hansen, when he was the director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Science, referred to freight trains carrying coal as “death trains”? You are criticising someone who has been unfairly hounded and denigrated for much of his professional career merely because he works with data that shows climate change is less significant and less due to CO2 than those in power think. Next time, please do a little research before you react.
Feel free to come to the climate change debate and help get it back to healthy discourse instead of name calling it has fallen to today.
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ricwerme • 21 hours ago
BTW, while we’re on Nazi links, you might want to thank the WUWT blog for exposing how the Skeptical Science blog’s principals photoshopped themselves on images of Nazi leaders. I don’t know if the public shaming has changed any attitudes, but at least it will make them more careful in the future. See http://wattsupwiththat.com/201…
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Jim –
funny MSM claims the Merkel moustache pic is a “unique” picture. note the differences – there are at least two “inadvertent” shots:
Merkel Moustache #1
Later, when Sellem was sorting the photos on his computer, he noticed the image of Merkel, thought it was a unique picture, and included it in his email of photographs that go to the editors of the Post and its sister publication in Hebrew, The Post.
One of their online editors immediately saw the unique photo of Merkel and placed it on the Post’s website.
http://www.jpost.com/Features/In-Thespotlight/EXCLUSIVE-A-photo-is-worth-1000-tweets-343557
Merkel Moustache #2
http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/germanys-angela-merkel-gets-hitler-moustache-from-benjamin-netanyahu-in-unfortunate-photo/story-fnjwnhzf-1226837795741
Deleted a great many comments, including mine which were polite and factual, one being upvoted so manty times that it appeared near the top when sorted by ‘best’.
Comments now closed, dissention being deleted. I shall be draughting my own civil, but strongly-worded letter to the head of this organisation to demand answers as to why this debacle has happened and why there has been no apology given the strong consensus ( I might guess 97% if i were so witty ) of opinion that it was a very poor move indeed. Shame on them.
Oh carp. Spelling mistakes noted. Oh wordpress my kingdom for an edit option in the first few minutes of posting. I blame the Chardonnay
I just sent the following to the ADL
I find the following item by Shelley Rose of the Atlanta ADL repugnant and insulting.
see: http://atlanta.adl.org/news/adl-condemns-spencers-nazi-analogy/
Dr. Spencer and millions of CAGW Skeptics, including myself, have been verbally attacked and likened to “Holocaust Deniers” for years by the panderers of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming.
Where was the ADL when this was happening?
Then when one highly reputed scientist pushed back, the ADL was quick to selectively pounce.
This is the ultimate in hypocrisy by the ADL. With this action the ADL is contributing to the continued defamation of millions of people.
This is terrible press for you.
A retraction of this piece, and apology to CAGW skeptics everywhere for not stepping up on their behalf would go a long way toward repairing the damage to the ADL that Shelley Rose has done.
Sincerely,
-Walter Allensworth
I don’t think they understand how rabid the environmentalists are. They DO want to incarcerate and kill us. Isn’t that what the Nazis did? They essentially called us Nazis first: http://www.epw.senate.gov/fact.cfm?party=rep&id=264568
I don’t think they understand how rabid the environmentalists are. They do want to incarcerate and kill us. Isn’t that what the Nazis did? Besides, it was CAGWists that were calling us Nazis first: http://www.epw.senate.gov/fact.cfm?party=rep&id=264568
John Farnham (@opit) says:
February 26, 2014 at 8:59 pm
Paul Westhaver “Agenda is the defense of Jews.” Really ?
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Yup. And they should be freely allow to say whatever they want in support of their views.
The other side to the coin is that I demand freedom, unreservedly.
Members of my family fought in WWII, in Britain, France, Belgium and Holland, liberated prisoners in camps. All were my uncles. They told me with their own mouths what they saw, where they went, what they did. I have a pretty good record of what happened.
@Aanthanur DC says:
February 27, 2014 at 9:30 am
There are indeed different connotations that can be given to the word denier.
When I refer to myself as a CAGW Denier, I mean it in the same sense as Richard Lindzen discusses at the end of this video
http://www.viddler.com/v/79d667f3
He notes that terminological confusion starts with the word sceptic. He says whenever he is asked if he is a sceptic, he replies to the extent possible he is a Denier.
Allowing oneself to be called a sceptic implies that there was some valid apriori case for alarm about which one has doubts. There wasn’t even a valid apriori case for alarm!
The CAGW alarmism agenda was a Big Lie from the start IMO.
And the alarmists tactics are those of the Big Liars.
They have amped up the rhetoric/propaganda steadily since the agenda went public in about 1988-1990.
I’m glad that people are starting to awaken to their tactics, and are calling them out on their demonization of realists as akin to Holocaust Deniers
All the Best
brent
I’ve watched this propaganda backwagon steamroll for a long time
No point in wondering. Time to go over Shelley Rose’s head. If she is repurposing the hard earned reputation of the ADL to score points for her extracurricular interests, her superiors will want to know.
Seems my comment was deleted from the original site also.
Something doesn’t make sense here.
All I did was direct them to to the rebutal of their article from the root source of such and suggested they reconsider their position based upon history.
Yep, seems that the analytics are drawing in the web profiles (as determined by others) in total through the decision tree.
Watch out for that drone strike!
More than meets the keyboard goin on folks……..
Jimbo says:
February 27, 2014 at 2:17 pm
“The ADL have just closed their comments thread. And there I was answering back to someone who said.
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Is this your first encounter with “CB” … that well-known internetz climate expert? He’s been posing that same question for years, now. The guy’s nuts.
I was attempting to challenge him, too, in my own amateurish way … again. (We’ve tangled before.) They deleted five of my comments … left a couple of them up, last I checked, for no apparent reason. They also deleted most of “CBs” comments, too. I agree with whoever postulated that somebody started to delete all the comments, then quit for some reason.
I’m going to check out your links to see if they help me the next time I encounter him. I wasn’t sure there was any answer … I thought the question was illogical.
One example from CB: He once tried to explain why the ice was not melting in Antarctica. He said it’s because Antarctica is at the bottom of the world and faces away from the sun!
Did I mention … he’s nuts?
A few hours ago, I received notification that “CB” is now following me on Disqus. I have no idea what that means or if I can make him ‘unfollow.’ I hope he’s not stalking me … he is decidedly unstable.
His comment was off-topic, anyway, since the discussion was not about the validity of the CO2 CAGW theory. The discussion was about the name-calling involved in the debate.
@TeaPartyGeezer – We have both tangled with the automaton in the past. Usually after inundating him with links to studies showing he is wrong, he merely slinks away.
Automatons are designed to spew the filth, not defend the stupidity of their statements.
@TeaPartyGeezer – #2 – Following means you have a troll (I have several). He will follow you around trying to trip you up to assuage the fact that you annihilated him on the Antarctic stupidity. Unfortunately, there is no way to force him to “unfollow” you. Eventually, when they get tired, they stop trolling you.
Just think of it as a badge of honor. Who would want to “follow” him?
As of this hour, 2/28/14 00:00 EST,
They have deleted at least the first 31 comments.
Currently there are 35 first level comments remaining with about 7 replies.
That accounts for 73 comments and I know at one time in the early afternoon there were over 90.
I copied the first 31, and some may be partial saves with a “see more”.
I have copied everything that remains.
The posters I have (some more than once) (listing only the top level posts, not replies)
ricwerme (2), Ben D, Lubos Motl, Michael Goad, goldminor, tomdesabla1, Jack Brown, Mogumbo Gono, Jim Clarke, OssQss, NikFromNYC, Dave Burton, Shrub (2), chadke, EWorrall, Max Hugoson, MangoChutney (3), Russell Cook, Craig, TinyCO2, Phillip2, BarryWoods(2), Jon Jermey, CFI (2), Joe Horner, John B, Steven Hoffer, Justin Boston, See – owe to Rich, Carbonicus, HeaterGuy, Ben Vincent, AGW_Skeptic, Mister Lackey, Denier, BigFurHat, 17 Year Pause, Sorrow, PhilJourdan, MNHawk, realheadline,
[that is the end of my first copy, and most were civil and well written and deleted.]
[start of second copy, some are dups of 1st, but order is changed.]
Bruce, BarryWoods, See – owe to Rich, CFI, MNHawk, Heater Guy, Carbonicus, Mister Lackey, Sorrow, AGW_Skeptic, Denier, Ben Vincent, 17 Year Pause, BigFurHat, aaron, Simon Fraser, PhilJourdan, Ferdinand Engelbeen, edzuiderwijk, realheadline, HeaterGuy, DaBilk, jwalsh, Shrub, jwalsh, Hlaford, Magrathea78, Peppykiwi, Tom, Ron Turner, TR M, earwig42, Gail Combs, Simon_in_London, amstocks82
Spencer: we deny “that most of it is human-caused, and that it is a threat to future generations that must be addressed by the global community.”
http://www.christianpost.com/news/climate-change-rebuttal-evangelical-scientists-correct-one-error-make-others-of-their-own-104158/
So Spencer proclaims himself to be an AGW denyer, but whose cares?
[snip – I don’t have to be insulted by your choice of words, and I choose not to publish your comment as is. Your are welcome to resubmit it, provided you lose the insulting words, and provide something of substance other than insults and “because” – Feel free to be as upset as you wish – Anthony]
27 Feb: Wall St. Journal: Pete Du Pont: Global Warming Heats Up
The public could use an honest debate.
Global warming is back. Not actual global warming, as the decade-long trend of little to no increase in temperatures continues. But the topic of global warming is back in the news. From Secretary of State John Kerry’s recent climate comments in Jakarta to the White House’s 2014 “year of action” plan on carbon emissions, global warming has garnered more ink and pixels than we’ve seen in a while.
It’s an open question whether this renewed emphasis reflects sincere concern about global warming or is just the Obama administration playing to part of its base prior to the midterm elections. Either way, the White House and the eco-left must be disappointed by polls that continue to show Americans do not share their sense of urgency. Even though many believe some warming exists and is at least partly anthropogenic, the vast majority consider it a low priority…
The warming alarmists might earn more support if they acted less like they had something to hide and actually allowed open debate. Perhaps they could respond to their critics rationally instead of reflexively branding them heretics, suitable for whatever is the modern university and research center equivalent of burning at the stake. Real science does not fear those who challenge it, does not work to have challengers’ articles banned from science journals, and does not compare skeptics to Holocaust deniers or, as Mr. Kerry did in Jakarta, members of the “Flat Earth Society.” …
A movement with confidence in its scientific theories would be able to admit there are many climate factors beyond carbon dioxide that are not yet well understood, and that some climate models have been shown to be unreliable. Such a movement would not downplay or whitewash leaked emails evincing the possibility of massaged data. When it criticizes its skeptics as hired guns of the fossil-fuel industry who are influenced by money, it would be willing to acknowledge that it thrives on government and private funding that would shrink if its research did not continue to say warming is here and getting worse. And there would be more confessions such as Al Gore’s belated acknowledgment that his support for ethanol was misguided…
All that might not be easy, but what comes next would be downright difficult. The alarmists must admit that every policy decision involves an equation and that polices directed at reducing carbon emissions come with costs. Robert Bryce, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, just issued a study that points to European Union climate polices (renewable energy subsidies and mandates, as well as a carbon cap-and-trade scheme) as a significant reason the 27 EU nations pay on average more than twice what we pay in the U.S. per residential kilowatt-hour of electricity, with Germany paying three times as much. Following such policies in the U.S. would shrink our economy as it would cost more not just to run our homes, but to power our offices and factories and operate our schools and hospitals. It’s fine if the alarmists feel these higher costs and the impact on jobs and our economy are worth bearing, but they need to admit these negative impacts and justify them to the public…
Finally, the alarmists must admit that it is not certain their policies would significantly reduce the rising temperatures they predict. They need to admit that, for some of them, their policy prescriptions are really about control of our economy. Many want government control of the energy sector because they ideologically prefer it to free markets. Some want to stifle economic growth in America in a foolish and counterproductive attempt at achieving global economic equality…
The alarmists need to acknowledge their policies would sentence more of our world’s poor to poverty, disease and premature death.
To be sure, the science is not settled. The alarmists may be correct about projected warming. They may be correct that the costs of their proposed policies would be worth it if those policies avoid some of the negative impacts of that projected warming. If they truly feel they are right, they have an even greater responsibility to drop their insular and defensive attitude and debate these issues openly.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304709904579408950141040072?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304709904579408950141040072.html
very telling Anthony, very telling. take a look at the choice of words from you followers here….
as i said, hypocricity.
you people accuse 1000’s of scientists of doing lousy research, spreading propaganda and lies.
but oh noo i keep calling you people deniers…. so no publishing of my comment.
how about contrarian? is that acceptable to you?
as i said, i will not use sceptics. because that is not what you are.
so my dear not accepters of AGW. the evidence has been provided. the vast majority of experts , all major scientific institutions and all top universities around the globe are convinced by the evidence.
but just like creationists do not accept the fossil record nor the DNA sequencing as evidence. so you do not accept the evidence. so what use is it to post the evidence again as i was challenged to do? its like posting the analysis of the human chromosm 2 , the fused chromosom that proves without a doubt that we are related to modern apes.
it will not make a difference. i know already that you do not accept the evidence.
and yes i appeal to authority , the authority of experts, wich is very valid. you on the other hand here have apealed to false authority, like Moore. that is a falacy.
@Aanthanur DC – You will not use “skeptic” because to do so would destroy your juvenile rant and force you to admit that insult is all you have. You set up strawmen, with no sourcing or basis in reality, and then proceed to destroy them (perceptionally since you offered no support). But you do not address a single person or statement here to back up your childish insults.
I must agree with the consensus. You are nothing more than a troll.
“I don’t think they understand how rabid the environmentalists are. They DO want to incarcerate and kill us.”
and somehow that post is not offending? Anthony? did you just miss it or is your bias blinding you so much?
@Aanthanur DC – re:
Offending Art? What is offensive about the truth?
Gassing Skeptics – http://motls.blogspot.com/2011/06/gassing-skeptics-confusing-co-and-co2.html
Tattooing Skeptics – http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/society-and-culture/the-dangers-of-boneheaded-beliefs-20110602-1fijg.html
Who were the last people to be “tattooed” Art? Or are you a holocaust D word?
If the reality is offensive to you, I can see why you retreat to your insular world of myth and fairy tales called CAGW. But here, the truth is allowed to be spoken – even when ugly. And the truth is as stated. They are going for the final solution on skeptics. And yes, that is EXACTLY what they have said they wanted to do. Even while the ADL Condemns the victims!
I see they deleted mine also. Here it is though, alive and well…
“”Your byline is stated as ” Imagine a World Without Hate”. Yet you do not seem to recognize what has been happening in dialogues taking place at different media site blogs around the globe in discussions that are related to climate change. There has been an escalating scale of attack against anyone who voices an opinion that goes against the catastrophic global warming agenda. Recently the level of attack has escalated to some calling for imprisonment or worse for those who disagree with their belief system of CAGW. Does the ADL stand with those people and what they would like to see done to those who disagree with their beliefs? There is no question in my mind that the hard core inner group of acolytes, who spend their days spewing hate speech continually at sceptics, have the impetus in their heart to inflict harm on the perceived enemy, which are those who are sceptical of their beliefs regarding causes of changes in the climate. Actually the term ‘Climate Change Gestapo’ would be more fitting for those types, as they are the hard core adherents to this belief system. Many of them do not have the ability to understand the science under discussion as it is. However they have chosen sides, and absent the ability to debate they resort to hateful or denigrating comments against sceptics. It is in this light that I see no problem with Dr Spencer’s article and the views that he has expressed. I am thus surprised to hear of your reaction to this issue.
My great grandfather had the foresight to leave Poland with his family prior to the rise of Hitler. He tried to talk his cousins and relatives to join him, but they did not believe his words. There were only several survivors from those who did not heed his words that survived that which came to pass.””
Aanthanur DC says:
February 28, 2014 at 1:05 am
“I don’t think they understand how rabid the environmentalists are. They DO want to incarcerate and kill us.”
and somehow that post is not offending? Anthony? did you just miss it or is your bias blinding you so much?
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It is the truth. Do you find the truth offensive?
Aanthanur DC says:
Various posts
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Why should I, or anyone else, take any notice of anything you have to say? You are, in the true sense of the word, illiterate. You cannot spell, do not understand the rules of grammar and cannot parse a sentence. You do not even understand the proper function of capital letters.
Btw, I’m not talking about typos here. Typos can happen to anyone; I don’t doubt that someone, somewhere will find plenty in my occasional posts. You, on the other hand, massacre the language on an industrial scale so I have no doubt that you do exactly the same with your “science”.
[Snip. Stop labeling people you do not agree with as “deniers” and “denialists”. It violates the written site Policy. ~mod.]
Mr Green Genes
why should anyone take notice of what you say? oh right, most don’t 🙂
and yes my english is lousy… enlish is not one of the languages used in my country.