UPDATE: Even Trenberth is critical of the Cai et al. (2013) study. See the update at the end.
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My apologies to the writers of Mel Brooks’ Blazing Saddles for the title of the post.
Hedley Lamarr: My mind is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening through a cosmic vapor of invention.
Taggart: Ditto.
Hedley Lamarr: “Ditto?” “Ditto,” you provincial putz?
Blogger “Andrew” advises that the twitter-sphere is filled with discussions of a new paper claiming that the strengths of the late 20th Century El Niño events were caused by global warming. This argument has been around for years and keeps getting resurrected. Blogger “nevket240” provided a link to the Sydney Morning Herald article by Tom Arup Major El Nino events likely to double in next century, which appears to have initiated the discussions.
The new paper is Cai et al (2013) Increasing frequency of extreme El Niño events due to greenhouse warming. The abstract reads:
El Niño events are a prominent feature of climate variability with global climatic impacts. The 1997/98 episode, often referred to as ‘the climate event of the twentieth century’, and the 1982/83 extreme El Niño, featured a pronounced eastward extension of the west Pacific warm pool and development of atmospheric convection, and hence a huge rainfall increase, in the usually cold and dry equatorial eastern Pacific. Such a massive reorganization of atmospheric convection, which we define as an extreme El Niño, severely disrupted global weather patterns, affecting ecosystems, agriculture, tropical cyclones, drought, bushfires, floods and other extreme weather events worldwide. Potential future changes in such extreme El Niño occurrences could have profound socio-economic consequences. Here we present climate modelling evidence for a doubling in the occurrences in the future in response to greenhouse warming. We estimate the change by aggregating results from climate models in the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project phases 3 (CMIP3; ref. 10) and 5 (CMIP5; ref. 11) multi-model databases, and a perturbed physics ensemble. The increased frequency arises from a projected surface warming over the eastern equatorial Pacific that occurs faster than in the surrounding ocean waters, facilitating more occurrences of atmospheric convection in the eastern equatorial region.
A REANALYSIS CONTRADICTS THE MODELS
These are similar to the claims in Power et al. (2013) Robust twenty-first-century projections of El Niño and related precipitation variability. We discussed that paper in the post Will Global Warming Increase the Intensity of El Niño? To save myself some time, I’ll copy parts of that post:
However, Ray & Giese (2012) Historical changes in El Niño and La Niña characteristics in an ocean reanalysis found that El Niño events had not become stronger, or lasted longer, or occurred more often (among other things) since 1871. And manmade greenhouse gases are said to have caused global warming during that time period. The Ray & Giese (2012) abstract ends:
Overall, there is no evidence that there are changes in the strength, frequency, duration, location or direction of propagation of El Niño and La Niña anomalies caused by global warming during the period from 1871 to 2008.
So one wonders how climate models could simulate a future change in ENSO when there have been no changes in almost 140 years.
MODELS CAN’T SIMULATE BASIC ENSO PROCESSES
Additionally, we know climate models can’t simulate ENSO. Here’s another portion of that earlier blog post:
Guilyardi et al. (2009), which is a paper I have referred to numerous times in blog posts (example here). Did Power et al. (2013) overlook one of the critical findings of Guilyardi et al. (2009)?:
Because ENSO is the dominant mode of climate variability at interannual time scales, the lack of consistency in the model predictions of the response of ENSO to global warming currently limits our confidence in using these predictions to address adaptive societal concerns, such as regional impacts or extremes.
In other words, because climate models cannot accurately simulate El Niño and La Niña processes, the authors of Guilyardi et al. (2009) have little confidence in climate model projections of regional climate or of extreme events.
Bellenger, et al. (2013) “ENSO Representation in Climate Models: From CMIP3 to CMIP5,” is a more recent confirmation of how poorly climate models simulate El Niños and La Niñas. (Preprint copy is here.) The section titled “Discussion and Perspectives” begins:
Much development work for modeling group is still needed in order to correctly represent ENSO, its basic characteristics (amplitude, evolution, timescale, seasonal phaselock…) and fundamental processes such as the Bjerknes and surface fluxes feedbacks.
“Amplitude” refers to the strengths of ENSO events.
“Evolution” refers to the formation of El Niños and La Niñas and the processes that take place as the events are forming.
“Timescale” can refer to both the how long ENSO events last and how often they occur.
“Phaselock” refers to the fact that El Niño and La Niña events are tied to the seasonal cycle. They peak in the boreal winter.
“Bjerknes feedback,” very basically, means how the tropical Pacific and the atmosphere above it are coupled; i.e., they are interdependent, a change in one causes a change in the other and they provide positive feedback to one another. The existence of this positive “Bjerknes feedback” suggests that El Niño and La Niña events will remain in one mode until something interrupts the positive feedback.
In short, according to Bellenger, et al. (2013), the current generation of climate models (CMIP5: used by the IPCC for their 5th Assessment Report and by Power et al (2013)) still cannot simulate basic coupled ocean-atmosphere processes associated with El Niño and La Niña events–basic processes.
DATA CONTRADICT THE FLAWED MODELS
And, of course, to further contradict the models, ocean heat content data and satellite-era sea surface temperature data indicate ocean warming was caused by strong naturally occurring, sunlight-fueled El Niño events, not vice versa as claimed by the modelers…who still can’t simulate basic ENSO processes.
If the subject of the natural warming of the global oceans is new to you, refer to my illustrated essay “The Manmade Global Warming Challenge”(42MB). The way data portrays how the oceans warmed may come as a surprise to you, especially with all we’ve been told about human-induced global warming. If you like audio-video presentations, see my two-part YouTube video series “The Natural Warming of the Global Oceans”. Part 1 is here and Part 2 is here. Also see An Illustrated Introduction to the Basic Processes that Drive El Niño and La Niña Events.
And a whole lot more information about El Niño and La Niña can be found in my ebook Who Turned on the Heat? which has been lowered in price to U.S.$5.00. A free preview in pdf format is here. The preview includes the Table of Contents, the Introduction, the first half of section 1 (which was provided complete in this post), a discussion of the cover, and the Closing. Take a run through the Table of Contents. It is a very-detailed and well-illustrated book—using data from the real world, not models of a virtual world.
Who Turned on the Heat? is only available in pdf format…and will only be available in that format. Click here to purchase a copy. Thanks. Unless I can find funding for my research, it will be book sales and tips/donations that allow me to return to blogging full-time.
NOTE: With my new job, I may be a little slow responding to questions. Sorry.
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UPDATE:
Brian Kahn also covered Cai et al. (2013) in his ClimateCentral post Climate Change Could Double Likelihood of Super El Ninos. (Thanks again Andrew for the link to the post at HockeySchtick.) Brian Kahn’s article included the following and a remarkable quote from Kevin Trenberth:
The core of Cai’s results, that more super El Ninos are likely, was disputed by Kevin Trenberth, a senior scientist at the National Corporation [sic] for Atmospheric Research.
He said some of the models used in the study overestimate the past number of El Nino events by a wide margin and do a poor job of representing them and their impacts.
“This seriously undermines the confidence that the models do an adequate job in ENSO (El Nino-Southern Oscillation) simulations and so why should we trust their future projections?” he said in an email.
Trenberth also said that some long-range climate models also fail to adequately simulate other natural climate patterns that influence El Nino let alone how they might also shift in a warming world.
I’m beginning to enjoy Kevin Trenberth again. (sarc on) I’m sure he’ll be pleased. (sarc off)
OOPS, forgot to thank Andrew and nevket240. Thank you!
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Pippen Kool says: “What I think is that now we consider ENSO weather noise super imposed on the climate…”
Therein lies one of the problems with the AGW hypothesis. The contribution of ENSO to long-term warming is not considered.
Regards
“Blogger “Andrew” advises that the twitter-sphere is filled with discussions of a new paper claiming that the strengths of the late 20th Century El Niño events were caused by global warming.”
El Nino episode strengths are the response to short term cooling such as at a larger decline in solar wind speeds, and from stratospheric volcanic events: http://www.snag.gy/nf9SK.jpg
Ct A`, @ur momisugly. 8 48pm
Well cut the Gas then heh!
Bob Tisdale says: “Therein lies one of the problems with the AGW hypothesis. The contribution of ENSO to long-term warming is not considered.”
Well, you must mean warming and cooling, because the ENSO can’t create energy. And actually, I thought the current idea is that the La Niña is sucking heat out of the atmosphere (and eventually dumping it into the deep layers of the Indian Ocean or something, but don’t quote me on that.) So it would seem the ENSO can heat and it can cool.
Hmmmmmmmm….??????????
“Solar energy creates ENSO so your saying the sun doesn`t create energy?”
ENSO is 4 letters.
Do we withness sheere sales promotion of the “free” or the “Psi-..” energy here again?
In his last Punctum “Solar enertgy warms and the enso blablablablabla punctum,” we see sale of Lindzens Iris theory again
If I were to kill the Gro Harlem Brundtland(peace be with her) invention namely the IPCC, I would do it with the clouds. But those who try to do that all seem very unqualified and very far away from knowing how to design a good argument for proof. Brundtland & Hansen simply are above you in the grades.
She (peace be with her) comes from the faculty of medicine, where she graduated orderly and legally, and she was / is no quack.
But you know how doctors are. She first ruled Norway as a University clinic hospital with herself as the chief top doctor, an later on the whole world as a university clinic hospital with herself as the chief top doctor in charge.
That is why.
Pippen Kool:
Your post at January 21, 2014 at 8:22 am says in total
If you were to attend a high school course in elementary physics then you would cease your habit of making such silly posts on WUWT.
The Earth gains energy from the Sun and returns it to space.
Some of that energy goes into the ocean before it returns to space.
Energy that accumulates in the oceans warms the oceans.
No energy needs to be created.
You see, Pippen Kool, increased energy retention can increase temperature and an increase to temperature is warming.
I know from your past posts on WUWT that you have difficulty understanding concepts such as energy, heat, temperature and warming. But they are not really difficult to understand and I assure you that many school children could help you to understand.
Richard
Pippen Kool says:
January 21, 2014 at 8:22 am
“Well, you must mean warming and cooling, because the ENSO can’t create energy.”
Solar energy creates ENSO so your saying the sun doesn’t create energy? Nino3.4 SSTs may warm or not over the decades depending on the data source, but energy is transferred away from the ENSO region. Therefore it cant be judged like you have, to claim it cant create energy. Where does the energy go after an El Nino and it just doesn’t disappear into thin air? Cool ocean currents from below caused by up-welling with trade winds are responsible for negative trends in ENSO. Solar energy still warms this region though but because of up-welling it seems there is an overall cooling. ENSO is just a cycle transporting solar energy from the tropics to other regions of the planet.
Since when is noise solar energy distributed around ocean surface currents from the natural ENSO build up and disperse cycle? It is not noise, it is how the planet moves the build up of too much energy in the tropics to the rest of the world. It is natural thermostat that prevents the tropics warming too much. The reason why during major ice ages the tropics hardly changed and only cooled about 1c.
http://morriscourse.com/elements_of_ecology/images/ocean_currents.jpg
http://www.plantsciences.ucdavis.edu/plantsciences_Faculty/Bloom/CAMEL/Art/CurrentsOcean.jpg
The ocean currents above show how energy from the E equatorial Pacific move west with trade winds and spread into 3 different directions from the W equatorial Pacific. One warm current moves N toward the Arctic, the other moves S towards Antarctica and the main one moves energy towards the Indian ocean which joins surface currents that eventually reach the tip of South Africa and move up the Eastern side of North and South America until reach Europe and finally the Arctic. This is how the planet naturally removes energy from a hot tropical regions preventing it from positive feedback.
Only surface ocean water cant last that long before cooling can it? Yes it can and does because the surface ocean current varies between around 200m and 400m deep.
The diagram below shows how the warming in E equatorial Pacific formed back in 1997.
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/GODAS/mnth_gif/xz/mnth.anom.xz.temp.0n.1996.04.gif
How can it be noise when it causes a step up roughly half of the original El Nino in global temperature rise. Then stays flat with maybe a very slight cooling trend until the next strong El Nino appears. This shows that global temperatures are only rising when a strong El Nino occurs. When there isn’t one, global temperatures remain generally flat like recent years since the last strong El Nino back in 1997/1998.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1982/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1997.5/trend/offset:-0.05/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1987/to:1996.5/trend/offset:-0.05
The strong El Nino back in the early 1980s would have been larger on global temperatures if it had not been for a major volcanic eruption back then.
Solar energy warms and the ENSO is solar energy based so it can only warm. When less solar energy reaches the tropics with especially increased global low cloud levels we will see a reverse in this trend of ENSO that occurred between the 1980s and 1990s.
Carbomontanus says:
January 21, 2014 at 9:37 am
Go on then describe where the energy comes from in ENSO?
“In his last Punctum “Solar enertgy warms and the enso blablablablabla punctum,” we see sale of Lindzens Iris theory again”
Whether that is true or not doesn’t matter when we know that global low cloud levels have declined with satellite data. This is where the extra energy comes from what ever caused this decline.
The rest of your rant is not worth responding too.
Bob, on the Australian BOM site there is a list of past El Nino events together with discussion of the impact on Australian weather, mainly drought. I notice they show no El Nino event between 1925/26 and 1940/41. In other words right through the hot thirties. We seem to be having heatwaves rather like the thirties now, with no El Nino since 2009/10. Are they right or have they missed some? Any comments?
richardscourtney says: “The Earth gains energy from the Sun and returns it to space. Some of that energy goes into the ocean before it returns to space. Energy that accumulates in the oceans warms the oceans. No energy needs to be created. increased energy retention can increase temperature and an increase to temperature is warming.”
But in a world that is not warming, the energy in should equal the energy out (of course, on the average over years.) That means that in the long run, the heating due to El Niño needs to equal the cooling due to La Niña.
Matt G says: “Where does the energy go after an El Nino and it just doesn’t disappear into thin air?”
Seems to me you are arguing that the convection of water in a boiling tea pot is responsible for its heating.If the pot is warming, I bet more heat is going in than going out. A tea pot may not be as complex as the climate, but in both cases the heat causes the movement (of water/of air), and in both cases, things only heat if you change the balance of heat in and heat out (by the burner/by AGW).
Matt G says: “How can it be noise when it causes a step up roughly half of the original El Nino in global temperature rise.”
Just like a cold spell or a heat wave, ENSO is not predictable five or ten years out. But, its average effect is predictable, but only like dice. So noise. Or random variation, if you like that better.
Pippen Kool says:
January 21, 2014 at 11:43 am
“Seems to me you are arguing that the convection of water in a boiling tea pot is responsible for its heating.If the pot is warming, I bet more heat is going in than going out. A tea pot may not be as complex as the climate, but in both cases the heat causes the movement (of water/of air), and in both cases, things only heat if you change the balance of heat in and heat out (by the burner/by AGW).”
No the energy has increased not just moved around, The stronger El Ninos of recent years are caused by greater amounts of energy in the ocean surface than before. (0 m-400 m) This was down to lower global cloud levels with increased solar energy. The convection does bring the warmer water to the surface, but was originally caused by increased solar warming reaching the ocean surface and beyond.
“Just like a cold spell or a heat wave, ENSO is not predictable five or ten years out. But, its average effect is predictable, but only like dice. So noise. Or random variation, if you like that better.”
Step up occurred each time straight after a strong El Nino, that it not random. Solar energy if its enough to cause a strong El Nino and break equilibrium, will cause a step up. A certain amount of solar energy will cause a step up whereas any mount smaller will not. That’s down to how the ocean surface can only lose a certain threshold of energy at any one time.
Law of physics, energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it is transformed. In the case of ENSO, movement of the thermocline facilitates storage of potential energy which is then transformed into kinetic energy through currents. And of course all these are coupled to the winds, a chicken and egg situation (which is first?). If you traced everything back, it is the sun that provides the source of heat and gets redistributed via the mean climate (i.e., that is why we have the Wind systems, e.g., Trade Winds), facilitated by the configuration of land masses, curvature of the Earth. ENSO can be thought of either a damped system perturbed by external stochastic forcing (such as the westerly wind bursts), or unstable system that allows the events to develop and decay in which the irregularity is then due to noise. During El Nino a large part of the Pacific Ocean warms which then heats up the atmosphere, warming the globe. A lot of processes then take place at the peak of an El Nino to cool things down again. We can think of the opposite occurring during La Nina. Warming or cooling of the mean climate due to increased or reduced solar forcing (e.g., through more or less clouds, aerosols, greenhouse gasses, wobble of the Earth’s rotation, sunspots, etc.) can alter processes that control ENSO (e.g., deeper thermocline, weaker Trade Winds, etc.). On longer geological time scale the mean climate can be altered due to different configuration of the land masses. The Earth’s climate system is a very complex thing.
Geoff Cruickshank, a couple of years ago I created a longer-term table that looked like NOAA’s Oceanic NINO Index.
http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2010/11/30/long-term-oni-like-table-of-el-nino-and-la-nina-events/
It’s based on NINO3.4 sea surface temperature anomalies from the HADISST dataset.
Here’s the NOAA link for their oceanic NINO Index as a reference. It only runs back to 1950, and they use shifting base years for anomalies:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ensostuff/ensoyears.shtml
Sorry for the delay in replying,
Regards
Pippen Kool says: “Well, you must mean warming and cooling, because the ENSO can’t create energy.”
You’re exposing your lack of understanding about ENSO with statements like that, Pippen Kool.
La Nina events reduce cloud cover over the tropical Pacific and allow sunlight to penetrate and warm the tropical Pacific to depth. They create the warm water that is subsequently released and redistributed by the El Nino, and that warm water created by La Ninas also serves as the source of the heat that is released through evaporation during the El Nino. See the post “Untruths, Falsehoods, Fabrications, Misrepresentations”:
http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2013/01/25/untruths-falsehoods-fabrications-misrepresentations/
Have a nice day.
Pippen Kool says: “Well, you must mean warming and cooling, because the ENSO can’t create energy.”
Bob Tisdale says: “You’re exposing your lack of understanding about ENSO with statements like that, Pippen Kool. La Nina events reduce cloud cover over the tropical Pacific and allow sunlight to penetrate and warm the tropical Pacific to depth. They create the warm water that is subsequently released and redistributed by the El Nino, and that warm water created by La Ninas also serves as the source of the heat that is released through evaporation during the El Nino.”
Right. My lack of understanding and anyone who works on ENSO. What you have described is shuffling energy around not making more of it. You know, you have pushed that idea for years now, and you have never really answered the Q of where your magical energy comes from. You need to do a spreadsheet or something, you make energy from nothing. Really. Because you can not warm the earth with ENSO anymore than you can with hurricanes or cold spells.
I mean think about it, Bob. If ENSO only worked one way the earth would as hot as Venus. But it’s not. So ENSO is like everything else on earth, normal in balance.
Pippen Fool says:
“you have never really answered the Q of where your magical energy comes from.”
How many times do you have to be told by other commenters here: energy ultimately comes from the sun. Your side is the one that claims that energy is produced by CO2 to create global warming. ‘Back radiation’ and all the rest of that alarmist nonsense.
As richardscourtney clearly explains:
How many times does that have to be explained to you, before it starts to sink in?
stealey says: “you have never really answered the Q of where your magical energy comes from. How many times do you have to be told by other commenters here: energy ultimately comes from the sun. Your side is the one that claims that energy is produced by CO2 to create global warming. ‘Back radiation’ and all the rest of that alarmist nonsense.
As richardscourtney clearly explains:
The Earth gains energy from the Sun and returns it to space.
Some of that energy goes into the ocean before it returns to space.
Energy that accumulates in the oceans warms the oceans.
No energy needs to be created.
How many times does that have to be explained to you, before it starts to sink in?”
So, sorry, where was the answer to my Q? Where does the extra magical energy come from? The sun? Well, the sun has been shining for many years now, and ANSO has not consumed the planet yet with the ENSO energy synthesis machine.
So I have come up with a sarcastical play for you all:
stealey, “Oh look, Oh look, the teapot is suddenly heating up”
richardscourtney, “but I don’t think the burner has been turned up. I didnt bother to measure it, it but I am sure.”
tisdale, “It must be because the convection currents in the teapot are releaseing their heat which must come (somehow) from the heat that hasnt been turned up!!!”
stealey and richardscourtney, “Amen, Amen, That must be it!! That must be it!! Quick, we should publish this on a blog so we don’t haf to worry about the real world!!!”
and watts, “sure. that seem reasonable, why not?”
Pippen Kool says:
January 21, 2014 at 7:46 pm
“I mean think about it, Bob. If ENSO only worked one way the earth would as hot as Venus. But it’s not. So ENSO is like everything else on earth, normal in balance.”
ENSO does only work one way partly described on January 21, 2014 at 9:05 am. Warmer water reaches the surface to give the El NIno and this energy is lost eventually by being transported via ocean surface currents to other parts of the planet. If there is too much energy it will cause a short term future step up. Cooler water replaces it during La NIna and this in turn is warmed by solar energy in the tropics. ENSO is a ocean natural cycle for moving solar energy from the tropical regions to other parts of the planet.
It is always derived from solar energy that warms and remember the planet is always losing energy. Solar energy generally maintains the energy balance that is always lost to space. Lower solar energy reaching the tropics will change this balance between energy incoming and the planets outgoing. In this case will cause it to warm less and if the planet is still losing the same energy as before, a downwards trend occurs in ENSO. This evidence is shown by a period of less El Ninos and more La NInas because when cooler water replaces it during La NIna, this is warmed less than previously. Therefore less energy to fuel an El Nino and the La Ninas are colder than before because before the transition to El Nino it is also warmed less.
Forgot to mention during a La Nina while being warmed less due to a reduction in solar energy if there is too much energy loss this will cause a short term future step down. While satellite data has been observing this has so far yet to have happen.
Ladies and Gentlemen
look up
http:/Reidar/Finsrud/perpetuum/mobile
I know him very well. I live just a short distance from there. We went to public school together. I did help him quite a bit with science on basic energetics, because allthough being a really very clever mechanics, he is lacking Baccalaureus 1 on physics and chemistery. And able to discuss that with me. He was planning to make “free energy”.
To put him on elementary right track I told him:
§1, Of God, we know less
§2, Of the sun, we know that it is relatively perpetuum
§3, Of anything under the sun we know that it is due not to violate the 2nd law of energetics- thermodynamics
§4 Then we will have our Mobiles to “shillyshally” and go (Tuttle og gå)
(We may say verbum: to “skingle” which is probably shillyshally.)
That showed exactly right. Dr. R.Finsrud had pondered on the problem in vain for years, and got his Mobile to shillyshally and go ony 2 weeks after I made him aware of §§§§1,2,3 and 4, see above.
The University, despite of all efforts, have not yet found out how it really works and what drives it, allthough it is rather trivial and easy. The very “shillyshally” is only for camouflage.
Thus,the University got really jelaous, and made their own mobile in revenge. That Mobile hangs apparently perpetuum in the entrance hall of the institute of Physics in Oslo, and does also shillishally and go.
I had my own Mobile ready for the Venus festival in Oslo, after I really had to wrap myself together and make a shillishally, the fameous Kolberg Tictack device, =the higly refined Barndoor device or scotch mount for longtime astrophoto exposures, for Hale Bopp. That works just as fine for solar occular projections at the festivals. Driven by gravity and passive ecapement ticktack- regulation, which is the big ben or Horologium oscillatorium principle. Later I found out that I had re- invented Focaults pioneering method for longtime astrophoto exposures.
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I must say quite in general that the large drawback and handicap of the climate- deniers and “sceptics” and Surrealists is that they are the flat earth typical blind believers, who believe blindly in the experts and in the scriptures.
Whereas I,…. and Reidar Finsrud… rather have learnt to look to Nature and to natural reality and to set on our own senses, and to take it out of the raw materials of Nature, as directly as possible the understood way without having to ask the experts or to buy it half fabricata as LEGO or Kits from them. Thus he has become a very clever artist and…. magician. And I have become a very clever musical instrument maker and acoustician and………scientist.
You see,…. i do not seek it up in virtual reality from the experts; i seek it up and find it in the Tungsten filament of an incandescent lamp for instance, and in an iron rod.
Without being thorroughly aquainted to Carl Anton Bjerknes`water bath and just a few things more, you hardly are qualified for the study and arrangement and tackeling of and even living with and disussing…….. streaming and oscillating, massive and molecular matter in wild nature.
I was not aware of it before I red it here, but when it comes to it, who else but the grandson of Carl Anton Bjerknes could clear up and tell you very much more about the largest water- bath on earth?
[Is all of that quoting the piece from (about) Reider, or your words? Mod]
Pippen Kool says: “Right. My lack of understanding and anyone who works on ENSO. What you have described is shuffling energy around not making more of it. You know, you have pushed that idea for years now, and you have never really answered the Q of where your magical energy comes from.”
Apparently your reading comprehension skills are lacking. Did you read the post I linked for you earlier?
Dr. Mod
It is all my own words.
Galleri Finsrud Perpetuum mobile
may come better.