Guest post by Alec Rawls
Nice hype by Matt Drudge, whose three linked quotes are all from the BBC’s one brief paragraph of text, but the accompanying video (full transcription below) is more substantial, with scientists talking about the likelihood of an extended Maunder Minimum type period low solar activity and the cold temperatures that coincided with the Maunder Minimum during the 1600’s.
Professor Richard Harrison from the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory is clear about the correlation [at 1:57]:
The Maunder Minimum of course was a period of almost no sunspots at all for decades and we saw a really dramatic period where there were very cold winters in the northern hemisphere. It was a period where you had a kind of mini ice-age. You had a period where the Thames froze in winters and so on. It was an interesting time.
BBC science correspondent Rebecca Morelle doesn’t shy away from the possible implications today:
So does a decline in solar activity mean plunging temperatures for decades to come?
Best of all is Dr. Lucie Green from University College in London, who describes the unsettled state of the science [at 3:35]:
It is a very very complex area because the sun’s activity controls how much visible light the sun gives out, but also how much ultraviolet light and x-rays that the sun emits and they create a web of changes up in the earth’s atmosphere producing effects that actually we don’t fully understand.
Green then wraps up the segment by declining to suggest that anthropogenic warming can be expected to outweigh solar cooling:
… on the one hand we’ve got perhaps a cooling sun, but on the other hand you’ve got human activity that can counter that and I think it is quite difficult to say actually how these two are going to compete and what the consequences then are for the global climate.
The weak link is solar physicist Mike Lockwood who makes irrational and unsupported claims about solar activity only affecting regional climate and not having a global effect.
The BBC voice-over sets up Lockwood’s unsupported speculation:
BBC: Less solar activity means a drop in ultraviolet radiation. Mike Lockwood says this seems to affect the behavior of the jet stream. The Jet stream changes its pattern. This ends up blocking warm air from reaching Northern Europe. This causes long cold winters, but what about global temperatures as a whole?
Lockwood [at 5:03]: One has to make a very clear distinction between regional climate and global climate. If we get a cold winter in Europe because of these blocking events it’s warmer, for example, in Greenland, so the average is almost no change, so it is a redistribution of temperature around the North Atlantic.
As Stephen Wilde has been pointing out for years, the wider meanders in the polar jet that seem to be associated with low solar activity can be expected to cause a net increase in cloudiness which would increase the earth’s albedo, having a global cooling effect. The jet stream follows the boundry where cold polar air slides beneath and pushes up warmer temperate air, creating storm tracks. Not only do wider meanders create longer storm tracks but the resulting cloud cover occurs at lower latitudes, where the incidence of incoming solar radiation is steeper, making the albedo reflection stronger.
Snow cover albedo effects would likely also be global, not just regional. A warmer Greenland has almost zero marginal albedo effect: it’s 98% white anyway. But a snow covered Europe and North America will reflect away a lot of sunlight. Also, the important thing over large parts of Asia and North America will not be temperature—it’s always going to be cold enough to snow during the Siberian winter—but the extent of the storm tracks, so that cloud and snow albedos both increase with the amplitude of the jet stream meanders, as seems to have been the pattern with the current solar lull. Here is a graphic showing the 21st century’s high average snow anomalies (from Rutgers, via Brett Anderson at Accuweather):
Lockwood is up against the paleologic evidence as well. He is suggesting that, while the Little Ice Age may have been induced by low solar activity, it was a northern-hemisphere-only event, but recent studies indicate that it was a global climate swing, as was the Medieval Warm Period.
Overall though, a very good report from the BBC. Have the recent revelations about top level BBC collusion with green propagandists reduced the power of the warming alarmists to censor other views? In any case, it is good to see them do some real reporting.
Full transcript (not provided by the BBC – is this unusual? – so I transcribed it myself)
BBC voice-over: The wonder of the northern lights reminds us of the intimate connection we have with our star. The aurora borealis happens when the solar wind hits the earth’s upper atmosphere, but many of these displays may soon vanish. Something is happening to the solar activity on the surface of the sun: it’s declining, fast.
Professor Richard Harrison, Rutherford Appleton Laboratory [0:28]: Whatever measure you use, it’s coming down, the solar peaks are coming down, for example with the flares. It looks very very significant.
Dr. Lucie Green, University College London [0:36]: The solar cycles now are getting smaller and smaller. The activity is getting less and less.
BBC: There is a vast range of solar activity: sunspots, intensely magnetic areas seen here as dark regions on the sun’s surface; solar winds and uv light radiate toward the earth; flares erupt violently and coronal mass ejections throw billions of tons of charged particles into space. Solar activity rises and falls in 11-year cycles and right now we are at the peak, the solar maximum, but this cycle’s maximum is eerily quiet.
Harrison [1:18]: I’ve been a solar physicist for 30 years. I’ve never seen anything quite like this. If you want to go back to see when the sun was this inactive, in terms of the minimum we’ve just had and the peak we have now you’ve got to go back about a hundred years, so this is not something I’ve seen in my lifetime, it’s not something that a couple of generations before me have seen.
BBC: The number of sunspots is a fraction of what scientists expected, solar flares are half. Richard Harrison is the head of space physics at the Rutheford-Appleton Laboratory in Oxfordshire. He says the rate at which solar activity is falling mirrors a period in the 17th century where sunspots virtually disappeared.
Harrison [1:57]: The Maunder Minimum of course was a period of almost no sunspots at all for decades and we saw a really dramatic period where there were very cold winters in the northern hemisphere [not only the northern hemisphere – A.R.] . It was a period where you had a kind of mini ice-age. You had a period where the Thames froze in winters and so on. It was an interesting time.
BBC: Rivers and canals froze across Northern Europe. Paintings from the 17th century show frost-fairs taking place on the Thames. During the “great frost” of 1684 the river froze over for two months, the ice was almost a foot thick. The Maunder Minimum was named after the astronomer who observed the steep decline in solar activity that coincided with this mini ice-age.
BBC science correspondent Rebecca Morelle [2:46]: The Maunder Minimum came at a time when snow cover was longer and more frequent. It wasn’t just the Thames that froze over. The Baltic Sea did too. Crop failures and famines were widespread across Northern Europe. So does a decline in solar activity mean plunging temperatures for decades to come?
Dr. Lucie Green [3:04]: We’ve been making observations of sun spots which are the most obvious sign of solar activity from 1609 onwards and we’ve got 400 years of observations. The sun does seem to be in a very similar phase as it was in the run-up to the Maunder Minimum, so by that I mean the activity is dropping off cycle by cycle.
BBC voice-over: Lucie Green is based at the Mullard Space Science Laboratory in the North Downs. She thinks that lower levels of solar activity could affect the climate, but she’s not sure to what extent.
Green [3:35]: It is a very very complex area because the sun’s activity controls how much visible light the sun gives out, but also how much ultraviolet light and x-rays that the sun emits and they create a web of changes up in the earth-atmosphere producing effects that actually we don’t fully understand.
BBC voiceover: Some researchers have gone way further back in time, looked into the ice sheets of particles that were once in the upper atmosphere, particles that show variations in solar activity. Mike Lockwood’s work suggests that this is the fastest rate of solar decline for 10,000 years.
Professor Mike Lockwood, University of Reading [4:20]: If we look at the ice core record we can say, “okay so when we’ve been in this kind of situation before, what’s the sun gone on to do,” and based on that, and the rate of the current decline, we can estimate that within about 40 years from now there’s about a ten or twenty, probably nearer a 20% probabilility that we will actually be back in Maunder Minimum conditions by that time.
BBC: Less solar activity means a drop in ultraviolet radiation. Mike Lockwood says this seems to affect the behavior of the jet stream. The Jet stream changes its pattern. This ends up blocking warm air from reaching Northern Europe. This causes long cold winters, but what about global temperatures as a whole?
Lockwood [5:03]: One has to make a very clear distinction between regional climate and global climate. If we get a cold winter in Europe because of these blocking events it’s warmer, for example, in Greenland, so the average is almost no change [a completely unsupported conjecture that is at odds with reason and evidence A.R.], so it is a redistribution of temperature around the North Atlantic.
Morelle: The relationship between solar activity and weather on earth is complicated but if solar activity continues to fall could the temperature on earth as a whole get cooler? Could there be implications for global warming?
Dr. Lucie Green [5:38]: The world we live in today is very different to the world that was inhabited during the Maunder Minimum. So we have human activity, we have the industrial revolution, all kinds of gases being pumped into the atmosphere, so on the one hand we’ve got perhaps a cooling sun, but on the other hand you’ve got human activity that can counter that and I think it is quite difficult to say actually how these two are going to compete and what the consequences then are for the global climate.
BBC: So even if the planet as a whole continues to warm, if we enter a new Maunder Minimum the future for Northern Europe could be cold and frozen winters for decades to come, and we won’t even have bountiful displays of the northern lights to cheer us up.
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DirkH says:
January 19, 2014 at 10:45 am “What you are conjecturing is that a cooling Europe due to an inactive sun – which is plausible if there is e g an electromagnetic field strength link – is compensated for by local warming elsewhere, resulting in a constant average. There is no evidence that that ever happened and therefore it must be rejected as unsupported conjecture until evidence is presented.”
Global temperature always has been a statistical heaven for them.
BBC article carried on Google News:
Is our Sun falling silent?
The author hits all the juicy talking-points, with titillating quotes from leading Uni figures.
But she makes the same mistake that is virtually de rigueur in these articles.
That’s a fundamental mistake, because we are quite sure that fluctuations of output that accompany inactivity are too small to account for the cooler conditions (etc) that correlate with it.
That this is indeed the particular mistake that is being made, is underscored by the reference to a balancing-out of the putative anthropogenic warming component … likewise de rigueur.
No; we know this solar energy-decline that is seen with lower activity levels is too small to cause cooling on Earth … and it is also too small to neutralize the warming some credit to human activity. A quiet sun would not do that, as a direct result of being a touch cooler.
Articles like this are nearly always ‘pleading guilty to a lesser charge’. It is a sophomoric misstep, to account for The Pause, by pointing to the miniscule relative coolness of a quiet sun … but the alternative is to acknowledge that while on the one hand we really are perplexed at just how these solar variations are affecting Earth … otoh, the correlations pointing to a real relationship between reduced activity & a range of effects on our planet are quite strong & diverse.
Sunspots (“activity”) are dark, because they are cool. An “active” sun should logically be cooler. In fact, it is instead the spot-free sun, lacking cooler blemishes, that puts out slightly less energy. This is just another oddity to this overall situation.
Multiple lines of assessment & analysis point to the likelihood that when the real mechanism by which the activity-variations of the sun affect conditions on Earth is found, it will then become clear that this effect ‘powers right through’ other influences that play a role in tweaking our climate & ecology. Including the late-great (putative) AGW-driver.
And it’s not because the quiet sun is a wee bit cooler!
richardcourtney, I will look forward to reading your post when it is retrieved.
Yes was a surprising story to see on the Beeb, I thought it let itself down at the end with the claim European cold winters would push warm weather to Greenland. I think the Viking story doesn’t fit with that statement.
What is evidence that low sun activity causes global cooling mainly due to increased eruptions ?
What is all this nonsense about solar activity competing with human activity?
Are they suggesting that global temperatures would be even colder due to this weak cycle, if it wasn’t for anthropogenic activity?
Where is that part of the anthropogenic climate change theory published?
They have been wrong about catastrophic anthropogenic global warming, so now they think that they peddle their views about the sun too!!
They can all take a long walk off a short plank.
Jim G says:
January 19, 2014 at 10:30 am
What would be possible definitions/causes of “nonproduction related increases” Have any been postulated? Extrasolar or local or both?
10Be is mostly generated far from the polar ice [the non-polar part of the Earth is much larger than the polar regions] so most of the 10Be found in the ice cores have been transported to to polar regions by atmospheric circulation, determined by weather and climate. If that circulation changes we get non-production related changes. These are as large [and at times, larger] as the solar-produced changes.
Zeke says: @ur momisugly January 19, 2014 at 10:29 am
…And if agricultural advances in chemical fertilizers (nitrogen, horrors!), new cultivars, GM, and pesticides are eliminated, while simultaneously destroying the cattle and dairy farms because of the methane ghg regulations, how are you going to fertilize the tired soil?
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They do not care because they want us dead! That is the entire point behind all that we see happening.
”The big threat to the planet is people: there are too many, doing too well economically and burning too much oil.” ~ Sir James Lovelock
”If I were reincarnated I would wish to return to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.” ~ Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh, husband of Queen Elizabeth II, and Patron of the World Wildlife Foundation
”Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”/ ~ Maurice Strong, Chair First Earth Summit and Kyoto
“We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects. We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of acres of presently settled land.” ~ David Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!
”Complex technology of any sort is an assault on the human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it.” ~ Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute
More such quote HERE
Ted Clayton says:
January 19, 2014 at 10:50 am
Sunspots (“activity”) are dark, because they are cool. An “active” sun should logically be cooler.
Logic always fails when confronted with reality. Sunspot are associated with brighter regions [called faculae] which contributes more irradiance than sunspots take away, so the net effect is: more spots, more irradiance:
http://spaceweather.com/images2014/19jan14/hmi4096_blank.jpg?PHPSESSID=oc6okg9kphvglsmej7ie3ip385
Mosher said:
“Hint: Wilde has never posted a dataset in his life nor has he ever posted a description of any method much less code to support it.”
I have pointed to data sets of others.
My work is simply a reinterpretation of real world observations and is therefore superior to the AGW interpretation which has clearly failed..
http://www.newclimatemodel.com/new-climate-model/
The evidence is there, out in the real world, and just begs for a common sense interpretation.
Gail Combs:
Thankyou for providing your post at January 19, 2014 at 11:10 am which confirms an assertion I made about you in a post above. In case you missed it this links to it
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/19/bbc-runs-6-excellent-minutes-on-quiet-sun-and-past-correlation-with-little-ice-age/#comment-1541339
Richard
The sun is in denial.
Naw, Txomin, the sun is spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt.
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timspence10 says:
January 19, 2014 at 9:05 am
Expect more BBC relieving and pea shuffling.
Revealed: how Jimmy Savile abused up to 1,000 victims on BBC premises
NOAA manipulating/falsifying temperature data? Rather old news, methinks. But no less dangerous because their fabrications are the basis for der Fuehrer’s claims that the last ten years have been the hottest ever.
@clipe –
Sounds like the BBC has another Penn State/Jerry Sandusky on its hands.
DirkH says: @ur momisugly January 19, 2014 at 10:45 am
…What you are conjecturing is that a cooling Europe due to an inactive sun – which is plausible if there is e g an electromagnetic field strength link – is compensated for by local warming elsewhere, resulting in a constant average. There is no evidence that that ever happened and therefore it must be rejected as unsupported conjecture until evidence is presented.
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From the poit of view of human civilization it does not matter. If Steve Wilde is correct, and the evidence points that way, The Jets going from zonal to meridional will create major problems like blocking high heat waves, blizzards, droughts and flood. (Why do you think the clued in CAGW pushers switched to extreme weather) Cold snaps in late spring or early fall are enough to wipe out an entire crop as fruit tree blossoms freeze or plants die before reaching maturity.
We will see more headlines like this:
Mar 5, 2010, Cold snap decimates Florida tomato crop: Prices up fivefold after growers lose 70 percent of their yield
May 24, 2012 Wheat Fields Parched by Drought From U.S. to Russia
Apr 30, 2013 MISSOULA, Mont: Cold snap worries fruit tree growers
Unfortunately we will also see headlines like this> Climate Change Seen Posing Risk to Food Supplies… potentially undermining crop production and driving up prices at a time when the demand for food is expected to soar, scientists have found.
But the MSM never reports stories like this:
Want food security? Bring Back a National Grain Reserve
lsvalgaard says @ur momisugly January 19, 2014 at 11:11 am;
Wow – thanks for the awesome picture of the sun on SpaceWeather! Yes, I can see where my logic ran afoul of the facts; the bright faculae are ‘sprayed’ around the groups of dark spots.
It does tend to get dicey, when we craft theories mainly in view of our narrative. ;8-|
Leif,
Please check your email – Anthony
@Julian in Wales
“I think the BBC are too thick skinned to notice complaints about bias.”
I second that. Also, hide-bound blithering incompetence is not actual lying. A liar has intent and the legal competence to know they are not telling the truth. The BBC does not exhibit all that much willful intent as a corporation though some of their guests could easily bear such a label. Climate competent they are not, however.
It seems the Brits have been teaching the Americans how to stand out in the noonday sun and declare themselves the leading lights of the civilized world. The term ‘hide-bound’ was often correctly applied to both the Imperial British institutional as well as personal attitude.
My take on this is that there is enough worry in the Beeb about the impending public humiliation of their years-long propaganda campaign supporting the AGW meme to force them into a CYA exercise so they can later say, “We told you so,” with a straight face even if their fingers are crossed behind them. Plonkers don’t have to be right in the middle, they only have to be right in the end, apparently.
Regarding the degree of jet stream zonality / meridionality this can be determined by the NAO. While the NAO is positive the jet stream is in zonality phase and when it is negative is in meridionality phase. Periods of negative NAO usually show significant Northern blocking with high pressure especially around Iceland/Greenland
What behaves similar to periods of negative or positive NAO related to climate?
The PDO while in its long positive mode usually leads to mainly positive NAO. The PDO in long negative mode usually leads to mainly negative NAO. The PDO resembles the ENSO in a way and this is the natural cycle of discharging solar energy around ocean surface currents. There you have the link between jet stream zonality / medridonality and solar energy.
Merionality has increased over recent years since the PDO went negative and this was incorrectly blamed on decreasing Arctic sea ice by some.
richardscourtney says: @ur momisugly January 19, 2014 at 11:16 am
Gail Combs: Thankyou…
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Richard, although my bias shows at times, I really hope people can see past the “Let’s You and He Fight” crap of the totalitarians. They use “Socialism” or “Capitalism” to push their goals of Global Governance but they actually are neither. “Socialism” just fits into their plans better. “Capitalism” has been dead for over 100 years if it ever really existed in the first place, but they use the term “Free Market” as if Capitalism was still alive.
As far as I can tell Socialism, Capitalism, and Anarchism all suffer from the same fatal flaw. The human race is a mix of predators, parasites and prey. The predators/sociopaths rise to the top of all governments because they have no morals and the amoral parasites tag-along to help them suck the lifeblood from the ordinary folk who are their prey .
Lockwood and Green are BBC stalwarts. Green’s uni is so far left they have fallen off our flat earth. Lockwood is still in the pay of gov grants and has been repeating the same meme whenever the BBC need him.
Anthony Watts says:
January 19, 2014 at 12:06 pm
Leif, Please check your email – Anthony
Done.
@Julian in Wales
“I think the BBC are too thick skinned to notice complaints about bias.”
It’s not hick skin it’s arrogance. You plebs know nothing so shut up and let us intelligent people get on with our work.
I remember several years ago when they introduced their current ‘fly around the country’ graphics for weather forecasts. There were a very large number of complaints but they simply said ” we have bought the software so we will use it. Even now you see the forecasters struggling with when the weather becomes problematic.