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Global Warming was just one issue The Club of Rome (TCOR) targeted in its campaign to reduce world population. In 1993 the Club’s co-founder, Alexander King with Bertrand Schneider wrote The First Global Revolution stating,
“The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”
They believe all these problems are created by humans but exacerbated by a growing population using technology. “Changed attitudes and behavior” basically means what it has meant from the time Thomas Malthus raised the idea the world was overpopulated. He believed charity and laws to help the poor were a major cause of the problem and it was necessary to reduce population through rules and regulations. TCOR ideas all ended up in the political activities of the Rio 1992 conference organized by Maurice Strong (a TCOR member) under the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP).
The assumptions and objectives became the main structure of Agenda 21, the master plan for the 21st Century. The global warming threat was confronted at Rio through the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) and creation of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). It was structured to predetermine scientific proof that human CO2 was one contribution of the “common enemy”.
The IPCC was very successful. Despite all the revelations about corrupted science and their failed predictions (projections) CO2 remains central to global attention about energy and environment. For example, several websites, many provided by government, list CO2 output levels for new and used cars. Automobile companies work to build cars with lower CO2 output and, if for no other reason than to appear green, use it in advertising. The automotive industry, which has the scientists to know better, collectively surrenders to eco-bullying about CO2. They are not alone. They get away with it because they pass on the unnecessary costs to a befuddled “trying to do the right thing” population.
TCOR applied Thomas Malthus’s claim of a race to exhaustion of food to all resources. Both Malthus and COR believe limiting population was mandatory. Darwin took a copy of Malthus’s Essay on Population with him and remarked on its influence on his evolutionary theory in his Beagle journal in September 1838. The seeds of distortion about overpopulation were sown in Darwin’s acceptance of Malthus’s claims.
Paul Johnson’s biography of Charles Darwin comments on the contradiction between Darwin’s scientific methods and his acceptance of their omission in Malthus.
Malthus’s aim was to discourage charity and reform the existing poor laws, which, he argued, encourage the destitute to breed and so aggravated the problem. That was not Darwin’s concern. What struck him was the contrast between geometrical progression (breeding) and arithmetical progression (food supplies). Not being a mathematician he did not check the reasoning and accuracy behind Malthus’s law… in fact, Malthus’s law was nonsense. He did not prove it. He stated it. What strikes one reading Malthus is the lack of hard evidence throughout. Why did this not strike Darwin? A mystery. Malthus’s only “proof” was the population expansion of the United States.
There was no point at which Malthus’s geometrical/arithmetical rule could be made to square with the known facts. And he had no reason whatsoever to extrapolate from the high American rates to give a doubling effect every 25 years everywhere and in perpetuity.
He swallowed Malthusianism because it fitted his emotional need, he did not apply the tests and deploy the skepticism that a scientist should. It was a rare lapse from the discipline of his profession. But it was an important one.
Darwin’s promotion of Malthus undoubtedly gave the ideas credibility they didn’t deserve. Since then the Malthusian claim has dominated science, social science and latterly environmentalism. Even now many who accept the falsity of global warming due to humans continue to believe overpopulation is a real problem.
Overpopulation was central in all TCOR’s activities. Three books were important to their message, Paul Ehrlich’s The Population Bomb (1968) and Ecoscience: Population, Resources and Environment (1977) co-authored with John Holdren, Obama’s Science Czar, and Meadows et al., Limits to Growth, published in 1972 that anticipated the IPCC approach of computer model predictions (projections). The latter wrote
If the present growth trends in world population, industrialization, pollution, food production, and resource depletion continue unchanged, the limits to growth on this planet will be reached sometime within the next one hundred years.
Here is what the TCOR web site says about the book.
They created a computing model which took into account the relations between various global developments and produced computer simulations for alternative scenarios. Part of the modelling were different amounts of possibly available resources, different levels of agricultural productivity, birth control or environmental protection.
They estimated the current amount of a resource, determined the rate of consumption, and added an expanding demand because of increasing industrialization and population growth to determine, with simple linear trend analysis, that the world was doomed.
Economist Julian Simon challenged TCOR and Ehrlich’s assumptions.
In response to Ehrlich’s published claim that “If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000” – a proposition Simon regarded as too silly to bother with – Simon countered with “a public offer to stake US$10,000 … on my belief that the cost of non-government-controlled raw materials (including grain and oil) will not rise in the long run.”
Simon proposed,
You could name your own terms: select any raw material you wanted – copper, tin, whatever – and select any date in the future, “any date more than a year away,” and Simon would bet that the commodity’s price on that date would be lower than what it was at the time of the wager.
John Holdren selected the materials and the time. Simon won the bet.
Global warming used the idea that CO2 would increase to harmful levels because of increasing industrialization and expanding populations. The political manipulation of climate science was linked to development and population control in various ways. Here are comments from a PBS interview with Senator Tim Wirth in response to the question, “What was it in the late 80s, do you think, that made the issue [of global warming] take off?” He replied,
I think a number of things happened in the late 1980s. First of all, there were the [NASA scientist Jim] Hansen hearings [in 1988]. … We had introduced a major piece of legislation. Amazingly enough, it was an 18-part climate change bill; it had population in it, conservation, and it had nuclear in it. It had everything that we could think of that was related to climate change. … And so we had this set of hearings, and Jim Hansen was the star witness.
Wikipedia says about Wirth,
In the State Department, he worked with Vice President Al Gore on global environmental and population issues, supporting the administration’s views on global warming. A supporter of the proposed Kyoto Protocol Wirth announced the U.S.’s commitment to legally binding limits on greenhouse gas emissions.
Gore chaired the 1988 “Hansen” Senate Hearing and was central to the promotion of population as basic to all other problems. He led the US delegation to the September 1994 International Conference on Population and Development in Cairo Egypt.
That conference emerged from Rio 1992 where they linked population to all other supposed problems.
Explicitly integrating population into economic and development strategies will both speed up the pace of sustainable development and poverty alleviation and contribute to the achievement of population objectives and an improved quality of life of the population.
This theme was central to Rio+20 held in June 2012 and designed to re-emphasize Rio 1992.
The Numbers
The world is not overpopulated. That fallacy is perpetuated in all environmental research, policy and planning including global warming and latterly climate change. So what are the facts about world population?
The US Census Bureau provides a running estimate of world population. It was 6,994,551,619 on February 15, 2012. On October 30, 2011 the UN claimed it passed 7 billion; the difference is 5,448,381. This is more than the population of 129 countries of the 242 listed by Wikipedia. It confirms most statistics are crude estimates, especially those of the UN who rely on individual member countries, yet no accurate census exists for any of them
Population density is a more meaningful measure. Most people are concentrated in coastal flood plains and deltas, which are about 5 percent of the land. Compare Canada, the second largest country in the world with approximately 35.3 million residents estimated in 2013 with California where an estimated 37.3 million people lived in 2010. Some illustrate the insignificance of the density issue by putting everyone in a known region. For example, Texas at 7,438,152,268,800 square feet divided by the 2012 world population 6,994,551,619 yields 1063.4 square feet per person. Fitting all the people in an area is different from them being able to live there. Most of the world is unoccupied by humans.
Population geographers separate ecumene, the inhabited area, from non-ecumene the uninhabited areas. The distribution of each changes over time because of technology, communications and food production capacity. Many of these changes deal with climate controls. Use of fire and clothing allowed survival in colder regions, while irrigation offset droughts and allowed settlement in arid regions. Modern environmentalists would likely oppose all of these touted evolutionary advances.
Ironically The Fallacious Problem is The Solution
It all sounds too familiar in the exploitation of science for a political and personal agenda. But there is an even bigger tragedy because the development the TCOR and IPCC condemn is actually the solution.
All of the population predictions Ehrlich and others made were wrong, but more important and damning was they ignored another pattern that was identified in 1929 and developed over the same period as the Mathusian claims. It is known as the Demographic Transition.
It shows and statistics confirm, population declines as nations industrialize and the economy grows. It is so dramatic in developed countries that the population pyramid results in insufficient young people to support the massively expensive social programs for the elderly. Some countries offset this with migration, but they are simply creating other problems. Countries that don’t allow or severely limit migration such as Japan face completely different problems. Some countries offer incentives for having more than two children, such as the announcement by Vladimir Putin in Russia. China took draconian, inhuman, steps by limiting families to one child. The irony, although there is nothing funny about it, is they are now the largest producer of CO2 and their economy booms. If they had simply studied the demographic transition and let things take a normal course the tragedies already incurred and yet to unfold could have been avoided.
The world is not overpopulated. Malthus began the idea suggesting the population would outgrow the food supply. Currently food production is believed sufficient to feed 25 billion people and growing. The issue is that in the developing world some 60 percent of production never makes it to the table. Developed nations cut this figure to 30 percent primarily through refrigeration. In their blind zeal those who brought you the IPCC fiasco cut their teeth on the technological solution to this problem – better and cheaper refrigeration. The CFC/ ozone issue was artificially created to ban CFCs and introduce global control through the Montreal Protocol. It, like the Kyoto Protocol was a massive, expensive, unnecessary solution to a non-existent problem.
TCOR and later UNEP’s Agenda 21 adopted and expanded the Malthusian idea of overpopulation to all resources making it the central tenet of all their politics and policies. The IPCC was set up to assign the blame of global warming and latterly climate change on human produced CO2 from an industrialized expanding population. They both developed from false assumptions, used manipulated data and science, which they combined into computer models whose projections were, not surprisingly, wrong. The result is the fallacy of global warming due to human CO2 is a subset built on the fallacy of overpopulation.
None of you know your history,not in astronomy and not in terrestrial sciences where evolutionary biology and evolutionary geology literally began at the same time .Not a single mention of Archbishop Steno who came up with the notion of superposition where the older rock strata are below newer layers and that marine fossils found on mountaintops were originally on the sea floor –
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/steno.html
Not a single mention in the Wikipedia article on evolution and even though it is the equivalent of ignoring Copernicus in discovering the right arguments for the motions of the Earth,there is a definite reason for that omission .
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/smith.html
Here were two perfectly intertwined disciplines where the interpreters had already pieced together the outlines of a wonderful story about the biological and geological past but empiricists are aggressive and inserted a ’cause’ for evolution based on nothing more on a social commentary meant to justify national tyranny and invasion.
The ‘global warming’ mess and the way it has developed over the last decade or so is a symptom of a much bigger problem where people’s views are so narrow on both sides that they only see each other’s wants and hates and never the subject material free and clear of prejudices.
Can you be more specific about “worldwide” “on average” “cultures” “believe” “outpopulating other cultures”?
The warfare you talk of, is it happening in all African countries?
See my other comments.
Here is a story which one should think about. It relates to the panic over the population issue. It shows how humans manage time and again to get out of sometimes literally ‘sticky’ situations.
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If your’re going to quote please be honestT
The real quote from the club of rome:
http://www.archive.org/download/TheFirstGlobalRevolution/TheFirstGlobalRevolution.pdf
The common enemy of humanity is Man
In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill.
In their totality and their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat which must be confronted by everyone together. But in designating these dangers as the enemy, we fall into the trap, which we have already warned readers about, namely mistaking symptoms for causes.
All these dangers are caused by human intervention In natural processes. and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then is humanity itself.
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somewhat different!
Here in the UK population growth is having many adverse impacts right now. Our countryside is being swallowed by housing at an alarming rate, wildlife is driven into ever-smaller pockets or rendered extinct, sports and leisure are curtailed (one playing field is lost every 3 weeks to housing), and house prices are driven ever-higher as demand exceeds supply.
Farther afield, the countries with highest population growth are among the world’s most poverty-stricken – think Yemen, Mali, Horn of Africa, Haiti, Pakistan. Moreover the resultant millions of unemployed youth are ripe for recruitment by extremists making these same countries among the most dangerously unstable.
@Patrick Guinness Frank
I just wanted to give a thumbs up to your comments. I think I’ve seen your comments before and many times disagreed, but this time you are spot on. [I may be misremembering as well 😉 ]. We shouldn’t be too smug in making fun of these past predictions. Population crashes did regularly occur in the past. It’s reasonable to assume they will occur again in the future. While Doomsday culture was way off the mark this time around, their was good reason to think the proposed outcome was probable.
It should caution us though in being too certain in what we consider to be ‘obvious’ consequences, and we should generally assume that things take longer to occur than we think they will; especially when it comes to the ingenuity of man in delaying the inevitable. The US debt crisis provides a good modern day example. That there will be a serious debt crisis ‘seems’ obvious. That it would be delayed over and over, (growing the problem at the same time), was not.
Like Tim says though, it should be also be clear now that the solution to poverty and population crashes is more CO2 usage, more energy use, more praise of technology and less romanticizing of ancient hunter-gatherer cultures and their myth of sustainability (they had population crashes on an almost regular basis).
This all seems to tell us that to both sides of the argument people are not individuals but units to be administered or not by one group or another. What if individuals matter? After all contributers to this blog feel that their opinions matter so they must think they themselves are individuals who matter. or they would not bother to set up the computer. This is the devilish thinking of the social historian who sees amorphous groups not people peforming actions. But what would I know I’m just an individual and don’t matter at all.
( and I mean devilish)
…it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome.
OK. The COR has to change its attitudes and behaviors.
Ian Wilson:
Please explain the point you intend with your post at January 6, 2014 at 11:10 am.
Richard
Gail Combs,
I noticed your dialog on education and childbearing.
Regarding the subject of educated females and their childbearing rates, I have had the opportunity to become acquainted with one segment of the educated female population; females in the process of becoming US educated, certified and licensed medical doctors.
It is not uncommon that they somehow find creative ways have multiple children during the sequence of going from 4 years of undergraduate science degree programs on to 4 years of intense medical school then on to 4 – 6 years of very very demanding hospital residency requirements to practice in their profession.
It is a testimony to the human mind to see their determination, resiliency and imagination in pursuing both a highly cherished multi-child family and also the goal of a high level of education/training that is competitive with the males.
We need to look at individual population segments in rational discussions on subjects like child bearing and education / professional achievement.
John
Jimbo says:
January 6, 2014 at 8:59 am
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Thanks, haven’t had a chance to check the links out yet but I was aware there is a reverse migration for two reasons.
Employment in the USA sucks (`23% unemployment) so less chance of finding a job.
China is becoming more expensive so when you add in transportation to USA markets, Mexico has now become a better spot for manufacturing.
Welcome to the itinerant labor force… Pensions?, long term employment? – FORGET IT!
Thanks for exposing the ugly Malthusian subtext of the climate change movement, which benefits the elite at the expense of the poor. Is the climate change movement the grandson of the eugenics movement?
Even though global population growth will eventually level off as a result of sensible economic development there are, judging by ‘The Georgia Guidestones’ (see Wiki link below), still plenty of nutters with money and resources out there who want population DECIMATION, not stability. To quote guideline principle number 1:
“Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature”
That is a substantial reduction from present population levels and would make past genocides look like a troublesome head cold by comparison…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
Tim, this is one of the most important posts ever to appear on WUWT in my 6 or 7 years visiting.
I have often tried to point out that the Political and theoretical issues trump the science issues totally, but scientsts and engieers are notoriously blinded by various prejudices and the fact that they are very busy. I am glad you took the time to do this. A+! Paul Johnson is one of America’s greatest and most original historians. He is clearly wrong about some issues but he takes the stances demanded by what he knows, which is a lot. I stil lug his heavy books around with me.
We can see how narrow a view many here have just looking at the comments. People seem to forget that looking out their window and seeing something like snow means it is a universal phenomenon! People here are talking about China,and India, as if you had forgotten they exist!
It’s as if every one of the hundreds of eyes on a fly had its own consciousness and each single eye was the totality of perception! Most people who talk about population reduction have no clue how dangerous and irresponsible their chatter is, because it is accepted as having merit, when in truth, it is ignorant,and unscientific. Phil, who accuses you of not reading correctly is typical of the many people who keep their own eyes closed while reading. Maybe your mind is going, Phil, go read Malthus again, but with eyes open. It really helps.
Dr. Ball’s article, and many of the comments made on it, remind me of the arguments about the number of angels who can occupy the head of a needle. I’d like to remind them of the parable of the seven fat cows and the seven thin cows.
Even IF we currently have the capacity (although this has yet to be demonstrated) to adequately feed 7 billion people (and their work animals and pets) , the critical question for the survival and progress of humanity, which Dr. Ball fails to address, is how much reserve supply of food, and fuel for transport, heating, and cooking do we have, and what redundancy is there in our system of distribution of these essentials for life?
For almost all of the developed world, the lifeline of food and fuel is consists of “just in time” distribution by a complex system of motorized transport for which there is no redundancy. It is a delicate house of cards that may be brought down by solar EMP, extreme volcanism, an asteroid impact, a sudden onset ice age, or even “just” a global epidemic, possibly beyond any hope of recovery.
I have seen several popular “documentaries” about some of these threats, but never any serious attempt at estimating the effective food reserve our major cities would have, were the supply lines cut off, especially if power were also lost for refrigeration. So I’ll just take a wild stab at guesstimating that most urban centres will have less than a week’s supply of food on hand. What happens after that runs out, and there is no resupply?
Humanity is growing like Topsy while crawling out onto an ever thinner branch. And how much bare land is under that branch won’t be any solace to it when the branch breaks and our civilization goes “SPLAT!”. The best hope for humanity, realistically, is that it breaks sooner, rather than later, perhaps leaving us some amount of viable culture and infrastructure and some remnants of unpolluted soil and water for continued existence.
Ian Wilson says:
January 6, 2014 at 11:10 am
Here in the UK population growth….
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How much of that population growth is due to immigration of population with high birth rates?
The CIA reports the United Kingdom otal fertility rate is 1.90 so your population should be decreasing.
You seem to have the same thing happening there as happens in the USA. For the United States the total fertility rate is 2.06. link
The break down by race Pew Reports is
White – 1.8
Hispanic – 2.4
Black -2.1
Aisan – 1.8
It is not in that report, but another report mentioned the Hispanic birth rate in the USA was higher because they felt more economical comfortable and able to provide for their children.
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Alan Robertson, That snow ball just missed you. link
Sheilaclicks
‘Global warming’ is a pale imitation of Newton’s agenda and few have that kind of intelligence and knowledge of the historical and technical details to go through the infancy of mathematical modeling which began in earnest with the ‘theory of gravity’. When a ‘theory ‘ surfaces that explain so much with so little and where the precepts are vague ,it is certain that distortions and manipulations are involved .For instance ‘global warming’ explains floods and drought,cold snaps and heatwaves or any opposite event or condition.
“To explain: The Newtonian Gravity — a law of Nature — a law whose existence as such no one out of Bedlam questions — a law whose admission as such enables us to account for nine-tenths of the Universal phaenomena — a law which, merely because it does so enable us to account for these phaenomena, we are perfectly willing, without reference to any other considerations, to admit, and cannot help admitting, as a law — a law, nevertheless, of which neither the principle nor the modus operandi of the principle, has ever yet been traced by the human analysis — a law, in short, which, neither in its detail nor in its generality, has been found susceptible of explanation at all — is at length seen to be at every point thoroughly explicable, provided we only yield our assent to — what? To an hypothesis? Why if an hypothesis — if the merest hypothesis — if an hypothesis for whose assumption — as in the case of that pure hypothesis the Newtonian law itself — no shadow of a priori reason could be assigned — if an hypothesis, even so absolute as all this implies, would enable us to perceive a principle for the Newtonian law — would enable us to understand as satisfied, conditions so miraculously — so ineffably complex and seemingly irreconcileable as those involved in the relations of which Gravity tells us, — what rational being Could so expose his fatuity as to call even this absolute hypothesis an hypothesis any longer — unless, indeed, he were to persist in so calling it, with the understanding that he did so, simply for the sake of consistency in words?” Edgar Allan Poe
I have traced the process of what Sir Isaac tried to do while his followers merely took advantage of his voodoo and turned it into a lifestyle based on modeling. What a con job done at the expense of genuine astronomy and the insights of the great astronomers,particularly Copernicus and Galileo.
‘Global warming ‘ is merely a symptom of a Royal Society empiricism and its aggressive approach to astronomy and terrestrial sciences. You play around and feel useful/important but the opposition own the education system so you are simply not up to that higher level of intelligence to know the consequences of that.
The TCOR/Malthusian movement ARE pulling the rug from under our civilization.
You can observe this on may area’s in our economy, our financial system.
The current monetary policy of zero interest rates and Quantitative Easing increasing debt to be shouldered by the tax payer while at the same time the amount of credit available for the real economy is decreased. Most of this money generated out of thin air is distributed into the world wide casino while at home the entire middle class, the job engine of the internal market is rooted out.
We see this in the US and Europe.
Epa with insane requirements for CO2 emissions for vehicles that already hit a brick wall.
Epa with insane policies for detergents and bug killers resulting in a bed bug explosion on 5 star hotels.
The subsidized export of manufacturing industry and jobs abroad and the taxes on imported products like car tires.
The lunatic quest for a carbon tax and “sustainable energy” projects that don’t deliver but drive up electricity prices.
The bio fuel mandate resulting in food riots all over the world resulting in the Arab Spring revolution.
The mafia like introduction of Obamacare.
The permanent lock up of (strategic)resources and the depopulation of the rural area’s.
The war on coal.
The abuse of the Constitution and the Bill of rights.
The totally mad foreign policies.
The total corruption on any level of Government, the corruption of Government institutions, from NASA to NCDC, universities etc. (Climate Change)
The spying scams resulting in billions of losses for the US IT industry.
The way whistle blowers are treated and those who are skeptic about government policies or who dare to to oppose the “political correct” doctrine of US, UN and US politics.
Just to mention a few.
It’s a slippery slop and we’re gaining speed.
Wow…. I had a meeting with Bertrand Schneider in Toronto and dinner in Paris and we ended hosting the first meeting of ICLEI… They are monsters parading around as charming Frenchmen…
I am very, very sorry.
otropogo,
“Humanity is growing like Topsy while crawling out onto an ever thinner branch. And how much bare land is under that branch won’t be any solace to it when the branch breaks and our civilization goes “SPLAT!””
Not true, current UN world population projections have world population topping out shy of 10 billion around 2050 and declining there after. World population growth has been decelerating for at least 50 years.
Tobias, didn’t you know that Bill Gates’ father was a proponent of a sick and twisted idea regarding the eart’s future? I have no doubt Junior shares those views. The fact that rapacious predatory people like Carnegie or Gates or Kennedy give away money seemingly, does not mean they have turned nice! They are using tax exempt foundations to implement policy and they are not going to argue the point with anyone here. Unless those foundations are taken on, we will never have a free society or much of a future either.
Ian Schumacher says: @ur momisugly January 6, 2014 at 11:16 am
… We shouldn’t be too smug in making fun of these past predictions. Population crashes did regularly occur in the past. It’s reasonable to assume they will occur again in the future….
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Mother Nature is still in control….
GregS says:
January 5, 2014 at 3:19 pm
Global warming appears to be exaggerated, but I’m all for reducing world population, and I’m fed up with growth for growth’s sake.
Then you’re fed up with something that doesn’t exist. Growth for growth’s sake? WTF?
John Whitman says: @ur momisugly January 6, 2014 at 11:54 am
….It is a testimony to the human mind to see their determination, resiliency and imagination in pursuing both a highly cherished multi-child family and also the goal of a high level of education/training that is competitive with the males.
We need to look at individual population segments in rational discussions on subjects like child bearing and education / professional achievement.
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I certainly agree. One PhD chemist, I worked with had her husband elect to stay home and become a ‘house-husband’ to care for their infant.
Female Doctors having kids during training does not surprise me a bit. We are near Chapel Hill NC and do birthdays parties for them. The most memorable was in the pouring rain using umbrellas to keep the kids dry. Due to tight schedules another day was not an option.
Determined? Yes – VERY!
Peter Taylor says:
“Dr Ball is no development expert and has little grasp of human ecology and the ecosystems that support mankind – I wish this site would restrict itself to climate science. When it strays into these zones where most have little comprehension but a lot of prejudgements the whole thing gets very messy.”
This is just te kind of know-nothing approach that is so dangerous, arrogant and not even wrong.
Tim Ball has a far better idea of the subject than you show here, with your simplistic and beblinkered POV. Theory is part of science, Dumbkopf! Are you really that backward? Maybe you have missed a hundred years of physics.