The Cli-Tanic #spiritofmawson Hotsheet for Sunday January 5th

The gift that just keeps on giving.

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Bishop Hill writes:

I did wonder if applying the “Ship of Fools” tag to Chris Turney and his shipmates wasn’t just a bit rude, but take a look at this video (below), recorded before his departure, in which he talks about the trip. You have to say that Turney does not come over well. And to spend most of the interview discussing the life and death nature of the expedition and the hardships they will face, before revealing that he is taking his wife and family along, is almost too much.

You can see how the trip might end in a shambles.

Turney_before_spiritofmawson

There is a transcript also. Click image for video and transcript.

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Who Is Behind The Ship Of Fools? The Spectator, 4 January 2014

Ross Clark, The Spectator

As Chris Turney and his colleagues make their way home from their failed adventure, the next question is: who is going to be paying for their folly?  It certainly isn’t the general public. The efforts by Turney and his co-leader Chris Fogwill to crowd-fund money have been an embarrassing failure. They were seeking to raise $49,000 in this way – a small fraction of the $1.5 million overall costs – but they managed to raise a mere $1,000 from 22 people.

Not even the promise of a signed copy of Turney’s book, 1912: the year the World Discovered Antarctica was enough to tempt donors into action: not a single one chose to receive the book.

British taxpayers, needless to say, have dipped in their toes. One of the sponsors is the University of Exeter, Professor Turney’s previous employer. The university is fast on its way to taking over from the University of East Anglia as the global warming lobby’s chief mouthpiece. Universities claim to have fallen on hard times but there seems to be no lack of money when it comes to broadcasting the global warming lobby’s case:  Exeter has just launched a ‘massive open online course’ on climate change which the public are all invited to sign up – all for free. I don’t think I would be pleased about that if I was paying £9,000-a-year tuition fees for one of Exeter’s other course.

Another question that needs to be asked about Turney’s expedition is how come the only journalists aboard are from the Guardian, which has sent two reporters, the BBC and Radio New Zealand – all eager mouthpieces of the global warming lobby.   I would be fascinated to know if anyone else was invited.

The timing of the publication of a paper by Turney’s current employer, the University of New South Wales, is also fascinating. That appeared in Nature on 1 January, claiming that current climate models under-estimate the level of warming, which could reach 4C by 2100.

As I noted here on Thursday, as the world fails to warm, the greater faith seems to be put into faulty climate models which so far have proved wrong in many respects – among them predicting ever hotter and drier summers for the UK, the exact opposite of the trend of the past decade. As a sign of just how far the climate debate has veered away from genuine science into ideological nonsense, have a look at this quote:

‘In sum, a strategy must recognise what is possible. In climate research and modelling, we should recognise that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.’

Any ideas where it comes from? The IPCC report of 2001, when that body still recognised that predictions of the sort made by Turney’s colleagues are fantasy.

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WUWT Reader LeAnn (Quin Tessential) writes to us suggesting that things aren’t as they seem to be:

According to all I’ve read, researched, recorded, and documented… I’m beginning to think that there is NO WAY that the Akademik Shokalskiy got anywhere near the open polyna at Mertz glacier. That (could) mean that Chris Turney reported that the ship was somewhere that it never really arrived at.

From “thesargasso”

From the http://thesargasso.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2013-12-28T20:38:00-08:00&max-results=7

DATA ON CAPE DE LA MOTT:

De la Motte, Cape

Country USA Latitude 67° 00′ 00.0″ S -67.000 Longitude 144° 25′ 00.0″ E 144.417

A prominent cape separating Watt and Buchanan Bays. Just southward the continental ice surface rises 520 m at Mount Hunt. Charted by the AAE (1911-14) under Douglas Mawson, who named it for C.P. de la Motte, third officer on the expedition ship this cape is “Point Case,” which the USEE (1838-42) under Lt. Charles Wilkes saw from what was called “Disappointment Bay” on Jan. 23, 1840.

A prominent cape west of the Mertz Glacier on the coast of George V Land. Discovered by AAE (1911-14) under Sir Douglas Mawson, who named it after C P de la Motte, a member of the expedition.

Also from the Sargasso.blogspot.com website-

SOS ANTARCTICA–THE FATE OF THE AKADEMIK SHOKALSKIY

“The 620 dwt research vessel Akademik Shokalskiy became trapped in ice off the coast of Antarctica near Stillwell Island.  The Akademik Shokalskiy had been at anchor 40 miles off Mawson’s Hut on Cape Denison, Antarctica with 74 people when it departed for the Mertz glacier.  The vessel became stuck in heavy ice floes as it approached Cape de la Motte.”

Based on the maps of the Antarctic coastline provided by the Sargasso website AND the interactive google maps on both the guardian.com on Alok Jha’s posts about the expedition AND the one on www.spiritofmawson.com-the expedition NEVER went further down the coastline than Cape de la Motte.

So when Chris Turney says that they made it into “the open water polynya” on the Mertz glacier, he’s either completely mistaken about where his group actually made shore, or he’s lying.

According to the blog entries on the www.spiritofmawson.com, AND a livefeed interview with Chris Turney himself on December 22-there was a blizzard coming in and the ice was closing around them.

See Chris Turney himself-

The above YouTube video titled “Farewell to Mawson’s Base (Cape Denison) which was streamed live on Dec 22,2013. It’s an interview with Chris Turney standing on board the ship in howling wind, sub degree weather, yelling into his mic, and you actually SEE the zodiac zip past behind him on the open ice behind him.

At 1:58 in the video he says:

“We knew this bad weather was coming in”. He goes on “We’re basically here at the base of Mertz Glacier, and we’re basically being hammered by a blizzard.”

You can also see the zodiac running back and forth behind him and people walking on the ice near the ship.

According to the blog entry made by Peter and Judy Stevenson, on December 22, 2013- We know this:

“The journey today is to move east around the large B9B iceberg. This will take all day and into tomorrow, hopefully placing us at the shore edge of the Mertz glacier and Stillwell Island area, and providing the opportunity to step onto the Antarctic continent.”

Now. …IF the ship had to travel EAST, “around” the B09B iceberg towards the Mertz Glacier, then that means that it previously been anchored somewhere to the WEST of the iceberg that blocks the entrance to Commonwealth Bay. And that trip was supposed to take “all day and into tomorrow” which would make their arrival at the Mertz glacier on December 23rd.

In the video,Chris said they were at the base of the Mertz glacier on the 22nd. The passengers say ON the 22nd that they are more than a day away from it.

Chris’s twitter feed shows this entry on the 21st

http://fms.ws/E_LuU

Off to Mertz Glacier.-2degC, -11degC wind ch

Hours later on his twitter feed, he shows a video from Alok Jha showing them passing ICEBERGS between the shoreline and the ship-since the ice and land are on the ships starboard side, it indicates the ship was headed in the direction of the Mertz glacier, away from Commonwealth Bay.

Chris Turney@ProfChrisTurney 22 Dec

We’re passing some fantastic looking ice bergs! #spiritofmawson Alok Jha https://vine.co/v/hEJq7utbQj7

On the 22nd-twitter feed-

Chris Turney@ProfChrisTurney 22 Dec

http://fms.ws/F0K8_

Blizzard. -4degC, -15degC wind chill.

There are NO twitter entries for December 23, and only ONE on the 24th. Why would a scientist on a historical expedition who had done nothing but tweet and blog and record videos suddenly STOP communicating at ALL for two days?

And we know from both maps that the ship didn’t make it past Cape de la Motte-which it would have to to reach the “open water polyna” on Mertz Glacier.

Yet Chris Turney said this on Dec 26th in a blog post on www.spiritofmawson.com-

“Following our successful visit to Cape Denison, sea ice remained clear, allowing our science expedition to proceed to the Mertz Glacier and open water polynya on the other side of Commonwealth Bay. Good conditions allowed the team to reach the Hodgeman Islets to continue our science programme and make comparisons to our findings around Mawson’s Hut. We managed to collect a range of samples for three of the science teams on these rarely visited islands; a fantastic result. The distance from the land to the sea ice edge is only 5 kilometres, providing an excellent test of the impact of the large sea ice extent around Cape Denison.

Supported by volunteers on board, our teams investigated marine mammals, ornithology, glaciology while oceanographic work continued on board. Kerry-Jayne Wilson of the Blue Penguin Trust found the penguin colony on the Hodgeman Islets is thriving, demonstrating the distance the Mawson Hut Adelie penguins have to travel is a major factor in the fall of numbers. Tracey Rogers of UNSW also obtained the largest number of seal blubber samples on the expedition while Eleanor Rainsley collected geological samples that will provide an invaluable insight into the history of the East Antarctic Ice Sheet. Returning to the Shokalskiy, conditions started to close in and we quickly loaded the vehicles on to the vessel.”

And then in the Guardian article where he tries to justify the trip, he said this:

“Unfortunately, events unfolded which no amount of preparation can mitigate. To provide a comparison with the samples we collected in the Mawson Hut area, we relocated the vessel to the Mertz Glacier area in the east, a major driver of ocean circulation and importantly an area where the continent is closer to the sea ice edge. Late on 23 December, we returned to the Shokalskiy. We had completed our work programme on the continent and were heading north into open water to continue the oceanographic work on the return home.

Unluckily for us, there appears to have been a mass breakout of thick, multiyear sea ice on the other side of the Mertz Glacier; years after the loss of the Mertz Glacier tongue. There was nothing to suggest this event was imminent”

More damning evidence? In the numbered Australasian Antarctic Expedition 2013 videos on youtube, you will see Parts 13 and 14 showing the trip to Mawson’s huts, and Part 15 shows the first mayday call from the ship. Where is the day or TWO days that is supposed to be between the Mawson trips and being stuck in the ice? Where’s video footage showing the groups on shore collecting samples? Or any photographs from them? Or even ONE of the Mertz Glacier they are supposedly so close to? Was Turney actually in Watts Bay (oh the irony) or Buchannan Bay when he thought he was near the glacier?

Something’s wrong here.

UPDATE:

For the record, the lack of any publicly available and accurate log  (the Live EXPEDITION Tracker on spiritofmawson.com is woefully incomplete) makes interpreting the expedition times and dates a murky proposition at best, and leaves interested parties to interpret other available evidence, such as blog posts, Twitter entries, and other anecdotal records. In that process, along with time zones, and the way certain web pages might log times differently, confusion is likely to set in. In the above third piece by LeAnn, there are some claims that can’t be substantiated either way and speculation abounds. That said, there are some things in LeAnn’s post that are probably a result of that sort of confusion due to lack of a good timeline. From my view Turney’s expedition most likely made it to Mertz glacier, but they did a poor job of documenting it. Social media really shouldn’t be the way to log a scientific expedition.

While LeAnn’s entry raises some questions that are worth seeking answers to, I would caution readers not to speculate until such time those things can be nailed down, and wait until an official expedition log is posted, so that anecdotal information can be reconciled with the official expedition log. Given the intense interest of this expedition, and the fact that it was publicly funded, I think it is incumbent on the spiritofmawson.com website to post a valid trip log so these questions about who/what/when/where can be reconciled.  I look forward to this happening.

Never attribute malice to what can be explained by simple incompetence.

– Anthony

UPDATE2: Other editorial cartoons are following Josh’s lead:

mawson_irony

Source: http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/01/global_warming_irony_global_warming_research.html

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chris y

“Was Turney actually in Watts Bay (oh the irony)…”
Classic!
🙂

The hotsheet is out of date already.
Alok Jha and Chris Turney have a history:
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/mar/13/charcoal-carbon
Bill “Wikipedia” Connolley (of all people) doesn’t quite get it either:
http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2014/01/05/the-spirit-of-mawson/

Lawrence13

I also note that the Australian video production team kept using Ralph Vaughn William’s ‘The Lark Ascending’, when surely it should have been his’ Sinfonia Antarctica’. Is that the level our MSM has dropped to. Idiots and amateurs it would seem, all round.

Lies, or incompetence,it doesn’t really matter because these are the ways of the AGW believers that we have all come to expect.
It would make a good film script for the Monty Python team, it would be hilarious if it wasn’t for the risk to the lives of the poor saps crewing the boats and rescue helicopters.
This is probably the most stupid, reckless adventure I have heard about for a long time!

There’s a couple of images here of the Mertz and Iceberg, which might help give perspective
One from 2001, and the other in 2010.
http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2014/01/04/turneys-iceberg-calved-in-1987/
BTW – Do we know where the Hodgeman Islets are?

“Unluckily for us, there appears to have been a mass breakout of thick, multiyear sea ice on the other side of the Mertz Glacier; ”
More like a mass breakout of thick “scientists”!

highfligh56433

More damning evidence? In the numbered Australasian Antarctic Expedition 2013 videos on youtube, you will see Parts 13 and 14 showing the trip to Mawson’s huts, and “Part 15 shows the first mayday call from the ship. Where is the day or TWO days that is supposed to be between the Mawson trips and being stuck in the ice? Where’s video footage showing the groups on shore collecting samples? Or any photographs from them? Or even ONE of the Mertz Glacier they are supposedly so close to? Was Turney actually in Watts Bay (oh the irony) or Buchannan Bay when he thought he was near the glacier?”
“Something’s wrong here.”
Pathological liars doing what they do best!

Patrick B.

The pre-trip video alone tells you all you need to know – Turney lacks any sense of perspective; the evocation of Shackleton and the implication that Shackleton’s leadership style was silly are as idiotic as they are offensive. None of Turney or his “crew” would have survived two days in the conditions that Shackleton and his crew endured. Shackleton’s iron will brought his men through to safety – Turney isn’t fit to even use Shackleton’s name.

WUWT Reader LeAnn (Quin Tessential) writes to us suggesting that things aren’t as they seem to be:
According to all I’ve read, researched, recorded, and documented… I’m beginning to think that there is NO WAY that the Akademik Shokalskiy got anywhere near the open polyna at Mertz glacier. That means that Chris Turney reported that the ship was somewhere that it never really arrived at.
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The supporting analysis and report following that statement shows wonderful investigation skill .
John

I’m almost embarrassed for the guy – but not quite. The repercussions from this farce will echo for a long time…I hope.

Lars P.

“Could the great British Antarctic explorer Robert Scott have survived his epic journey if he’d chosen his team more wisely? That’s the view of Professor Chris Turney from the University of NSW who is about to lead one of Australia’s largest science expeditions to the frozen continent.”
hm, ok… did we just saw how this team made a difference?:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/02/now-that-the-ship-of-fools-is-safe-in-antarctica-tough-questions-need-to-be-asked/

don

The Cli-tanic hot sheet! Boy, you could have some neo-Freudian fun with that construction. Along with the Starbucks and the companions selected for their communitarian values of sharing the wealth and hardships, did the ship come with a hot tub for tension management and facilitating nibbling among the crew?

Glenn Sliva
heysuess

I distinctly recall a couple earnest yet childish initiatives/adventures from my university days – nothing of this scope mind you. With each passing revelation and quote this surreal effort feels like deja vu.

Saw this in today’s Telegraph in Christopher Booker’s column. ”
All this is uncannily like a more dangerous rerun of the famous Catlin expedition in 2008, backed by the BBC and Prince Charles, when Pen Hadow and two other global-warming zealots set out to walk to the North Pole, again to measure how quickly the ice was melting. They were shocked to find the Arctic so cold that they soon had to be rescued by a helicopter containing David Shukman, now the BBC’s science editor, who at least made no mention of “global warming” when he came to fly them back to safety. The trouble with all these people, of course, is that instead of doing any research, they believe what they are told by the BBC and The Guardian.”

Don

Not hard to believe an “expedition” as ill-prepared as this one could have also been lost. After all, the cause of the initial entrapment of the AS (depending on what day it is in this saga) has changed. The amount of danger they were in? High; but let’s take the children along and send them ashore in a vehicle better suited for use on the farm. The amount of danger the AS, former passengers or the remaining crew was/is in? Bad enough for a “May Day,” but not bad enough to curtail the New Year’s Eve party. Missing tweets/reports? Who would have thought climate change scientists would want to hide anything?
/Sarc on: My proposed screenplay was going to be a feature film. Now it appears it will be a mini-series, as the chapters on the Polar Star (due 12 Jan.) rescue and uncovering the cover-up have yet to be written./

Jarrett Jones

This looks very much like the healthcare.gov disaster.
It is easy to talk a good game but at some point implementation occurs … or not.

Bugs Man

“You have to say that Turney does not come over well”. A masterful understatement Bishop.
Prof Turkey treats the entire escapade as a jolly wheeze, although who knows what the editorial team left out? Based upon his depicted attitude, the fool looks entirely culpable for the entire debacle.

Gail Combs

don says: @ January 5, 2014 at 10:55 am
…. the companions selected for their communitarian values of sharing the wealth and hardships, did the ship come with a hot tub for tension management and facilitating nibbling among the crew?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
We do know they had to bring an espresso machine (most important piece of scientific equipment) and they ran out of peanut butter and banana milkshakes.
I am glad the caving trips I went on never had these type of people. Of course crawling in the mud some how doesn’t have much caché so the prima donnas are few and far between.

J Martin

Not sure why it’s called the Cli-tanic as it hasn’t sunk- yet.
Though the Polar Star is certainly powerful enough to free the ships. Sadly the tax payer funded Polar Star doesn’t have a webcam that I could find, it would have been better if the Aussie icebreaker had been capable as it has a webcam. To be frank I would like to see the Polar Star fail (it won’t) and the Russians send one of their nuclear icebreakers, just to piss off those Aussies who are wimpy anti-nuclear.
Perhaps the Englishman Turney will not have a much longer career in Oz after this and will be forced to return to the grey, wet and miserable land where the Guardian newspaper is based and which I endure.

Leon Brozyna

It seems these climate activism folk talk much, say little.

SIG INT Ex

I strongly suspect the American Geophysical Union (AGU, should write Formerly Geophysical) will come to “The Ship of Fools” aid by making Turney and his colleagues Union Fellows and extol their “Science” and “Bravery” and “Public Outreach” bestowing “Media” medals and cash prizes. The AGU “President” will write a lengthy editorial in EOS and even get the US National Science Foundation involved with more medals and cash prizes. To cap it off, a visit by Turney and his colleagues to the White House to visit the National Science Advisor and a photo op with Obama.
The “missing day or two?” Can’t have Turney et al. vomiting their “egg nogg” on camera now can we.

Wm T Sherman

Per the ABC Turney interview, supposedly the Scott party were wiped out because one of the party ate slightly more than their fair share, i.e. a miscreant failed to think collectively.
But, the Scott expedition famously made the error of using horses for sledge towing instead of dogs, and after the horses died, compounded the error by drawing the sledges themselves instead of scrubbing the mission; and in general, displayed a fatal lack of expertise compared to the Amundsen expedition, which breezed to the Pole and back ahead of them. One day of missing food didn’t kill the Scott expedition. Rather, they screwed up so badly that there was no margin for error left.
But none of this is mentioned in the ABC piece. Their version is, for the want of a nail, for the want of one day of food, because of one selfish class enemy who thought individually…. I don’t think so. By operating fecklessly in a dangerous environment, Turney did indeed follow in Scott’s footsteps.

Theo Goodwin

Could it be that the reporters who accompanied Turney are participating in a cover-up?

pokerguy

OT, but on the video I couldn’t get past the sadistic mistreatment of animals as some sort of involuntary antarctic insanity. I say b.s. People can be unspeakably cruel. I’m ashamed to be a member of the human race at times…more frequently as I get older…

Rud Istvan

That the tourists might be confused about navigational details in their tweets is not surprising. But Turney should have been in regular communication with the vessel master. And the vessel master surely knew where he was at all times, via multiple methods including GPS. So there appears to be some deeper disfunction evidenced by the locational inconsistencies.

John Boles

Warmists always justify their use of carbon because it is “doing good work.” Well this proves that wrong.

norah4you

Could the reason of the misreading or misunderstanding of where the ship really went be due to the early lack of beer? They had planned to be back January 4th, but the call for more beer came way before that.
Btw. re. the Sea extent in North Pole….
…..
<strongCOMPARING AREAS
Please observe this:
Extent for North Pole Ice 31 december 2013 12.341.252 km2
Compare this with the Area of United States of America approx 9.830.000 km2
This gives us the fact that the Sea Ice Extent in North Pole in 31 december 2013 was more than 125 % of US total land area..
Please notice that the estimated figures for Ice Bear north the pole circle is 20-22,000…. this means that each Ice Bear have approximated 560 km2 each to walk on without having to meet an other Ice Bear.
That might not seem a lot when using the scale above. But please remember that the area for New York City is 1.213 km2 which gives a figure af close to half the area of New York City for each individual Ice Bear to walk on.
So Greenpeace and WWF ought to rethink the need for ‘saving the Ice Bears’ and to present where on Earth the collected money has been used!
North Pole Sea Ice Extent 31 dec 2013</A

“…Was Turney actually in Watts Bay (oh the irony) or Buchannan Bay when he thought he was near the glacier?”

You mean to say that they don’t have a clue to where they are, what they’re doing, counting or collecting?
Well, Duh!
And because they’re green through and through they got money to go pretend around Antarctica.
Kinda reminds me of a BlackAdder episode where Edmund hired a skipper (Tom Baker) to take him on a voyage of discovery only to discover the skipper usually just sails around till they run out of fresh water and are forced to drink their ___.
It does cause one to wonder two things:
Do the Russians watch BlackAdder?
Just what were those mixed drinks they were running out of?
Surely not the almost fresh water under the ice?

Remigio Fernandez-Martin

Today’s revelations and videos show clearly who is the incompetent, bungling, and ignorant idiot responsible for the Akademik Shokalskiy fiasco. Almost obscene!

Paul Coppin

I’m also curious about the “Mayday” call. What has been described everywhere about the predicament would constitute a maritime “Panpan”, not a Mayday. There should be questions being asked about the nature of the distress call. These days, emergency assistance requests at sea are automated ( although I don’t know if there is coverage in Antarctic waters). If the adventure is/was not in immediate threat to life, however inconvenienced they were, then a Mayday was a false call, and unnecessarily endangered other vessels and crew, when a more considered approach may have been made, instead of rushing to them. Yes, assistance was perhaps required – yet to be determined. It is possible the Captain had a greater concern about the hull breach than anybody has let on. Answering a Mayday has compromised the Chinese ship. Responding to a Panpan may have guided the Chinese captain to a different approach strategy.

Adam

It’s very dangerous … I think I’ll take my wife and kids with me! RAOTFLMAO!!!

Adam

And the award for Irresponsible Parent of The Year goes too…

rogerknights

Hoo Boy!
Keeps on giving . . . !
Let’s see them try to do a whitewash-inquiry on this. The Russian captain won’t let Turney get away clean.

cnxtim

The Uniiversity of NSW is living up to its common nickname, “Kensington High School” (after the suburb in which it is located) yet again.

Another Ian
Andrew30

When all has been said and done this needs to be cataloged in to the Climate Fail Files, Epic division.

rogerknights

Christmas Day (and its ax-fall) has YET TO COME for these turkeys!

artwest

Paul Coppin says:
January 5, 2014 at 11:46 am
Agreed. If it was so desperately urgent to get the “tourists” off, why isn’t it desperately urgent to get the crew off? It sounds like the greatest danger to the passengers was boredom and running out of alcohol.

Steve Oregon

The climate is fine.
Climate Science not so much.
Looking across the heap of idiocy and deceit that has defined Climate science in recent years
it appears as though it has been taken over by unethical nitwits.
This latest chapter is a hefty real world example of the reckless disregard people with no integrity
have for what should demand extreme caution and the highest interest in thoroughness.
The willy-nilly attitude by this clown is thoroughly shameless and reveals a total lack of conscience.
Other than that he seems to have had a swell time.

Reed Coray

When I watched the video, I had a vague feeling that I’d heard Professor Turney’s voice before. Then I remembered. He provided the laugh track for the Happy Days Jump the Shark episode.

jakee308

No ships may have sunk yet but this escapade has further ripped the seam open along the waterline of the SS CAGW (or whatever they’re calling it these days) that already was taking on water and down at the bow.
As to him having his family along, this just points out what others have mentioned: I’ll start taking these clowns seriously when they start acting like they believe their own dire predictions and put their money where their mouth is.
OH WAIT. Al Gore already has. Hasn’t he divested himself of a lot of his carbon tax sheltering schemes?
Cli-Tanic is very apropos.

Psalmon

Scandalous revision of Scott history! According to Roland Huntford, the real story is Scott took FIVE men on his final push to Pole, but they had cached stores planning for FOUR! Furthermore, Amundsen who made it to the Pole and back, marked his depots carefully with lateral markers hundreds of feet to each side of each depot so each could be found in case of a blizzard. Scott made no such preparations. Read Huntford. Scott’s worst team choice was Scott.

Carry on the Antarctic!

Jeff Alberts

Scott would have been successful if he wasn’t such a hard-headed ass. His team died for him, you can’t pick a better team, but you can pick a better leader.

Gail Combs

I wonder why he is using a fountain pen. I haven’t seen one of those in use for years.

mogamboguru

andrewmharding says:
January 5, 2014 at 10:43 am
Lies, or incompetence,it doesn’t really matter because these are the ways of the AGW believers that we have all come to expect.
It would make a good film script for the Monty Python team, it would be hilarious if it wasn’t for the risk to the lives of the poor saps crewing the boats and rescue helicopters.
This is probably the most stupid, reckless adventure I have heard about for a long time!
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This strongly reminds me of Monty Python’s “Lake Tahoe Expedition” sketch – an all-time classic:
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlN4Sh06po&w=640&h=360]

Gail Combs

Theo Goodwin says: @ January 5, 2014 at 11:27 am
Could it be that the reporters who accompanied Turney are participating in a cover-up?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Why not? They have already proven they have zero integrity.

Gail Combs

pokerguy says: @ January 5, 2014 at 11:30 am
OT, but on the video I couldn’t get past the sadistic mistreatment of animals….
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You would think there is plenty of film of Antarctic animals around. Why he chose two clips showing mistreatment and ONLY clips showing mistreatment really makes you wonder about the guy and the type of person he is trying to recruit.

Gunga Din

(Another comment vanished. No idea why. I’ll just one more time.)
I said this under another post. I think I’ll repeat it.
Gunga Din says:
January 3, 2014 at 2:26 pm
“Ship of Fools”. I’ve read it and used it as a figure of speech.
A “figure of speech” is not literal but is used to communicate the “literal” more truly than a simple statement of the literal. (i.e. “The ground is dry.” vs “The ground is thirsty.”)
Now I’m not sure in which category “Ship of Fools” belongs.
(Captain and crew excluded.)