Why did the Royal Society need secret meetings?
Guest essay by Dr. Tim Ball
Recent events underscore problems with understanding climate and how the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) achieved their deception. Comments about my recent article appreciated it was a synopsis. The problems were central in my presentation to the First Heartland Climate Conference in New York relating to climatology as a generalist discipline in a world that glorifies specialization. The dictum in academia and beyond is specialization is the mark of genius, generalization the mark of a fool. In the real world each specialized piece must fit the larger general picture and most people live and function in a generalized world. The phrase “it is purely academic” means it is irrelevant to the real world.
A secret meeting occurred between Lord Lawson of the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) and members of the British Royal Society. Why the secrecy? It is likely because this collective of specialists is scrambling to recover reputations after being misled.
Claiming they were deliberately deceived in the propaganda campaign orchestrated through the British Royal Society is no excuse. The supposed prestige of that Society was used to persuade other national Science Societies that human caused global warming was a serious and proven fact. The only Society that refused to go along was the Russian. It was a deliberately orchestrated campaign that allowed media to use the consensus argument with focus. I was frequently challenged with the interrogative in the form of a consensus argument that you must be wrong because science Societies all agree.
Climate science is the work of specialists working on one small part of climatology. It’s a classic example of not seeing the forest for the trees, amplified when computer modellers are involved. They are specialists trying to be generalists but omit major segments, and often don’t know interrelationships, interactions and feedbacks in the general picture.
Society has deified specialized academics, especially scientists. Consider the phrase “You don’t have to be a rocket scientist” used to indicate intellectual superiority. Substitute a different occupation and prejudices emerge. “You don’t have to be a farmer”. Now consider the range of specialized areas required for success on a modern farm. Then count the specializations included in Figure 1, a very simple systems diagram of weather. (Note that three “boxes” include the word “flux” but the 2007 IPCC Science report says, “Unfortunately, the total surface heat and water fluxes are not well observed.)
Ian Plimer said, studies of the Earth’s atmosphere tell us nothing about future climate.
An understanding of climate requires an amalgamation of astronomy, solar physics, geology, geochronology, geochemistry, sedimentology, tectonics, palaeontology, paleoecology, glaciology, climatology, meteorology, oceanography, ecology, archaeology and history.
Figure 1: Source: After; Climate Stabilization: For Better or for Worse? William W. Kellogg and Stephen H. Schneider, Science, Volume 186, December 27, 1974
It’s an interesting observation that underscores the dilemma. Climatology is listed as a subset, but must include all the disciplines and more. You cannot study or understand the pattern of climate over time or in a region without including them all.
A frequent charge is I have no credibility because I only have “a geography degree”. It’s, ignorant on many levels, and usually used as a sign of superiority by specialists in the “hard sciences”. My PhD was through the Geography department at Queen Mary College because climatology was traditionally part of geography. The actual degree was granted in the Faculty of Science.
Climatology, like geography is a generalist discipline studying patterns and relationships. Geography is the original integrative discipline traditionally called Chorology. In the late 1960s when I looked for a school of climatology there were effectively only two, Hubert Lamb’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at East Anglia and Reid Bryson’s program in Madison Wisconsin. Neither was a viable option, although I was privileged to consult with Professor Lamb about my thesis.
Unlike most students, instead of going through the sausage-maker machine of education I pursued my studies later and with deliberation. Environmentalism was a new paradigm changing the focus from the Darwinian view of humans as a passive to an active agent in the environment. An undergraduate course on Soils taught me the formula for soil-forming factors included parent material (rock), weather, and the letter “O” for Organic. I wondered why this included everything except humans.
Early German geography recognized the impact distinguishing Landschaft, the natural landscape, from Kulturschaft, the human landscape. Others were considering the differences. George Perkins Marsh’s work, Man and Nature (1864) and William L. Thomas’ 1956 publication Man’s Role in Changing the Face of the Earth influenced me and provided a central theme – the impact of climate on the human condition.
All three theses were deliberately designed. An Honours thesis titled, Some Philosophical Considerations of Humans as a Source of Change, considered the historical and philosophical context. The Masters thesis titled, The Significance of Grain Size and Heavy Minerals Volume Percentage as Indicators of Environmental Character, Grand Beach, Manitoba provided scientific method especially related to energy inputs in an environment. The doctorate addressed two problems in climatology. Lack of long-term weather records, which Lamb identified, and the challenge of linking historical records with instrumental records. My doctoral thesis title, Climatic Change in Central Canada: A Preliminary Analysis of Weather Information from Hudson’s Bay Company Forts at York Factory and Churchill Factory, 1714-1850 involved creating a long term record from daily journals of the Hudson Bay Company. It blended daily weather observations with instrumental records through a numerical coding for each weather variable. Once the data was digitized, statistical and scientific analysis was possible.
Lack of a “science” degree was a focus early. Immediately after a presentation to Forestry graduates at the University of Alberta a professor in the front row asked, “Is it true you were denied funding by the major agencies in Canada?” This referred to two government agencies, Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada (NSERC) and the Sciences and Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada. (SSHRC). I was not denied, I just didn’t qualify, my category of historical climatology was considered Social Science by NSERC and Science by SSHRC. Fortunately, the National Science Museum of Canada, particularly Dick Harington head of the Paleobiology division, understood the problem and provided funding.
I knew as a climatologist I needed to consult with specialists. I obeyed Wegman’s warning in his Report on the Hockey Stick fiasco.
As statisticians, we were struck by the isolation of communities such as the paleoclimate community that rely heavily on statistical methods, yet do not seem to be interacting with the mainstream statistical community. The public policy implications of this debate are financially staggering and yet apparently no independent statistical expertise was sought or used.
Consultation is essential. The challenge is to know enough to ask the right questions and understand the answers. As a climatologist I try to place each piece in the puzzle. If it doesn’t fit I consult specialists for answers.
The claim that the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) didn’t exist is a classic example of a piece that didn’t fit. Many knew it existed and Soon and Baliunas provided evidence in their article Proxy climatic and environmental changes of the past 1000 years; it’s why they were so viciously attacked. Statistician Steve McIntyre showed how the infamous “hockey stick” graph was created. The Wegman Report confirmed his findings and exposed a major misuse of statistics and dendroclimatology. The misuse of tree rings was further confirmed by a forestry expert. Few areas of IPCC climate science bear examination by specialists.
The claim that CO2 is greenhouse gas does not fit. I itemized the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) deliberate diversions to demonize CO2 for a political agenda. Years ago at a conference in Calgary I heard a skeptic challenged by a knowledgeable audience member about the claim of CO2 as a greenhouse gas (GHG). The reply was troubling. We (skeptics) would lose all credibility if we suggest CO2 is not a GHG. It is better to say it is, but the effect, especially of the human portion, is minuscule and of no consequence.
I pursued my policy asking physicists about the role of CO2 as a GHG. I thought they would agree. They didn’t. It’s partly reflected in estimates of climate sensitivity. They range from the IPCC high through those who believe it is zero to some who believe it is a negative quantity with CO2 as a cooling agent. The conflict appears to be disagreement in how temperature is modified by the physical processes involved in energy transfer. If the physics was known and agreed presumably weather and climate forecasts would work, but they don’t.
Traditional climatology included a mechanism called continentalism. It measured the modifying influence on temperature range of the distance from the ocean. Here are ranges for three Canadian cities at approximately the same latitude.
Station Maximum Minimum Range
Gander, Nfld 35.6°C -28.8°C 64.2°C
Winnipeg 40.6°C -45°C 85.6°C
Vancouver 33.3°C -17.8°C 51°C
Both Vancouver (west coast) and Gander (east coast) are close to the ocean but they are in the zone of the prevailing Westerlies. Gander experiences continental air more frequently than Vancouver. The different specific heat capacities of land and water explain the difference. Water acts to modify temperature range.
The greatest daily land temperature ranges occur in regions with very low atmospheric moisture (hot and cold deserts). Water vapour acts like the oceans to modify temperature range, as a result desert biomes record the greatest daily temperature ranges. It has nothing to do with CO2. Similarly, lowest daily temperature ranges occur in tropical rain forests where water vapour levels are highest. Total modification of global temperature range is achieved by water in all its phases.
Climatology is a generalist discipline that requires incorporating all specialist disciplines. The modern glorification of specialization allowed climate scientists to dominate by claiming their piece of a vast puzzle was critical. IPCC climate scientists misused specialized areas, especially in climate models, to achieve a predetermined result. It is only exposed when specialists examine what was done or climatologists find a piece of the puzzle that doesn’t fit.
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For the record, I don’t agree with Dr. Ball’s opinions on CO2, not being a greenhouse gas, the science is quite clear on that issue long before global warming being an issue. The only valid question is climate sensitivity – Anthony
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Self ownage by illiterate, innumerate, manic-magpie magic gassers.
Go figure.
Nullius in Verba says, November 30, 2013 at 4:44 am:
“The lapse rate sets the *gradient*, but it doesn’t set the *intercept*. The lapse rate ties the temperature at all levels of the atmosphere into a rigid structure, but this rigid structure is free-floating, and can bodily rise up and down without changing its slope. And so forces applied at the top can affect it just as easily as forces applied at the bottom. You can pump water in at the bottom of a barrel, but it’s where it spills out at the top that sets the level, and hence the pressure at the bottom.”
The surface heats first, Nullius. You see it all observational data. The surface temperature goes up or down (it changes), then a bit later the tropospheric temperature follows suit, then in the end, the OLR from the ToA changes. That’s how it works. The tropospheric temperature profile starts at the surface and climbs up through the atmospheric column to the ToA, along the course of the convective heat transfer. If the surface temperature goes up, then the tropospheric temperature profile is lifted accordingly. Not the other way around, sorry. Warming surface >> warming troposphere >> raised tropopause (because of enhanced convection to bring the heat out – and the heat radiates out to space from all levels, from surface to tropopause, not from a specific atmospheric layer). The tropospheric profile never lifts first, to raise the surface temperature, Nullius. If you believe that’s how it works, then please direct me to the empirical observational evidence from the real Earth system.
LdB you’re here to pass the “does it sound sane,
or does it sound like a manic, unemployed, troubled youth?” test.
Obviously you’re channeling #2.
People channeling #2 get laughed at.
People channeling #2 don’t demand answers.
Kristian says, December 1, 2013 at 4:56 am:
“Warming surface >> warming troposphere >> raised tropopause (because of enhanced convection to bring the heat out – and the heat radiates out to space from all levels, from surface to tropopause, not from a specific atmospheric layer).”
And with the raised tropopause (and lifted tropospheric profile), the OLR still goes up with increased surface temperatures. Because upward convective/evaporative energy transport goes up. And hence, in the end, radiation back out to space goes up.
LoL another grammatical error: “which reduces sunlight input, to the many temperatures mounted,” was supposed to be
“which reduces sunlight input, to the many *sensors mounted, “
Kristian,
The heat only rises if the temperature gradient of the air above meets or exceeds the lapse rate. Otherwise it stays right where it is.
Nullius in Verba says:
“The heat only rises if the temperature gradient of the air above meets or exceeds the lapse rate. Otherwise it stays right where it is.”
Atmospheric Window around 10um?
Also to frame the stratosphere within the envelope of greenhouse gases misses out the major drivers of gamma and UV radiation producing chemical transformation.
Stephen Rasey says
“Any discussion of lapse rates should also include the observation of inversion layers.”
Agreed and shows how little effect the atmospheric radiation can achieve when at night a higher atmospheric temperature cannot stop surface radiation causing ground frost.
Nullius in Verba says, December 1, 2013 at 7:11 am:
“The heat only rises if the temperature gradient of the air above meets or exceeds the lapse rate. Otherwise it stays right where it is.”
Yes. And it exceeds it on a regular basis, every day, when the Sun shines on the surface and warms it, preferably in the tropics. That’s what drives Earth’s large-scale atmospheric convection cells (like the Hadley-Walker cells) – solar surface heating.
Kristian,
Don’t confuse the source of the energy for the seat of control. The driver decides where the car goes, not the engine.
The atmosphere warms or cools *as a whole* until the heat emitted to space equals the heat absorbed from the sun. The latter is fixed (ignoring clouds and albedo) so the primary control rests with the emission to space. The amount emitted depends on the temperature of the surface that is emitting, and the changes there then propagate through the rest of the system.
The temperature at the average altitude of emission to space must be such as to emit the required amount of energy to space. If that altitude is higher off the ground, the temperature distribution must move up. The level is controlled from the top, although it is filled from the bottom.
The warmists make the same mistake – thinking that just because there is a lot of IR radiating down from the sky, that this therefore *controls* the surface temperature. Control is an entirely different property of a system, and does not necessarily have to go with the flow.
LdB, I’m already well informed regarding QED, I doubt there is anything you could tell me which I haven’t already learned from Feynman, but that is beside the point.
You said the atmosphere operates like a laser, that suggest you don’t understand one of those things, which is it?
Told you could answer it could you … gee I am surprised.
So you feel compelled to make a declaration of a fact only it’s not a fact because you really don’t have a clue on any of this stuff. So lets see you are the one commenting on something you don’t understand remotely and I am the manic, unemployed and troubled one … sure dropkick.
No max you said it worked like a laser and no there isn’t a LHC inside your TV either, the atmosphere and lasers share an effect that’s all as do a TV and the LHC.
So how about we test some science then you asked what about Nitrogen so lets pick that up. You probably don’t know but in our solar system there is a moon of Saturn that actually has an atmosphere of Nitrogen and Methane. Now there is no oxygen or other gases that interfere with the optical pump …. so shall we see what happens.
http://newscenter.lbl.gov/feature-stories/2010/07/01/modeling-titan/
Gee whizz will you look at that it optical pumps as well and we tested it on earth using a EUV-VUV beam in a chamber.
See unlike climate science in the hard sciences we test stuff in detail and sorry yes I haven’t told you anything that isn’t correct or been tested.
I should add one final comment Max none of that is remotely controversial it simply explains the greenhouse effect in more detail a level climate science is not familiar with, and it shows why the dragons layers get it so wrong. Once you overlay classic physics over the mechanisms you get pretty much the standard climate science picture but as the dragons layers found if you probe the classic physics too hard there are cracks because it is a horrible simplification.
I can’t answer climate science and I have no theory on it because it isn’t my area but I know for a fact the dragon slayers are stone dead wrong because the real hard physics says so.
First off, Mr. “I don’t understand lasers”, take your condescending attitude and stow it somewhere uncomfortable, thanks.
Second, in your links just now you referenced studies using synchrotron radiation to study a similar mix of gases as found on Titan, that is not the same as “Titan has an atmospheric laser effect”, I know english isn’t your first language, so maybe you aren’t to blame here for misunderstanding that the word LASER is an acronym which stands for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle, G.I. Joe, etc.
Here you describe CO2 in the atmosphere as being “pumped” and a “gain media under all circumstances as far as I know”, which means you are describing the atmosphere as a laser.
CO2 and the atmosphere in general only reduce the power of radiation, barring something like a lensing effect of course, so no, that is not positive gain, and it is not anything like a laser.
A laser takes an input and adds energy from an outside source to increase the intensity of the output, which is nothing like the atmosphere.
A gain media facilitates this process, you are so far the only person I have ever seen who described the greenhouse effect in terms of gain media or laser analogies.
Nullius in Verba says, December 1, 2013 at 3:57 pm:
“The atmosphere warms or cools *as a whole* until the heat emitted to space equals the heat absorbed from the sun. The latter is fixed (ignoring clouds and albedo) so the primary control rests with the emission to space. The amount emitted depends on the temperature of the surface that is emitting, and the changes there then propagate through the rest of the system.”
Sigh, I’m done with this discussion, Nullius. You just keep on insisting on your ‘the amount emitted depends on the temperature of the surface that is emitting’ even when knowing full well (just stop and think for a wee while) that there is no ONE surface emitting Earth’s final system radiative flux to space, hence there can be no direct relationship between this total outgoing flux and the physical temperature of ONE such specified layer. (And if there were such a layer, it would NOT be located 5 km up, in the middle of the convective troposphere. It would be the ~210K tropopause, the atmospheric level directly above the convection top.) This idea is nothing but a purely theoretical (and quite nonsensical) construct, conjured up to explain an atmospheric surface warming effect that simply isn’t and never was a radiative one. But it seems impossible to get through to you on this. So I won’t bother anymore. Sorry for taking up your time …
“More dun come out than wint in! Ya’LL!”
Now out in the earth atmosphere there are a pile of things that will change how much pumping occurs in the CO2 and that really is what climate science is supposedly trying to work out. That is a very open debate and I certainly don’t have the answer
but the CO2 has to pump it’s a gain media under all circumstances as far as I know
and
***I did a quick search but I can’t find any situation it has ever been reported with a negative optical gain.*** ~LdB
I’d be interested in seeing everyone who claims they believe in the GHE take a simple three question test:
sphere spinning suspended in vacuum illuminated by broadband light.
Temperature stabilizes T.
Sphere is placed behind reflective screen blocking 20% E in, to sphere’s surface sensors.
Temperature subsequently:
(A)Rise
(B) Fall.
Magic gas belief demands the answer be (A).
Scientific knowledge demands the answer be (B).
Number two:
Cold nitrogen/oxygen bath into which sphere is immersed is much colder than sphere.
Immersion into cold nitrogen/oxygen bath, causes every sensor on sphere surface to:
(A)Rise
(B)Fall.
Magic gas belief demands the answer be (A).
Scientific knowledge demands the answer be (B).
Number three:
After removal from sphere by reflective screen of 20% total E in,
even more reflective gas is added around sphere, resulting in 25% E in,
being reflected away from sensors on sphere.
Removal of yet more E in, through addition of more reflective gas
will result in every sensor on the sphere showing energy
(A) Rise
(B)Fall.
Magic gas belief demands the answer be (A)
Scientific knowledge demands the answer be (B).
As soon as you start being steered to “just ignore all those reality based facts that make my preposterous proposal utterly impossible,
and act like you believe in it,
because I said I know someone else who does,”
you know you’re dealing with a con man.
Not a scientist.
This is why magic gassers despise having to answer your questions about their false science; their false religion.
You don’t have to crack a book to see they’re barking delusion.
They run off the rails the moment they go from “earth in vacuum” being cooled solely by radiant emission
to “earth in cold atmosphere that reflects away a fifth energy in.”
Right there: they start lying.
Talking about how “you don’t understand”
the giant reflective, frigid bath cooling the earth,
is really, heating the earth.
As soon as they trot that one out – they can’t stop and let you establish the first truth or they’re sunk –
they trot out lie number two.
The reflective gas that’s reduced infrared by 50% and total E in by 20,
would make every sensor on the surface of the sphere, register yet more E in.
And so, if you don’t call them on their bull with the very first lie:
Make them affirm they even know what reducing energy in is,
make them affirm they even know what washing in cold fluids does,
you’ve tacitly given them permission to lie till their last breath.
That the giant cold fluid bath
is a giant heater nobody understands
except those who “believe in” it being one.
See incorrect I mean exactly what I said it is optically pumping. There is a hell of a lot more to a laser than just optical pumping or gain media. What you have just done is turned a medical nuclear isotope into a nuclear reactor creating plutonium because they have about the same degree of relevance.
No disagreement on that and I am not trying to describe it as such. What we are trying to discuss is the gain media. In a laser the increase in intensity is cause by getting enough inverted population controlled in such a way that it creates a stimulated emission. Go back to our radioactive isotope it emits radioactivity but it is a long way short of a nuclear reactor because that requires controls and purity in exactly the same way.
That is possibly true because climate science tends to wallow around in classic physics and there is no way to describe optical gain media in classic physics. My description is itself no better or worse than the classic physics garbage that climate science uses it is a layman simplification of a fairly complex process. There a pro’s and con’s of both analogies.
You may well judge it to be worse that’s fine by me but it is technically no less accurate.
I understand why you got caught with my description because you won’t probably have seen it explained that way but my comments were really aimed at Tim Ball because as a scientist he should have understood them.
I wasn’t trying to be argumentative with you but I felt it was worth explaining it since you do seem quite sane and normal unlike our friend Steven R Vada.
I’m not your friend.
Voices telling you “make like a crawfish,” don’t constitute
an “our.”
The sound of you doing it
is the sound of
‘consensus’
meeting something called
‘science.’
When you tried to be
argumentative.
@LdB: So you can’t explain it coherently (certainly not to us plebs, maybe to a scientist), but we should definitely trust that the GHE now functions like some kind of magic laser entirely on the say-so of an anonymous internet commenter. Anyone who doesn’t get it is stupid.
OR Graham you could try studying it PROPERLY if you don’t accept it. You can’t solve the problem with classic physics because the mechanism is not classical.
So you have a clear choice … but trying to disprove it using classic physics is simply not possible because classic physics is wrong … has been for 100 years .. did you miss the memo? We still teach it because for most people it is all they will really need in their life and for most situations it is a good enough simplification.
So if you don’t believe it knock yourself out learn QM and find the mistake .. otherwise shut up and accept it. We don’t believe any layman stupidity in nuclear physics or any other area that classic physics goes badly wrong in either so why would we give a dam about stupid layman and their crazy ideas in climate science.
Here Graham this is a decent start point and it’s not that intensive it covers the basics you have a clear choice now given to you.
http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~brandt/Fluorescence/Quantum_Theory_of_Spectroscopy.pdf