Why did the Royal Society need secret meetings?
Guest essay by Dr. Tim Ball
Recent events underscore problems with understanding climate and how the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) achieved their deception. Comments about my recent article appreciated it was a synopsis. The problems were central in my presentation to the First Heartland Climate Conference in New York relating to climatology as a generalist discipline in a world that glorifies specialization. The dictum in academia and beyond is specialization is the mark of genius, generalization the mark of a fool. In the real world each specialized piece must fit the larger general picture and most people live and function in a generalized world. The phrase “it is purely academic” means it is irrelevant to the real world.
A secret meeting occurred between Lord Lawson of the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) and members of the British Royal Society. Why the secrecy? It is likely because this collective of specialists is scrambling to recover reputations after being misled.
Claiming they were deliberately deceived in the propaganda campaign orchestrated through the British Royal Society is no excuse. The supposed prestige of that Society was used to persuade other national Science Societies that human caused global warming was a serious and proven fact. The only Society that refused to go along was the Russian. It was a deliberately orchestrated campaign that allowed media to use the consensus argument with focus. I was frequently challenged with the interrogative in the form of a consensus argument that you must be wrong because science Societies all agree.
Climate science is the work of specialists working on one small part of climatology. It’s a classic example of not seeing the forest for the trees, amplified when computer modellers are involved. They are specialists trying to be generalists but omit major segments, and often don’t know interrelationships, interactions and feedbacks in the general picture.
Society has deified specialized academics, especially scientists. Consider the phrase “You don’t have to be a rocket scientist” used to indicate intellectual superiority. Substitute a different occupation and prejudices emerge. “You don’t have to be a farmer”. Now consider the range of specialized areas required for success on a modern farm. Then count the specializations included in Figure 1, a very simple systems diagram of weather. (Note that three “boxes” include the word “flux” but the 2007 IPCC Science report says, “Unfortunately, the total surface heat and water fluxes are not well observed.)
Ian Plimer said, studies of the Earth’s atmosphere tell us nothing about future climate.
An understanding of climate requires an amalgamation of astronomy, solar physics, geology, geochronology, geochemistry, sedimentology, tectonics, palaeontology, paleoecology, glaciology, climatology, meteorology, oceanography, ecology, archaeology and history.
Figure 1: Source: After; Climate Stabilization: For Better or for Worse? William W. Kellogg and Stephen H. Schneider, Science, Volume 186, December 27, 1974
It’s an interesting observation that underscores the dilemma. Climatology is listed as a subset, but must include all the disciplines and more. You cannot study or understand the pattern of climate over time or in a region without including them all.
A frequent charge is I have no credibility because I only have “a geography degree”. It’s, ignorant on many levels, and usually used as a sign of superiority by specialists in the “hard sciences”. My PhD was through the Geography department at Queen Mary College because climatology was traditionally part of geography. The actual degree was granted in the Faculty of Science.
Climatology, like geography is a generalist discipline studying patterns and relationships. Geography is the original integrative discipline traditionally called Chorology. In the late 1960s when I looked for a school of climatology there were effectively only two, Hubert Lamb’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at East Anglia and Reid Bryson’s program in Madison Wisconsin. Neither was a viable option, although I was privileged to consult with Professor Lamb about my thesis.
Unlike most students, instead of going through the sausage-maker machine of education I pursued my studies later and with deliberation. Environmentalism was a new paradigm changing the focus from the Darwinian view of humans as a passive to an active agent in the environment. An undergraduate course on Soils taught me the formula for soil-forming factors included parent material (rock), weather, and the letter “O” for Organic. I wondered why this included everything except humans.
Early German geography recognized the impact distinguishing Landschaft, the natural landscape, from Kulturschaft, the human landscape. Others were considering the differences. George Perkins Marsh’s work, Man and Nature (1864) and William L. Thomas’ 1956 publication Man’s Role in Changing the Face of the Earth influenced me and provided a central theme – the impact of climate on the human condition.
All three theses were deliberately designed. An Honours thesis titled, Some Philosophical Considerations of Humans as a Source of Change, considered the historical and philosophical context. The Masters thesis titled, The Significance of Grain Size and Heavy Minerals Volume Percentage as Indicators of Environmental Character, Grand Beach, Manitoba provided scientific method especially related to energy inputs in an environment. The doctorate addressed two problems in climatology. Lack of long-term weather records, which Lamb identified, and the challenge of linking historical records with instrumental records. My doctoral thesis title, Climatic Change in Central Canada: A Preliminary Analysis of Weather Information from Hudson’s Bay Company Forts at York Factory and Churchill Factory, 1714-1850 involved creating a long term record from daily journals of the Hudson Bay Company. It blended daily weather observations with instrumental records through a numerical coding for each weather variable. Once the data was digitized, statistical and scientific analysis was possible.
Lack of a “science” degree was a focus early. Immediately after a presentation to Forestry graduates at the University of Alberta a professor in the front row asked, “Is it true you were denied funding by the major agencies in Canada?” This referred to two government agencies, Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada (NSERC) and the Sciences and Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada. (SSHRC). I was not denied, I just didn’t qualify, my category of historical climatology was considered Social Science by NSERC and Science by SSHRC. Fortunately, the National Science Museum of Canada, particularly Dick Harington head of the Paleobiology division, understood the problem and provided funding.
I knew as a climatologist I needed to consult with specialists. I obeyed Wegman’s warning in his Report on the Hockey Stick fiasco.
As statisticians, we were struck by the isolation of communities such as the paleoclimate community that rely heavily on statistical methods, yet do not seem to be interacting with the mainstream statistical community. The public policy implications of this debate are financially staggering and yet apparently no independent statistical expertise was sought or used.
Consultation is essential. The challenge is to know enough to ask the right questions and understand the answers. As a climatologist I try to place each piece in the puzzle. If it doesn’t fit I consult specialists for answers.
The claim that the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) didn’t exist is a classic example of a piece that didn’t fit. Many knew it existed and Soon and Baliunas provided evidence in their article Proxy climatic and environmental changes of the past 1000 years; it’s why they were so viciously attacked. Statistician Steve McIntyre showed how the infamous “hockey stick” graph was created. The Wegman Report confirmed his findings and exposed a major misuse of statistics and dendroclimatology. The misuse of tree rings was further confirmed by a forestry expert. Few areas of IPCC climate science bear examination by specialists.
The claim that CO2 is greenhouse gas does not fit. I itemized the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) deliberate diversions to demonize CO2 for a political agenda. Years ago at a conference in Calgary I heard a skeptic challenged by a knowledgeable audience member about the claim of CO2 as a greenhouse gas (GHG). The reply was troubling. We (skeptics) would lose all credibility if we suggest CO2 is not a GHG. It is better to say it is, but the effect, especially of the human portion, is minuscule and of no consequence.
I pursued my policy asking physicists about the role of CO2 as a GHG. I thought they would agree. They didn’t. It’s partly reflected in estimates of climate sensitivity. They range from the IPCC high through those who believe it is zero to some who believe it is a negative quantity with CO2 as a cooling agent. The conflict appears to be disagreement in how temperature is modified by the physical processes involved in energy transfer. If the physics was known and agreed presumably weather and climate forecasts would work, but they don’t.
Traditional climatology included a mechanism called continentalism. It measured the modifying influence on temperature range of the distance from the ocean. Here are ranges for three Canadian cities at approximately the same latitude.
Station Maximum Minimum Range
Gander, Nfld 35.6°C -28.8°C 64.2°C
Winnipeg 40.6°C -45°C 85.6°C
Vancouver 33.3°C -17.8°C 51°C
Both Vancouver (west coast) and Gander (east coast) are close to the ocean but they are in the zone of the prevailing Westerlies. Gander experiences continental air more frequently than Vancouver. The different specific heat capacities of land and water explain the difference. Water acts to modify temperature range.
The greatest daily land temperature ranges occur in regions with very low atmospheric moisture (hot and cold deserts). Water vapour acts like the oceans to modify temperature range, as a result desert biomes record the greatest daily temperature ranges. It has nothing to do with CO2. Similarly, lowest daily temperature ranges occur in tropical rain forests where water vapour levels are highest. Total modification of global temperature range is achieved by water in all its phases.
Climatology is a generalist discipline that requires incorporating all specialist disciplines. The modern glorification of specialization allowed climate scientists to dominate by claiming their piece of a vast puzzle was critical. IPCC climate scientists misused specialized areas, especially in climate models, to achieve a predetermined result. It is only exposed when specialists examine what was done or climatologists find a piece of the puzzle that doesn’t fit.
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For the record, I don’t agree with Dr. Ball’s opinions on CO2, not being a greenhouse gas, the science is quite clear on that issue long before global warming being an issue. The only valid question is climate sensitivity – Anthony
Maybe the following report on the “secret meeting” explains why the RS was so anxious to keep the Press out of the meeting.
“So Nurse’s team were able to tell me little I did not already know. But what did emerge was that, if anyone needed educating, it was them. Despite the fact that they were headed by Professor Sir Brian Hoskins, the Director of the Grantham Institute, which has pronounced views on climate policy, and a member of the Climate Change Committee, which is concerned with the implementation of the Climate Change Act, they were very reluctant to engage on the crucial issue of climate change policy at all. What was clear, however, was that they had no understanding of, or interest in, the massive human and economic costs involved in the policies they so glibly endorse.
The Spectator, 28 November 2013”
J.Seifert says:
November 29, 2013 at 8:54 am
“astronomy has been kept out of the climate analysis and the
variations of the Earth´s orbit were set to have zero effect on a millenial time scale.”
Spot on.
And they have effect already at the interannual scale, because the length of the astronomical year varies whole days and the yearly average distance to Sun thousands of kilometers.
A says
snip – not interested in your particular brand of “truth” –
Henry says
Again, I want to make this point.
This site became great because it allowed free speech, allowing free exchange of ideas no matter what, even if unscientific.
You should follow a set of rules, if you want to put someone in a sin bin
(OT comments, thread bombing, swearing and calling other comm enters fools or ugly names)
That should only be for a certain period, and only after giving at least one warning.
As it stands, I have to agree with truthseeker.
REPLY: The “Truthseeker” comment was designed to cause thread disruption and it was off-topic. My perogative based on our site policy. Some of your comments in the past have fit into the same category.
This site remains well trafficked because we deal with such comments effectively. Otherwise it becomes the messy free for all like we see at some political sites. Feel to be as upset you wish, but I won’t change our policy because you think all comments, no matter their content, validity, or provenance, should pass moderation. See our policy here With over a million comments here, I think it works well. “Truthseeker” has 190 comments here, so it isn’t like he is being picked on, he just stepped over the line with that particular comment. You both need to move on. – Anthony
henry@anthony(if it is you mod)
it is your loss of traffic (and subsequent loss in ad revenue,)
not mine.
But you made me interested in actually seeing his comment….?
Also,
maybe slightly off topic
why publish stories written by people who subsequently do not defend what they wrote?
I did not see any written comment by Tim Ball
I think that reflects poorly both on himself and on WUWT.
REPLY: I’ve notified Dr. Ball by email that there are comments here asking questions of him. I can’t force him to answer. For all I know he may be on holiday this long weekend like so many people are. – Anthony
Dr. Ball gives a list of several disciplines involved in the study of Climate. He omits the biological and agricultural sciences–which are the point of the whole thing.
Ok, I understand. Thanks!
[snip – not interested in your particular brand of “truth” – Anthony]
Uh oh, Anthony, this is not your best. Many of us are here in part because very few things are snipped here.. It is full, open, honest debate, which intelligent people find refreshing.
Having loved this site for years, I trust that your actual reasons for snipping were either foul language or meaningless screaming. You even let some of the latter through, just to avoid censoring.
This reason for snipping sounds like”I don’t like” or even “I don’t agree with” what you said. Again, I know you better than that.
But it is not helpful to Truthseeker.
You did clarify later.
REPLY: I could have phrased it better but sometimes the human nature aspect of some of the comments I get… push buttons in addition to being policy violations, I’m not perfect. Walk a mile in my shoes and experience the abuse I get daily, then you’ll have a better understanding. – Anthony
I don’t get why anyone gives airtime to Dr. Ball. He’s at the “2+2 does not equal 4” level of atmospheric physics and yet he’s treated as if he has some sort of scientific credibility. He’s like the guy who thought the Greenland ice sheet was only 650 years old. He’s junk science. Why give junk science coverage?
Claimsguy says
He’s junk science
Henry says
Just asking,
but who do you claim to be?
I hope at least you agree with me
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/29/the-important-difference-between-climatology-and-climate-science/#comment-1487222
looking at it from at least 5 different angles: the climate is changing….it is getting cooler.
I was just looking at some rainfall data from Winnipeg. It is going down, as predicted (it lies at 50 latitude) at an average annual rate of about 2 mm per annum. If you put a polynomial fit of the 4th order it shows a sharp decline coming after 2020. It really is quite spooky, seeing as that that is exactly what I am predicting…
Did Winnipeg also suffer from the effects of the dust bowl drought 1932-1939?
I should perhaps spend some more time on these data.
To all, but in particular to Nullius,
Any discussion of lapse rates should also include the observation of inversion layers.
I grew up in Denver, Colorado in the 1960-1980 range, home of the winter time “Brown Cloud”
The ground gives up it’s heat via IR on clear nights, lowering the air temperature in the ground layer. It sinks and remains in a topographic bowl. The inversion lasts until the sun warms the ground and ground layer mid morning to restore a “normal” temperature profile.
It would seem to me that the sutdy of inversion layer conditions, especially from cities at verious altituded and humiditiy levels, could add some boundary conditions to heating and cooling properties of GHGs.
I’m sure it is and has been studied. But discussion of it seams lacking. Maybe it is because an inversion is a condition of cooling and not warming.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/10485309/The-secret-society-of-warmists.html
“The society insisted that the meeting be shrouded in secrecy; not even the names of those present were to be revealed.”
Stephen Rasey,
“Any discussion of lapse rates should also include the observation of inversion layers.”
Another one of those complications that requires caveats that distract from the core concept! Sometimes in the past I’ve mentioned them when introducing this topic. This time I didn’t.
But since you mention it…
Similarly, you get inversions during the polar winters, and also in the stratosphere due to UV absorption by the ozone layer. Low-level inversions don’t generally have much effect, being very localised and no more than a few hundred metres thick (compared to the 10 km of atmosphere above them), but the stratosphere makes an interesting case.
Because the temperature gradient is inverted, it means that raising the altitude of the distribution by adding more GHGs actually *lowers* temperatures. More GHGs causes the stratosphere to *cool*, because emission to space comes from a higher, warmer layer, which therefore has to cool to restore global energy balance.
Or to put it more simply, the GHE is proportional to the difference in altitudes times the lapse rate. If the lapse rate is negative, so is the GHE.
I recall my amusement at the RealClimate lot tying themselves in knots trying to explain the stratospheric cooling effect with their usual approach to the GHE, and eventually Gavin having to admit he’d messed it up and didn’t understand it. It’s a good test of alternative explanations for the GHE. Can you explain why it’s negative in the stratosphere, and (nearly) zero under water? (After all, liquid water should act like a GHG to IR, only it’s 1,000+ times denser…) If you consider lapse rates, it’s trivial to explain, but tricky for some other methods.
Happy?
HenryP: “…in Vancouver, atmospheric pressure is dropping at an average annual rate of about 12 mbars per annum since 1995, exactly as I expected this to happen.”
CO2 is heavier by volume than O2, isn’t it? Is there a hypothetical relationship between additional C in the atmosphere and surface pressure?
Are there any ongoing measurements of average atmospheric pressure at the surface that could identify a global trend?
Now your in the mood to learn something keep reading the emission of any quantum level change is at a specific frequency (IE it’s in discrete quanta and that creates discrete frequencies). Now go an look at the absorption and emission spectrums of CO2 and Nitrogen you may actually learn how it all fits into the classic physics and yes the emission/absorption characteristics are important.
That right what we have been discussing creates the distinct absorption and emission characteristics that many others have already discussed above. See in classic physics you never really deal with why the gases only absorb and emit at different frequencies you sort of just accept it and they give you a pretty graph ….. Has the penny dropped yet?
I have not told you nothing different to the normal climate science it’s just been given to you in slightly different way but it shows you why classic physics gets into trouble.
That why law like Beer-Lambert are only ever approximations there is no classical law that correctly describes transmission of light thru any real media … and now you know why.
Probably a good start point for your reading
http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~brandt/Fluorescence/Quantum_Theory_of_Spectroscopy.pdf
I should add I actually dislike the way climate science explains the emission/absorption because even on the NASA site it almost treats it like it just blocks or just allows different frequencies but it doesn’t really discuss that it’s nowhere near that simple and in the comments and responses above you see why that creates problems and arguments. I often see the discussion of line by line spectrum analysis but again no explaining why it has to be line by line but I guess this is climate science why discuss any real science.
@LdB
“sorry English is not my first language”
Then you get extra credibility from being able to write in English so well that I did not realize that.
Believe it or not, I regularly encounter “loose” for “lose” in texts written by people whose first language is English, or at least some approximation thereof. This error seems to have become popular recently, along with “*tow* the line” for “toe the line”.
Global Warming causes illiteracy .
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling
http://www.ericpinder.com/html/lose.html
nutsofasst says
Are there any ongoing measurements of average atmospheric pressure at the surface that could identify a global trend?
henry says
CO2 quickly diffuses into air and therefore the composition in the atmosphere quickly balances out and stays the same at around 0.04% whereas for O2 is 21%.
I think some people are beginning to pick up that it is getting drier at the higher latitudes, inland. Obviously, they wrongly blame it on AGW….because of the disinformation by the media.
You should know by know that global warming has stopped and that global cooling has started.
see here
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1987/to:2014/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2002/to:2014/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1987/to:2014/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:2002/to:2014/trend/plot/rss/from:1987/to:2014/plot/rss/from:2002/to:2014/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1987/to:2014/plot/hadsst2gl/from:2002/to:2014/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1987/to:2002/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1987/to:2002/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1987/to:2002/trend/plot/rss/from:1987/to:2002/trend
(btw can somebody here just show me or tell me how to make that into a neat small link like I see Anthony and others are doing)
It is this global cooling that will cause less rainfall at the higher latitudes.
The Dust Bowl drought 1932-1939 was one of the worst environmental disasters of the Twentieth Century anywhere in the world. Three million people left their farms on the Great Plains during the drought and half a million migrated to other states, almost all to the West. http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/res/div/ocp/drought/dust_storms.shtml
I find that as we are moving back, up, from the deep end of the 88 year sine wave, there will be standstill in the change of the speed of cooling, neither accelerating nor decelerating, on the bottom of the wave; therefore naturally, there will also be a lull in pressure difference at that > [40 latitude], where the Dust Bowl drought took place, meaning: no wind and no weather (read: rain). According to my calculations, this will start around 2020 or 2021…..i.e. 1927=2016 (projected, by myself and the planets…)> add 5 years and we are in 2021.
Danger from global cooling is documented and provable. It looks we have only ca. 7 “fat” years left……
Gas physics are the simplest there are, you’re a dowsing stick professional somewhere.
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LdB says:
November 30, 2013 at 8:27 pm
I should add I actually dislike the way climate science explains the emission/absorption because even on the NASA site it almost treats it like it just blocks or just allows different frequencies but it doesn’t really discuss that it’s nowhere near that simple and in the comments and responses above you see why that creates problems and arguments. I often see the discussion of line by line spectrum analysis but again no explaining why it has to be line by line but I guess this is climate science why discuss any real science.
There’s a pathologically shallow lie if one was ever told on the internet. English’s most difficult colloquialisms derive from it’s extremely complex conjuctive, adverbial, and to a lesser degree adjectival nature: and the drivel you drizzle
oozes young, dumb, American left-winger posing as a magic gas blow hard.
LdB says:
November 29, 2013 at 9:09 pm
RoHa says:
November 29, 2013 at 7:40 pm
You also lose a fair bit of credibility by misspelling “lose”.
You have proof readers and spell checkers for that … sorry English is not my first language but then most from USA and UK forget that fact 🙂 I would also point out I am at least aware how poor my English is, which is more than many on here who don’t have a clue on science and physics and don’t even realize it.
Anyhow I have had enough of this rubbish, I saw Lubos’s comments about why he doesn’t bother with most comments on here and frankly I agree … not worth the effort.
Why is it, everyone who associates themselves with magic gas immediately begins unraveling as an either utterly incompetent, or utterly deceptive, almost universally reprehensible, fraud? What is it that draws them?
My bet is the concept of getting control of large numbers of people through lying: Spin & perception.
It draws the sociopath. Look at the nearly
endless
list
of people whose work on even cursory examination is revealed: fraud.
Fraud, fraud, frAUd, frauD. on and on.
here’s this looptard posing as some Eurodilbert,
manic-magpie’ing his American English like somebody got into dad’s expensive coffee and went heavy on the sugar.
Pfft. It’s just pitiful but, it shows ya what it takes to believe in the crap.
The fact is, when someone tells you he’s a scientist he means, he has reproducible work that indicates his most basic of premises are correct. Modern government doesn’t run climate science, it runs a grant scheming pond for those too good to do real work that applies to real laws of physical command issued by a proportionate physics, charge-driven universe, with quantifiable energy content in known mass at any given temperature.
The hangers on to this movement are far too long after the fact,
to see how transparent their posturings about magic gases and fantastical backerdisms are.
Claim: there’s a giant light on in the sky. Panic and give Al Gore and his friends your money.
Reality: we looked for the giant light on in the sky. It isn’t there. You’re a bald faced liar.
Pretty much,
end of story.
Now it’s a matter of cleaning out the fraudulent personalities from this era of our government being overwhelmed with pseudo science spamming frauds. Because we checked their story.
And the giant light in the sky
might be derived from CO2
but it’s the CO2 reflecting a far larger quantity of sunlight away from the earth,
than it is, delaying removal of radiative flux from the earth.
Sun: many times more infrared.
Earth, many fewer times as much infrared.
Therefore the gas reflecting the sun, about half the infrared,
is contributing to cooling. It’s this reflection precisely which reduces sunlight input,
to the many temperatures mounted, all over, the sphere of our globe, our earth.
You can’t be blocking about a quarter of the suns total energy to the earth
and simultaneously be responsible for the energy sensors on earth showing more energy
arriving,
than before you blocked that 20, 25%.
No, you can’t,
No, someone didn’t,
or that would be called,
magic insulation.
There is no gas, that is a magical insulation.
Not yesterday
Not today
Not ever.
Which is why, all these people who believe in it, suddenly defy you to act like it’s real science
with real proofs,
and real heat engines built with their magic light in the sky.
Henry;
Any online HTML tutorial will teach you how to make links with the label you want. Here’s a quickie template:
<a href=”URL”>LABEL</a>
Include the quote marks around the URL
Henry;
To demonstrate, here’s your long link:
Henry’s Link
Henry @ur momisugly Brian H
thanks so much. This is what I wanted to learn.
But I still don’t get it as to how exactly you did that….
I must admit that I know nothing about computer science! You have start from scratch.
I get what the url is (that is the long chain)
I get what label is: that is “Henry’s Link”
but now: where must I feed your formula into?
Can I put it in a word document, for future reference? When I put copy and paste of your “Henry’s Link” in a word document, it gives me the long chain link back again….