Why did the Royal Society need secret meetings?
Guest essay by Dr. Tim Ball
Recent events underscore problems with understanding climate and how the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) achieved their deception. Comments about my recent article appreciated it was a synopsis. The problems were central in my presentation to the First Heartland Climate Conference in New York relating to climatology as a generalist discipline in a world that glorifies specialization. The dictum in academia and beyond is specialization is the mark of genius, generalization the mark of a fool. In the real world each specialized piece must fit the larger general picture and most people live and function in a generalized world. The phrase “it is purely academic” means it is irrelevant to the real world.
A secret meeting occurred between Lord Lawson of the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) and members of the British Royal Society. Why the secrecy? It is likely because this collective of specialists is scrambling to recover reputations after being misled.
Claiming they were deliberately deceived in the propaganda campaign orchestrated through the British Royal Society is no excuse. The supposed prestige of that Society was used to persuade other national Science Societies that human caused global warming was a serious and proven fact. The only Society that refused to go along was the Russian. It was a deliberately orchestrated campaign that allowed media to use the consensus argument with focus. I was frequently challenged with the interrogative in the form of a consensus argument that you must be wrong because science Societies all agree.
Climate science is the work of specialists working on one small part of climatology. It’s a classic example of not seeing the forest for the trees, amplified when computer modellers are involved. They are specialists trying to be generalists but omit major segments, and often don’t know interrelationships, interactions and feedbacks in the general picture.
Society has deified specialized academics, especially scientists. Consider the phrase “You don’t have to be a rocket scientist” used to indicate intellectual superiority. Substitute a different occupation and prejudices emerge. “You don’t have to be a farmer”. Now consider the range of specialized areas required for success on a modern farm. Then count the specializations included in Figure 1, a very simple systems diagram of weather. (Note that three “boxes” include the word “flux” but the 2007 IPCC Science report says, “Unfortunately, the total surface heat and water fluxes are not well observed.)
Ian Plimer said, studies of the Earth’s atmosphere tell us nothing about future climate.
An understanding of climate requires an amalgamation of astronomy, solar physics, geology, geochronology, geochemistry, sedimentology, tectonics, palaeontology, paleoecology, glaciology, climatology, meteorology, oceanography, ecology, archaeology and history.
Figure 1: Source: After; Climate Stabilization: For Better or for Worse? William W. Kellogg and Stephen H. Schneider, Science, Volume 186, December 27, 1974
It’s an interesting observation that underscores the dilemma. Climatology is listed as a subset, but must include all the disciplines and more. You cannot study or understand the pattern of climate over time or in a region without including them all.
A frequent charge is I have no credibility because I only have “a geography degree”. It’s, ignorant on many levels, and usually used as a sign of superiority by specialists in the “hard sciences”. My PhD was through the Geography department at Queen Mary College because climatology was traditionally part of geography. The actual degree was granted in the Faculty of Science.
Climatology, like geography is a generalist discipline studying patterns and relationships. Geography is the original integrative discipline traditionally called Chorology. In the late 1960s when I looked for a school of climatology there were effectively only two, Hubert Lamb’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at East Anglia and Reid Bryson’s program in Madison Wisconsin. Neither was a viable option, although I was privileged to consult with Professor Lamb about my thesis.
Unlike most students, instead of going through the sausage-maker machine of education I pursued my studies later and with deliberation. Environmentalism was a new paradigm changing the focus from the Darwinian view of humans as a passive to an active agent in the environment. An undergraduate course on Soils taught me the formula for soil-forming factors included parent material (rock), weather, and the letter “O” for Organic. I wondered why this included everything except humans.
Early German geography recognized the impact distinguishing Landschaft, the natural landscape, from Kulturschaft, the human landscape. Others were considering the differences. George Perkins Marsh’s work, Man and Nature (1864) and William L. Thomas’ 1956 publication Man’s Role in Changing the Face of the Earth influenced me and provided a central theme – the impact of climate on the human condition.
All three theses were deliberately designed. An Honours thesis titled, Some Philosophical Considerations of Humans as a Source of Change, considered the historical and philosophical context. The Masters thesis titled, The Significance of Grain Size and Heavy Minerals Volume Percentage as Indicators of Environmental Character, Grand Beach, Manitoba provided scientific method especially related to energy inputs in an environment. The doctorate addressed two problems in climatology. Lack of long-term weather records, which Lamb identified, and the challenge of linking historical records with instrumental records. My doctoral thesis title, Climatic Change in Central Canada: A Preliminary Analysis of Weather Information from Hudson’s Bay Company Forts at York Factory and Churchill Factory, 1714-1850 involved creating a long term record from daily journals of the Hudson Bay Company. It blended daily weather observations with instrumental records through a numerical coding for each weather variable. Once the data was digitized, statistical and scientific analysis was possible.
Lack of a “science” degree was a focus early. Immediately after a presentation to Forestry graduates at the University of Alberta a professor in the front row asked, “Is it true you were denied funding by the major agencies in Canada?” This referred to two government agencies, Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada (NSERC) and the Sciences and Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada. (SSHRC). I was not denied, I just didn’t qualify, my category of historical climatology was considered Social Science by NSERC and Science by SSHRC. Fortunately, the National Science Museum of Canada, particularly Dick Harington head of the Paleobiology division, understood the problem and provided funding.
I knew as a climatologist I needed to consult with specialists. I obeyed Wegman’s warning in his Report on the Hockey Stick fiasco.
As statisticians, we were struck by the isolation of communities such as the paleoclimate community that rely heavily on statistical methods, yet do not seem to be interacting with the mainstream statistical community. The public policy implications of this debate are financially staggering and yet apparently no independent statistical expertise was sought or used.
Consultation is essential. The challenge is to know enough to ask the right questions and understand the answers. As a climatologist I try to place each piece in the puzzle. If it doesn’t fit I consult specialists for answers.
The claim that the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) didn’t exist is a classic example of a piece that didn’t fit. Many knew it existed and Soon and Baliunas provided evidence in their article Proxy climatic and environmental changes of the past 1000 years; it’s why they were so viciously attacked. Statistician Steve McIntyre showed how the infamous “hockey stick” graph was created. The Wegman Report confirmed his findings and exposed a major misuse of statistics and dendroclimatology. The misuse of tree rings was further confirmed by a forestry expert. Few areas of IPCC climate science bear examination by specialists.
The claim that CO2 is greenhouse gas does not fit. I itemized the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) deliberate diversions to demonize CO2 for a political agenda. Years ago at a conference in Calgary I heard a skeptic challenged by a knowledgeable audience member about the claim of CO2 as a greenhouse gas (GHG). The reply was troubling. We (skeptics) would lose all credibility if we suggest CO2 is not a GHG. It is better to say it is, but the effect, especially of the human portion, is minuscule and of no consequence.
I pursued my policy asking physicists about the role of CO2 as a GHG. I thought they would agree. They didn’t. It’s partly reflected in estimates of climate sensitivity. They range from the IPCC high through those who believe it is zero to some who believe it is a negative quantity with CO2 as a cooling agent. The conflict appears to be disagreement in how temperature is modified by the physical processes involved in energy transfer. If the physics was known and agreed presumably weather and climate forecasts would work, but they don’t.
Traditional climatology included a mechanism called continentalism. It measured the modifying influence on temperature range of the distance from the ocean. Here are ranges for three Canadian cities at approximately the same latitude.
Station Maximum Minimum Range
Gander, Nfld 35.6°C -28.8°C 64.2°C
Winnipeg 40.6°C -45°C 85.6°C
Vancouver 33.3°C -17.8°C 51°C
Both Vancouver (west coast) and Gander (east coast) are close to the ocean but they are in the zone of the prevailing Westerlies. Gander experiences continental air more frequently than Vancouver. The different specific heat capacities of land and water explain the difference. Water acts to modify temperature range.
The greatest daily land temperature ranges occur in regions with very low atmospheric moisture (hot and cold deserts). Water vapour acts like the oceans to modify temperature range, as a result desert biomes record the greatest daily temperature ranges. It has nothing to do with CO2. Similarly, lowest daily temperature ranges occur in tropical rain forests where water vapour levels are highest. Total modification of global temperature range is achieved by water in all its phases.
Climatology is a generalist discipline that requires incorporating all specialist disciplines. The modern glorification of specialization allowed climate scientists to dominate by claiming their piece of a vast puzzle was critical. IPCC climate scientists misused specialized areas, especially in climate models, to achieve a predetermined result. It is only exposed when specialists examine what was done or climatologists find a piece of the puzzle that doesn’t fit.
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For the record, I don’t agree with Dr. Ball’s opinions on CO2, not being a greenhouse gas, the science is quite clear on that issue long before global warming being an issue. The only valid question is climate sensitivity – Anthony
“How hot does the CO2 get when it gets zapped?”
The CO2 molecule does not get warmer at all, it vibrates and rotates from the zap. That molecule can then either re-emit, in which case there is no warming occuring at all, or some or all of the vibrational/rotational energy can increase the translational energy of other atoms or molecules, that is a zap worth of warming, but the 0.0004 fraction of co2 does no do much there having to do with atmospheric warming, it is mainly the h2o which is many, many times more concentrated for it is also an infrared active molecule with many more lines and continuum of absorption.
“How does CO2 get the new found extra heat to specific areas?”
Like said above, the co2 specific “extra heat” which is really surface energy is not that which you are trying to apply to it, small compared to h2o. In a one-dimensional view of the atmosphere, just up and down, +z and -z, IR active molecules can be viewed easiest as half reflectors, much as a half coated mirror, half reflects backwards downward and half passes through on its upward path since even a refection of light (any em wave) is an absorption then a re-emission (per Feynman, qed) but there is only a given amount of surface radiation that co2 can even interact with in the 14-16 μm or so range, about 15% of the irradiance available near the surface at its temperature. The key everyone keeps looking for is that once a given line is totally opaque upward from the surface adding more of the molecules absorbing that one exact frequency has no further effect near the surface. If it is not totally opaque, and then becomes opaque, that decreases the window radiation that Dr. Ferenc Miskolczi has meticulously shown is not occurring over some fifty years as co2 concentration has risen. Now if you add atmospheric mass, that would definitely increase the surface temperature, but that is a different subject and what we are adding if any is tiny.
End of story… but everyone really wants the story to not end, what in the world would they discuss then on a climate site? And that is the real ‘climate’ problem, both sides involved.
Leonard Weinstein: However, you are wrong that CO2 BY ITSELF is not a greenhouse gas.
Until they start modelling convection then yes, ‘CO2 BY ITSELF’ is a greenhouse gas. As they’re modeling the gasses in a greenhouse. Get back to me once they’ve got a grip on air circulation.
“It’s a classic example of not seeing the forest for the trees…” ROFLMAO!
TomRude says:
November 29, 2013 at 11:41 am “The WWF affiliated spy at Yahoo Climate Sceptic is baaack:
“… I can’t resist pointing out that the old paradigm is natural dominance with no human influence, and growing human influence is the new paradigm that has been coming in because it better explains, even if not perfectly, what has been happening in the world over the last 150 or so years. Quite naturally, the new paradigm will have a hard time against the resistant forces offered by those who just do not want to have their long held views over-turned. I too wish the audience comments had focused on the science as they would be pointing out where the old explanation just does not seem to be working all that well. Mike MacCracken”
This is a well-orchestrated “paradigm shift” to the Anthropocene Age in the sciences. In the Anthropocene Age there are dangerous Tipping Points in all natural systems on the earth being triggered by growing crops, keeping cattle, generating electricity, having children, traveling, irrigation, and even ligthing a hearth fire. All the sciences will be reframed to fit the paradigm. This is how Progressive Scientists roll.
adrian smits says
I am assuming the c02 levels would be higher downwind from the major cities and thus have higher temperatures
henry says
you are indeed “assuming”
Here in Pretoria, South Africa, where we have high levels of CO2 in winter (no rain and wind),
I could not discern a warming trend as a result of this, (i.e temp. trends in dry winter months versus the rest of the year)
Unless you can bring me the balance sheet of the amount of (more) cooling or (more) warming,
caused by more CO2, I will go with the “no change” argument by more CO2
although the climate is changing:
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2013/04/29/the-climate-is-changing/
naturally
@LdB…………
I wasn’t arguing about anything.
I was ASKING for an explanation of my two questions, which you sidestepped by running off at the mouth about the Slayers.
Also, when I read an article by a “Slayer” it did not deny that CO2 did nothing at all. The article said that CO2 is a coolant. Isn’t CO2 a coolant??
adrian smits says
I am assuming the c02 levels would be higher downwind from the major cities and thus have higher temperatures
henry says
you are indeed “assuming”
Here in Pretoria, South Africa, where we have high levels of CO2 in winter (no rain and wind),
I could not discern a warming trend as a result of this, (i.e temp. trends in dry winter months versus the rest of the year)
Unless you can bring me the balance sheet of the amount of (more) cooling or (more) warming,
caused by more CO2, I will go with the “no change” (null hypothesis) argument by more CO2,
although the climate is changing:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/29/the-important-difference-between-climatology-and-climate-science/#comment-1487222
naturally
There is no easy way to define it because it is a Quantum effect and most layman don’t have that background and hence that creates the problem.
Lets see how I go with a fast short form and you will have to bear with it as I will have to butcher some QM to make this understandable.
Ok temperature is energy in classic physics and at school they teach you that it’s the speed or motion of a gas. Well that’s a half truth like all classic physics rubbish. Molecules can contain vibrations in there bonds so if you want to visualize it imagine the molecules a CO2 molecule where the oxygen atoms could spin faster around its own axis but not move any faster as a joint molecule. Now I warn you I am taking big liberties here because the spins really are not anything you can describe in the classic normal sense. These are a form of quantum spin and like all quantum spins they represent energy and that energy is just like all other energy it can move around.
So CO2 is weird you can actually put energy into the molecule spins without the molecule moving absolute motion faster and that is what they call pumping. That’s what causes all the problems with classic physics because you can’t use all the normal formulas because it behaves in a way that classic physics doesn’t cover.
All green house gases exhibit this strange behaviour and they are all called active gain media and if you google that you will probably find you also get the other thing they are all called which is active laser media (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gain_medium). In a laser you control the effect to get a stimulated emission but all the gases will pump always it’s just a matter of how much. The fact you can make a CO2 laser tells you CO2 is a gain media and that’s the stupidity of the dragon slayer argument they are trying to deny the impossible.
Now out in the earth atmosphere there are a pile of things that will change how much pumping occurs in the CO2 and that really is what climate science is supposedly trying to work out. That is a very open debate and I certainly don’t have the answer but the CO2 has to pump it’s a gain media under all circumstances as far as I know and I did a quick search but I can’t find any situation it has ever been reported with a negative optical gain.
So I can’t answer how much it pumps with sunlight in the atmosphere that’s a climate science question I only know what it does under controlled conditions in the lab.
I should add one thing climate scientist won’t tell you CO2 is extremely active to not just light but all forms of energy. It will for example pump from electrical discharge and some RF and magnetic fields rather easily … and that opens a whole other can of worms.
@Alberta Slim: ” Isn’t CO2 a coolant??”
CO2 is used as a working fluid in heat pipes and other cooling devices. But that neither makes it a heating or cooling agent, on balance, in the atmosphere.
LdB: “So I can’t answer how much it pumps with sunlight in the atmosphere that’s a climate science question I only know what it does under controlled conditions in the lab.”
::puts pinky to mouth:: “Planets with frickin’ lazor beems.” It’s a nice discussion on lasers, to be sure, but we rather lack the optical cavity to turn the atmosphere into a laser source. And even then, with something as vaingloriously carbon happy as Venus — it’s not putting out the eyes of airline pilots. Again, interesting about lasers, but has nothing to do with CO2 as such.
u.k.(us) says:
November 29, 2013 at 11:04 am
Assuming “we” had any credibility to lose, the graphs showing the variations of CO2 over past eons, might suggest otherwise ?
I have no problem accepting the fact that as the oceans warmed up, the CO2 increased up to 800 years later. My problem is with the last 17 years where RSS shows no change in temperature but CO2 is still increasing. And this rate of increase just happens to be at about 50% of what humans emit. I have read the recent posts on this topic and on the disagreements here. I am not going to go into that here except to say that if I were to speak to a crowd of people and say that there are other reasons why the increase over the last decades just happened to be half of our emissions, they would totally ignore everything else I would say.
[snip – not interested in your particular brand of “truth” – Anthony]
M Courtney says:
November 29, 2013 at 11:17 am
He doesn’t state if that was because they feared ridicule or are just afraid of open debate.
Can anyone think of any other reason?
If they are starting to be unsure of something and want to discuss it frankly with someone, they may want to ask direct questions without constantly looking over their shoulder so to speak and fear what fragment of a sentence the press my jump on for a good headline. Let them talk to the press when they are good and ready and know what they want to say with a unified voice. They know that future climate events will judge them one way or the other.
@Jquip
“CO2 is used as a working fluid in heat pipes and other cooling devices. But that neither makes it a heating or cooling agent, on balance, in the atmosphere….”
Why? [ no Quantum pumping or atom spin please ] ;^)
What is the difference, on earth or on the atmosphere?
A GHEer told me that CO2 acts like the insulation in my attic. [no mention of back-radiation however].
So, I asked him what would happen if I took out my insulation and filled up my attic with dry ice?
I figure that the dry ice would sublimate, rise up as a gas and out the roof vent, leaving my attic with cold air and my furnace running full tilt. That’s not what I call warming, or back radiation, as the UN IPCC says that CO2 does.
Just askin’……… 😉
i read one day that the atmosf. contains 12 900 cubic km water and it stays for whaterr 10 days. 1290 cubic km water goes up as wapor and comes down as rain. It gains latent heat near surface and gives up the same heat when the vapor condences and heats the air.
I have not seen any calculation of this value of heat relatet to the total heat form the sol.
In reply to: “Claiming they were deliberately deceived in the propaganda campaign orchestrated through the British Royal Society is no excuse. The supposed prestige of that Society was used to persuade other national Science Societies that human caused global warming was a serious and proven fact.”
The CAGW fiasco is having unintentional consequences. During the COP-19 discussions in Warsaw, the developing countries are making a claim which they will try to push to the world court for past and future damages for climate ‘change’ costs and for the cost to convert their economies to green scams. The idiotic IPCC the sky is falling, the sky is falling propaganda reports will be perfect for their case.
As the UK and the US developed early and emitted large amounts of CO2 in the past, the developing countries want responsibility for climate change damages (past and future) and green scams to be covered by the developed countries in particular the UK and the US (damages based on past and current emissions and per/person emission calculation to reduce the burden for populous countries). Paying damages to the developing world and paying for green scams for developing countries will be problematic for both the UK and the US, as they are currently running large yearly deficits and have very large accumulated deficits, Politicians wake up get engaged with reality, there is no more money to spend!!! Do not create problems which are not a problem.
Reducing carbon dioxide emission by say 50% without a massive conversion to nuclear power will increase electrical power costs by roughly a factor of 6 to 10. There is no possibility the US or UK public or industry will accept the reduction in standard of life or the massive loss of jobs that would follow an increase in power cost by a factor of 6 to 10, as surely as winter follows fall.
As phase 2 of the climate change story plays out (cooling planet and dropping CO2 levels) the public and the politicians will be looking for scapegoats to blame and punish. I would support firings and black balling from future research for the instigators. Tar and feathering and/or flogging would be justified and would provide a fine example to discourage future shenanigans but I suppose some would argue that the principals manipulated and cheated with good intentions.
Werner Brozek says:
November 29, 2013 at 1:15 pm
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I know what you are saying, I’m just saying the whole facade is just about to come crashing down.
I hope the good guys get out first.
“For the record, I don’t agree with Dr. Ball’s opinions on CO2, not being a greenhouse gas, the science is quite clear on that issue long before global warming being an issue. The only valid question is climate sensitivity”
When pressure broadening of the absorption lines of CO2 happens, this must necessarily lead to a slightly higher absorption and re-emission of upwelling LWIR from the surface.
But it also works the other way: Namely, for downwelling LWIR from the sun. Just like slightly more LWIR is reflected back down to the surface, so must slightly more LWIR from the sun be reflected to space.
Even before we get into the interplay with changing amounts of water vapor.
Alberta Slim says:
November 29, 2013 at 1:44 pm
“A GHEer told me that CO2 acts like the insulation in my attic. [no mention of back-radiation however].”
Well that’s “lies for kids”.
More like this:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/05/co2-heats-the-atmosphere-a-counter-view/
Alberta Slim: “What is the difference, on earth or on the atmosphere?”
Convection mostly. Commercial heat pipes also take advantage of expansion to help with the matter. Same things occur in the atmosphere, natch. It’s just a question of how much effect they have in practice in the atmosphere, where it’s ad-hoc, versus heat pipes, where it’s intentionally designed in.
I am sorry you seem mentally challenged Jquip. Media gain is very simple try reading about it and engage your very limited brain power.
Greenhouse effect and lasers share one basis that both require media gain for to work, if that wasn’t a fact neither would occur.
Your old black and white television set also shares a commonality with the LHC in that the good cathode ray tube was one of the first incarnations of controlled accelerating of particles and no there is no LHC inside you TV set either … you idiot.
u.k.(us) says:
November 29, 2013 at 8:08 am
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You have piqued MY interest, but left me wondering what Dr. Ball might have, to regret.
Care to explain ?
I’m all up for learning new things, as I’m sure he is.
Well, when I read the book “Slaying the Sky Dragon: Death of the Greenhouse Gas Theory” I was appalled at the fundamental misconceptions of basic radiation physics it contains. A large proportion of the book is out and out gobbledegook. It’s not just the occasional error – it is simply riddle with nonsense.
I found Dr Ball’s chapters, “Analysis of Climate Alarmism” interesting and informative. They review how climate research became politicised and how the IPCC came into existence as an organisation whose mission was to convince governments that they needed to introduce policies based on the danger of man-made global warming.
I have no idea whether Dr Ball fully endorses the other stuff to be found in the book or whether he is embarrassed to be associated with it. Or perhaps neither of these applies. I have no way of knowing – hence my asking my question.
Martin A says:
November 29, 2013 at 3:50 pm
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Nope, you said “regret”.
Words have meaning, or don’t they ?
You are right, I originally asked if he had any regrets, rather than whether he was embarrassed.
I hope that my answer, all the same, made it clear that the thing he might possibly regret was having contributed to a book that contains a lot of incorrect information about the physics of radiation. At least one comment above illustrates the effect his having contributed to the book has had on some people’s opinion of him.
Stephen Rasey,
“This part, however, I’m not so sure about.”
Quite right! I didn’t express what I was trying to say correctly. Many apologies!
The idea that I was trying to get across was that the Earth as a whole is in rough balance, and the energy absorbed by the Earth from the sun has to all be radiated to space again from the atmosphere. If the atmosphere is too cool, it radiates less than the Earth is absorbing, so the whole system warms up. If the atmosphere is too hot, it radiates more than the Earth as a whole is absorbing, and so cools down.
I was thinking ‘Earth’ and said ‘it’, without noticing that ‘it’ would be interpreted as ‘atmosphere’.