When something is this ridiculous, all you can do is point and laugh. Michael Mann lends his image for political purposes in campaign video for called “Crusades Against Science 101″ with Professor Michael Mann”. Here’s the laughable imagery:
The imagery is dishonest. I challenge Dr. Mann to find any home in Norfolk that looks like that due to sea level rise. Just one will do. And no, a photoshop tricked-out house like your buds at NCDC used won’t qualify.
Dr. Mann seems to have no problem lending his image for political purposes, as this frame from the video shows:
The video footnote says:
Dr. Michael Mann is a world-renowned climate scientist and former University of Virginia professor. This animated interview recounts the grievances Prof. Mann faced at the hand of gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli, and details the threats to all Virginians caused by climate change.
“Vote climate in this election, Virginia’s future depends on it.”
Anything for “the cause” I suppose. Dr. Mann once referred to me as a “denier for dollars” (he imagines huge budgets at my disposal, but reality differs), I suppose it is only fair to return the favor by pointing out his involvement as a political science shill for VA gubernatorial candidate Terry McAuliffe.
Here is the video:
Just out of curiosity, what does anybody think the likelihood is that the sponsors of this political ad, the NextGen Climate Action Committee, has been subjected to an IRS audit or been denied tax exempt status if they applied for such an exemption?
Ok, I know, stupid question.
Norfolk floods best with heavy rains that over tax it’s old storm sewer system. Add to that high tide when Nor’easter conditions send the Chesapeake Bay into the Elisabeth River and you see flooding. More then a little bit of the water front is on filled marsh or wet-lands that have been repurposed from “docks and storage” to multi-story buildings. No rebound required for subsidence.
dbstealey says: ” It contained data that would have destroyed his hockey stick, so he didn’t use it.”
We don’t need the “Mann” hockey stick anymore. There are too many others.
Evidence that CO2 increases sea level.
perhaps an island will disappear.
“The island is really just a big pile of mud from the seafloor that got pushed up. This area of the world seems to see so many of these features because the geology is correct for their formation. You need a shallow, buried layer of pressurized gas—methane, carbon dioxide, or something else—and fluids. When that layer becomes disturbed by seismic waves (like an earthquake), the gases and fluids become buoyant and rush to the surface, bringing the rock and mud with them,” Bill Barnhart, a geologist at the US Geological Survey told NASA’s Earth Observatory.
http://rt.com/news/island-earthquake-space-pictures-518/
Another horrific example of what most folks, no matter your GPS location, are fed by the MSM daily.
Ideological desperation as a result of an uncooperative “Mother Nature” , is what we see!
😉
Pippen Kool says:
October 8, 2013 at 7:13 pm
We don’t need the “Mann” hockey stick anymore. There are too many others.
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Very good pippin, eject the hockey stick when it no longer brings laughs.
How about the “heat is hiding in the oceans”?
That always gets a laugh.
(But, one of my favorites is still the drowning polar bears. See if you can work them into your routine.)
Pippen Kool says:
October 8, 2013 at 7:13 pm
You’ve been asked politely repeatedly to name these alleged other HSs. Please do so instead of asserting baseless claims.
Thanks.
ANTHONY – HELP
I’m afraid that your recent decision to allow more un-moderated comments has resulted in comment threads like this one. It is full of gibberish that adds nothing to the discussion of the original post.
Please consider reinstating the old moderation rules. I want to be able to read well-reasoned comments that stick to the topic of the original post.
Thanks for all you do.
Robert Simpson (Physics Major)
[Your comment is noted. But, as a political advertisement on political matters in a political election in a state where he is being sued by one of the political candidates involved, Mann’s claims ARE in the political arena, not an arbitrary or rational scientific arena. Mod.]
Paranormal science
trees from hell
the devil is still at large.
Lies require commitment,
I look forward to the day when Michael Mann will be regarded as scientifically irrelevant by everyone!
OssQss! — so glad you are “back.” I’ve missed all your fun video clips. Thanks for that one, lol. I never liked that lady when you and I (how’s it goin’ post-birthday? — I was afraid you’d gotten so depressed you couldn’t search for vids anymore) were kids. She was so smug — I was GLAD she was fooled (hm, guess that was the whole idea – but it never made me want to eat margarine) — just like those annoying “Trix are for kids” brats — I wanted the rabbit to keep the cereal, selfish little jerks. The Lucky Charms leprechaun worked pretty good, those kids weren’t creeps, just trying to enjoy some cereal. Sure wish I could still eat all that stuff. If I did — I’d start to look like M.M.! And remember Saturday morning cartoons? And “Funorama” and… sigh. Those were the days.
Just for auld lang syne…
Ooooo-kay! Pippen! That was your cue! ON WITH THE SHOW… …….. Pippen?
I look forward to the day when Michael Mann will be regarded as scientifically irrelevant by everyone!
You spelled out M-an-n and got into mo-dr-ation, huh, Page #488 (what song is that, anyway?)? Happened to me twice on this thread before I figured it out. Arrgh.
Oh, btw, rejoice! M.M. IS regarded as “scientifically irrelevant” by everyone who knows enough to have an intelligent opinion on the matter.
From Pippen Kool on October 8, 2013 at 5:39 pm:
From the Abstract:
Voila! Uncertainties suppressed for a “well-solved story”, and under pressure from the likes of McIntyre and McKitrick (2003), they had to admit things weren’t so neat and tidy.
Suppressing information on uncertainties? Huge no-no in medical research to the financial sector. Deliberately use of such faked-up certainties when soliciting funds, that is frequently known as fraudulent behavior. And the maker of the presentation is an accessory to fraud, at least. Such behavior tends to be prosecutable too, in all but the hallowed halls of academia where they dismiss such discrepancies as “normal scientific discourse”.
Physics Major, I think you’re mistaken. The only difference between current moderation policies and previous ones are “trust based”, where known acceptable commenters comments are allowed immediately unless they contain certain key phrases that require eyeballs to approve.
I don’t think there is any change whatsoever, since previous moderation did not block any but the most grevious disrespecting of the rules, as now.
I think your complaint might better be directed at the current crop of trolls, who are absolutely CLUELESS, but convinced that climate “scientists” are gods.
Rule #1 for holes: When you’re in one, stop digging.
The mouth of the Chesapeake Bay off Newport News and Hampton Bay was hit by a huge Bolide 35 million years ago. The impact left a crater 85 KM in diameter and shattered the underlying bedrock to a depth of 8 Km. That part of Virginia slumping into the ancient crater. To use an area of land that has been sinking for 35 million years as an argument for catastrophic sea rise is devious, but what would we expect from Mann.
Dear Phrustrated Physics Major,
Try to just scroll on by those who annoy you. Remember, one Robert Simpson’s “gibberish” is another Geran’s (and me, too, in this case — LOL, Pippen is hilarious) — “…work them into your routine…” entertainment.
It was a cool thing that real scientists above, I recall Gary Pearse as one, brought genuine science into the discussion. Sometimes, when a post has more than one sub-topic, the main point of the post (conman M.M.’s P.R. career, here) continues on down the thread along with a more important one (subsidence, etc…). Try to laugh and just focus on what interests you.
In your admirable, serious, quest for science truth, do keep in mind (it makes life so much more worth living) that physics is phun!
Janice
(one of those whose posts you likely will want to avoid)
Maybe this is just a make believe flood at the make believe building where he was awarded his make believe Nobel Prize.
Don’t follow this Dope’s example, Pippen:
“Rule #1 for holes: When you’re in one, stop digging.” (F. Ross — listen to him, P.K.)
harkin — lol.
Pippen Kool says:
October 8, 2013 at 3:02 pm
I think it is pretty fitting that Mann is going after Cuccinelli after Cuccinelli basically said Mann was guilty of scientific fraud. This is even _after_ study after study keeps reaffirming the hockey stick. Pick your enemies carefully.
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I know the above quote was right up at the beginning, but I’m still trying to get over “Pick your enemies carefully.”
Sorry, Pippen, you’ve lost me. Just how – in any way, shape or form – is Mann an intellectual threat to anyone here? Are you familiar with this site? At all?
According to the Army Corp of Engineers in 2010 “about 53% of the RSL rise measured at bay water level stations is, on average, due to local subsidence.” around the Chesapeake Bay. In addition, the absolute sea level rise is about 60% of the global average: “evidence suggests an ASL rise rate of about 1.8 mm/yr in Chesapeake Bay over the 1976-2007 period.”.
http://web.vims.edu/GreyLit/VIMS/sramsoe425.pdf
Dishonest indeed.
Janice Moore says: October 8, 2013 at 4:23 pm
lol, “14.5 inches” and the water’s about 8 feet up on the house. Anyone fooled by that is either:
1. Not eligible to vote for another 10 years or more; or
2. Never has been eligible to vote.
Janice, the house in Mann’s picture is livable for people of Mann’s physical and mental stature–physically short, mentally non-existent. For such a house water levels approaching the second floor are to be expected.
@CodeTech
I don’t despise them but, yep, it is a fair observation.