When something is this ridiculous, all you can do is point and laugh. Michael Mann lends his image for political purposes in campaign video for called “Crusades Against Science 101″ with Professor Michael Mann”. Here’s the laughable imagery:
The imagery is dishonest. I challenge Dr. Mann to find any home in Norfolk that looks like that due to sea level rise. Just one will do. And no, a photoshop tricked-out house like your buds at NCDC used won’t qualify.
Dr. Mann seems to have no problem lending his image for political purposes, as this frame from the video shows:
The video footnote says:
Dr. Michael Mann is a world-renowned climate scientist and former University of Virginia professor. This animated interview recounts the grievances Prof. Mann faced at the hand of gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli, and details the threats to all Virginians caused by climate change.
“Vote climate in this election, Virginia’s future depends on it.”
Anything for “the cause” I suppose. Dr. Mann once referred to me as a “denier for dollars” (he imagines huge budgets at my disposal, but reality differs), I suppose it is only fair to return the favor by pointing out his involvement as a political science shill for VA gubernatorial candidate Terry McAuliffe.
Here is the video:
Just put a tablecloth on his head and he’s….. Yeah-sserr Arrr–a-fat
Mann in another video (more cashola – kah-ching!)
Oh, goodie! Portrait of the Artist as an Aggrieved Mann: The Movie.
And, as has become his standard practice, the “David <I see you, I sue you> Irving” of climate science misrepresents – again!
Frankly, I’m not sure which is worse: Canada’s Andrew Weaver (IPCC-nik and climate modeller, turned politico, and now newly minted Green Party MLA) acting as a PR shill for Greenpeace, or Michael Mann (IPCC-nik and climate modeller) selling his “soul” [if he actually has one!] by acting as the shameless PR shill for a candidate for political office.
Oh, well … birds of a feather, and all that, I suppose!
True Sea level can never be recorded on earth ANWHERE!!! Land masses are always moving from the plates of earth. Norfolk VA is built on soft soil, it is like a giant sponge, more weight it sinks. New Orleans is 10+ feet below sea level. A city built on a swamp.
So that makes it OK to lie with fake imagery then in your opinion? – Anthony
Gary Pearse says: “it is tantamount to fraud to exploit a natural sinking of the coast caused by a down-flexure in response to the rise in land surface in Canada from glacial rebound.”
In my opinion? Are people really swayed or fooled or surprised or do they even notice overdone photos? And I don’t even have live TV or FOX news in the house.
milodonharlani says: “Please cite the studies which….”
Bob says: “You just destroyed any scientific credibility you might have had….”
kadaka (KD Knoebel) says: “You’ll have to specify if you mean the earlier “weak” version with the visible Medieval Warm Period, the flat-handled “there were no high temperatures until now” highly-discredited one the IPCC no longer can use, or one of the newer “obfuscated spaghetti” versions.”
one boring ref: A noodle, hockey stick, and spaghetti plate: a perspective on high-resolution paleoclimatology, Frank, Esper, Zorita & Wilson
but in the last year there’s the BEST study and Walcott et al. Pick your poison.
If there is a scientific published study that refutes the hockey stitch, cite it! You know, like real skeptics…even McIntyre critiques were eventually cut down. But the damning evidence is seeing the same hockey stick over and over again.
dbstealey says:m ” In reality, Michael Mann is a scoundrel.”
Like Geick, one man’s freedom freedom fighter is another’s scoundrel. Opinion is just opinion.
Michael Mann has discovered the missing heat all locked up in a lock box discarded off the Virginia coast. Something left over from the VP Gore era perhaps ?
Gary Pearse claims Canadian ice sheet rebound is not the cause for the “rise” in sea level in the Norfolk area, but offers no alternatives as to why one city along the Atlantic seaboard would have more “rise” than other areas. There must be more subsidence here relative to other places, right? If not from post Ice Age phenomena, then what? Seems like it is fraud to claim the “rise” is from sea level alone.
Without a doubt Dr. Michael Mann is a propagandist, not a scientist. Would he even know of subsidence? Doubtful.
So Dr. Michael Mann, learn something new, I know you read this site… subsidence is the motion of a surface (usually, the Earth’s surface) as it shifts downward relative to a datum such as sea-level and can give the appearance of sea level rise where actual sea level rise does not exist. Good boy!
The last thing that Mann wants is Cuccinelli as governor. The extra powers would allow him to get into the underlying stuff Mann did with the Hockey Stick and whatever else at UVA.
Unfortunately, the polls are not going Cuccinelli’s way.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2013/governor/va/virginia_governor_cuccinelli_vs_mcauliffe-3033.html
So. What distorted picture is in the water this time? Get rid of the text so we can see it!
Pippen Kool says: “… basically said Mann was guilty of scientific fraud. This is even _after_ study after study keeps reaffirming the hockey stick.”
Bummer, but studies performed by Global Warmers rubber stamping Mann’s Hokey Schtick do not carry any weight, especially Scientific.
Regarding Mann’s debunked Hokey Stick chart, Pippen Kool says:
“…the damning evidence is seeing the same hockey stick over and over again.”
Just because you see the same thing is no evidence that it is factual. I see pictures of Santa over and over again.
Mann’s chart cannot be used by the IPCC any more. Why not? Because it has been thoroughly debunked.
And regarding “fake imagery”, see here. That gif shows La Jolla, California more than a hunderd years ago — and now. Explain to us how that is “fake”.
If it is not fake, then the whole ‘sea level’ scare is once again falsified, just like every other alarmist prediction.
Pippen Kool says:
October 8, 2013 at 5:39 pm
It’s not a matter of opinion. Either there are studies supporting the fraudulent HS or there are not. Again I ask, please trot out those you imagine support the chicanery.
If Gleick (whom I assume you meant) is a freedom fighter, then so was that other well known Big Liar Goebbels.
If Pippin the Kook-Aid drinker wants to delude himself into thinking that Mann’s hockey stick was something more than bad science coupled with a willful disregard for contradicting data, have at it. But he’ll have a difficult time peddling that crap here.
u want humour?
8 Oct: HuffingtonPost: My Reaction to the IPCC Climate Report
by Dominique Browning, Author; Editor; Co-founder, Moms Clean Air Force; Blogger, slowlovelife.com
I’ll be blunt. My first response to the new climate report from the world’s top climate scientists was to climb into bed and pull the covers up over my head. Which I did.
While I was there I thought things over, knowing I would have to get out of bed soon enough. It was hard to breathe, anyway. The certainty in the scientific community made me ill: We are on the way to catastrophic warming — and human-made pollution is speeding us there. This is way beyond nature’s eternal cycles of warming and cooling. Climate scientists can read the chemical fingerprints of the carbon we are emitting.
Then the good news struck me. This isn’t God, changing our climate. This is us…
So let’s all do our parts. It is the only way to be able to get out of bed, and breathe easier. It is the only way to feel hope.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dominique-browning/my-reaction-to-the-ipcc-c_b_4065105.html
(2 pages) 8 Oct: Forbes: Larry Bell: Will Cooling Temperature And Economic Climates Finally Take The Wind Out Of Failed Energy Policies?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/10/08/will-cooling-temperature-and-economic-climates-finally-take-the-wind-out-of-failed-energy-policies/
6 Oct: BBC: Spain’s sunshine toll: Row over proposed solar tax
“We will be the only country in the world charging for the use of the sun,” says Jaume Serrasolses.
“Strange things are happening in Spain. This is one of them.”…
But while the government may have been heavily promoting solar energy six years ago, those who followed that lead may now pay dearly for their investment…
“Many of these people are going to lose their houses (that they used as collateral to buy solar panels). They are unable to pay back at the bank. They can’t sell the installations, because the government has made them toxic assets,” Mr Holtrop says…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24272061
I live in Virginia Beach, which borders Norfolk (and we have about 10x more coast/shoreline) My family were Lynnhaven watermen from the late 19th century until the late 20th century. I can tell you with no uncertainty that there has been no 14″ sea level rise there – that would easily put high tide to the bulkhead my great grandfather built some 70+ years ago. I was born in 1964 and from the last time I was spending a lot of time at grandma’s (just a couple of years ago before she passed) I would say high tide is the same place on the shore it has been my whole life (and I worked that inlet for my most of my childhood/teen years – I know the Lynnhaven fairly well). I could maybe believe a couple of inches as that might be hard to discern, but a foot + ???
And Norfolk does not have a flooding problem, it has a drainage problem that my mother assures me goes way back to at least when she was a young girl listening to WGH in the 50’s
dbstealey says: “Just because you see the same thing is no evidence that it is factual.”
Grant says: “that Mann’s hockey stick was something more than bad science”
When some skeptic provides published scientific data that refutes the hockey stick, then maybe you have something to say. But as of now you only have blog entries.
Pippen Kool says:
October 8, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Pippen–we truly enjoy the comedy of trolls, but you seem to have lost your touch.
Not once have you mentioned the drowning polar bears, for example.
Please, more of the good stuff….
This guy is “for hire”… I wonder if he does it upside down too since it did not matter at Tijander…
Pippen Kool,
Check the IPCC AR5 chapter 5, figure 5.8. No current paleoclimate reconstructions are hockey sticks. So the reference is all of them.
Mann used proxies that didn’t match the temperature record. If your proxy can’t match the record now it can’t be a proxy for temperature in the past. He then picked only results that fit his predetermined result and tossed out others for no reason. Then he incorrectly calculated the statistics and to hide the proxy divergence by covering them with temperature records. The Wegman report covered all this. Mann’s defense was that by fixing his statistical analysis he could still get a hockey stick-like graph and two of his assistants tried just that. But simply fixing the statistical error does not fix the bad proxies, cherry picked proxies and divergence problem. Yes, if you take his data you will get a hockey stick, the problem is his data.
The hockey stick can never (and has never) come back because it disputes empirical evidence. There was no LIA or MWP in his analyses. If your proxy data disputes emperical evidence than your proxy is bad not the emperical evidence.
Pippen Kool says:
October 8, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Where have you been since 2003, when the HS was broken into laughable little pieces by Singer, Soon, Baliunas, McIntyre, McKittrick, von Storch, et al?
BTW, Did anyone notice in figure 5.8 of AR5 it shows the MWP warmer than now?
yeah, geran, pippen’s just trolling, and it’s a pretty incoherent troll at that. It looks like he’s trying to work the “appeal to authority” and the supposed Ex Cathedra value of blurbs that have been “published” in all of the Politically Correct news outlets, but he’s not even doing a very good job of that. You’re right, boooooring.
Sad, but the carpet bagger will probably win – in spite of Mann and his stupidity.
Pippen Kool says:
“When some skeptic provides published scientific data that refutes the hockey stick, then maybe you have something to say. But as of now you only have blog entries.”
Wrong as usual, Pippen. Wrong as usual.
Shenanigans24 and others have cited a number of very credible scientists who thoroughly debunked Mann’s hockey stick chart.
Mann hid his data in an ftp file labeled “censored”. It contained data that would have destroyed his hockey stick, so he didn’t use it. He cherry-picked whatever data fabricated his ‘stick, and hid the rest.
Scientific misconduct, no?
Yes.